Defensive rating
by rballer on Jul 25, 2010 1:12 PM PDT
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So i was over at Pounding the Rock (spurs blog) and they had this FanPost about Defensive Stoppers in NBA. Obviously, most of the popular defenders were popped up and they used On/Off court defensive rating differentials to show where they stand. Well first of all I dont know how that Rating works up, and if some one can explain that I would appreciate it. Anyhow, this was the list provided by the fans there with the numbers (note: the more negative means the better the defender) :
Ariza: 0.239
Hill:1.022
Battier: -1.478
Artest: -4.656
Bell: N/A
Posey: 0.31
Jackson: 3.245
Wallace: -0.233
Deng: -2.927
Kobe: -3.563
Rondo: -1.081
Parker: -0.767 (Not bad!)
Manu: 0.832
Butler: -1.764
Jones: 0.761
Barnes: -1.185
Jefferson: -2.471 (wow!)
Lebron: -1.128
Bogans: 1.371
Udoka: -3.703
Temple: -2.439 (limited minutes)
Chilai: -5 (definitely worth kneeling before) (I am guessing this guy is just a commenter and its an inside joke?)
What the numbers (and again i dont know how that number was calculated) show is that Kobe is a really good defender (we already knew) and LeBron is no where close to be considered an elite defender.
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If negative means good...
then the Lakers are STAAAAAAACKED.
i got it off Spurs blog
the link for the post is: http://www.poundingtherock.com/2010/7/23/1585170/defensive-stoppers-a-myth
the person who calculated it said:
I downloaded the data from basketbalvalue.com and made the calculations manually for On/Off court defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions). The reason you dont see Sefolosha is because Chilai did not mention him initially, I just went with his list.
Sefo: 2.808 completely against the common assessment of his defense by mostly everyone.
“If an expert says it can’t be done, get another expert”
- DBG
by LasEspuelas on Jul 24, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know how these numbers were reached but compared to the rest of the people, Artest’s -4.656 is God-like. Whatever it is, it’s nice to see a way to measure good defense in a number.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Can you say, "lockdown?"
Kobe+Artest+Barnes= -10
and they’re only the wing defenders. We still have Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Manhood Knowledge in the back ready to erase any mistakes…
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
And Machine has the entire country of Slovenia on lockdown.
by JustRuntheOffense on Jul 25, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
"Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia,' but only slightly less well-known is this, "Never get into a pissing contest with Kobe Bryant!"
by bigdeal1188 on Jul 26, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Everything seems to be in order...
except that I’d expect Battier to be much higher. He’s a beast on defense.
by JustRuntheOffense on Jul 25, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions
If these numbers are calculated the way I think they are...
whereas it is a comparative differential of the team defense when the specific player is on the court as compared to when they are not on the court (and the sub is in for them)….
I would think more than anything it measures the drop-off in defense of the sub vs. starter more than anything else (and thus it says more about the sub’s defense capability more than anything else).
For example as a hypothetical, pretend Artest has 100% the exact same defense this upcoming year as compared to this past year in all aspects including intensity, spacing, minutes, intelligence, stats, etc (I know this isn’t possible, its just a hypothetical to understand the numbers above). Now this upcoming 2009-2010 year I expect Artest’s numbers calculated above to be MUCH worse than -4.656 because when he comes off the court, the team defense won’t suffer nearly as much since Barnes is a strong defender and although the drop off will be there, it will be a MUCH less dramatic of a drop off compared to 2008-2009 when the subs for Artest were Walton, Morrison, and short out-of-place guards.
I haven’t read the Spurs post so I am not sure if I am understanding it correctly, so please correct me if I am wrong.
Thus, I postulate that Artest’s numbers above were “God-like” in 2008-2009 as a result of AMMO’s and the rest of the bench’s suckiness on defense when Artest came out of the game.
finally, a good use for AMMO
AMMO should use this to raise his trade value =)
(just kidding of course)
Yeah, on/off +/- numbers are very dependent
On 1) how good your team defense is 2) how good the guy behind him is defensively.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I'm not sure, but I think these scores are relative
Meaning that, for instance, if the team defends better with Artest in than with Barnes in, then Artest should have a better rating than Barnes. So even if Barnes has a good rating, Artest’s should be even better, all other things remaining equal.
