Are the Lakers trying to get a monopoly on crazy?
by C.A. Clark on Aug 1, 2010 8:37 AM PDT
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PrintWord on the street is that the Lakers are trying to obtain Delonte West. To free up both the roster space and the salary to do so, they would trade Sasha Vujacic. Pound for pound, player for player, this is yet another trade/signing that would increase the talent on the Lakers roster. West is a decent shooter (37% for his career) who struggled last year, but his defensive ability is miles ahead of Sasha, purely based on the fact that he doesn't get called for 7 fouls every time he actually tries to play defense.
But West has some ... um ... baggage. He recently plead guilty to weapons charges because of an incident in which he was caught with three guns while driving his motorcycle. He has battled with depression so severe, it caused him to miss time last season. And then there's the oh so juicy, couldn't possibly be true, rumor surrounding West and LeBron James' mother as a romantic item. Even when talking about his KFC freestyle, it's clear West is one strange dude.
The Lakers are no strangers to crazy wing players. They already have the NBA player most synonymous with crazy in Ron Artest. They just signed a player in Matt Barnes who Kobe stated "anybody crazy enough to go at me is crazy enough to play for me". Lamar Odom married the Khloe Kardashian, so you can't say he's 100% right in the head. And Phil Jackson has a long history of turning head cases into diamonds during his tenure (see Rodman, Dennis).
But having all three of these guys on one team sounds ... *looks up thesaurus* insane. The entertainment element of our team has the chance to be off the charts, but the stability has to decrease, right? Besides, Phil Jackson is likely only coaching one more year, is his successor going to have the gravitas to know how to handle all of these guys?
Then again, maybe all of these moves are meant to strike fear in the hearts of our opponents. After all, with West, Artest, and Barnes on the same team, you'd legitimately have no idea what these guys might do.
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I actually thought Sasha played really well at the end of the season
But I don’t think we need another crazy.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
Not to mention
it’s his contract year. Wonderful things might be bound to happen.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
Isn’t crazy just too harsh a term? Or it should be taken with a grain of salt, tongue-and-cheek?
Plus, I hate to call Laker players that, since I’m rooting for them.
West is decent (but yet another PG, when we our team hasn’t yet sort this situation), but I like Vujacic.
Farlan in the house
sup man?
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
West has bipolar disorder.
Crazy is an insensitive term, true, but not entirely incorrect.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Aug 5, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Delonte West is the pure definition of crazy
He has basically been deduced as being bipolar with severe depression. The guy took assault rifles on the bike of a motorcycle and crossed state lines while he was already on parole. The Lakers do not need someone who thinks he is the terminator sent back in time to destroy some imaginary demon that lives inside his head….. Ron Artest already killed that demon anyways and is good enough of a player that no one cares how crazy he is…
Just to clear things up a bit, people with bipolar disorder or a diagnosis of depression are not crazy.
Delonte West is the pure definition of crazy
He’s done some crazy shit, not to mention stupid, but by definition he is not crazy.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
is that photo a Catch-22 reference?
cool beans
"Lebron has the ball, dribbles down the court, splitting the Lakers defenders with 5 seconds left on the clock with the game on the line in the 2011 NBA Finals Game 7! Lebron pulls up from deep, in Kobe's face and drains the three pointer! HEAT WIN HEAT WIN!!! 89-88!!!!!
...BEEP BEEP BEEP...BEEP BEEP BEEP...
Then Lebron's alarm goes off and he wakes up and goes downstairs to eat a delicious breakfast made by his mom and Delonte West."
Well In my book people who roll around like it's the Zombie Apocalypse are kinda crazy
Riding around on a three-wheeled motorbike with 2 handguns, a shotgun in a guitar case slung over his back, and a machete while all the while cutting off a cop is not normal behavior. He may not be textbook “crazy” but he’s certainly beyond eccentric.
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Aug 1, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that i'm saying bi-polar disorder/depression = crazy
i know a girl who’s manic depressive and know more than a few people who take anti depressants and they don’t engage in behavior anyone would call crazy
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Aug 1, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, he's done some stupid, crazy shit, but he is not crazy.
Tyreke Evans was just stopped for driving 120 MPH. That’s crazy but he is not crazy. Just because he hasn’t been diagnosed as bipolar or with depression, that’s one of the stupidest things you can do.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
Gotta say, I disagree with you SoCalGal
Regardless of what the diagnosis is for Delonte West, he is flat-out crazy in the truest sense of the word.
As the well-known anecdote above goes, someone who behaves like that… well, suffice to say that I’d want them near the basketball team that I know and love.
Ron’s type of crazy means that when he goes off, he’d be a possibility of hitting someone upside the head.
Barnes? He’d say some really dumb stuff.
But West? I despair of what he might be capable of doing.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
much better a guitar in a guitar case
agreed—guys who carry guns around in public eventually create a situation in which they are used. We don’t need this, on the court or off.
