Player Report Card: Shannon Brown
This is the next piece in our series of Player Report Cards, in which we evaluate and assign a grade to the performance of each member of the 2009-10 Los Angeles Lakers. Next in line is Shannon Brown, a.k.a Shanwow (commonly solely referred to as 'that guy' in phrases such as 'HOW THE HELL DID THAT GUY DO THAT!?!?!?').
Our season review now lands on Shannon Brown, our team's de-facto Sixth Man (if we argue that Lamar Odom wass for all effects and purposes, a starter during the previous two playoff runs).
Shannon Brown is unique in that he is capable of producing a 'WTF was that!?' moment from fans, in both positive AND negative context, at least once a quarter. From his jaw-dropping dunks to his WAKI (Weak-Ass Kobe Imitation) jump shots, Shannon Brown is as equally capable of producing 'oooohhs' as he is of 'ughs'.
For those who remember the manner in which Shannon came to the Lakers, as what was initially thought to be a meaningless throw-in in a money-saving trade involving sending Vladimir Radmanovic to Charlotte for Adam Morrison, the fact that he was producing 'ooohhs' or 'ughs' at all in relevant minutes is inherently surprising, as prior to coming to the Lakers, Brown was struggling to find his place in the NBA.
But, conforming with the Lakers' ability to develop seemingly unknown talents, Shannon Brown soon became a serviceable NBA player. His emergence was sparked by an insane shooting streak in the '09 Playoffs, hitting at a 48% clip from three during a period when the Lakers desperately needed floor-spacing, and both the Lakers' established backup guards, Jordan Farmar and Sasha Vujacic, were underperforming. Whilst the timing was certainly lucky, Shannon endeared himself to many fans during this period, with his production improving near across-the-board.
During the offseason, many were touting Shannon as the Lakers solution to their issues at Lead Guard, dubbing him the Lakers' Point Guard of the Future. The coaching staff, however, recognised that Shannon still lacked the playmaking and ball-handling skills required to effectively play the lead guard position. Opportunity for Shannon still existed, however, in that Sasha Vujacic, rather than rebounding from a tough season, instead continued to deteriorate as a player, exacerbated by his bizarre issues involving the Slovenian National Team.
As such, the backup two-guard role was available for the taking. Hell, during training camp and the preseason, there were even murmurs that Adam Morrison was being favoured to take the role from Vujacic. Brown, however, seized this opportunity, and capitalised upon it; upping his minutes per game from 7.6 in his first season with the Lakers to 20.7 in this past season. His numbers also improved, though his per-36 and shooting percentages uniformly dropped by a significant amount.
During this period, many fans fell in love with his athletic ability and rim-rattling dunks. The coaching staff themselves were so intrigued with Brown's potential that they would even occasionally steer away from the Triangle into more conventional sets in order to see how Brown performed. Ron Artest has claimed that Shannon is the 'best guy at hitting shots with a hand in his face on the team', asides from Kobe, and Brown has certainly shown a willingness to take those shots.
And therein lies his main issues. One, he is seemingly incapable of effectively operating within the Triangle, and two, those shots he takes are difficult to justify for anybody. Kobe Bryant is arguably the best at hitting those shots in League history, and that spawns from his ridiculous work ethic. Brown, however, does not, probably cannot, maintain that same work ethic, and he is simply not capable of making those tough, off-balance, contested jumpers at a high enough clip to justify taking so many of them, particularly by breaking the Triangle offense to do so. Under no means should a defending champion be running Shannon Brown isolation plays, yet that is what often happened with the bench unit last year - no coincidence the bench unit was widely considered the team's biggest weakness.
And oh God, his defense. Coming into LA, Brown's athletic ability and propensity for highlight blocks led to many classifying him as a defensive specialist, but it's become painfully evident that he either does not possess the mentality or the basketball IQ to effectively transpose his natural talents into solid defense. His core weakness is an inability to correctly transverse screens, but there are countless other issues present as well.
Still, during much of the season, these issues were overlooked, covered up by Brown's potential and athletic ability. It seemed worth a try to attempt to slowly bring Shannon along into a larger role as a player, and to slowly have him acclimated with the Triangle offense. Unfortunately, it seems not much progression was made.
In fact, the Playoffs were quite possibly Brown's worse play in a Laker uniform. An atrocious shooting percentage, a lack of production across the board, and a usage rate that is simply unbelievable considering his performance. In the '10 playoffs, Shannon Brown's usage rate was 18.7%. Pau Gasol's was 21%. Gasol put up an efficient 20/11/3.5, whilst Brown conversely contributed 5 points and not much else at all, at below 40% shooting.
Shannon Brown still had his moments, such as his ridiculous dunks in Game Six:
But these moments were few and far-between, hidden amongst countless head-scratching errors. Shannon Brown, quite simply, does not, or cannot, play within the Triangle offense. He can't even properly make a basic entry pass, the core initiation point of the set. He also seems to see his role of backup guard on the Los Angeles Lakers more specifically as 'Kobe's backup', in that much of the way he plays seems to be an attempt to mirror Kobe Bryant - the shot selection, the deviating from the offense, the sparse attention to defense... all Kobe. It's gotten so bad that some have taken to calling Shannon WAKI, the Weak-Ass Kobe Imitation. Shannon Brown tries to play like he's Kobe (in this writer's opinion, he should compare their jersey numbers and take a hint - all Shannon can aspire to be is half a Kobe). The issue is, Shannon can't be Kobe. The reasons for this are innumerable, but he simply can't.
