Lakers Come to Very Favorable Terms with Point Guard Steve Blake
by Josh Tucker on Jul 2, 2010 5:42 PM PDT
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PrintYou probably have already heard it, but I'll tell it to you anyways. Reports are that the Lakers have come to an agreement with free agent point guard Steve Blake. According to these reports, the agreement is for $16 million over four years, evenly distributed at $4 million per year.
Here's the deal. We love you, Jordan Farmar... it's just that we can probably love you a little better from afar. And we'll never get tired of Shannon Brown's dunks, but we've all known for a long time that neither of those guys was suited to take over at the point guard spot. Heck, neither of them can even be counted on to be reliable as a backup guard.
So with the off-season's only serious question answered yesterday (that one dude, what's his name? Oh yeah, Phil something...), the issues remaining to address have been depth at the point guard and center positions. This takes care of the former.
I'm not going to do a lot of editorializing for you, here, because truth be told, there are guys that know more about Steve Blake than me. But here's some info I've put together for you, so that you don't have to go searching for it elsewhere.
Playing for the Clippers and Blazers last year, Blake averaged 7.3 points and 4.8 assists in only 27 minutes per game. (If you're wondering, that's a rate that would translate to 9.7 points and 6.4 assists per 36 minutes). He shot .395 from the three, which makes me very happy, because he'll really be able to help us space the floor on offense. In fact, over the last two years he has mostly shot in the low-40% range from long distance. Nooiice. Our own Gil Meriken had this to say about him as a shooter:
My first thought, as an observer of live Clippers games, is that Blake is a willing passer, sometimes too much so, and he needs to shoot once in a while (he has a very nice touch), just to be regarded as a scoring threat.
Fortunately, Kobe and the Lakers coaching staff are known for giving shooters confidence and encouraging them to shoot the ball when they're open, so I'm not expecting any undue hesitancy to be a problem. Meanwhile, he's known as a very smart player who makes the right decisions. This from Eric Pinkus, via Twitter:
I covered Blake with the Clippers – very, smart player – coach’s mind – good locker room guy – good quotes
He's a seven-year veteran, 30 years old, and I've heard that he's a solid defender — though others will have to weigh in here, as I have little other than my own recollection of what essentially amounts to hearsay on which to base that last assertion. At the end of the day, however, it would seem that the Lakers have signed someone from whom we can likely expect willing passing, good outside shooting, good defense, and solid, consistent performance overall. When Fisher re-signs (don't worry, he will), the Lakers will be looking pretty good at was once a glaringly weak position.
And the best news of all is that the Lakers reportedly got Blake for very favorable terms. $16 million for four years should make all those who shuddered at the Mike Miller rumors ($30 million for five) happy. Considering that five other teams wanted Blake, per ESPN's Chris Sheridan. I'd be willing to bet you most, if not all, of those five teams were willing to pay him more than what he has accepted from L.A. Via Twitter (as always, these days), Woj said the same:
Steve Blake could’ve signed for more money elsewhere, but wisely chases ring with Lakers at 4 years for $16 million. Shrewd signing for L.A.
That's about everything I know on the matter, which makes this my second short post of the day. In related news, there are some reports that the sky may be beginning to fall. Back to you guys...
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I was a little skeptical at first but...
the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. This could turn out rather nicely for the Lake Show. Blake should fit well in the triangle I think.
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blake would be steady back-up for fisher
i like the way he played in portland. didn’t really noticed him in any clippers game but that must be coz i don’t watch them…
Back-up??
I thought he was starting…
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
he's really good w trigonometry
w hi basketball iq, triangle offense won’t be a problem
As long as Phil is HC, I think Fish will start.
Especially with Kobe. Fish is his favorite player to play next to.
Sooner or later... reality will have to set in.
I love Fish. I love what he’s done for LA and I love the passion he brings to the floor every night.
But the guy’s getting on… and I think it’s fair to say he’s not really a starter any more.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
but he's still a finisher
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by KBZ on Jul 2, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
Rec more please
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
I think fish will def start
but i think he will split minutes or concede more to Blake, especiialy in the reg season
OMG YESS!!!
Steve Blake is PERFECT for the triangle. He can shoot 3’s really well and is an excellent ball-handler. Furthermore, I’m sure he’s a good defender because i watched a few portland games last season and every single time they put Blake on Lebron and he actually does a decent job of slowing him down. This is a steal at $4 mil per year.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
all we need now is Morrow and a backup center.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
i saw his career stats. they are bad. even 3 point shooting is bad. the guy is a career back up, not sure why we’re getting all excited. oh and i think ridnour, who isn’t great either, is better than him. he had agreed to sign for 4 million less. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkmXDHCaiPYD01C9v0CJMPC8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz070210
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
wait. it was earl watson’s career stats i saw. watson is the bad 3 point shooter. my bad.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
haha ok in that case i agree
watson is the last guy i want on our team.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
LOL, I was gonna say.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't really need him to do that much...