True.
Psychosis and schizophrenia are the two disorders most commonly referred to as ‘crazy’, but West still has some very serious issues.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Aug 5, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not even going to take this comment seriously.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
You could take it seriously, but tackle it from a different perspective...
Take into account what he said “..much better than this clown” (not an attack on his basketball abilities) …that could’ve meant as far as causing instability and noise in the locker room. Sasha isn’t an amazing ball player, but he has a sweet stroke that as we all know is dependent on his confidence level and also has irritating defense (for both teams). He’s like a Nat, not very big, not very strong, pesky, and fun to watch run into a wall.
One of the main reasons the Lakers didn’t ten-peat through the last decade is locker room cancers. Forming a professional team with the possibility of this many personalities is like playing Russian Roulette while juggling torches on one foot. How many volatile personalities can you have in the same room before they blow up? In this sense, Vujacic is light-years better than West because you know what you’re going to get from him, a submissive attitude based on a respect for the veterans on the team.
Conversely , West is a guy who in the real world doesn’t care much for obvious limitations based on VERY recent history. Reading the story, the guy took a shotgun with over a hundred rounds TO court. There’s crazy and then there’s stupid (Guess which category he falls under?). What makes you think he’s going to be anymore stable with 20,000 eyes on him? Call me provincial, but I like the security of knowing a guy isn’t going to ride around with a bowie knife, some handguns, and a shotgun just for the fun of it.
Kobe is like constantly in Kill Mode - Ron Artest
Yeah, I'm with you on this one.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
you should
We won’t see Sasha arrested, and Delonte has upsides, but the risk of locker room implosions do run deep.
And let me ask you this: why is the defending champs taking needless risks?
We won, let the other contenders take risks to catch us.
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
by Mike1204 on Aug 1, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is this a risk?
We have the strongest locker room personalities and hierarchy outside of Boston and San Antonio. West would be coming in for the minimum to assume a backup role, and would have practically no pull on an already highly structured locker room. Bipolar doesn’t mean he’s going to pull an Arenas every time he comes to the arena and put guns in front of Kobe’s locker room. That’s a ridiculous notion.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Why?
Why is it a ridiculous notion, given the guy has a tendency to be a little bit weird around firearms?
There seems to be some confusion because someone said he was diagnosed as bi-polar with severe depression.
I’m not focusing on what the diagnosis was, merely on his behavior, and what he’s done.
The issues West’s had with guns are no laughing matter.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Except that his behavior only occured before his diagnosis
After he was put on medication, we never heard a peep out of Cleveland concerning him because it had become a non-issue. Given that, I find it far more likely he got in under control (considering he was able to play the rest of the season) rather than simmering over whether he could go joyriding with guns again.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
locker room hierarchy
assumes this guy has the maturity, professionalism and common sense to understand and accept his role. West doesn’t seem to exactly posses those traits in abundance…High risk can equal high reward, but in this case, we don’t DESPERATELY need this guy. I think he’s more potentially trouble than he’s worth…
What problems has he caused in the Cleveland locker room?
When did he ever pull an Arenas stunt? When did anyone complain that he was brooding in a corner away from all his teammates? There is practically nothing to indicate that he didn’t get the problem under control after he started getting medication. People are extrapolating problems out of nothing.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Which has nothing to do with his play on the court.
And the locker room was not disrupted by any of that stuff.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
What kind of locker room implosions happened in Cleveland because of Delonte West?
None, so why would he all of a sudden disrupt our locker room?
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
LOL well there is that whole LeBron left Cleveland thing
even though it is just a rumor you could say that the Delonte/Gloria thing may have had an impact on the Cavs predicament
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Aug 1, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL, if LeBron left Cleveland because of a rumor, it looks like he's the one who's crazy.
Delonte did not blow up that locker room and that rumor had nothing to do with LeBron leaving the Cavs.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
SCG, weren't you the one who said she had inside info
..on the substance of that rumor? (correct me if I’m wrong)
I don't rate Sasha too highly.
Above Shannon, but still not high. But nor do I relate Delonte that highly. I’m curious, what do you see in him? Wasn’t his best season like 12/4/3, whilst starting?
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Aug 5, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahah
Delonte is a good PG, unless we say Fisher will only play major minutes in the playoff, Delonte is not needed… Would he come along side Blake? Or are the Lakers fascinated by the thought of three PGs sharing time like many big teams?
I really don’t see him as someone who can step-up as SG.
It seems there is some confusion about West & Vujacic and Brown. The Lakers tried to trade Vujacic to get Delonte to waive him for 500000, that’s how they would have saved 10m dollars! The key is Shannon coming back, which is not sure as the Knicks or even Cavs could give him the possibility to have a lot more minutes (no more PG or SF minutes for him this year with the Lakers summer recruitment)… Taking whatever Kobe leaves may not be that attractive.