Shannon Brown has had his ups and downs, he's been both a contributor and a detriment. For every jaw-dropping dunk, there has been a jaw-dropping turnover when he's tried to force his way for a dunk. For every ridiculous shot, there's been several bricked ones.
In the end, however, Brown was valuable last season. With Sasha Vujacic essentially breaking down (insert Machine pun here), somebody was required to step up and play the backup two-guard spot, and Brown proved sufficient enough to win a championship with. I'm just thankful that it was him who pushed Sasha out of the rotation, and not Adam Morrison.
There's no way of knowing yet whether or not he will be back next season. While I think letting him go may be addition by subtraction, keeping him certainly adds an additional layer of security, as well as providing significant trade flexibility in Sasha Vujacic's large Expiring Contract.
Brown is a talented player, though he does have his limits - he'll never be a true point, and he's too undersized to ever be a star wing. Phil Jackson probably described him best in saying that he is a 'Small Forward in a Point Guard's body'. But he is not a particularly great fit in the Triangle, nor is it likely his minutes will increase playing with the Lakers next season. It may well be best for him to find another team where he can try out a larger role. The team would almost certainly be lottery-bound, but if he chooses wisely, and joins a team with young talent and a good coach, it's quite possible he'll emerge as a significant contributor on a Playoff team sometime in his future. Then again, there's also the possibility he stays, learns the Triangle, and ends up being a significant contributor, being able to reliably relieve some of the load on Kobe and the team's core.
Grade: C
I leave you with a Shannon Brown highlight mix, by the ineffable LD2K:
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i voted option #1
although he can be a knuckled on the floor sometimes, i think for the right price he’s worth it. another year in the triangle and not having to compete with farmar will help. hopefully the coaching staff will make his ass watch some tape and show him when to fight through screens or go under. plus i think he serves his purpose being a back up guard, decent scoring and energy. then again i would be okay with him leaving also.
by lakers are trouble on Jul 28, 2010 10:21 AM PDT reply actions
I say bringshannonback
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
by SoCalGal on Jul 28, 2010 10:24 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
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by RA37thriller on Jul 28, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I say I agree with you
Shannon, Shannon, Shannon
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Now that our bench was upgraded, I would like Shannon back.
Our 2nd Unit should play under control much better than this past season, but should still play at a faster pace than the starters. With Blake as back-up PG, I wouldn’t mind thrive in transition opportunities.
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great highlights at the end
love him or hate him, you never get sick of watching Shannon dunk
depth is always good
especially if Luke’s out all year.
but I don't want Shannon
at the cost of Sasha
by mildclubsauce on Jul 28, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
2008 Sasha
if this is 2009 Sasha then no thank you
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
Can I vote for:
Yes, Only at a price near or below the $2.1 million his contract stated AND but in a reduced role AND Sasha is better?
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by wondahbap on Jul 28, 2010 10:43 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
those were my choices
"I wanted to do what was best for LeBron James, and what LeBron James is going to do to make him happy."- Lebron James
I'll vote for it.
WE ARE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion." -- Rudy Tomjanovich
Yeah, let's go with that
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
that would be the most fair choice
i think a C is an appropriate grade too. his WAKI were pretty bad, i must say.
3peat.
What I wanted to vote for.
But I forgot to make it an option :(
But hey, you’re an editor, you can edit the poll aha.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 29, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
i think im going to visit that contender website
i win a $100 if i choose the winner of game 7, then i can get 100 tacos.
"I wanted to do what was best for LeBron James, and what LeBron James is going to do to make him happy."- Lebron James
Actually 200 tacos...
They are 2 for 99 cents.
btw I think the Lakers will win game 7.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
Jack Tatum
damn you LD2K!!
that video makes me really want shannon back. it makes me forget about everything bad shannon has done and thats not what i wanted to do lol.
by lakers are trouble on Jul 28, 2010 11:27 AM PDT reply actions
SB
Nice article, great highlight production video..major props to the crew putting that show-time together…
I hope he comes back
The Lakers are an older team and they could use Shannon’s athleticism and youth off the bench. He’s only in his mid 20s. There’s a lot of developing left for him but he can still be very helpful to the Lakers right now. And extra depth never is a bad thing, especially since Luke looks like he’s going to miss some time, maybe the whole year.
He can fly and I never get tired of his dunks. I hope he comes back. I think he should have gotten the same grade Farmar got, and not one below, but thats just me.
Happy Birthday A-Rod! Now please hit #600 already.
I'm in agreement with that
from one New York Yankees fan to another, they need to bring Shannon back, the bench will seem boring without his highlights.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
oh god
I am laughing so much at Arash Markazi’s lame excuse of a story about (censored)’s night in Vegas. ESPN soon pulled it off the site for some reason.