We just need him to not screw up too much, make some 3s and give us some defense. Based on his turnovers, 3 point percentage (which should look better joining Kobe and co.) we should be okay if you’re a stats guy.
As for D I don’t feel like looking up advanced stats, but I did notice in Portland that he seemed like a decent part of a defensive system.
Jury’s out, but it seems like a good bet.
Stats alone are for guys like Hollinger.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Um, WHAT?
even 3 point shooting is bad. the guy is a career back up,
Career 39% from deep?
Also, he’s started ore than half the games in his career.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Little Nate broke Blake's ankles and Blake repays him back in second half.
by E-ROC on Jul 2, 2010 6:03 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
How do you guys think the minute distribution will be split between him and Fish?
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
I say it will be even (20-25 min each)
Fish starts, Blake comes in early to play with bench. Blake starts the second half with the first unit, Fish finishes the 4th, especially in clutch situations.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Probably a fairly even 50-50 split
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
ditto
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
That's what
I’m agreeing with E-ROC’s comment
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
LOL
Don’t think twice about the length of your posts Josh. Some of us actually like it that way. We may rib you on it, but a lengthily elucidated post is always better than a short one that raises more questions than answers.
On the chicken little, sky is falling thing. if we’re on the same page, I say bring it on! Beating them would make our team beyond legendary status. It would be on heroic level.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
lol again
I forgot about your main point. Blake is the man! You were on point again on him considering the chip as a factor (I thought about it too, but was more pessimistic). One word – WOOOOOOOTTTT!
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
Not only that...
But, basically we’re all a bunch of fanatics here (that all read faster than average, I’d guess) so you can probably write as long of a post as you want and if we have to, we’ll read it over multiple days if it really interests us.
The only real trick is not fluffing up the points which I don’t really see a lot of sports writers do (maybe Bill Simmons, but he gets some slack because he’s sometimes very funny, despite being a Laker/Kobe hater).
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
great signing for us
his great shooting from behind the arc along with solid passing makes him a great fit for the triangle.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
One small downside:
With Brown and Farmar both likely gone, we have virtually no athleticism at the PG position anymore.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
by akb24b on Jul 2, 2010 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
dont worry
we should still have AMMO. Hes the most athletic player in the league. Hopefully Mitch gives him and Mbenga max contracts.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Jul 2, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Back from a conference, first rec
This rec is for truth, justice, and the American Way.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
3 pt shooting is what we needed more.
If you want high-flying dunks, Devin Ebanks can provide that for us.
consistency and most of all
consistency in making the right decision.
I don't like superstitious people. They're bad luck.
by Rich Langford on Jul 2, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Great point sir
I personally wanted to stay away from Blake and go for a George Hill – type PG, simply because he is very similar to Fish:
Smart (good for running triangle)
Doesn’t need ball to be effective
Good shooter
Not athletic
Hopefully Javaris Crittenton works out and fills the speedy guard role vacated by Farmar and Brown. Or better yet, I hope Shannon re-signs.
George Hill?
Do you realize that the Spurs are/were shopping Parker because they want to turn the team over to Hill?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 2, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He said a Hill-type point guard, not Hill himself
Which basically means Kyle Lowry, although I don’t think our chances of getting him were ever realistic.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Ah so sorry.
Unless you are naming names it seems odd to name types of players. But I should have read closer.
I guess I would want a Rose or Wade type player…: )
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 2, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, why would Lowry be a Hill type player?
They seem like very different guards.
Lowry is 6 0 and 205, a real hard nosed bruiser, shooting only 27% from 3 and less than 40 % from the field, and Hill is 6 2 and 180, shooting 40% from 3 and almost 47% from the field.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, misread his post
Thought he meant an athletic point, which basically is Lowry more or less. Lowry is also probably the best defensive point available.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
We'll see with Brown
He took less to stay with us once before. I bet he takes a little less to stay with us now. As long as some crazy person doesn’t offer him the whole MLE. Because we’re not going to pay him 16M/4 yrs like Blake. I’d honestly consider 12.5M/5 years, but it’s not my money. He did play better in a contract year, but despite that he apparently is very coachable with a good attitude.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we keep him.
Look at the roster:
PG: Fisher, Blake
SG: Kobe, Sasha
SF: Artest, Walton, Ebanks
PF: Pau, Odom, Caracter/Powell (the final decision will be made in training camp as to which of them makes the team, I bet)
C: Drew
Obviously, first order of business is a backup Center with the just under 2 million of the MLE LA has left.