Of course, most of the time, all other things don’t remain equal. There are equations that are used to account for many of them, the details of which are beyond the scope of this comment. :)
Artest will definately have a better number than Barnes
But Artest’s numbers above will be affected just as much by Barnes play when Artest is on the bench as by Artest’s own play himself (since it compares the defense when the player is on the court compared to when the sub is in).
Conversely, Barnes number above will be affected by Artest’s play when Barnes is on the bench so Barnes number will drop this coming year since his defensive isn’t as strong as Ron’s.
Actually, if I understand it correctly, if there is primarily one exclusive sub for one position/player, one of the two players will have a negative number and the other will have have to have a positive number. They can’t both have “good numbers” as calculated from this post.
—- The reason is because although the defense may overall suffer (a bit) when Artest comes out and is replaced by Barnes (thus giving Ron a decent negative number), when Barnes sits on the bench (before and after Artest’s play) the defense can’t also be suffering overall again with Barnes (and give Barnes a decent negative number as well)… since Ron will be playing. … (The Lakers can’t be more both more efficient defensively when Ron plays vs when he is out and Barnes is in and also more efficient defensively when Banes plays vs when he is out and Artest is in)
From the Spurs blog post, there doesn’t seem to be any compensation to help fix the numbers to prevent it from just being a defensive efficiency number of the starter vs. the bench that comes in for him
Actually, you are incorrect
I calculated Ammo’s defensive on/off rating and he’s actually at -50,000. Basically every time he’s on the court the Lakers are destroying their opponent by at least 10 points. Something to do with “garbage time”.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
haha, I remember the Lakers bench never could keep a lead last year no matter how seemingly big
and Kobe would need to come back in after expecting to be done for the game.
I’m glad that won’t be a problem this year, especially to give Kobe the rest.
As long as AMMO doesn’t end up in Miami or Boston, we won’t have to worry about the invisible mind assassin giving us payback. The only reason he has to stay on the bench is because it is only in sitting position that can his meditation reak havok upon opposing teams. He is Jackson’s Cerebro Machine.
The scary thing about the Lakers is that between Ron and Barnes, one of them will be on the floor at all times. Throw in the fact that Kobe is a solid perimeter defender and you have the best perimeter defense in the NBA. With Pau, Drew, LO and some manhood knowledge down low that makes the best overall defense in the NBA by far.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Lakers are going to be a nightmare for opposing perimeter players
Ron, Barnes, Kobe, and Sasha (its debatable whether his overall defensive ability is good, but it is not debatable that he is an extremely pesky defender that gets under the skin of his guy and can drive them nuts).
I can see the playoffs getting pretty really rough on the perimeter with a handful boat-full of techs. (read: exciting and good for the lakers)
LeBron and Wade will have a ton of trouble scoring on the Lakers.
If they even make the Finals, that is.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Rondo did emphasize today
that he is not worried about Miami because, “they ain’t done nothing.” Instead, he’s concerned about being able to beat L.A. I was like, hell yea!
Kobe:I got one MORE THAN Shaq. You can take that to the bank.
by Brownnel2000 on Jul 25, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I love lists and stats because it gives fans something to hope for..
but in terms of defense give me Kobe, Artest, Barnes any day of the week. Numbers are great and so are stats especially when they come from someone who has never stepped foot on an NBA pro game.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Basically.....
in the words of my man Mike Tyson, the Lakers’ defense is “impregnable.” YOU CAN’T IMPREGNATE OUR DEFENSE.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
by pharoah on Jul 25, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well if any fan looks at that list and they see any player on their team on that list
he/she would get the impression that they have a great defensive team. Without looking at that list I cannot think of any team that has three defensive players that are of the caliber of Kobe, Artest and Barnes.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
simply put..I dont really put any emphasis on this type of list or stats
I think that it makes for interesting conversation but if I was a GM I would not trade or sign a player on these type of stats. I would learn more from watching a player play rather than what some statistician tells me.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Daryl Morey would care to disagree with you
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
who?
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
still dont get it
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Daryl Morey is GM of the Rockets
and he’s famous for using every type of stat to measure a player’s effect on the court. The Rockets have their own internal system of evaluating data. They also form many of their offensive and defensive strategies on the data.
It goes beyond efficiency, they even measure stuff like which spots on the floor Kobe shoots worst from, Battier gets the data, and tries to funnel him to those spots.