Lakers could wait for Delonte to be waived to sign him if really there is some interest.
But Vujacic costs 11m theoretically with luxury tax, so really, the Lakers will try to ship him anyway, unless no SG can join us to replace Brown, if he leaves…
This is perhaps one of the last chapters of a crazy summer, I hope Mitch gets the best solution for the team as he has done over the past two years (although he didn’t manage to ship Walton a year ago).
Now I just want to see Ebanks and Caracter signed.
by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 1, 2010 9:39 AM PDT reply actions
I really don’t see him as someone who can step-up as SG.
Except that SG is his position.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
He'll need a shrink to decide what G he can play at.
And he’ll definetely need a shrink like Artest’s, it’s abou time he sorts himself out.
The Lakers could be his last chance to use his intensity to contribute and make an impact.
Actually, he needs to be waived or traded for, but don’t want to lose Brown.
by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 1, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Normally, yes
In the triangle, he could be slated at the point, although yes, he’s an effective defender at either guard spot.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
West can play either guard position
And is a pretty solid defender at both. From a purely basketball perspective, he’s a great fit in the triangle.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I made up a quick scouting report on him in another thread.
Here it is.
Positives:
-solid 3 point shooter, excellent from mid range
-defends and rebounds much bigger than his size
-good ballhandling that could help in the Triangle
-has his moments of taking over a game with his scoring
-incredibly quick
Negatives:
-inconsistent with his flashes of greatness but will usually give a decent performance
-injury prone
-has a tendency to sleep with his teammates’ mothers
-mentally unstable; could cause some locker room problems
-when he’s having an off night shooting, he can’t hit anything
I think he would really improve the Lakers. He’s a monster defensively. I’ve seen him defend players that are MUCH bigger than him. He can also run the offense or play SG.
Also, he could help solve that problem with guarding quick 1’s when needed.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Also, he could help solve that problem with guarding quick 1’s when needed.
That might be the top reason if our FO really have interest in acquiring him.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
Why not, he can't do much harm with a small contract as 5th G
But I wouldn’t take him instead Brown.
by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 1, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He's way, way better than Brown
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Brown won’t have bahaviour issue and won’t get injured… Maybe having both… I mean we should realy give Kobe some time off at times. He’s against it, but now at this crucial age in his career (he ain’t old yet!) it would be good to maintain his physical abilities rather than endanger them with huge minutes in all games.
We need scorers too, and Brown can keep us scoring even in important moments.
by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Aug 1, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except Brown is an awful offensive player when he's not dunking
He’s never going to sustain our offense at “important” moments — last year bore that out. Solely from a talent/skill perspective, West completely outclasses Brown. It’s not close.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
What makes you say that?
In 2009-2010, Brown played more games.
Both played about the same minutes per game.
Both had similar stats across the board – FG%, 3PT%, FT%, Rebounds, and Pts per Game.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Nearly all per game statistics other than shooting percentages
Are essentially useless in player comparison. In any case, even in a down year by his career norms, West shot better from the field (44.5 FG% to Brown’s 42.7%) and from three while sporting a far higher assist ratio (25.0 to Brown’s 13.2). As mentioned, West’s career norms more or less indicate that this year was a blip — his career 3P% is 37.3% and his overall percentages are likely to increase if he operates in an offense in which he doesn’t have to sit and wait for LeBron to deign to throw him the ball or otherwise create off the dribble when LeBron isn’t considering that the former is near useless when he’s not handling it.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
West is a backup PG
Shannon is primarily a backup SG, so saying West has more assists isn’t saying much.
Shannon also had fewer TOs per game. Which is to be expected.
Given the systems each team ran, I’d expect the Cavs backup PG to average a couple more assists per game than the Lakers backup SG.
What the Lakers need is a good 3PT shooter off the bench.
And how convenient that you pick the one stat that matters, 3PT%, and say you can ignore West’s last year because in your opinion, he had a down year in that one stat.
You also make a lot of assumptions in how he will play in the triangle versus a more traditional PG role which is what he’s played in the past.. And you state he will play well in the triangle as though it is fact, which it is not.
Jordan Farmar has a lot of talent, but never really fit in the triangle, thus he’s gone.
If everyone stays healthy, the Lakers need a good 3PT shooter off the bench more than anything else at this point.
Blake is clearly the backup PG.
Shannon knows the system, does not have the off court problems, and shoots about the same from 3.
Each player has their strengths defending, depending on the matchup.
Shannon defends stronger players better, while West is better defending smaller quicker players.
Overall, I’ll take Shannon.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Well, you seem determined to misconstrue my points
West is a backup PG. Shannon is primarily a backup SG, so saying West has more assists isn’t saying much. Shannon also had fewer TOs per game. Which is to be expected.
Given the systems each team ran, I’d expect the Cavs backup PG to average a couple more assists per game than the Lakers backup SG.