After that, our big man positions are essentially set. I’ve seen many people suggest the names of various small forwards whom LA may wish to sign, but SF is also pretty set. Guard depth is the weak point, so I think Shannon will come back for 3 years, 10 million or so to play backup combo guard.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
No matter how you slice it, that would mean we’d be paying 7+ million for the 4th and 5th guards. Unless Shannon signs for about the same amount as he was paid last year, I doubt he’s back.
I'll repeat my idea on the other board --WHY!>!>!>!
Mitch, it is not too late…please, by all means, go with Miller!!! Here is a nice comparison regarding their efficiency:
FG% 41.6, 3pt% 39.5, TS% 53.9, eFG% 52.7
FG%, 50.1, 3pt% 48.0, TS% 62.3, eFG% 59.6
Now, i would love to tell you that the first line is Mike Miller and the second line is Steve Blake. Unfortunately, that would be incorrect. The only thing that Steve Blake actually does slightly above average, 3pt%, Mike Miller is one of the best in the league at with a ridiculous 48% 3 point shot last year! Everything else, it is not even close. Mike Miller is a very above average stat stuffer. Rebounds, assists, play making, length at 6’8’’, etc. Steve Blake is an overrated back up PG! Just check out their efficiency numbers. Blake, one of the most inefficient players in the NBA, shooting an abysmal 41%. Compare this to one of the most efficient perimeter players in the NBA, Mike Miller shooting 50% FG, a ridiculous 59.6 eFG% and 62.3 True Shooting percentage! 62.3 is a ridiculous number. That is past pau gasol territory and into Bynum territory. A ridiculous number for a perimeter player.
And that’s what we need on our team, efficiency, since there won’t be too many shots with the other guys on the floor. And to call Steve Blake good at defense is ridiculous. he is horrible at defense.
Mike Miller is a point forward, think about a Lamar that can shoot lights out but with less defensive and rebounding capabilities.
And the price difference is $2 million…i know it is not my money, but we are talking about a drastic difference in talent/ability and in the end, what each individual brings to the Lakers. Please Buss, go with Miller and send Blake where he belongs, the d-leagues.
by plyka on Jul 2, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Actually, the difference is $16 million+
Which is doubled by the luxury tax. I think we would all prefer Miller, but that was a bit of a pope dream from the start.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
pipe*
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Meh, the Pope might have had a dream too. Never know with these guys.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
i like Pope dream better
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by KBZ on Jul 2, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The difference is also position
I’d love to have Miller. Love it.
But we need the point guard position much, much more than we need another swingman.
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but why?
Phil Jackson has won 11 championship rings. Tell me which of his teams had PG as a strong position? Let’s say that their PG was one of their top 3 players. Not even close. PJ Armstrong, Paxon? An old and abused Ron Harper? One of the worst players in the NBA, Derek Fisher? The Lakers have always had horrible players at the PG, why should we spend $4m per year on a sub-par point guard? Why not sign some guy to the vet minimum or bring up a d-leager? All we need is a guy who can shoot and play defense. Dorrell Wright anyone for the minimum?
On the other hand we are severely lacking in efficiency on offense. We won last year due to our defense, while our offense was lacking. Especially with a hurt Bynum. It was Kobe and Pau, and basically nothing else. Mike Miller, one of the most efficient players in the NBA, would be an absolute perfect fit. I mean, if he is this efficient on the Wizards, what would he be with all the open shots he would get on the lakers?
The lakers offense was lacking last year, and it was lacking bad. Miller would have been perfect, but that dream is now long gone.
No one's talking about great point guards. Just reliable ones.
Say we don’t need it all you want, but we do.
But I think the bigger problem here is that you’re assuming that Miller was actually an option. It seems quite likely he wasn’t. So which do you prefer: a real Steve Blake, or an imaginary Mike Miller?
The Threepeat Countdown Begins. Wins Needed: 16...
Well said.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
Magic and arguably JW when he played the 1
That’s when the Lakers had a 2 HOFers for PGs. You must be under 20 because they were the best and everybody knows it. Maybe you spoke w/o thinking or were thinking in today’s terms, but still, you gotta’ give the great ones their due.
You need a defensive PG
All the past PGs Phil loves are long armed defenders. He got stuck with Fish by default.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 2, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Signing Miller and possibly signing Earl Watson would have been awesome as well.
I think difference is negligible between Miller and Blake, but I prefer Steve Blake filling a void at a premium position than signing Miller, who I thought was a luxury if anything else.
Blake is NOT terrible at defense.
the blazers put him on LEBRON for crying out loud, and he did a decent job too. and just because we signed Blake doesn’t mean we can’t sign Miller. IMO, its a decision between Miller and Morrow.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
We just burned most of our MLE for Blake
And Miller would require nearly the full MLE. If we’re signing a wing at this juncture, it’s likely Raja Bell for the minimum.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Unless we do a sign and trade with Sasha or Luke.