This is a long article, but it will explain some of these points better and is also a phenomenal read and a must-read for any basketball/ sports fan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
lol i thought it was a short read
till i scrolled down and saw 8 pages…thats where i stopped
lol either way he didnt just post Daryl Morey's name
assuming that I knew who he was. He isnt and ego-maniac.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
wow! deadmuse
thank you. I understand. thank you. I will read the article. Some fans just post comments to feed their ego. You dont assume that I know who he is and I appreciate that. thnx for the link.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
...
Feed my ego? I posted an instance of where your comment was almost entirely wrong — Morey, a GM who uses various statistical metrics to make player decisions. We generally make assumptions in discussion here that we understand the context of whatever each other is talking about; if I had been online to see your comment in response asking who he was, I would have answered you. The aggrandizing move would have been not to answer your question, which I would not have done.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
fair enough..
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
nah, Ben R is cool
we just use a shorthand chat with a lot of inside jokes and inside references here which takes a while to get used to. The more you read the more things will make sense. I can imagine about 50% of the stuff we say is impossible to understand without that context. Keep reading, I promise you this is by far the best, smartest, and funniest Lakers forum in the internet. :)
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
thank you for that again
I will try and become more aware of what is said. Really appreciate the explanation. That is really nice of you. : )
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
my apologies for not being clear enough. : )
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
lol i just glanced at that
and i am not even going to try to understand that lol…seems too much work
So, if those are the numbers of defensive stoppers...
What’s the average? Is it zero?
"Anyone crazy enough to mess with me is crazy enough to play with me." - Kobe
No,
its really relative. 0 just means that there is not defensive dropoff between when you’re on the floor and when you leave the floor.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
this is exactly what I am referring to and why these type of lista are hard to put any weight on
No Sefolosha. Wow!
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Not really
OKC was in general, a solid defense team, so there wasn’t that much drop-off when Sefolosha left the court, so his numbers aren’t very prominent here.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
"team" yes but this list is referring to individual performance.
either way, based on this list you would rather have Barnes over Sefolosha then right?
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
One more thing that might suck for Sefo is that he might be the best defender on his team. Lets say that he is always covering the most dynamic scorer of the opposing team, say against LAL Kobe and he shadows him through the game (he goes to the bench when Kobe does) then his number might suck because he might have the most difficult assignment.
by LasEspuelas on Jul 24, 2010 2:07 PM PDT
thank you...
where did you get that from? the people on this site have to be the smartest basketball players I have seen in such a short time.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
not really they just got the data from basketballvalue
the link to that was provided above by agradecimiento a dios… but i am still lost what it means though lol thats why i posted it here hoping some one will explain it
lol..
It is still interesting but kine of hard to follow.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
It means that
when Sefo is on the floor he guards Kobe giving him the most difficult assignment on the floor. When Kobe leaves the floor, Sefo leaves the floor. This means the dropoff isn’t as relevant as if another player was guarding Kobe when Sefo wasn’t on the floor. Was that clear? I tried to do my best.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
I'm not that big a fan of on/off statistics
Because there’s so much context to consider with the team and its makeup. Opposing PER is a more convenient statistic IMO.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
what's a good source for getting the PER against of the players on this list?
it’d be useful to compare that number to these calcs.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
I think 82games.com has it
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by DexterFishmore on Jul 25, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of basketballvalue.
Adjusted plus minus is too “noisy” as in inconsistent.
But there are better sites out there for objective analysis.
Of course this being an LA forum, rarely will you see a deep statistical analysis here. Pretty much every barometer ranks Kobe NOT first, and that pisses everyone off. Oh well.
Right
We hate stats around here.
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by DexterFishmore on Jul 25, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Any stat that doesn't rank your guy first overall.
Sure.
by huevonkiller on Jul 25, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
OHAI, huevonkiller
Banned again.
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by DexterFishmore on Jul 25, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
lmao
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
lol, busted!
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
Miami Heat trolls are clever
Creating new usernames after previous bannings. HOW WILL WE EVER SEE THROUGH HIS FIENDISH DISGUISE?
I guess we should get used to this sort of thing.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Jul 25, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
They're no match for Dex, The Banninator
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
Wait, did you really ban him? He said nothing out of line....
Wow, Did you really verify or did you just have a hunch that it was a previously banned user?
Did he say something offensive?
