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This is the next piece in our series of Player Report Cards, in which we evaluate and assign a grade to the performance of each member of the 2009-10 Los Angeles Lakers. Next in line is Jordan Farmar, a.k.a ... um ... a.k.a. the mean name of your choice having to do with his abnormally large ears.

Our season review now lands on one Jordan Farmar, the only member of the 2009-2010 Los Angeles Lakers that we know for sure will not be back with the team. The writing may be on the wall for some of the lesser lights, as the Lakers have replacements for benchwarmers DJ Mbenga (Theo Ratliff), Josh Powell (Derrick Caracter), and Adam Morrison (the air which was previously displaced by Adam Morrison), but as of the time of this writing, Farmar is the only former Laker to actually sign a contract with another team, a 3 year deal with the New Jersey Nets.  (Update:  Apparently the Josh Powell to Atlanta thing is more than just a rumor.  Sorry, his signing didn't register on multiple outlets I care to read)

The separation was a mutual thing. Jordan has been making noise about wanting to start for a couple years now, and his fit with the Lakers was a classic example of a square peg and a round hole. That's why the Lakers did not even extend Farmar a qualifying offer to retain the right to match any contract Farmar signed with another team, a gesture that Farmar spun as a kindness, since it was clear he was interested in looking elsewhere.

I'm sorry, did I say square peg and round hole? What I meant was a triangle peg and a triangle hole. The problem is that the triangle hole is equilateral, and Jordan's triangle peg could only ever be obtuse.

Star-divide

That's the tragedy (ok, mild sadness) of Jordan Farmar. He didn't fit with the Lakers vision of his role, but not because he lacks the tools. The triangle guard needs only to do a few things well; Be able to initiate the offense properly, play decent defense, and stroke the 3. Farmar knows how to initiate the offense properly, his above average atheleticism counteracts his below average defensive instincts, and he was actually the best 3 pt shooter on last year's team (ok, not really, but I want you to research the two guys ahead of him, it's good for a laugh). But he was never interested in playing the role that this team wanted him to play. Jordan Farmar has always wanted his success to come on his own terms.

That's not a crime. The Lakers happen to have another guard who wanted success on his own terms, and that guy just picked up his 2nd straight Finals MVP. In fact, there are quite a few similarities of personality between Jordan Farmar and the previously alluded to Kobe Bryant. They are both so confident in their abilities that the confidence could just as well be labeled arrogance or smugness. They are both unafraid to take buzzer beating shots (though Farmar's 1st quarter buzzer beaters just don't quite match up to Kobe's versions), and they both have a stuborness that can do more harm than good.

But personality is where the similiarities end. Jordan has good athleticism for his size, but he's not on Kobe's level. His consistency isn't even close, and as for his work ethic? Well, comparing Kobe's work ethic to anybody is unfair, but there's a story about how, on the night the Lakers drafted Javaris Crittenton (one year after drafting Farmar), Jordan came to the Lakers' practice facility. It was a nice little anecdote, putting Farmar's competitive drive on display. There's just one problem ... Kobe would have been there the night before, and the night after, and all nights in between.

Therein lies Jordan's problem. He is determined to seek success on his own terms, but he lacks the superstar pedigree to make teams be willing to bend to his determination.  A superstar can get away with it, but a role player like Jordan is cutting himself off at the knees.

 Wow, 600 words and I haven't said a single thing about Farmar's play this season.  Jordan is the first player we've discussed that has already left, but he's also the first real contributor to be discussed.  If you check out the minutes breakdown of our players, there is a clear top 8, those 8 played 90% of all relevant minutes.  So, unlike in reviewing Luke Walton's and DJ Mbenga's season, this is a guy who actually played important minutes en route to another championship.  So what did he do with those minutes?