I don’t know how the numbers could or would work out, but it is still an option.
That said, Phil like Luke and won’t be getting rid of him, and Sasha knows the offense very well and can run at the 1 and 2. I don’t see it happening, but it is a possibility.
It would be possible
But we would need to give up another small asset to reach Miller’s asking price and that would be someone like Caracter. It’s a long shot for it to happen, although I could see the Lakers’ FO being aggressive this summer.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
you're probably right
still, we got Blake for cheap IMO.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Oh, definitely
Orlando probably would have given him $20-25 million. The contract we gave him is good value in this market.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Miller would likely require more than the MLE… He made 9 million last year and estimates I read point to him getting 7-8. The only way Lakers could get him is by Miller being willing to take less to play on a championship team. The Lakers talked to Miller. If he had wanted to play for the Lakers for less I guess he would have.
He did say he wanted to play for the Lakers...
But, he’s an NBA player so I doubt he takes a paycut.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Corrected
NBA player that hasn’t gotten his biggest middle career contract. Some take smaller ones for a ring near the end, though it seems uncommon.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Another thing to consider is how well they will adapt to the trangle.
Blake is an extremely intelligent player, while Miller is a head case (from what i’ve heard), kinda like Ron-Ron.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
how?
a head case in what manner? A guy who has a true shooting percentage of almost 63%? When you say headcase i think of a guy who is obscenely selfish and likes to take bad shots. That’s obviously not Miller who is one of if not the most efficient players in the entire NBA!
Or else we are talking about off court stuff like sleeping with a teammates mom, taking anti-depressent pills, etc., like West. But i haven’t heard anything like that regarding Miller.
by head case i mean like Ron artest crazy
although maybe not at the same level lol. my point is that Blake should learn the triangle MUCH faster than miller.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
i'm not sure if this is him, but....
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
by akb24b on Jul 2, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol i got it from BDL's nba previews for 09-10
there’s like 4 others like it.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
hey look it's andrew w.k. eating nuts and cheetos.
KG’s mad though.
"I once convinced a woman that I was Kevin Costner, and it worked because I believed it" - Saul Goodman
How the HELL do you relate sanity to true shooting percentage?
Stop living off stats.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
I love guys who focus too much on stats.
R.I.P. JJ
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When you're a great 3-pt shooter
it kinda does make that happen. You realize that is one of the highest ts% in the league right. For a crazy efficient player to not have been signed up for a contract extension with whatever team, something had to have been wrong. He should be getting overpaid at this point if he’s really as valuable as you say, but obviously someone didn’t want him.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
Is he a head case
Because with all that hair his head was disproportionately more than most?
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
you are relying way too much on offensive numbers
also, we have no PGs on our team. miller plays the same positions as Artest, Odom, Bryant, Walton, maybe Ebanks, and I’ll throw Sasha in there too.
Too many wings.
You draft for talent, not need. But in Free Agency, you go for need, not talent. The Lakers needed a point guard, and Blake was one of the best available, and a perfect fit as he is already used to playing off-ball.
I don’t know where your obsession with efficiency is coming from, either.
And it’s a 32 million dollar price difference, not 2 million, I don’t know how the hell you figured that.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice pick up for you guys.
Blake holds the Blazer record 14 asst. in 1 qtr. he also has a very good asst. to turnover ratio.
Somebody step up! - Mike Rice
love it!
feeling bad for Sasha though. A backup for Kobe? or are we just keeping him for trade bait?
He feels pain...
For the way that Ammo hates him. :P
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol
Wonder if he was cursing when Vujacic showed he can dunk. Oh well, Shannon can blame his lack of lateral quickness for not returning.
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by tandur on Jul 2, 2010 11:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
A bit of both
If a good situation comes up, I expect we’d be totally willing to flip him for someone that fits a need.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
It would be nice to do a sign and trade with him for Miller
that way washington doesnt walk away empty handed and we get rid of sasha for good.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
He has 5.25 million reasons to not feel bad.
In all seriousness, I think the Lakers sign a veteran swingman as I believe they have grown tired of inconsistency from Sasha and Brown, and question marks surrounding Walton. Someone like Ryan Gomes would be awesome. Ditto for Ronnie Brewer. But I doubt those deals happen. Maybe Raja Bell or Matt Barnes.
Ronnie Brewer can’t shoot and is too much like Ebanks though …
I agree with you on Barnes, though. And contrary to most people on SS&R, I am against Raja because of his age. Maybe on a two-year deal at the vet’s min, but anything more …
Barnes
I like him too. As for Raja, I feel his age and injury history is a big risk also.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Brewer's ability off the ball. Being in the Jazz system has helped him with recognizing
holes in defenses and finding soft spots. His defense is awesome too. He’s probably expensive though.