LAWL (when lol doesn’t cut it)
Ummm, nothing out of line? How about...
Of course this being an LA forum, rarely will you see a deep statistical analysis here
That was as passive-aggressive as it gets.
Side Note: Where’s the “KA-BAN!,” Dex? =)
Kobe is like constantly in Kill Mode - Ron Artest
Where was it, you mean.
It was around 4:30 ago.
That's not really out of line.
It’s a dick thing to say but I wouldn’t call it out of line.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
I understand that.
But I’m backing up the point that he didn’t say anything out of line this time. But if he’s posted here before and been banned under that same IP address, it really doesn’t matter what he said.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Which is subjective.
But as far as I’m concerned, it wouldn’t be out of line if he didn’t have his given history.
he has a history here
basically a few weeks ago, he came here and spat out a bunch of random stats without any kind of conclusion in order to incite a hostile reaction and piss people off.
This is what was his intended purpose for coming here and posting his crap which he told me:
Clearly you don’t understand the purpose of a forum I can call the Lakers pathetic, garbage, trash, say Kobe’s a loser and a terrible player. As long as I don’t insult people personally with vulgarities, then it should be fine. They are public figures, not actual posters in the forum.
when that goes against our terms/ agreements:
SSR: If you come in here just trying to stir up trouble, making comments to try to bait or incite, or making generally ridiculous statements along the lines of "Kobe’s worthless," you will be ignored. If you keep it up for no reason, you will be made to leave.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Also:
Thou shalt respect the wishes of the admins and moderators
This is more of a catch-all than an actual rule, because it would be impossible to list out every type of negative scenario we wish to avoid. Sufficed to say, if one of our fine authors or moderators ask you to do something, like say drop an argument that’s going nowhere, or stay away from using a certain phrase, just do it.
Wondahbap told him to stop repeating the same point incessantly, and instead of following this rule, he opted to imply Wondah was a facist.
Also, did he really say that first quote? LOL. He obviously never read the rules.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 26, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah he said that
I got into a little spat with him over at the heat blog cause he accused the mods over here of being “cowards” for banning him and told me this in one of his comments to justify the garbage he posted over here.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
LOL.
Just link him the rules. Section you quoted, and the section I quoted
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 26, 2010 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Another rules quote:
The first rule of SSR is don’t disrespect Shaw. The second rule of SSR is don’t disrespect Shaw! The third rule is, if this is your first post, you must pay homage to Ammo.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Nail on the head.
But if he’s posted here before and been banned under that same IP address, it really doesn’t matter what he said.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 26, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, my bad you are right NexcNguy. He is somewhat out of line. But said no profanity, although he can be classified as a troll.
I see i didn’t read his comment well, But then again… he has a point since not all of us are stat buffs here, hence, it’s not offensive. We just love this team, And for his love for stats, I see why this “Huevonkiller” is a Heat fan. lol. (I heard someone say he was a Heat fan btw)
There is no point...
and he has no love for stats. He is also not a a Heat “fan”. He is a troll.
The only thing I’ll concede is we love this team.
BTW, profanity is allowed here so that wouldn't get him banned.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
damn fuckin' right! :D
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
He's a bandwagoner.
Guess who of?
Profanity is allowed here. He didn’t do anything constituting a ban on that account, but when Dex went to give him a warning for trolling/generalising about a fanbase repeatedly; he noticed he possessed the same IP as a troll banned a week or so ago for multiple infractions, hence the ban was automatic.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 26, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
just to clarify why he deserved to get banned
It wasn’t just that he kept pushing stats as part of his argument, it was that he droned on and on, mindlessly, pointlessly, posting the same thing. One a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 crossing the line, he was in the 40s when mods gave him the boot.
"The Lakers are ninja negotiators. Straight. fuckin. ninjas." -rshinsec
"This isn't an apocalypse. It’s a motherf***ing war." -Hdg23
Lets not turn this site into Gs of Mind now. Give people the benefit of the doubt
Its like the Salem Witch trials over at that blog.
Are you a troll?!
You are sounding like a troll!
Im not a troll I swear!
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
by RA37thriller on Jul 25, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
once again
the poster in question has a history here.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Yeah I know its that huevenkiller guy
Just saying. Lets not get accusation crazy. I enjoy debating with enemy bloggers.