West played both guard positions in Cleveland and is perfectly capable of playing and guarding both positions, although he was slated at the two guard more often than not. Saying he was Cleveland’s backup point is highly inaccurate. In any case, systems don’t compensate for what is obvious — West is a much better playmaker than Brown, and given the utter lack of players capable of doing so past Kobe and (very rarely) Odom, this is definitely a positive thing.
What the Lakers need is a good 3PT shooter off the bench.
And how convenient that you pick the one stat that matters, 3PT%, and say you can ignore West’s last year because in your opinion, he had a down year in that one stat.
And, somehow, Brown’s 32.8% from three is superior to the fact that West is, by his career numbers, a much better shooter? If I gave you player A and player B and told you that both had the same 3P% last year but player A had a much higher career 3P%, who would you believe was the better shooter? I can’t possibly see how you could make an argument that Brown is a better or even an equal shooter to West.
You also make a lot of assumptions in how he will play in the triangle versus a more traditional PG role which is what he’s played in the past.. And you state he will play well in the triangle as though it is fact, which it is not.
He’s not a traditional point for the umpteenth time. He played the off-guard more often than not in Cleveland, where nearly all of the major ball-handling responsibilities were assumed by LeBron and a lot of his movement was off the ball, which is, go figure, a relevant skill in the triangle. How any of this conflicts with his role of throwing entry passes, setting up on the wing for an open three, or cutting to the basket eludes me.
Jordan Farmar has a lot of talent, but never really fit in the triangle, thus he’s gone.
Straw man. Farmar was a primarily pick-and-roll point guard best suited for operating off dribble drives. West’s work in Cleveland came largely on working off said dribble drives from LeBron. Trying to somehow conflate the two is a rather illogical argument.
If everyone stays healthy, the Lakers need a good 3PT shooter off the bench more than anything else at this point.
And West shoots better, defends better, is a better playmaker, has a higher basketball IQ, and is overall, just a better player.
Blake is clearly the backup PG.
Nice and irrelevant.
Shannon knows the system, does not have the off court problems, and shoots about the same from 3.
Brown is downright awful at the triangle and has trouble with the concept of throwing an entry pass, arguably the most elementary aspect of the triangle. Add that to the fact that he’s an inferior shooter, and West fits much better.
Each player has their strengths defending, depending on the matchup.
Shannon defends stronger players better, while West is better defending smaller quicker players.
West is very capable of defending larger players courtesy of his athleticism and better defensive technique, which he did frequently in Cleveland very successfully. Brown gets either burned by faster players or frequently overpowered by larger players. West can guard practically the same players Brown is matched against and much more.
Overall, I’ll take Shannon.
Overall, West is by far the better player and that’s fairly evident here.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Aug 4, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do you want someone who can take over a game at times or someone who's either dunking or going WAKI?
Delonte is a fantastic role player. As long as they keep him away from Kobe’s mom it would work fine.
He has mental problems at the beginning of last year and missed some games but they got him on medicine and he was fine for the rest of the time. Keep in mind that the gun incident happened before he got his medicine.
I can’t believe you would turn down such great talent just because he has a treatable problem mentally.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
You mean like almost every other team will "pass" on him.....
I can’t believe you would turn down such great talent just because he has a treatable problem mentally.
I get it. You like him.
Others don’t. It’s called an opinion. You and Ben R. must get along well.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
And we can't discuss the substance of those opinions?
Seems you care more about who is bringing the opinions forward rather than what they are.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Exactly.
I’m arguing my point. It’s a discussion. Nothing bothers me more than someone who tries to end a discussion by basically saying, “I’m not going to budge no matter how many good points anyone raises. It’s my opinion.”
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
UPS can take over a game sometimes
when he’s hitting he really can give the lakers a big lift. and he also brings the crowd to it’s feet when he does his thing. no one seems to mind shannon going waki when he’s hittin and waking the crowd up. i just like shannon because of the familiarity and the excitement he can bring to the game. which is exactly what i’m looking for in a bench guy.
by lakers are trouble on Aug 2, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem is that he often does far more harm than good
Sure, it’s great when he’s hitting long stepback jumpers or getting huge dunks in transition, but those moments are few and far between as compared to his ill-timed misses on the aforementioned jumpers, his inability to make an entry pass, and general inability to run the triangle correctly. This isn’t to say that he has a role — he does and really can’t go anywhere but up — but that West is simply a far better player on all accounts, especially defensively.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
In 2009-2010
their stat line is very similar.
Their contributions were about equal.
There is nothing to conclude that West is way or way, way better.
West seems to be the better PG, but Shannon is mainly a SG.
Either way, they shoot about the same.
And since the Lakers signed Blake, they need a SG more than a PG.
With the money available, the Lakers are not going to get a great shooter, especially one who can come in cold and hit 3’s.