As it always seems to be with Jordan, it's a decidedly mixed bag.  Over the course of the season, per 36 minutes, he scored 14.4 points and handed out 3.5 assists.  He ended up with a PER which was a shade higher than Ron Artest (keep in mind, PER majorly fails to compensate for defensive ability), and he and Shannon Brown were, on paper at least, virtually identical in terms of production.  That production isn't impressive, but it's not exactly woeful either.  And don't let that 43.5% FG% fool you, because nearly 1/2 of Jordan's shots were from 3 pt range.  Adjusted eFG shows that only Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum were more effective at converting shots to points, so Farmar was clearly the best outside shooter on the team last year.  He started off poorly (eFG of 47% in November) and ended very poorly (eFG of 39% in April), but his middle months were full of strong shooting. He did a decent job taking care of the ball, with less turnovers per 36 than all of our big 3

But anybody who watched the games couldn't have been all that thrilled with Jordan's play.  He and Shannon Brown combined forces to ensure that the offense never ran smoothly when the 2nd unit took the court, mainly be throwing up shots without running the offense.  Farmar was 4th on the team in usage, taking up 19% of the possessions on the court, and considering that Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum were only a couple percentage points higher, that's unacceptable.  Also, for someone who has very good quickness, he failed to get to the free throw line very often.  It's hard to put your finger on exactly why Farmar's season wouldn't be considered a moderate success when staring at the stat sheets, but one remembers his play being more frustrating than exhilirating.  He's an energy guy, the guy who comes off the bench to provide a spark, but too often he failed to harness that energy and turn it into something that was beneficial to the team.  He made not have turned the ball over all that often, but the turnovers he did have were of the facepalm variety. 

His playoffs was just more of the same.  He maintained good outside shooting, once again taking top honors from the outside with a 40% clip.  But he was part of the woefully inconsistent bench group that made a difference every single night in the playoffs, with that difference being bad more often than not, and his performance in the Finals left much to be desired.  There were bright moments, such as game 6, when he made quite a few energy plays to help the Lakers set the tone in destroying Boston in L.A., and also reminded those who had forgotten (on acccount of backcourt mate Shannon Brown's ridiculous hops) that Farmar is no slouch in the athletic department. Enjoy Farmar's last memorable moment as a Laker.

So Jordan Farmar is trading the golden pastures of Los Angeles for the greener pastures of New Jersey. For a player of his age and experience, there's no harm in that. We wish him the best, with no ill will, but also knowing that his loss isn't one to regret with much passion.

Final Grade: C+

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liked farmar

when he was drafted (because I love UCLA) but over the years he kinda got not good, so glad he’s gone and good luck.

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by c.lobster on Jul 26, 2010 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Goodbye Jordan

Won’t really miss you, but you helped us against Boston

by 17andover on Jul 26, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Good article overall

However, I disagree with the following comment: “Farmar was 4th on the team in usage, taking up 19% of the possessions on the court, and considering that Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum were only a couple percentage points higher, that’s unacceptable.”

Farmar was better than the alternatives: Shannon Brown, Pau/Bynum double-teamed in the post, a cold Machine, Mbenga, Powell, Luke, etc.

I like Farmar as a player, but you hit the nail on the head about his work ethic. If he wants (key word) to reach the next level, he must work harder in the offseason. I don’t see how Poker’s Main Event correlates to on the court skills.

by 81 Witness on Jul 26, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd be willing to concede the point

if not for this part:

Pau/Bynum double-teamed in the post

To say that a Farmar shot is better than Pau/Bynum being double teamed is putting the cart before the horse, which is exactly what Jordan did all too often. If Farmar’s usage was that high because he was taking a majority of the shots that resulted from inside doubles, it wouldn’t be a source of my criticism. But that’s not what happened a good chunk of the time.

Farmar’s high usage is only unacceptable under the context that a bunch of those shots did not come within the offense.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 26, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

i fully agree

chances are, a pau/bynum double-teamed in the post sequence would have lead to a Farmar shot anyway. a much better shot than the one he probably would have gotten on his own.