Right now, he's our only Kobe backup.
So he’ll get about 12-13 minutes a game.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
doesnt he have a hot wife?
thats the only thing i can add to this discussion
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To us winning is a tradition. We are victors and need not explain. You may hate us, but your girlfriends love us. - BC
One more than Shaq. - Kobe answering how it felt to win Championship number 5
this is something I cannot confirm
working on it though!
"I once convinced a woman that I was Kevin Costner, and it worked because I believed it" - Saul Goodman
She's an attractive woman.
She tweeted Blake’s number. It’s gonna be #5 (I’m not sure if this is final or
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Sweet 16
by bluexfalcon on Jul 2, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I actually feel bad for Jordan. There were really high hopes for him and they just didn't pan out, with much of blame going to him, and rightfully so.
But I really hope he lands somewhere that’s good for him.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
I can see him doing well in Indiana or New York
Two systems tailor made for his talents.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I see the same thing
I just hope he doesn’t have the misfortune of playing under Don Nelson. No one should have to go through that at his senile age.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
Don't cry for me
Jordan Farmar.
He had his chances and he blew them. Play better D, don’t make yourself the focal point of the offense. He does those things and he might have become our starting PG.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
not really his fault
He’s a dribble first, penetrating PG and an energy guy. That’s his skillset, that’s what he’s best at, that’s how he likes to play the game. He never really fit in the triangle, he isn’t built for it. No knock on him but it wasn’t meant to happen and I wish him luck moving on with his career.
It's funny too
He played a similar offensive system in high school. And in college. And in the pros. And he still didn’t get it.
I see great success for him in Miami and New York though.
Twitter gets SOOO much free advertising from sports
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his wife is quite the looker
blonde hair blue eyes preety
and quite informational
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by KBZ on Jul 2, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That's actually how they met...
It’s a little known fact, but, before joining the NBA, Steve Blake was an interrogator for the FBI. She was brought in for questioning, and he had to pump her for information.
What, too far?
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by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jul 3, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
love it!
Now will Fish accept his backup making more?
I hope he will.
I also hope we up his offer a mil or at least $500K.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
I know man it would bother me to have my back-up make twice as much as me.i know he may not be worth 4 yrs 5 mil but it’s going to be a hard sell with this one.They want Fish back for 1 more year at 2 mil to me I can see their point but it can be argued Fish may be worth more.
by LakersMania on Jul 2, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Regardless of interest from Miami/Cleveland
Fish isn’t going to get $5 million per anywhere.
And I think Blake will only be his back-up until he learns the triangle.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
You guys just have the best luck. Nothing ever goes bad in LA
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as well as Eddie Murphy movies
anything he touches turns to sawdust.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Beverly Hills Cop is still a classic, I don't care what anyone says.
by rickfox on Jul 2, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, "48 Hours" too. It's just the last few, well maybe 15, years that have sucked.
Except for the “Shrek” movies, but you can’t see him in those.
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excluding Pryor, he's probably the funniest black guy to ever live in L.A.
by rickfox on Jul 2, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
depends...
On if you mean a comedian or guy overall…
Bill Hicks is the funniest comedian.
Everyone says Bill Murray is the funniest guy they’ve ever met.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Try being a Suns fan.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, exactly. Stupid free agency, turned my world upside down
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
it did this year
but think of how much Mark Cuban regrets you doing the same to him with Steve Nash.
lol, I'm not
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
No, Sarv did the right thing. 5 yr 96 mil w/ incentives that provide insurance. Amar'e's deal increases the more minutes he plays.
Sarv did exactly what he should have; NY is taking a huge risk on those creaky knees
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
true, NYK is overpaying for Amare
but Sarver could have tried for higher caliber than Warrick. Nash needs someone to pass to.
I don't think they are overpaying him per se, buut signing him 5 year 100 mil w/o any kind of insurance is very dangerous territory.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Sarver did the right thing there, but...
He gave away 3 first round draft picks, traded a very useful big (Kurt Thomas) for a trade exception and broke up a potentially amazing team by letting Joe Johnson go. He’s cheap and the fans suffer because of it. He will never spend enough to win a championship.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well... they just signed Warrick...
I’d guess Amare gone is a foregone conclusion.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Fuck warrick and fuck frye. last night I said it was a good contract, but no. Sarv overpayed to shitbags who belong on the bench.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah Frye is overpaid. $6M a year ...
But I think it might be better for you to part with Amare. In my opinion, his terrible defense almost cancels out his offensive production. Remember Game 1 of the WCF this year? I’ve seen people at the gym play more attentive defense than Amare.
Me? I don't think anyone on btots really cares b/c they think he is a self-centered, dickheaded, asshole.