Shannon’s about the best the Lakers can get at this point.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
West can play either guard position
And guards both very well because he uses his athleticism and lateral movement well to stay in front of players while Brown frequently makes mistakes on that end, particularly his inability to recognize screens. If you’ll indulge the opposing PER numbers, West allowed a 12.9 PER production from opposing PGs and 15.4 from SGs (which is oddly flipped to 18.9 and 14.2 respectively during ‘08-’09; regardless, it indicates his defensive versatility). Meanwhile, Brown allowed a huge 23.9 PER disparity from opposing PGs while allowing 15.7 from SGs. Given that Brown was swapped between the two guard positions last year, West allows for a lot more versatility in that regard considering that he can guard both of them.
Past that, West has far better handles than Brown, is a better playmaker, and per his career averages, a better shooter and about Brown’s equal on shots around the basket.
Past that, West has better handles, is a better playmaker,
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
So the PER against SGs
is about the same.
So you agree with me that they are about equal as SGs.
Which is what the Lakers need.
The PG minutes will be split between Fisher and Blake.
As far as Shannon or West coming off the bench as SG, they are close offensively and defensively.
Defensively, each will have advantages, depending on the matchup.
But Shannon stays healthier and plays more games and doesn’t have off-court issues.
West is more likely to get injured and miss games. And has serious off-court issues.
The obvious choice to me is Shannon.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Err, no
Nice job cherry picking my points and attempting to misconstrue them. Brown has absolutely no defensive advantage over West whatsoever, who is a much smarter defender and uses his athleticism much better to stay in front of his man rather than Brown’s heavily inconsistent and often downright moronic (cue his utter inability to recognize screens) defense. The PER numbers were there to indicate West’s defensive versatility, which is always a positive thing to have given the variety of defensive assignments West is capable of taking (which are also, not as you are attempting to indicate, constrained by position). Specifically, West also is much more capable than Fisher and Blake on stopping faster, penetrating guards that were the bane of the Lakers’ defense in previous years, and something this team has needed for quite some time.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
lol
-has a tendency to sleep with his teammates’ mothers
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Ammo should be resigned!
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
I knew almost nothing about him
other than he played on the Cavs and that he had severe depression. The depression thing can really hamper a player and a team if strikes at the wrong time, like right before the finals.
It sounds like he’s got some skills, but I’m kinda hoping they don’t plan on keeping him. Not with Artest and Barnes already on the team.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
Negatives - has a tendency to sleep with his teammates’ mothers
I like how you slipped that in.
[That’s what she said?]
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on Aug 3, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd take Delonte anytime
as long as we still have Shannon or Sasha (not both) for insurance in case Delonte’s issues become detrimental to our team.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
people say artest and barnes are crazy.
but the thing is, they’re crazy as in crazy good. crazy competitive. crazy in a good sort of way as far as basketball. delonte west is crazy as in cRaZy! like really crazy for reals. thanks but no thanks.
by lakers are trouble on Aug 1, 2010 10:27 AM PDT reply actions
It's exactly 50-50 now.
VOTE DELONTE!
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
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Rather we stay away
from the bipolar – manic depressive!
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Delonte is garbage
trade for him and then waive him. We don’t need him.
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Omg noooooooooooo
Can’t do it. I don’t care if he’s halfway decent. This is where I draw the line if I’m gm.
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by _logan_ on Aug 1, 2010 11:12 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Hey, bluexfalcon...
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omg. lebron let you take a pic of his hand? you lucky bastard!
by lakers are trouble on Aug 2, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LeBron "No Rings" James
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
if that was really LeBron's hand
only the middle finger would be extended and pointed in the direction of Cleveland.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
i think he's pointing all five fingers at cleveland
cause you you, 5 is more than 1
by lakers are trouble on Aug 3, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
agree
I voted in the affirmative. The primary issue regarding Delonte (i.e. locker room craziness) is a possibility that HASN’T HAPPENED yet, even as a Cavaliers player. So the upside outweighs the cons.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
Bipolar disorder is controllable
So long as he’s taking his medication and is in a positive environment. It’s not necessarily a crippling condition, as indicated by the fact that he played 60 games last year even after missing time early in the year to get medication and counseling.
As for his on-court merits, there frankly isn’t a better guard on the market, and you could likely make an argument that West would be the second-best guard in our backcourt behind Kobe if he was signed. If we’re signing him for the minimum, I see this as a pretty straightforward low risk, high reward move.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Really?
Maybe if I’d seen him play more, but I pay attention to the Lakers, so I don’t know how good he is.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
I'm pretty sure shot selection is controllable as well...
The medication for that is cheaper too, you bench him and the offense instantly feels better. Bipolar disorder is controllable for a low-key lifestyle, but if this guy couldn’t handle the pressure of playing 82 games in Cleveland, what makes you think he’s going to survive out here? We’re the same fan base that OBLITERATED Pau effin Gasol for having a rough month while coming back from injury. You know that guy that is constantly being mentioned as the Lakers true (laughs) MVP? You must have thick skin to be a Laker and I don’t think the west coast glitz and glamor constitute a “positive environment.”