C+ is the proper grade.

by callpocket8 on Jul 26, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Farmar

All talent…no brains!!!!

by Keller1 on Jul 27, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I will miss Farmar ... maybe

thanks for the post C.A

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by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Ya'll musta forgot.....

Farmar possess the basketball IQ of an amoeba…..at best!!

Good riddance.

by Keller1 on Jul 27, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff, fair grade, but oh my, so mean. LOL
(the air which was previously displaced by Adam Morrison)

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by SoCalGal on Jul 26, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions  

His last memory was when he dunked on KG in the Finals on a fast break

But Farmar, although skilled and athletic, did not have the type of game that fit well with the Lakers. It is a very unique offense.

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by Jelly Bean on Jul 26, 2010 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Farmar

Totally oblivious to the action around him. All energy..no brains. he would be better served as an atom.

by Keller1 on Jul 27, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

grammar fail?
Brown combined forces to ensure that the offense never ran smoothly when the 2nd unit took the court, mainly be throwing up shots without running the offense.

by rballer on Jul 26, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

he meant

“By” instead of “Be”

by Jevon O on Jul 26, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

good luck to Jordan "Air" Farmar in New Jersey

hopefully he gets that starting gig he wants at some point in his career. Least he left LA with two rings.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 26, 2010 1:44 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

huh?

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

ooo i gets it now :D

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll always be fond of Jordan

as a fellow Bruin (who had an exciting run to the Final Four) and his time with the Lakers. I like many Laker fans have grown a little frustrated with his lack of progress and being unable to grab the starting spot or more minutes. As the season went on it became painfully clear he was not going to be the answer at the starting spot we needed going forward, so I agree with your assessment and the Lakers’ position in letting him go. Thankfully, they brought in Matt Barnes to keep the UCLA karma going forward with the Kobe-Pau Dynasty.

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by S Jay Bruin on Jul 26, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Farmar

His game is ….1 on 9!!

by Keller1 on Jul 27, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

man you really hate farmar huh?

what did he ever do to you? i mean he wasn’t great but he did okay at times. and i don’t think he did so bad that warrants such hatred.

by lakers are trouble on Jul 28, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Apparently Indiana wouldn't offer him the same money

Although that’s strange as I always considered Indiana his natural landing spot and they’re faced with the prospect of starting T.J. Ford because Price hurt himself in the summer. Farmar fits well with their fast tempo and three-point heavy approach. Fault Bird for being an awful GM.

As for him going to New Jersey, he apparently liked the fact that Avery Johnson, a former point guard, was the coach, and knowing Harris’ injury history, he’ll get his minutes as the year progresses.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their draft was good

But I’m not thrilled with the thought of George and Granger playing together on the wings; they’re somewhat redundant, although that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Given that Indiana is Indiana, they really should package Murphy, Foster, and other pieces together for some young talent, but I seriously doubt Bird will do that.

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by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be curious to see what they could get for Granger

They guy’s 27 years old, he seems to have peaked at about a 20-PER plateau, and his games played have dropped three straight seasons now. It might be time to sell high and go hard-core youth movement. His contract still has four eight-figure years left, but that could be a plus to a team that really believes in him.

As you point out, this is Bird, so he won’t try anything that ballsy and creative, but I would absolutely be shopping Granger around if I were in his position.

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by DexterFishmore on Jul 26, 2010 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would think they could get considerably better than Al Jefferson

Which was on the table last season. Granger is a top five player at his position and his game seems ideal for a second banana role, especially since so much of it revolves around catch-and-shoot jumpers. The team with the best fit off the top of my head is Orlando, although I’m not sure who they could package in return. Giving up Nelson for Granger and having the Chris Duhon show at the point wouldn’t be ideal. The best offer I’ve heard of is Harris and Favors from New Jersey, which might be the best they get in this market. If they can wrangle some first rounders out of New Jersey — which wouldn’t surprise me given that Billy King is a highly underwhelming GM — it probably would be a steal.