Bottle after bottle of “Ace of Spades” champagne is delivered to the table by a waiter flying down from above the dance floor like some overgrown Peter Pan on a wire. One time he’s dressed like a King, another time like Indiana Jones and another in an a replica of James’ Number 6 Miami Heat jersey.
James, who can hardly see the flying figure through his tinted glasses, almost gets kicked in the head on the waiter’s last trip down. He looks at the girls around him and says, “I wish they’d have one of these girls with no panties do that instead of the guy.”
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
espn didn't appreciate the truth bombs a-mark was dropping
i enjoyed the story, it was so hilarious
"I wanted to do what was best for LeBron James, and what LeBron James is going to do to make him happy."- Lebron James
by c.lobster on Jul 28, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I enjoyed the part where Glen Davis has a complete
“WTF @ this shit” moment. That and Odom acknowledging the couple who pointed to their ring fingers.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Jul 28, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
C?!
am i the only one who thinks shannon should have gotten a higher grade?? yea i know shannon has his frequent brain farts but i think the article was being a little to hard on shannon. there’s no mention of any games in which shannon was probably one of the reasons that we won, i.e. when we faced the magic at home and shannon had 22 off the bench, when kobe was out shannon really stepped up his production and he played great when we got our win in portland, and you didnt mention how he hurt his thumb which probably affected his shooting
"When I dunk, I put something on it. I want the ball to hit the floor before I do."
-Darryl Dawkins
Yea... you're the only one
Thats a safe thought to have.
Not too much higher
He should have gotten the same grade as Farmar.
I think he has a lot of potential, and could be a more than serviceable 2 behind Kobe Bryant. I do like Shannon over Sasha, who has been on the downside over the last few years while Shannon has been improving. And I also like the explosiveness and athleticism from Shannon over the inconsistent shooting of Sasha (though to his credit, he did pick it up toward the end of the season and in the Finals). Brown has his brain farts, but he’s a solid backup.
He may still be the backup SG behind Kobe if the Lakers are serious about trying to unload Sasha’s contract.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot"-Kobe Bryant
lol shannon kinda asks for it man
i think he got knocked down a grade cuz his brain farts are so incredibly INFURIATING! he looks like he has so much potential, if only he could figure it out already!!! C+ is probably the max you could really give him, but if he finally learns his role he could work his way to a B
by wickedskillz on Jul 28, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i think he knows his role..
he knows his job is to provide energy, some scoring, and play defense which he does occasionally. but sometimes he just kinda wanders off and does his own thing. maybe he just needs to get his head into the game i don’t really know. he can be a quality back up and he has, in the past, been one. when he’s on, he is a very good role player and i hope that’s who we get if we do re-sign him.
by lakers are trouble on Jul 29, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
also
that’s true about his hand injury.fixing that improves both his shooting and handles. that and a little ginko baloba and maybe he has a breakout season
by wickedskillz on Jul 28, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
lol @ the "ginko baloba" comment.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Agreed...kind of
Shannon’s biggest plus is his energy. Stats or any tangibles can’t measure that…so the grade is unable to accurately reflect his importance off the bench and as a replacement to Kobe. I think he’s more important to us than Sasha will be. I am actually looking forward to unloading Sasha so we can make room for Shannon’s return.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault.
Jack Tatum
I say a C is just about right
For every top 10 dunk there was a one dribble pull up jumper clank
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
I'd sincerely would have given him a C+
but that’ just me
"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs
keep shannon
after watching that highlight mix i for sure want him back!
by the fantasy king on Jul 28, 2010 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
And for your reading enjoyment
http://img821.imageshack.us/f/bloglebronespn.jpg/
Good stuff, in more ways than one.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Jul 28, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Here is Arash’s column from google docs if that makes it easier
"Embrace the battle" -Lamar Odom
by intuitive on Jul 28, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bottle after bottle of “Ace of Spades” champagne is delivered to the table by a waiter flying down from above the dance floor like some overgrown Peter Pan on a wire. One time he’s dressed like a King, another time like Indiana Jones and another in an a replica of James’ No. 6 Miami Heat jersey.
James, who can hardly see the flying figure through his tinted glasses, almost gets kicked in the head on the waiter’s last trip down. He looks at the girls around him and says, “I wish they’d have one of these girls with no panties do that instead of the guy.”
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
my friend sent me this article before it got deleted from ESPN
and I am glad he copied and pasted the whole thing. btw..I am sure Lebron has been acting like this for years but not until now are his antics being made public. What a douche. I hate this guy more every day.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
wow, did that ACTUALLY all happen?
wtf…
3peat.
by LAL32 on Jul 28, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
was this article removed in ESPN’s website?
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
Arash Markazi is a credible writer
I remember him from his Slamonline days. As a journalist, all you have is your reputation, and Arash’s had been good, he’s not a hack who write things just to be controversial or generate hits.
As mentioned above, he wrote very candidly on ESPN.com about a night out with Lebron and his entourage in Las Vegas. The article was taken down within 15 minutes.