Me, I’m crushed. Woke up this morning, saw that the suns signed hakim warrick, and I am probably three times over the legal alcohol limit.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
with your comment about amare. just hope warrick will turn into some kind of Amare (talent-wise)
I don't agree with that comment on amar'e. He gave it his all every night he just had his limitations. 'tis all.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't. No one ever taught him D and this year when there was more of an emphasis
he did well; his defense was what got us to the wcf.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
No one ever TAUGHT him D?
Oh man… we’re really rolling out the excuses, aren’t we?
He’s a basketball player. It’s his responsibility to develop his own skill set. If the dude didn’t play defense, that’s his own fault.
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Agree, but he also didn't go to college to learn the fundamentals.
Stat was coached by D’antoni so was D. Lee and both are though of as defensive liabilities; he is to blame but Mikey D also should be blamed.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay man... it's your team, I'll let you go through the stages of grief in whichever way you see fit...
We’re still in stage 1, right?
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What you don't agree? Amar'e is open to playing defense, but isn't really open to leaarning it, imo.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, I offer nash for Ammo.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That is extremely one-sided,
You’re gonna need more than that in order to get AMMO.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Fine, nash and hill
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Deal, nash jrich and hill for ammo and mbenga; make sure they win a 'ship ok?
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
AMMO and mbenga?
thats a guaranteed 5-peat right there.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Hell, I'll even throw clark in as sweetner if you take away all the cap space!
dumb sarver.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
so difficult to follow comments when they go completely to the right
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Kobe didn't go to college. KG didn't go to college. Dwight didn't go to college.
I think you see where this is going.
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by SoCalGal on Jul 2, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
why do you hope warrick will develop into some kind of amar'e? Yous should be glad that
the competition is reduced.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
perenial competition
we want you guys to be good enough that we have a good playoff series before beating you
Why did that please you? steve nash is probably the nicest guy out there
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh well, steve nash ain't guna win a championship and that is for sure.
I have to consider jumping a bandwagon.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He's nice and all, probably fun to hang out with...
But, I found his comments that he was having fun and that it was all about the fun in the WCF annoying and really off point. Have fun, but tear your heart out to try to win! Playoffs are serious!
by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 2, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think....
Nash is pretty serious the dude was crying when he lost. But I have to say Nash by far has the best sense of humor…. Him and Dwight would be the NBA Comedy Dream Team
The suns aren't making it back to the playoffs for a loooooong time
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it isn't fun when you're favorite player leaves your favorite team.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd much rather see warrick and frye fail and prove to sarver that he needs to be smart and willing to spend money at the same time.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry about Amar'e, man
Sarver needs to get his head out of his ass. Showed his insecurity by pressing Amar’e, when they have actually the best chance of getting him back. Just a matter of patience, and a deal a true GM could have thought of.
Worst casualty here is Nash, if the Suns can’t get another star level piece to make them a contender
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
Sarv played it safe and right; amar'e lied when he said he would take less money to be a sun even though sarv offered him nearly as much as the knicks
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know. I want amar'e come and explain face to face with nash why he is leaving; I'd be willing to bet he'd either laugh it off or burst into tears knowing that
they’ll never do a P&R ever again
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Jrich has a better shot at making an allstar game now, at least
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
for what's it worth
Gentry’s still there, so playoffs is still in the cards
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
lol, name the next best talented player next to jrich and nash?
the suns chemistry is done. I doubt that they’ll make the playoffs anytime soon; nash retires two season from now, as he’ll be depressed from going down the lottery crap chute.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Same with hill, the suns are def. going to tank this season thus wasting a year from the hill/nash magic age revival.
I don’t see them lasting 1-2 more years.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
not to rub it in
but I wonder if Amare’s decision might prompt Nash to request a trade. I can’t see him spending two years on a team that’s rebuilding.
sadly, the natural destination would be NYK if they don’t land LeBron. Maybe you can get David Lee via sign and trade?
right on bro, all agents are pricks, especially one's
named Ari.
Right Mike Miller.
by rickfox on Jul 2, 2010 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
uh oh, you used the "r" word
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
I hope Nash goes to another team that has a shot at winning a 'ship. I hope the Lakers make an offer for him.
Then I can watch nash for 82 games a season without paying for league pass.I don’t know if you guy would want him b/c he doesn’t play D but whatever. I hope D. Lee re-signs w/ NY, I think I’m going to adopt NY as my new team.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
FA ain't done yet
and the Suns just signed Warrik with how much? That leaves them with enough money to get maybe, say, Boozer
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
They don't have nearly enough money to get lee or boozer, only dumb
shitabags like warrick/frye. Sarv wanted amir johnson too; sarv doesnt wanna pay the luxury tax but he is willing to give up on amare for untalented pricks.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
how about S & Ts
for Lee/Boozer?