And yeah, Indiana needs to go with the youth movement. It’s incomphrensible that Murphy and Foster haven’t been dumped for nice assets yet, especially during the ‘08-’09 season when their value was sky high and everyone wanted bigs who could shoot or guard our frontline.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

a second banna role for a guy that averages 25 points per game and plays some solid defense?

I think if Hibbert can improve his game in the paint the team might be able to make a playoff push. Their three point heavy approach is quite a risky one, but again it all depends Hibberts ability to play the middle. He is a good passer and having a player like Granger and posiibly able to draw double teams on the wing, the team’s ballrotation wil improve, and they won’t have to settle for 50 threes on a consistent basis. Also, Lance Stephenson is 6’9 and has the potential to play pg, that said, depending on the health and chemistry of the team, I think Indiana might be good for seventh or eight spot in the East.

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by Bkj on Jul 26, 2010 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

His game is primarily based around catch-and-shoot opportunities

He gets a lot of his points in the flow of the offense rather than outside of it, although he’s capable of the latter. The former, however, makes him an ideal second banana since he can operate well with another established player who uses a good chunk of the available possessions. As for Hibbert, he has to either become much better at scoring in the post or running the floor, as he’s a bit miscast in Indiana’s fast, trey-heavy offense. He might get to that point, although probably not for two or three years.

As for Stephenson, he’s 6’6’’, and while he can play some point, faster guards are going to slaughter him off the dribble. He might he a decent 20 minute stopgap to prevent Ford from playing more minutes, but that’s about it. In any case, while Indiana probably could contend for a playoff spot, there’s no real point for them. They have a ton of expiring contracts for veteran players who will attract real trade value (Murphy, Foster) and need to clear cap and build through the draft since no sane top tier free agent is coming to Indiana. That’s why their winning streak at the end of the year was silly as hell, as they dropped four spots in the draft in the process. Trading Granger is simply another way to acquire more assets, as he’s not going to be around by the time Indiana gets remotely competitive.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol, must have misread the six for a 9.

I agree that the win streak at the end of the season was silly, but Indiana beat teams that they couldn’t beat in the earlier part of the season. Doesn’t that suggest, at least a little bit, that Indiana may be headed in the right direction; especially now that hansborough, dunleavy, grang and murph are healthy and they now have two good prospects? I’m trying to look at their situation optimistically, because I like Granger a lot, but still that win streak at the end of the season surprised me in that Indian finally started to win and that they stopped tanking, (if that had been their intention in the first place.)

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by Bkj on Jul 26, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, for any team, you need to be building towards something

And for the last five years, Indiana has been heading absolutely nowhere. They’ve been complete non-factors in free agency, most of their trades have been bad, and their drafts underwhelming besides the one that produced Granger and perhaps this year’s. For a small market team in a very undesirable market, the only real option is to build through the draft and use cap space opportunistically to acquire assets much in the manner that Presti has done with OKC in the past few years. Granger isn’t conducive to that; he’s in his prime now and will be in his early 30s by the time this core is good enough to do anything useful. Along with Dunleavy, Murphy, and Foster, he should be shopped for young prospects and picks. Trying to build a team out of a disorganized bunch like this only makes things worse in the long-term.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ben R., you are an astute reader of the game

I’m really curious how you view Farmar’s chances with the Nets (aside from Harris’s injury issues). Given that he is going to be released from the triangle which he clearly abhorred, what is your take on how good a PG he can become in a more uptempo, traditionally PG-centric offense.

The big question on my mind is: Was it the Triangle (of course), or was it Offensive Sets in general that bothered him?

What do you think?

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by kv on Jul 26, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he'll be better

As far as drive-and-dish plays as well as a lot more pick-and-roll, both of which should make him look better. My only quibble is that Johnson traditionally calls plays like mad and restricts his point guard’s creativity, which isn’t exactly what Farmar needs or wants. That’s why I thought Indiana would be a better fit since it’s a frenetic offense with a lot of threes and running.