Now, even Lebron seems to imply on his tweets that the story was not credible. Give me a break.
This is really unfortunate, because none of the sports sites seem willing to talk about it, so that they won’t lose access to “The King”.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Last offseason, Nike confiscated the "Lebron got dunked on by a college player" video tapes
Now, this. One day, Lebron and his goons might be demanding the World to protect his welfare.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
I say
Bring him back for entertainment value for blow out games and clipper games. LOL @ stu “pogo stick brown!”
Shannon Brown
The LAKERS need Shannon back like for real. i love his energy once he steps on the court it’s like wow and everytime he gets the ball everyone gets up to see what other amazing dunk he can do. he’s awesome.. i give him an A+ he has 2 rings more than Lebron HA..GO LAKERS!

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
by shaqfor3 on Jul 28, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Heh, was just reading that
Although I would prefer Roger Mason over Brown, assuming he’d take the minimum.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
i agree.
i prefer mason over brown only because of that beautiful 3-point shot. but i’ll be just as happy if we get shannon back, too much to love about it.
Kenley Jansen > Mariano Rivera
That and he can play spot minutes at the point
Which is always a nice aspect to have.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Mason is not a good shooter
Look at his 2009-2010 percentages. They are not impressive.
39%FG, 33%3PT, and 80%FT.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
TS% and/or eFG% should always be used when evaluating dedicated three-point shooters
As FG% doesn’t do their game justice. Granted, his ‘09-’10 numbers sucked, but given how much chaos surrounded San Antonio’s rotation due to injuries and Pop’s experimenting with lineups, I’m inclined to treat it as a blip as versus his fairly solid numbers in the previous two years.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Mason is old and unathletic
We have Barnes,Sasha and steve to hit 3’s off the bench. We already have a lot of guys that need to learn the triangle. Shannon already knows the offense
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by RA37thriller on Jul 28, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Barnes isn't a consistent three-point shooter and Sasha is getting shopped
Mason can shoot and he handled point guard duties in San Antonio in a limited role, which certainly means that he can man the point in the triangle. In any case, I seriously doubt that Mason can run the triangle any worse than Brown, although that’s not asking for much.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I'd take Mason's 3-pt shooting over Brown's athleticism.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
But he fell off this past year
2009-2010 – 39%FG, 33%3PT, and 80%FT in 79 games.
FG shooting the last three years – 44, 43, and 39% in 80, 82, and 79 games.
Not good.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Ostensibly his looks, hence percentage, should improve in the triangle
but I like the option only if it’ll save money (Mason for vet minimum, half Shannon’s price tag) and what Saurav calls “addition by subtraction” in that Shannon can’t screw up the offense if he’s on someone else’s team.
Even with diminished efficiency and speed, Mason will spread the floor just by being on the floor. Shannon will have to make miraculous, sustained improvements to make that kind of contribution to the triangle.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
FG% doesn't really apply here
Given how many threes he takes. Last three years in TS%: 57.3, 55.4, 49.0. Besides last year, when he was jerked around in different lineups by Pop because he was constantly searching for a lineup that could provide consistent offense (and never found one), his TS% is decently above the league average. In the triangle, with tons upon tons of offensive options around him, he’ll get open looks and won’t have to do much else. In terms of shooters, Mason is also probably the best option left in the market, as I’m not especially thrilled about House’s complete lack of defense and inability to dribble.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Looks like a steady downward trend
Not good.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Err, not really
He had a career high 3P% in ‘08-’09 that was only offset in terms of TS% because he was taking lots of jumpers off the dribble as a result of playing the point often, lowering his overall FG% and thus his TS%. If anything, it was impressive that he was producing at nearly the same shooting efficiency while playing 10 more minutes a game than in ‘07-’08. He took a big drop in ‘09-’10 because of the aforementioned reasons, which I doubt would be applicable to his situation if he came to the Lakers.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
No Thanks
I’ll pass on Mason.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Kudos for the detailed reasoning
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Already stated them
You didn’t pay attention.
You were too busy massaging numbers to notice.
TS% – down, down, down
FG% – down, down, down
Whatever the excuse, 2010 3PT – down.
Then you pull out one stat, 2009 3PT which was good, and say there’s no problem.
No Thanks.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Apparently you didn't either
His TS% only came down in ‘08-’09 virtue of the increased shooting load he had to bear as a result of playing 10 more minutes, and the statistical difference between his ‘08-’09 and ‘07-’08 numbers is fairly irrelevant. As I previously stated, that he maintained nearly the same shooting efficiency while playing 10 additional minutes on the court, especially for essentially a role player, was impressive. You’re the one ignoring context here.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
3-pt shooting is overrated.
we didnt have any pure shooter the last 2 years, and look what that did for us.
we haev already added blake, who id deadly (near 40%) from down town. Barnes is an average 3 pt shooter, but an upgrade over anyone else we had on the bench. fish is still clutch, kobe will put up his, and if brown comes back, i see his numbers goign up because his thumb will be healed. let sasha go.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Yeah, our offense went from elite to simply above average last year
Because no one could shoot well. Our ‘08-’09 playoff run partly came through because Ariza and Odom exploded from behind the arc in a performance totally out of line with their career norms and one both aren’t likely to repeat anytime soon. Last year, we we half-lucked out by facing two opponents horribly ill-equipped to face our frontline after OKC and escaping Boston by a hair’s margin because their offense wasn’t spectacular either.