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
looks dumb
I know, but if Sarver is to save the Sun’s 2011 season, he needs to man up, or get a real GM quick
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
lol
the suns would go the shit can as fast as you can say turrible
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
If amar'e was still onboard, I wouldn't have minded, but I dont care anymore
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
ah
but as a fan, you have to. thru thick and thin, you know?
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
I did, for eight years, but now it is time to move on.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude...
Turn off that Cure CD, climb off that ledge, and grow a pair. It’s time to move on? Really? That’s just a sign you were never a true Suns fan to begin with. Go talk to Cubs fans. Go talk to Cleveland fans. Hell, go talk to Raider fans—you think it’s been easy for us to always be optimistic since that horrendous Super Bowl meltdown? Think again.
C’mon, at least your team has been competitive, and been considered legitimate contenders. You think you have it bad? You don’t know what bad is. If you want to be a leech, and hop from team to team as soon as things start to head south, then that’s your own business.
But please don’t try to convince the rest of us that you’re a legitimate fan when you’re clearly not.
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by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jul 3, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
lol you beat me to it!
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
lmao!
sorry Bkj, can’t help it
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
Help what?
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
can't help but laugh
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
I really don't mind.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck him, I don't care. Let him do what he does after ever signle successful season, blow up the team.,
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Amar'e has to cooperate and he won't; especially since amar'e doesn't wanna go to utah.
Lee also has to cooperate.
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by Bkj on Jul 2, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Sarver may have played it safe
but it’s the way the contract is done that may have stalled it. I mean, you don’t show confidence in the man you’re trying to get by putting minutes-based considerations there. Reading from the Knick’s offer, that’s what is missing from what they Knincks are offering.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
In what world
I’m just wondering in what world is it a good deal to give a guy $4m per year for 4 years when he is a poor shooting backup PG? I would much rather have had an athletic defensive guy than Blake.
I’m sorry, but for the guy saying that Blake was a good defender because in a game you saw they put him on Lebron, i say, C’MON MAN! Are you serious? That is your “evidence” of a good defender? A game you saw?
How about this, his defensive efficiency numbers for the last 3 years:
111, 110, 112 —-that is points per 100 possessions. They are ridiculously HIGH, which means he is a ridiculously BAD defender. Let’s compare him with the “horrible” defender Farmar: 106, 106, 107 for the last 3 years. What about Jameer Nelson? 106, 103, 107. What about Kobe? 104, 106, 15 —and this is Kobe during the regular season when he doesn’t play defense at all. What about Delonte West, not really known for his defense: 105, 104, 108.
Again, where did this myth about Blake and defense come from?
The Lakers are an elite defensive team. Jameer Nelson? I'm sure Dwight Howard wipes those mistakes away.
It helps to have two defensive aces on the wings and two seven footers protecting the rim.
you're right
So let’s pick a middle of the road defensive team. The Blazers were the 6th seed in the west right? So let’s take a look at the PG from the 6th seed in the East, the Bucks. Brandon Jennings is the PG, he is a rookie and has only played for a year. His defensive efficiency rating is 104. What about the backup Luke ridnenour? Well, he is at 106.
That’s the fairest comparison i can do. I didn’t select a specific player, just took the corresponding position from the same seed in the east. He still looks horrible in comparison.
Again, individual defensive efficiency numbers are totally dependent on the player's team
Jennings and Ridnour were on one of the league’s best defensive teams in Milwaukee. Blake played on a middling defensive team in Portland and a positively putrid one with the Clippers. Try again.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Don't look at team ranking.
Two entirely different teams. Blazers were primarily an offensive team, Bucks a defensive team. Jennings was a bad defender, if you’re going to look at the stats and tell me he was better than Blake on that end you can STFU. Compare to a team of similar D/Eff.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I have stats too
Blake: defensive rating of 110 and allowed an opponent PER of 15.0
Andre Miller: defensive rating of 110 opponent PER of 17.9
Steve Nash: 115 opponent PER of 18.2
Chris Paul: 103 opponent PER of 17.2
Deron Williams: 111 opponent PER of 17.3
Tony Parker: 107 opponent PER of 16.7
Jameer Nelson: 103 opponent PER of 15.7
Chauncey Billups: 110 opponent PER of 18.3
Mike Conley: 111 opponent PER of 17.4
I don't like superstitious people. They're bad luck.
by Rich Langford on Jul 3, 2010 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Opponent PER is a far more reliable individual statistic than defensive rating, which is far too team-influenced.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed...Nelson is a great example of this.
Blake is not going to help guard the quick pg’s. But damn, the Lakers faced nothing but quick PG’s in the playoffs and it didn’t seem to bother them, because of their team D. Blake will play solid and predictable team D.