As for the triangle, you’re right in that it stifled him some, although as C.A. pointed out in the article, his work ethic is a concern. He might feel liberated in a non-triangle offense and crank up his effort in response, but it’s hard to say. He has all the physical tools and skills to be an above average player at the point; only question is whether he’ll make good use of them.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, PG coaches can be REALLY rough on their points. The worst case is Larry Brown of course, but the honeymoon crashing down into endless-criticism-land seems perfectly possible for Avery and Farmar, and Farmar won’t like it. And no matter how much Avery tries to strong arm him into “yes, sir” “no, sir”, he might have something of the ’tude: “I played for the greatest coach that ever lived, who are you?”

I’m 60% he’s a little better, and 40% much better. Can’t see him being worse.

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by kv on Jul 26, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although he was almost certainly going to leave

I’m slightly disappointed the Lakers didn’t extend the qualifying offer to Farmar to, if anything, retain him as a trade chip in a sign-and-trade scenario. In a summer like this one in which point guards were likely the most scarce quantity, having the ability to flip Farmar to a team for picks or a decent piece in return would have been nice.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

The Lakers always seem pretty smug with what they have overating the talent on the roster,so far they have been right 2 times

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by Czheck on Jul 26, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

my new nickname for cp3 is no decision

have fun in NOLA with peja

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by Czheck on Jul 26, 2010 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Anyone watching PTI right now?

WTF is going on with Tony Korneiser’s face and neck?

by The Dude Abides on Jul 26, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

He had a great beginning to his career at home.

Did the Blake signing make that much more expendable?

by brettpedigo on Jul 26, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes and no

He was already out the door more or less when we didn’t extend the qualifying offer. We simply shut it on him when we brought in Blake.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right after the championship

I listened to Mason and Ireland the next day and they said that there was an after party at Staples for all the players, and Jordan was the only one who didn’t go. I still wish the best for him. Nets can only go up. Hope he can help.

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by pharoah on Jul 26, 2010 2:53 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm glad he's gone

 He’s been here for quite a while, marginally contributed towards 2 titles. He doesn’t want to be constrained by the triangle anymore & wants to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond. We didn’t need them much, either. So i guess it’s a win-win situation

by ajfarsi on Jul 26, 2010 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

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by njzfinest5013 on Jul 26, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

joshpowell signs with the hawks!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Av9mntTgwwfnqLVkrg3oZaC8vLYF?slug=ap-hawks-powell

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by njzfinest5013 on Jul 26, 2010 5:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Happy for Josh. Hope he gets some PT.

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by SoCalGal on Jul 26, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol, what are the hawks thinking? giving JJ more dough than lbj, stat, cb4, dwade, and boozer. Shouldn't they be looking for a center?

Also, they drafted jordan crawford who is like a carbon copy of jamaal crawford. D

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by Bkj on Jul 26, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

That works. Jamal Crawford can play the point guard position while Jordan Crawford

plays the two. They have some flexibility. Plus, they’ll be playing uptempo this season and Mike Bibby will probably be riding the bench or traded in favor of Teague.

by E-ROC on Jul 26, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they should have sign-and-traded Johnson

For a trade exception and picks and then used that opportunistically in sign-and-trades for available free agents. If they had signed Childress, between increased minutes for Jamaal Crawford and bringing in Jordan Crawford, they’ll have basically replaced Johnson’s production with a much more balanced offensive attack. Now they’re stuck with the worst contract in the league.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good luck to Powell

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

We've been using him as the butt of jokes for a while now

But signing Delonte West, who was just traded to Minny for Sessions, wouldn’t be a bad move. He’s a good defender against both guard spots and is a streaky shooter, but is fairly athletic as well. Only question would be if he would take the minimum.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 7:52 PM PDT reply actions  

i don't like the guy personally ...

i dunno if I could bear seeing him in a Laker uniform and honestly his game is similar to shannon’s although more polished and minus the crazy athleticism Shannon has but he tends to think he’s better than he actually is and take some bad shots

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could you imagine Delonte, Artest and Barnes together?