Our offense hasn’t really been explosive since ‘07-’08, when we had three 40.0%+ three point shooters (Fisher, Radmonovic, Vujacic) along with an abnormally good year from three from Kobe (36.1%), all of which spaced the floor to allow for far easier and smoother execution of the triangle. Blake helps in this regard, but with Fisher falling off a cliff in terms of regular season production and Vujacic being shopped and horribly inconsistent in any case, another consistent three-point shooter would be helpful.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mason sucks to me.
I’d rather Brown’s athleticism to Mason’s slow ass.
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by wondahbap on Jul 28, 2010 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True, Mason is slow
but his basketball IQ is much higher and he’d knock down outside shots. To me, we need those qualities far more because they improve our system whereas Shannon runs around like he doesn’t know what the system is, but gets away with it because he can fly.
Every other Laker signing was genius because we filled roles, and the role we still need is an outside shooter.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
We don't need to get older and slower now.
Shannon’s youth and athleticism is an asset now, since we got two of the players we wanted. Who says Mason’s IQ is higher. Or high at all? Pop benched him last year, and Pop plays vets.
http://twitter.com/wondahbap
higher than Shannon's IQ, which isn't saying much I guess... lol
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
Come on.
If it’s just his ass that’s slow, I’m sure we can find a replacement.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
lol but seriously we already have enough old guys on this team to talk about manhood knowledge
youth and athleticism is more valuable with this current roster. and since Phil say we don’t exactly need a 3pt shooter then there’s no need
Kobe, God and I don't tweet. Everyone else does.
I guess I'm just scared of Sasha and Shannon on the floor at the same time
and all the turrible knucklehead plays they’d make. It’d be like having Farmar back on the team. Hopefully we’ll be fine if we only unleash one of them at a time.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
i think they'll be okay.
hopefully sasha sees that him spotting up and shooting is much better than him dribbling and trying to create. and shannon could just make quicker decisions instead of dribbling for 20 seconds, he’ll be fine.(fingers crossed)
by lakers are trouble on Jul 29, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
With Blake at the point ...
the hope is that Sasha and Shannon will play more under control.
When together with Farmar, it was more like a critical mass of unfocused energy that lost leads and underperformed.
Hopefully Blake keeps things under control so Sasha and Shannon play to their strengths.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
Maybe a different team like, I don't know, Cleveland?
Come on, guys. The Lakers are hogging all the talent. We need someone.
But if I were a Lakers fan I think I’d want him to stay.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
U already had him and gave him up. ur loss.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I like that idea
I think Shannon would develop faster there and he’d give the Cavs fans something to cheer at with his highlights.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
I am with you. I would not be upset if the Cavs had him.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Is it just me or...
Did most of those highlights come either out of taco time or with the Lakers up or down 10+ points? Shannon’s a great player, but they should definitely part ways if he’s asking for too much.
well in shannon's defense.
he is a back up guard.
by lakers are trouble on Jul 29, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers Championship DVD is up on Youtube for anyone that wants to watch
Here’s part 1/9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mDpjnCZjSI&feature=channel
The user has the rest posted up.
"Embrace the battle" -Lamar Odom
by intuitive on Jul 28, 2010 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
thank you!
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
he fits in
He’s there for 2 years, let’s give him the vice-Kobe status for a whole year and see what he does with Blake, Barnes, Ratliff and Odom along side… I say with those guys next to him, he can shine offensively… Many of those dunks are offensive rebounds, often even on free throws turning 3pt plays into 4pt plays… And defensive blocks when it looks like an easy lay-up for the opponent that’s also a huge plus. We need the explosiveness on the bench.
In your reviews you seem to forget the injuries some of the players suffered… This was a tough year for some. With Blake, Brown and Vujacic we’ll have a competitive backcourt bench.
Worst come to worst, if they don’t perform, Sasha is in a contract year and Shannon’s contract whatever it will be, won’t be huge, so he’ll anyway be useful if we need an extra player.
Who would you want instead McGrady? Hughes? Crittenton?
by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Jul 28, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions
i love ups so damn much...
i will be HIGHLY disappointed if he doesn’t come back. 18 games with 7 minutes a game in 09 is not experience so it’s understandable why he got a c this year. but with a full year of REAL triangle offense experience, development in his talent and, most importantly, the energy and momentum shifting ability he brings off the bench when we’re behind in a game, that can’t be understated. BRING HIM BACK! develop him, ebanks and bynum for the future! his jumpshot is not as bad as people make it out to be, it will improve a lot over the next couple of years.
Kenley Jansen > Mariano Rivera
the WAKI part is right though lol.
but when he’s not taking impossible (though not to kb24) fadeaways, it is a decent shot.