Kobe is like constantly in Kill Mode - Ron Artest
After he returned from treatment
He played basically the rest of the season besides some time he took off for injury. He essentially became a non-issue after the start of the year. In any case, you’re heavily confusing fan perception with media coverage. Players often don’t give a rat’s ass about the former. The latter can be managed, especially as West would be a marginal player, not a star in the spotlight like Gasol, who wasn’t being grilled as hard as you’re portraying it as. This isn’t New York — players are covered by virtue of being on the Lakers, but they’re not being crucified frequently.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
If it was controllable, why did he get arrested by the NJ state police?
Oh, that’s right, he cut off a cop car, got pulled over, and that’s where all the terminator jokes come in.
There is no need to take a risk on him when we have a perfectly serviceable SG in Sasha. Again, we’re the defending champions, we don’t take risks. We let our competitors take risks because they have to catch up to us, not the other way around.
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by Mike1204 on Aug 1, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sasha is getting shopped
That’s the only reason we’re having this conversation. In any case, his incident with the police occurred only before he was diagnosed with bipolar, after which it was largely controlled after he received medication and treatment. The condition does not make him an uncontrollable nut like you’re portraying him as. The “risk” we’d also assume from this is about nothing — if we’re signing him, it’s for the minimum. This barely registers as compared to say the Artest signing, which was putting a volatile unknown at one of our key positions for the long-term. This is a backup guard whom we can waive at will. And to boot, he’d be more or less the second best guard on the roster; this is a fairly clear-cut low risk, high reward scenario.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Aug 1, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I seem to recall you saying that sasha is getting shopped because of financial reasons
But I don’t think Delonte is THAT much better than he is, at least not enough to warrant the risk. And it’s not just a low-risk/cost. You’d be giving up Sasha, whom I think has immense potential. So stop saying that we’re just throwing chump change for this. If Delonte is here, and cut, we’d end up with no backup SG (Barnes maybe, but I think he is a natural SF)
And that was before all the terminator jokes. Even if he wasn’t arrested, I would not be convinced this would be a good idea. Add in those baggages, and you have a solid no from me.
PS: Is it just me, or have you and I been disagreeing a lot lately?
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Vujacic isn't close to West's level
West can guard either guard position adeptly, is much more athletic, and has a much more varied offensive arsenal than simply spotting up for the three. Especially in the triangle, West could play either the one or two guard, so he will essentially take Brown’s role on the team.
In any case, we’re not trading Vujacic for West; that ship has more or less sailed and never was an actual possibility. This whole scenario revolves around Minny waiving West and us signing him for the minimum, which is a very low risk situation. In any case, by Vujacic being “shopped,” I was referring to Kupchak trying to dump him to a team with cap space, not for anything else. We’re not giving up Vujacic for West, the former is going to be shopped for financial purposes regardless of what occurs.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
If that's so...
Why has no other team done this?
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
would you rather have to control bipolar disorder
or not have to deal with it at all?
If you wrong us, shall we not revenge? - William Shakespeare
If those folks in Cleveland could handle Delonte's issues with no problem, which they did to their great credit, why wouldn't the Lakers be able to?
If they take him on, they know what they’re dealing with. But as someone pointed out, if this rumor is out, it probably isn’t going to happen.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
just wanna raise this idea
I strongly believe West would have been waived by the Lakers in case Sasha got traded to Cavs (before the Sessions deal) with the interest shown by Mitch in retaining Shannon as evidence.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
That would have been solely for the financial savings
And has no bearing whatsoever on his basketball talents. This whole discussion revolves around the scenario in which West is waived by Minny (and he almost certainly will be) and we sign him for the minimum.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
yep I know
I already threw some of my opinions up there.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
No.
I’m solidly in the camp of say, “No,” to Delonte West.
I think his off-court baggage will outweigh any on-court advantage he’d bring to the team. The city of LA has waaay too many distractions and I’m not sure if at this time in his life, where he’s just not mentality stable enough to make good decisions, that’d he be worth the trouble bringing into the team. Dude just really needs a year away from the NBA to recollect himself, get his head right, maybe see a shrink, get his medication and sort out his priorities.
But if he is acquired by the Lakers, Ron should definitely recommend his psychiatrist to Delonte.
On the last note though, I think this is just a rumor. the Lakers front office is usually really good at keeping their trade/free agent plans a secret and so if this “Lakers almost getting West” story was “leaked,” then it probably isn’t true.
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by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 1, 2010 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1, for being the voice of reason
and not getting caught up in this fantasy ball non-sense that 316 of my Laker compatriots are currently caught in…
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by Mike1204 on Aug 1, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sense?
It doesn’t make sense to throw away someone who is familiar with the system, who hasn’t been diagnosed with bipolar, and plays hard (albeit sometimes too hard) defense for a crap shoot.