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by Joshua S on Jul 26, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

seriously lol

and also , did he burned on the face or something ? Like do you see the corner of his mouth and stuff ?

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh , i see

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

that pic is funny lol

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by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

what terrible parent let this 10 year old get all those tattoos, wtf.

by Kevdawg on Jul 26, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't West have a disorder or something? ADD? ADHD? I know he has something because

he missed some games last season for unknown reasons, and coach Brown said something to the effect not knowing when West would show up for games so he wouldn’t be counting on him during the playoffs.

I think the Lakers should go super cheap with the 14th roster spot. DJ Strawberry? Javaris Crittenton? Maybe they will make a pipe dream come true and trade for Xavier Henry? Ebanks and Brown for Henry?

by E-ROC on Jul 26, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

no seriously , he has something wrong with him

but I thought he had off-the court gun issues , right ?

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

That too. I think that has been resolved. Here it is:
When West missed some time last season while seeking treatment for depression (reported later to be “a mood disorder,” then bipolar disorder), all the emphasis had been on his increased role on the Cavs and just how important he would be to a championship run. He was a veteran with a kooky streak.

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Baseline/entry/view/35737/west,_beasley_force_a_hard_look_at_mental_illness_in_the_nba#ixzz0uqf7pw7j

by E-ROC on Jul 26, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

bipolar disorder doesn't just go away

a good philosophy is to just run away if you come across it in a potential partner. It’s a very serious, almost always completely debilitating disorder. It’s at least an order or magnitude more difficult than standard depression which itself is no picnic.

Delonte West is great on our float because we can joke about how “he deserved to be there” for imploding the one team that really seemed to have our number in the regular season, but otherwise please let’s just keep the kid at arm’s length.

by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 27, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which team did Delonte West implode?

You can’t seriously be blaming him for what happened to the Cavs.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 27, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's been resolved alright,

with a guilty plea of illegal possession of weapons (2 shotgun and a pistol I believe) in NJ

He got pulled over when he cut off a cop car on the highway if I remember

Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...

by Mike1204 on Jul 27, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

the second pic is so ,,, wrong

but you can’t help but laugh

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lebron kind of looks like Amar'e there

What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?

by RudeMood19 on Jul 26, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Snitches get stitches"

“Planes, trains, and automobiles, betta have my donuts”

“hot sauce in my bag”

oh delonte you were priceless

"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules

by KBZ on Jul 26, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

dammit,

you wrote that already.

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Jul 27, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

planes, trains, or automobiles

YOU BETTER HAVE MY DONUTS.

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Jul 27, 2010 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

KAAAAHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 26, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really

Sessions to Cleveland for West who might be shown the door anyway has KAAAAAHHHHHHNNNNNNN written all over it

by Hokkun on Jul 27, 2010 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was referring to picture fail. Also, Kaaaahhhnn
Past 14 mths: Minny drafted 3 PG’s in 1st rd, signed 2 for $32m + traded for 2… Now they need 1 more cuz J. Flynn is hurt. KAHHHHHHHHHN!!!

Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Jul 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd hate that...

Barnes is a bit out there… Ron’s whacky as hell.
But Delonte West? He’s full on nuts. Scary nuts. In a very bad way.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on Jul 27, 2010 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Farmar is a good guy. I wish him well, and hope he blossoms into a top 10 pg in the league.

In Kobe we trust!

by robi s on Jul 26, 2010 8:44 PM PDT reply actions  

i always wondered what really went on in the locker room with jordan...

all this talk of him causing problems, but the “player code” prevents much from getting out… i’m totally curious.

I don’t have a problem saying, ‘Your franchise player sucks.’ - Ron Artest

by _logan_ on Jul 26, 2010 8:47 PM PDT reply actions  

my friend who is a season ticket holder has told me that the Lakers let

them see practices and that Farmar got into it with Rambis when he was an assistant. So Im thinking if he is willing to do that during practices that are held for season ticket holders how much more of a problem he must be behind closed doors.