Kenley Jansen > Mariano Rivera
He went through training camp and had every opportunity to improve last year
He didn’t. That doesn’t bode well for how he fits into the offense in the future. Granted, he might be better now that we actually have a real bench in Blake, Barnes, and Odom, but his mistakes were essentially repeated throughout the year with no visible sign of improvement. Perhaps another round of training camp will beat some of those tendencies out of him, but I’m not especially optimistic about it.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
i agree with the mistakes.
but this is mostly me being optimistic with him being able to learn a lot with one last year with phil. i hope i’m right because he really is a great player to put on the court for a minute or 2 when we’re down. of course, there is still the risk of mistakes but the award is even greater if he ends up shifting momentum.
Kenley Jansen > Mariano Rivera
Well, yeah, by default this is a low risk, high reward move
Considering that he’ll be noticeably farther down the totem pole this year courtesy of the bench players we signed. As such, I wouldn’t mind him coming back, as he’s likely a net positive presence when he has several players to make up for his shortcomings. That said, I’m not especially optimistic about what he’s going to bring to the table, hence why I’d prefer someone like Mason, who fits into the triangle much better.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
i dont think you could
really count him in the future Lakers core unit. I agree he has a lot of room for development and could be pretty good one day, but his size caps his ceiling too much. His ceiling on any championship is probably 2nd guy off the bench.
by wickedskillz on Jul 28, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I really really don't like Shannon as a player
I talked about it on the Sasha post, but I guess at this point if we sign him for around that $2mil then at least we get someone who is somewhat familiar with the triangle. If we do sign him I just hope he commits to running the offense, and learns to be smarter with the ball. Dude wows me just as much as he wows everyone else, but I don’t think that’s worth the boneheaded things he does.
In Soviet Russia, LA beats you.
The reason why I dont buy the "Keep Shannon because he will develop his game"
is because he has been with the team long enough so that we can see and compare his development from one season to the next and I dont see it. The perfect example of someone who that argument worked for was Ariza. His three point shooting clearly improved from one year to the next. But for Shannon…..eh! I dont see the difference in his game and especially his jump shot from one year to the next.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
mhm
Ariza pretty much got hot during the play-offs and that was about it. we don’t know if that was an actual consistent leap in his shooting ability. Plus, Brown had that hand injury we over look.
That said, I’m just nitpicking, you’re totally right about Shannon. Right now he seems more useful as a momentum changing gimmick than a serious professional basketball player
by wickedskillz on Jul 28, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That hand injury didn't force him to dribble around and take stupid jumpers
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
having no go to guy on the court with him, caused him to do that.
with the additions of blake & barned i really think you will see less dumb pull up jumpers this year. that, and his hand will be healed, so he will have a better handle on the ball and not feel timid to attack the rim. i would much rather have brown (who is younger and has way more upside) than sasha (who has had 2 full years to prove he is worth the 5 million) .
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
Believe me I see why everyone wants Shanon on the Lakers and I do to but not over Sasha. Also, if you remember Ariza had a much serious injury which kept him out for most of 08. And yet he still came back the following year with and improved shot.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
sasha has been trying for 2 full years to get his shot back.
i dont think its happening.
brown is more athletic, has more upside, and brings more momentum and energy into the game with his dunks.
id much rather have a few arrant jump shots than foudl 40 feet away from the basket.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
all good points.. : )
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Maybe he will develop "his" game
“His” game should be hustle, dunking, driving. It should incorporate the triangle. He shouldn’t dribble, dribble, dribble, shoot.
He should dribble, and then make a decision to shoot/drive, or reset the offense.
It’s always good to have a guy that can come in and fire up the crowd, Shannon has proven he’s that guy. We just need him to play smarter… can he?
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
by 99bc99 on Jul 28, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you got it man
if he can incorporate that into the triangle, he’s golden. a solid 3 pt shot would really open up driving lanes. either shoot, drive or dish, DONT WAKI IT
by wickedskillz on Jul 28, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
but he hasnt done so. How many years does a player need to develop a shot or the skills to
drive to the basket? As far as running the offense I think that has already been tried and he has shown above everything else that he is not point guard.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
i dunno, ask sasha.
how many years has ne had to try to get his game back.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
yup..the lesser of two evils
the biggest thing against Sasha is not his game but his over paid contract.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
I think having Blake will help Shannon
because Shannon wonn’t have to initiate the offense, something we can all agree he’s terrible at. Also it helps that Blake is a pass first point guard unlike Farmar and we may see a few more decent, open looks for Shannon as a result rather than the homeless man’s Kobe imitation he so loves.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on Jul 29, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
very true and I didnt consider it
that is a great way of looking at it.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
well to be fair, the triangle offense is kinda difficult for some players.
just ask artest and you are making it seem easy to develop a consistent jumpshot and to be a great slasher. if it was really that easy, don’t you think everyone would be a great jump shooter and slasher? and i agree that he’s not a point guard, he’s more like a tweener. but the good thing about the triangle offense is that you don’t need to be a traditional pg. personally, if we do re-sign him, i hope he can just make better, quicker decisions. and i’m sure he’s working on his shot and with a healthy set of hands, his jumpshot will improve. but if we don’t re-sign him then non of that will matter. i’m fine either way. i see positives and negatives with and without him.
by lakers are trouble on Jul 29, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
my point of view is that IS easy to improve/develop a jump shot.
the difficult part is the effort and work ethic that most players lack. I have heard over and over how the jump shot is a lost art. I agree with that. Everyone nowadays wants to dunk and be flashy. Trust me, if Shanon put in the effort to improve his jump shot we would see it from one year to the next.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Shannon
is a beast. But, I don’t think we should be raising our price to get him. Take it or leave it Shannon.