Yeah, West has upsides, but he is a crap shoot. I don’t know if he’ll implode. And you can’t possibly guarantee me that. No matter what, there is a risk. And I ask again, why is the Los Angeles Lakers, who have ruled the NBA for the past 2 years, taking needless risks? We’re the champion until somebody knocks us off the perch, people take risks to catch us, not the other way around.
I vote no. And if I could, I’d vote no 1000 times.
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by Mike1204 on Aug 2, 2010 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
it would make sense if you were paying the payroll.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
This is not Vujacic for West
Again, Vujacic is being shopped regardless of whatever occurs here, whether that’s signing Brown or West. Whatever basketball positives Vujacic brings to the table here are irrelevant as compared to the financial savings Buss gets out of it.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I agree
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
please oh please oh please let this happen
I want you guys to start showering D West with cheers, not jeers. He needs a team that will cherish and look after him, and help him win a championship…and you guys can do that. He deserves it after everything he’s done for us.
I'm a diehard Cavs fan, proud to say I never owned a LeBron jersey.
I'm sure Lakers Nation will embrace him no matter what disorder he has
Hell, we embraced Ammo with whole all our hearts.
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LA is not the place to play if you have a fragile psyche. If he doesn’t bring it on the court, he is gonna get showered with boo’s and thundersticks lol.
He is not a good fit.
A player who is better than all our guards except Kobe
Is going to struggle to produce? In a system he would fit snugly into?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
We assume
he’d fit snugly into. Always have to have the assume in there. We haven’t seen him in any other offense, but the Decider’s so who knows how big the learning curve is.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
doesn't this guy have some legal issues with guns right now?
hell no to delonte. we don’t need a gilbert arenas on this team.
oh but that to rest
i just hate when people act as if they have never done anything wrong… guy made some mistake and is going through the legal means to settle it in backdoors, we should look at how he is in locker room and how he is in basketball court… Did we all wanted Kobe out of LA when he was going through his trial?
no, it's not that
i just don’t think we need any problems in the locker room.
by lakerlover2by4 on Aug 1, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
um…. I’m enthused at all about picking up Delonte…
I’m big on loyalty, and Sasha is one of the few guys on our roster that has been on the Lakers for a long long time. If we were picking up someone who could make a huge impact next season and well into the future, then go ahead. But Delonte West is only a slight upgrade, and given all his issues, I don’t think those upgrades are really worth it.
by robi s on Aug 1, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
as a suns fan
I want to see this happen…
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
Of course he does, he also wants the Miami heat to pick up Adam Morrison and start him. =)
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Woah, that would ensure an eleven peat... I'm not sure we want to give up Ammo.
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It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Ammo- 2 RINGS
LeBron- 0 RINGS
Never get tired of pointing that out.
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by nyyrocks29 on Aug 1, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
as shaqfor3 said
ammo – 2 rings
lebron + wade + bosh – 1 ring
by lakers are trouble on Aug 2, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hey
Now that’s a great idea
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
no
but i did say “man the lakers got Barnes, I sure wish he was a sun…oh wait, he was, and we let him walk for peanuts…shit,,,,,,I’m done with the NBA”
"I’ve been in the league 14 years and I don’t think I’ve been called for a carry yet. It’s news to me," "I’ve never heard anyone complain about me carrying the ball. The best coach in the league Gregg Popovich didn’t have a problem with it last week."
I haven't watched him play enough times to make any comments as to his game...
…so I don’t have any opinion about how well Delonte would fit in to the triangle and all that. If the decision is based solely on wild Internet rumors and potential fan-created t-shirts, that may or may not refer to his KFC freestyle, riding his motorcycle while carrying three shotguns in a guitar case “El Mariachi”-style, or banging LeBron’s mom, than by all means sign him. The Delonte West t-shirt things has already become somewhat of a cottage industry. Here are some existing Delonte t-shirts:
1.) I am not sure what the doughnut thing is reference to, http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Phenomenal-Swag-Delonte-West-s-Donuts-t-shirt?urn=nba-176240
2.) The KFC freestyle: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Phenomenal-Swag-Delonte-West-s-KFC-shirt?urn=nba-180994
3.) Gloria James: http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/the-anti-lebron-t-shirt-business-is-really-booming-this-time-of-year/
4.) More Gloria James: http://www.terezowens.com/delonte-west-mofo-t-shirts/
Ok, so the donut thing...
… is in reference to a segment he did for the Jim Rome TV show about rookie hazing in which he tell JJ Hickson he better bring doughnuts to practice. You can see it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ufrcQlKt4
This shirt is now my all-time personal favorite diss shirt:
LOL!
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by Mike1204 on Aug 2, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
I'd like to the Lakers get a bit nastier.