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Jul 26, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is perfect

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 26, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

and the owner set a 5 year deadline to win a title? with these guys?

"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."

by chaucer on Jul 26, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I know

wtf

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 26, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well with Morrow a very good shooter

Harris a pg, and I forget whose down low, I think Lopez I’d say he has a decent start. I mean this really isn’t that bad and is much improved over what it was previously.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.

by Marty Mart on Jul 27, 2010 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but the Outlaw and Petro contracts were ridiculous

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 27, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry Jordan, but wearing number 2 will not give you intangibles.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Jul 27, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

what happened to the picture of the new nets players?

"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."

by chaucer on Jul 27, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

ROTFL

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 26, 2010 10:25 PM PDT reply actions  

These are better:



Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 26, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

wes is estatic about playing Portland :D

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ecstatic*

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

ecstatic for Portland*

"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs

by madmaxx350 on Jul 26, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's wearing the Farmar throwback

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Jul 27, 2010 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

kind of random but...

this image is from kobe’s photoshoot in china not too long ago. he tried to spin the ball, but said he can’t, [the finger] is “still broken”.

btw, i agree with the article. C+ is pretty fair grade for farmar.

3peat.

by LAL32 on Jul 26, 2010 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Fix it!

Czheck Productions
My Instrumentals
Woj is conducting a massive LeBook burning.

by Czheck on Jul 27, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fix it!

Czheck Productions
My Instrumentals
Woj is conducting a massive LeBook burning.

by Czheck on Jul 27, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

JFarmar

He “earned” two rings and was big in a couple of games here and there.
Farmar wants more out of his career. He wants some respect, especially
after seeing what other UCLA guards have accomplished.
Jordan is more of an instinctive player, while the Lakers need steady/heady players, like Blake and the new Orlando guy?
You might say the same for Brown as he too plays outside the system.
He won’t be mush of a loss, if he moves on.
This move is definitely better for both Farmar and the Lakers.

by Sense on Jul 27, 2010 4:46 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It seems the topic of Jordan Farmar has killed SS&R.

no credits, no new player report cards, nothing…….

where is everyone? did Brian Shaw, Ammo & Derek Fisher’s Intangibles get together and cause an apocolypse?????

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow

by LakersFoEva on Jul 27, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

is there something happening today that im unaware of?

besides this apacolypse…….

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow

by LakersFoEva on Jul 27, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

No. It's the middle of summer, and no basketball for 5 weeks.

I think people are switching to American Football now, while I am getting ready for Football. =]

Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Jul 27, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

i agree, things will start picking up when the season is about to begin

but right there’s not much going on, things are at a lull. compared to some other sites, this site is exploding with comments and posts right now

3peat.

by LAL32 on Jul 27, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of football, I have a kinda weird question

I moved to the US a couple years ago & didn’t know much about football. Then I started to get the hang of it & kinda liked it. But i can’t really enjoy it without rooting for a team. So i thought it’d be fun to run a quick vote to see which team should I root for.
one bit of info: i live in NYC, so I’m kinda leaning towards either the Giants or Jets but not necessarily, I have been rooting for the Lakers long before I moved to the US

by ajfarsi on Jul 27, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's your discretion

Although from experience, my foreign friends tend to become fans of teams due to a single player or personality on a certain team, hence the large amounts of Colts fans I have for friends.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 27, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

StarCraft II is released today I believe

so 90% of the Korean guys south of the DMZ will most likely be in a line

well, them and the geeks we have on American soil. LOL

Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...

by Mike1204 on Jul 27, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Farmar

Article omitted one important fact…….Farmar possess the basketball IQ of an amoeba.

by Keller1 on Jul 27, 2010 4:43 PM PDT reply actions  

No need to repeat the same thing 4 times.

Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.

"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken

by Saurav A. Das on Jul 28, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

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