Andrew Bynum’s knee surgery went as planned today in N.Y. He’s expected to be healthy for training camp:
http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/100728bynumsurgery.html
Sweet 16
always good news
next news I want to see for Bynum is he stays on the court, all season long until Lakers 3 peat
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Brown Vs. Sasha
I agree Brown adds a lot to the Lakers but when Sasha hits those 3 pointers with Pau and Bynum are working on the low post, the Lakers are unbeatable. Look, Sasha, like most shooters, is streaky. He needs the minutes to get into a rhythm. It didn’t help that he got into an argument with B. Shaw during the season. You can’t give him 2 minutes a game and expect him to shoot lights out or bench him. Like him or hate, he works his butt off “trying” to play defense or least annoying the hell of everyone he guards.
Alright...
Now that all the C and below students are done with, now let’see the 3.0 performers.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Jul 28, 2010 6:26 PM PDT reply actions
Shannon vs. Sasha
people seem to forget that Sasha is 3x as expensive as Shannon
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Neither are worth the money
They both strike me as Devean George types — a lot of promise that never comes to fruition. Ideally I’d love to see Mitch succeed in his attempt to move Sasha and let Shannon walk, then fill the backup guard spot with a cheaper veteran or D-League prospect.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
I'd say Shannon is worth around 2 mil to us
Sasha is too. Sasha’s def not worth 5.6 or whatever he’s making.
Anyways, it’d be nice to have one of them because Luke likely will miss time this season, so Barnes will be playing back up SF unless Ebanks takes some tremendous strides in the coming few months…
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
with luke out
we would have 0 bench players that know the triangle. that’s no good.
by wickedskillz on Jul 29, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
sasha & brown know the triangle, along with odom.........
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I was replying to
deadmuse’s comment “Ideally I’d love to see Mitch succeed in his attempt to move Sasha and let Shannon walk, then fill the backup guard spot with a cheaper veteran or D-League prospect.” Don’t know how to do the box quote thing.
You’re right about Odom, I sometimes forget to include him on the bench mob bcuz of his role
by wickedskillz on Jul 29, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
well, to be fair,
with bynums limited minutes later in the season and into the playoffs, he was playing starter minutes. just coming off the bench.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
he's okay with coming back as long as he takes less money :D
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess."
- Kobe Bryant
The Lakers are reportedly trying to trade Sasha Vujacic, along with a first-round pick, to get his salary off their payroll.
We’d be giving up one of our own future picks as the cost for dumping Sasha’s contract, not receiving a pick. There was some speculation earlier that we’d be getting a pick for him, but it looks like it’s the other way around.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
Certainly looks like we are serious in getting Sasha out.
This may mean our FO really wants Shannon back.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
No
more like they really want to cut costs and since we have a feisty defender, Barnes, and another shooter, Blake, Sasha is more expendable, especially because its an expiring contract.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
I'm not convinced with the cost cutting as the only purpose
Blake will be our backup PG who will play 24 or more mins as Fish will certainly take less so he can be prepared for the grind in the playoffs.
Barnes is an SF and will be Ron’s primary backup and I can’t see him as our backup SG as I haven’t seen him play as SG before. Please enlighten me if I’m wrong about this.
So that leaves us with a thin backup at the SG if we traded Sasha and let Shannon sign elsewhere.
Cost cutting makes sense if we get Shannon back and dump Sasha’s contract because it will be stacked in the backup SG position.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
Well its a trade isn't it
They’re trying to trade him for someone else, assuming they’re going to get someone back for him that fills his role for a cheaper price correct. Just saying, its not like we’re letting him walk
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
Well yeah
more like they really want to cut costs and since we have a feisty defender, Barnes, and another shooter, Blake, Sasha is more expendable
I thought you were saying that Barnes and Blake can fill up Sasha’s role. But you are probably right with Sasha being traded for someone cheaper (or a player with a small guaranteed salary if waived, a la Delonte West or a future draft pick, a la Mihm deal) from a team with a salary cap space.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
I c
I was just pointing out that two of the things we like about Sasha that we need on our bench were already gotten in two other players. I should’ve mentioned the whole getting someone else in return part. lol
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
Similar to Ilgauskas when he got traded and he got resigned with the Cavs
is there a possibility that the same can be worked out for Sasha?
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
I doubt anyone interested in him
would buy out his contract
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
dam it!
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
lol, I feel the same way
why Sasha couldn’t be interesting to other teams, why’d he have to go and stink up the place for a season?
