Caracter drawing interest from Euro, Israeli teams
by deadmuse on Jul 30, 2010 7:06 AM PDT
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The Nuggets and Knicks can't sign him unless the Lakers cut him or trade him which is not likely, but Caracter can sign with a non-NBA team. The Lakers would retain his rights in that case. He'd certainly get a ton more playing experience as a starter than he would as a rookie riding the pine in LA, but the trade-off is we would lose a valuable year of developing him under our system and the mutual benefit he and the Laker bigs would get by competing in practice.
This report has been "de-coded" as follows...
Now it doesn’t take Holmesian-level logic capacity to deduce the identities of at least two of the three unnamed (presumably) Euroleague teams in the running to bid for Caracter’s services: Clearly the "Israeli club" is Maccabi Tel Aviv – presuming Santa Claus hasn’t recently dumped an early Xmas gift of a few million on Galil/Gilboa – and one of those "two Italian teams" is certainly the American player-loving Virtus Roma. The logical assumption would be to pencil in Montepaschi Siena as the second Italia squad. (Source)
Much of the time-table seems to rest on payroll obligations: the signing of Brown, Ebanks, and Caracter pending the fate of Sasha.
European teams have been calling about Derrick Carcater and word is he was offered a multi-year, multi-million dollar offer from Maccabi Tel Aviv. So the Lakers are on the clock to get these deals done before they lose these players to other situations. All three, Brown, Carcater and Ebanks, would rather be Lakers, but if the business side continues to drag on who knows how it will play out. -From: Hoopsworld
In the long term, if Caracter develops, he would be a much cheaper option than Odom. Odom will be here for the three-peat, but Caracter could make a case for himself after that considering the luxury-tax adjusted cost differential would be over $14 million. The sooner Caracter develops in our system, the sooner he could start saving Dr. Buss some cash, so I'm sure the FO is motivated to keep him in LA this year.
Caracter has stated he wants to prove he should have been a first round prospect, so that also bodes well for him playing for the Lakers. The international teams can offer him much more money, though, and that has to be tempting for a rookie.
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Caracter is a good asset to have
This year he might not get minutes, but once he is comfortable with the Laker System, then he might be a viable Lamar Odom replacement. They both are really crafty around the rim and I can see caracter devoloping into a Lamar-like versitile player.
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I'm sorry...
While there is little doubt Caracter can be just as effective as Lamar Odom, he is far from being as versatile, and even further away from being ‘Lamar-like’.
I don’t know where you’re getting these comparisons…
Read my post carefully
I can see caracter devoloping into a Lamar-like versitile player.
Considering rethinking your statement, as I am clearly talking about the future, with use if the future tense and the term “developing”
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
Let me re-phrase that.
He will never be. Odom has the necessary motor skills to play guard and forward positions. Caracter simply does not.
Except that he's a completely different player.
You do realize that Lamar can play PG when needed, right? Caracter just isn’t that player.
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I doubt he'll ever have Odom's handles
If you want to set a lofty goal for him, Gasol’s footwork, soft touch, and midrange game should be your targets.
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maybe he can develop into a carlos boozer type player
decent shooting touch, tough around the basket, rebound
I see a
Carlos Boozer type player, in the future of course “developing” lol
He's definitely built like Davis and Millsap
I love the fact that we can compare him to so many great players. My own take is he’s an undersized, but effective bulldog in the post. He is to the C position what Barkley was to the PF position, though a poor man’s version.
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I wouldn't mind either way
He can get some nice seasoning on his game on Maccabi or Olympiakos, two solid Euroleague clubs, while we still hold his rights. If he decides to stay, he’d enjoy matching up against our frontline in practice and working his way into the rotation. Pretty much a win-win situation.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
actually I cheated
I took a screenshot of Twitter, cropped it to size, and uploaded it to imageshack. Then I linked the image to the original tweet.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
Keep Caracter and Ebanks. Please Mitch.
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For all intents and purposes
We’re “keeping” them until we waive their rights. Even if they’re playing overseas, the only way they can come back to the NBA is to sign with the Lakers. Given how marginal their role likely will be in the upcoming year (although useful nonetheless) I wouldn’t be opposed to them gaining valuable playing time on two of the best Euroleague clubs in Maccabi and Olympiakos.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Caracter's soft touch translates well to the Euro game too.