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
by RA37thriller on Jul 25, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If you really miss him
I’m sure you can find him over at the SBN Heat blog.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Jul 25, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I have been indeed. I've been having a blast.
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
by RA37thriller on Jul 25, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
uhhhh you dont want to get into a debate with that guy
he’s a prick to outsiders over at the Heat Blog.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
How can HE call people 'outsiders' on the Heat blog when he's a bandwagoner of one player who just moved teams?
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 26, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
a team that hasnt proved anything
and they’re talking about them as though they have won multiple championships.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
dont argue with an idiot. you will have to go down to his level to get your point across and he has more experience.
that was deep
by wickedskillz on Jul 28, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Why debate with this guy
It’s as disappointing as a bot on an adult chat
Kobe, God and I don't tweet. Everyone else does.
LOL
Personal experience, there? :P
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 27, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
lol so i've heard
Kobe, God and I don't tweet. Everyone else does.
He's a repeat offender
He was banned previously for trolling. We can tell when someone is logging back in under a new alias.
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on Jul 25, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We KNOW he's a previously banned user.
We have our ways of monitoring user accounts.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 25, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
lol isnt it a really easy way to do it
i was an admin at a site and it just shows it right away the IP address the same account has used :P
Yep.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 26, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
wow! i asked my gf to translate and his name means "Appreciate God"...lol
ironic for someone so full of hatred.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
He needs to understand that...
as far as the NBA is concerned, Kobe is God.
by shoang1993 on Jul 25, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
oh shit.. lol good one.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
I hope we can turn your post green.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
sweet
u are the best. thnx.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
What I got out of that story is that you’re too lazy to find an online translator.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
Over-speculation? (On your part)
Jealousy because he has a girlfriend? (On your part)
Too lazy to find an online translator? (On his part)
The world may never know.
by shoang1993 on Jul 25, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol!
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
lol
"Better learn not to talk to me. You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."- Kobe Bryant to JR Smith,who was talking trash, after dropping 49pts,10assits on the Nuggets in Game 2 of the '08 First round playoffs
huh? that went past me.
was that an insult?
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Dude, you're too lazy to figure out when someone is insulting you?!
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
not really lazy I just prefer to keep the peace.
By not paying any attention to insults it makes me a better person. I rather just laugh it and let it go. Not really worth it. So I guess by me not putting effort into insults then I guess I am lazy in that way. : )
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
oh shit! I get it you are a Cavs fan. Never mind..lol
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
what do these numbers mean?
little confused
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
don't have time to take a close look
But I think that what they represent are differences in opponent scoring per 100 possessions with the player on the court as compared with off the court. So, for instance, suppose that opponents score 105 points per 100 possessions with Kobe on the court, but they score 108 points per 100 possessions with Kobe off the court. Kobe would then have a defensive rating, in these units, of -3. (As the original poster mentioned, negative is better, positive is worse.)
The question then arises of whether these numbers are adjusted for teammates and opposing players. This can be done using some kind of linear regression. (There are theoretical issues with doing so, but the statistical engineering is sound.) If they are, then the comment I made above about Artest as compared with Barnes holds; if they aren’t, then it doesn’t, necessarily.
Does anyone else thing Big Baby looks like Prince Fielder
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
"Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia,' but only slightly less well-known is this, "Never get into a pissing contest with Kobe Bryant!"
by bigdeal1188 on Jul 26, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
"Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is 'Never get involved in a land war in Asia,' but only slightly less well-known is this, "Never get into a pissing contest with Kobe Bryant!"
by bigdeal1188 on Jul 26, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
by RA37thriller on Jul 26, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
NO TACOS =
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
OT, but what is up with the dudes with long fingernails? That's why Pau finishes every single game with girlfriend scratches all over his arms.
GET THE NAIL CLIPPERS, BOYS. IT’S OKAY TO USE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
I once heard Reggie Miller say he rarely clipped his nails while he was playing.
He used them as weapons.
"Before I write I let my mind go blind and let the Lord do His thing. " -Tupac Shakur
"Opportunity is missed by most people because it looks like work." -Thomas Edison
heard Prince doesnt talk much with his father
apparently he tried to take some of his money, so they broke ties.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Wow
never thought I’d see a reference to the Brewers. Makes me almost miss home, except then I remember how the team flirts with the playoffs every year and then utterly fails
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Joshua S.
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