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id love to see him stink it up on another team!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I know..
well hopefully his expiring contract will appeal someone.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
I don't want that kind of deal
There’s kind of Karma in that. I dunno just a gut and pride feeling.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
really good point.
I am a superstitious fan.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
loving this!!!
talk walton into retiring and then you have 10 million in expiring contracts. that could be very valuable at the trade deadline.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
I like Shannon
and for as bad as he was this year, I think he can improve. We almost tripled his minutes, and gave him much much more responsibility than he had ever had with any other team. I say he can improve with a similar limited role this year and less of the responsibility to fire the crowd up off the bench. I mean how old is he and how often did he mess up our offense. Not much more than Artest who also had training camp and all year and still did a whole lot of shit to mess up on offense that we overlook cuz of his defense. Shannon can improve on defense, something thats more intelligence than skill because he’s not dumb. He can improve on decision making, its not just clear cut that he won’t improve. He’s a good player and he came in and contributed, albeit not as effectively as we like. I truly think that we would see an improvement in him next year. Obviously, we’re not going to overpay him because he hasn’t shown the same potential that Sasha had shown back when he got his contract, but I do think we should resign him.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
Not sure if this is credible, but I'll post it anyway.
The Cavaliers are heavily pursuing Shannon Brown, according to multiple sources. @BQRMagic first reported Cleveland’s interest in Brown.
http://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/19776547985
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
yeah they have been after him the last few days
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
They should
trade Mo and Twan and rebuild yes. Maybe even get someone to take Varejao’s contract, but I think its a pride thing with Dan Gilbert now. I mean he’s pledged to the fans to basically keep them competitive and by doing that he says that we really can’t win without Lebron, even though I still think they’re an 8th seed in the Eastern conference. On the flip side, they can rebuild while staying competitive though. I mean they’ll have trading chips by the trade deadline if Mo and Twan play to their capabilities instead of taking the year off. Plus they have Ramon Sessions to shore up guard play as well. I really think they can do this rebuilding without all of the tanking they did in order to get Lebron. If they draft well and get another big man down low, I think they’ll be ok. Unfortunately, I think the departure of all of their big men is going to hurt even more than Lebron leaving.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
that's true
and with lebron leaving it really makes it tougher for cleveland to attract free agents in the future. gilbert is probably looking to compete, but i still don’t see the cavs in the playoffs next year.
3peat.
The only reason I agree
is because they no longer have an imposing frontline with the departure of Shaq and Z
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
Yes, depth is always good
I give Shannon an C for could of been better or could of done more, whatever the case is, it will be nice to see if he could improve to a B within this Laker system.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
You have to question this guy's mental health
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5418788
Death wish anyone?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
haha
Death in the hands of hundreds of Clevelanders.
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
by shaqfor3 on Jul 28, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Looks like Delonte
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
by domz on Jul 28, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Delonte would have his arm wrapped around Gloria
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Jul 28, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol but uhm not sure if Delonte would not love that
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
HOLY SHIT, IT'S HUEVONKILLER!!
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
or LBJ6Heat
Don’t you love the chase? Sometimes it doesn’t work out; those are the stakes. But when it does work out, it’s like having that first cigarette: your head gets all dizzy, your heart pounds, your knees go weak. Remember that?
Nah, he supposedly lives in Miami.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 AM PDT up reply actions
He says he's 'lifelong'.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions
which is why he joined the Heat blog after they got LeBron
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
And his previous account was called 'CavsLeBronFan'...
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
that is crazy
I seen something like that on you tube with a Celtics fan at the Staples center. That is hilarious but can be dangerous at the same time.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Keep Shannon for life
Yes he makes stupid decisions but he’s not dumb enough to start a Slovenian war. Most of the time, Shannon doesn’t seem to fully understand what his role should be. But he does well when it’s clearly defined for him (why i think the set plays). The games during Kobe’s absence were some of last season’s best examples of good triangle execution. If Shannon was that bad in the triangle, he and Artest in the starting lineup should have destroyed that offense. I like UPS despite wanting to slap him up the head countless times.
Kobe, God and I don't tweet. Everyone else does.
by Madz on Jul 29, 2010 12:09 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
but he’s not dumb enough to start a Slovenian war.
LMAO!
Formerly known as "akb24b"
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark
All things considered
It would be great to have Shannon Brown back flying through the air in a Laker uniform. Smashing it down like only he can.
by John Blazington on Jul 29, 2010 12:48 AM PDT reply actions
Shannon's grade
I don’t care what all you shannon haters say. SHANNON BROWN IS GREAT, EXCITING ,
A HIGHFLYER WHO CAN STEP UP THE PACE OF ANY GAME IMMEDIATELY. Yes, he
can make some moves that don’t add up points, but I feel that MOST Laker fans will easily cut Shannon some slack and PRAY that we
forgive him this. Because with great strength and agility ( and talent) can come some big
mistakes. It goes with the territory. Only Kobe Bryant does all things perfectly, and tell me,
who else could do what Kobe does??!! So
get him back. I don’t care whom else we sign, it just won’t be as exciting to watch without
Shannon. SHANNON…. COME BACK sigh!Italic phrase
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