The only drawback I see of him going there is we lose a bit of injury insurance for our bigs. Caracter’s game seems to have enough maturity that he might get a few decent minutes if Bynum, Odom, and/or Gasol get hurt.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
Both of these two can play right away in the NBA I believe
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by RA37thriller on Jul 30, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, certainly
I agree with that sentiment. I’m just indicating that if Caracter goes to Europe, it isn’t a negative thing by any means — he’s getting valuable playing time against high level competition that will benefit him down the road and put a lot of polish on his game (although he has considerable refinement to his game currently).
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
The last thing we want to do is trade him to another NBA team
Europe is ok
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by RA37thriller on Jul 31, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
we would still own him, very much in the same way we owned Marc Gasol despite him playing in Europe the year we drafted him. The same way the Twolves, own Ricky Rubio’s rights.
The only drawback, given that Caracter will not get any quality time here, is that he might like Europe so much and never come back. Since Caracter is not a European, I don’t see that happening.
I wish the NBA was like soccer...
We should totally “transfer” him to a European club, let him grow and develop his game. All the while we would still own his NBA rights. And then when he has a year of valuable experience being a professional basketball player, bring him back.
Let’s be honest with ourselves, he isn’t going to make a whole lot of difference for us this year. He is essentially going to be the Josh Powell of this years Laker team. Let him grown ala the way Man U lets their younger talent grow in lower leagues.
I would be more than happy to let him to go Europe to play this and even the following season
Hes better than Josh Powell
I think he can contribute right away
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by RA37thriller on Jul 30, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The NBA should have academies for each team. Scratch the D-League
So every team can have a farm team where they can develop players
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by RA37thriller on Jul 30, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
What you described happens quite often
With second round picks. Their host club has no room for them and recommends that they play overseas until they’re developed enough for the NBA or a roster spot opens up for them.
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lol really, I thought they just brought up guys from the D-league….. pretty much all of the GSW lineup near the end of last season was mostly D-leaguers lol
The issue with the D-League
Is that for second round picks, it implies they’re taking up a roster spot, which isn’t an efficient solution for the host club. Going overseas remedies that by allowing the team to keep their rights and not worry about this. All the D-League players that are brought up are usually undrafted.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Usually the Euroleague
Although it depends on the specific league. Olympiakos and Maccabi are definitely the cream of the crop though — Caracter would definitely benefit from that level of competition. The D-League is getting better about inching more towards a farm system, but it’s still a long ways away.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Ben, was it just me or was the summer league pace super fast? I believe that it did not benefit
Caracter’s game, although he did have a damn impressive stat line which makes be further believe that if he would be put in-game with Kobe and Bynum that he would be even better, and the NBA pace isn’t really as fast as I saw in the summer league unless you are OKC. There was a lot of movement, fastbreaks, and swarmings on Caracter as well as on other players. I bet that if he were put next to those guys now he would average around 12 pts and 6 rebounds, which is not bad for a rook. He’s going to be good, maybe borderline great eventually. Hence, even though the summer league is the summer league, the pace was abnormal imo.
Summer league pace is always fast
And open court players tend to thrive in the very unstructured environment, so yeah, it’s sometimes illusive to see how their game would translate into the NBA, especially for the Lakers’ offense. As for this applies to Caracter, the biggest thing to take was his skill level and comfort level with a lot of things that will be beneficial in the triangle — the midrange shot from the high post, running to establish position and quickly seal his man, and his superb footwork and touch in the post when taking his man in isolation. If anything, I expect him to look better when he’s within the confines of the triangle and can concentrate on taking apart a single defender in isolation.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Europe
Basketball is the 2nd most played sport in the world. Our European brothers are catching on. A lot of our own are fine with playing over there. Soon, pro basketball will be like soccer. The NBA of course remaining like the EPL. The Spanish league I believe will be pretty close to the NBA 10 years from now I believe. This all because in European ball, there is no salary cap.
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by RA37thriller on Jul 31, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The Spanish league I believe will be pretty close to the NBA 10 years from now I believe. This all because in European ball, there is no salary cap.
Not sure about that. The average talent level between the two is massive right now, and the NBA is still the premier destination for talent wherever they are, something that isn’t going to change anytime soon. Money is a factor that yes, could change this, but European owners don’t make enough off basketball alone to support something that could conceivably challenge the NBA. Sure, you could have a handful of teams that can throw real money at good NBA players, but that’s enough to make the entire league on the same level as the NBA.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
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