I’m OK with Delonte. If Brown skips town, I’d like to see us trade Sasha for Nocioni and a draft pick.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Not sure Buss wants to take on any salary at this juncture
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Two championships away from overtaking the Celtics
I’d bet Buss ponies up and gives Kupchak carte blanche to assemble the best team he can, just so long as their contracts don’t extend past Kobe’s.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
Well, considering that Vujacic is being shopped along with a first rounder
I get the feeling that marginal salary increases aren’t his thing. If he is given a completely no-brainer deal that will greatly improve the team at the cost of adding future payroll then I’d imagine he’d sign off on a transaction like that, but otherwise, he’s going to try to keep a lid on costs.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
The guy is a clown
and completely freaking insane. But he’s a good player and would make the Lakers a better team. I think he also would make them able to resign Shannon Brown if Sasha and his enormous contract are gone.
West+Shannon>Sasha? Hell yes, so I’d definitely do it.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot"-Kobe Bryant
Keep the legacy alive
Rumor has it that Jerry West is Delonte’s real father. The Lakers are willing to take this chance to keep the West legacy within the Laker family.
If this is true, I’m all for The Logo 2.0 in 2010!
by Hepcat77 on Aug 1, 2010 3:24 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
ughhhhh
I dont know why I took a nap during the daytime. I always feel like shit after I wake up.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
welcome to the club!!!
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this poll needs two parts
first poll – do you want the lakers to sign west
second poll – are you a lakers fan
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NO NO NO Delonte
too much baggage
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Aug 1, 2010 7:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ebanks and Caracter will take care of the baggage
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by domz on Aug 1, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
lol
Ebanks: “I’ll grab the shotguns, you get the knives.”
Caracter: “I always get the knives! I want to carry the shotguns this time.”
Ebanks: “Who was drafted first?”
Caracter: “grumble”
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by deadmuse on Aug 1, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
double the lol!
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
How would we actually dump Sasha though?
realistically is it possible? would any other teams be willing to take him?
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
that's why the Delonte-Sasha trade has possibilities
no other involving Sasha is realistic enough
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
Why do these people keep bringing up guns?
If you want to bring up serious medical conditions, then that’s one thing. But i’m tired of listening to the dumbing down of America through establishment means like media, public schools, television, etc.
Guns=Bad. Seriously, give me a break from the nonsense.
Wait... I'm not sure what you're saying...
Was that last sentence anti/pro-guns?
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
I'm thinking you're all for gun proliferation which is fine
but a man speeding with an unregistered shotgun on his back hidden in a guitar case doesn’t exactly scream, I’m protecting myself.
He wasn’t even pulled over for gun possession, he was pulled over for speeding in which they noticed unregistered guns strapped to his back and inside the guitar case. Its more about the fact that he was speeding down the highway, with unregistered, to an undisclosed location, with bipolar disorder.
No one here is even saying he’s bad for having the guns, its more of the situation in which he was found to have them.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
Wow, Delonte had us split almost to the middle
See, even talking about him makes us bipolar…sheesh…
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id rather have sasha than delonte
sasha is the lesser of two evils. i wouldnt even trust delonte
for the love of basketball dont let him come here
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by Czheck on Aug 2, 2010 4:33 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Just to be fair...
It’d be hard for anyone to turn down a fine piece of ass like that.
by shoang1993 on Aug 2, 2010 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If for no other reason...
I’d love to have the flexibility…. during a hard fought playoff battle with Miami…. to have someone on the roster, that could lean into Lebron’s ear during a free throw attempt and whisper….
Yo mama’s so hot…..(insert favorite yo mama joke here).
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west for sasha
if it is going to improve the team then I will say yes. the lakers needs all the improment they can get as we all know ather teams as improved as well. but if the distruction would be too much to bare I would say no. They want to save money good and get a player who will likely play all the time while sasha except 2 years ago has been doing very little. In that case I would rather favor taking the chance. I hope it will work with phil there they can always make other adjusment after phil departure. I will definately say yes.
the lakers are already improved
we’ve already address our biggest needs this offeseason, backup pg and big man (blake, ratliff, caracter). the lakers are the defending champs and need only minor tweaks. and we are already taking a chance with matt barnes. this team is stacked and we don’t need to take any more chances. i don’t see any weak spots on this roster.
by lakers are trouble on Aug 2, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, terrible morning for me
woke up to see that the pro-Delonte faction has gotten an upper hand on the polls.
but in all seriousness, if we’re talking about it, it won’t happen. Mitch is a GM Ninja, and us Laker fans only get to talk about a trade/transaction after it’s closed. I’m betting Mitch is just letting it out to force Shannon to cave sooner so he can start planning his summer vacation to Tahiti or something…
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The Wolves waived West
Make the move Mitch, you GM Ninja.
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link didnt work. trying again.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
wtf?
not working.
here. copy and paste. http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6359
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
In short:
Yes, it would seem that way. I don’t know much about his on-court play and pretty much only know about West due to his antics off the court so I can’t really say if this would be a good or bad move.
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