I don't like superstitious people. They're bad luck.
by Rich Langford on Jul 3, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, opponent PER is much better
And much less prone to noise.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Magic Johnson, the greatest point guard to ever play, wasn't a good one on one defender-
great team defender.
Few Point Guards are great one on one defenders, Steve Blake is not a great defender, I’m not sure who’s saying that, the guy is a decent team defender, on a team with few defensive weaknesses.
This is a savvy move, my friend.
by rickfox on Jul 2, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Blake's defense is serviceable, not good
I think people bring it up because guarding PGs is our biggest need.
In reality, I’d prefer Miller, but I think Blake is barely in our price range and Miller isn’t. Miller rumors broke before the Blake signing, maybe Miller turned down the offer?
I don't think Mike Miller would turn down an offer from the Champs
He knows Kobe, Pau Gasol is one of his best friends, I think he wants a big fat contract, if Ray Allen reups in Boston, look for Mike to travel with the Lebron circus
by rickfox on Jul 2, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe it was his agent trying to get the asking price up
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Jul 2, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Lakers denied making an offer...
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
just part of the game
they also said they were happy with Benoit Benjamin when they got him and Doug Christie for Sam Perkins. I never believe anything the Lakers FO says to the media.
Craig Kwasniewski thinks the lakers floated the offer
Craig is a blogger at The Association
Now I’m thinking the Lakers floated the Miller rumor to pressure Blake to sign. And NO, he’s not also coming to LA.
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
by KBZ on Jul 2, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
if true, then wow
coach PJ’s zen is getting to the FO as well. We actually got to fill a need and did it at good price, even though other teams are willing to pay more. Now that’s how you do it.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
if true. then that is just fuckin awesome
they should do that more often lol
by lakers are trouble on Jul 3, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on, individual defensive efficiency numbers are totally dependent on the players' team
Make a better argument than that.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Yeah, I think everyone around here just rolled their eyes and moved right along.
Individual stats, in general, are unreliable. Especially advanced stats, like efficiency. And defense? Please.
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Well, advanced stats for offense are actually pretty reliable
Defense is another matter entirely.
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No thanks
I’ll take them as team stats any day. Individual, no thanks.
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To each their own I suppose
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There are NO point guards available who are better defenders than Blake, that's the issue.
Blake is only slightly above average, but he’s the best available.
And I’m guessing you’re a fan of dickheads like Hollinger and Berri, eh? Someone care to explain to this dude exactly how stupid it is to the Individual D/Rating stats out of context?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
damn dude
you really really love mike miller huh? just let it go because it doesn’t seem like we’re gonna get him. truth is blake is a pg and we NEED a pg. he can shoot the 3 and is serviceable on d. we don’t have a single pg signed at the moment.(until we get fish back of course) . lakers will be fine!
by lakers are trouble on Jul 3, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this signing
Steve Blake is definitely an upgrade over Farmar- more experience, better passer, and seems to have a good shooting touch when he shoots (40% from three is pretty darn good, and the Lakers could definitely use a good three point shooter).
I hope this doesn’t signal the end for Shannon Brown too, because he’s young, athletic, can really get up. I like the guy. He’ll probably opt out but I hope they can still work something out with him. He was nice to have as a backup.
Blake is a good fit. I think splitting the minutes between him and Fisher will make a lot stronger point guard tandem than the weakness they had their this season (except for playoffs, where Fish as usual became amazingly clutch again). Fisher will definitely start, especially with Jackson back as the head coach, but having a good backup like Blake, who I’m guessing will fit in really well, will make it easier for Phil to split the minutes and keep Fisher fresh for the fourth quarter runs and the postseason.
I haven’t really posted on SS&R that much but I am a big Lakers fan and I love basketball. The finals this year were as exciting as I’ve seen in a long time. Can’t wait for next season and a chance for a threepeat.
SB can fly
but he has no flight plan or radar. I’ll be relieved if he walks. I’d take Sasha or Blake over him any day.
Do you like this signing if it means that Fish is gone?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
no I don't
but that being said, I doubt Fish is gone. He’s way too important to this team to be let go, and in more ways than just playing basketball. I doubt the Lakers would be stupid enough to just sign someone else without making as much of an attempt to bring him back.
I doubt he won’t be resigned. I’ll be surprised if he isn’t.
Was Jackson too important to let go? If not, why mess around with his salary numbers?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
this is all part of the negotiation process
they arent gonna give Fisher what he wants upfront, and at the same time Fisher isnt gonna accept a low ball offer from the front office. Both sides will eventually reach a compromise. The chances of him leaving are extremely slim given his loyalty to the team, after all he was willing to take less money to come here.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Its possible, but read the Times article that was just put it. It is also possible that Fisher will take some offense.
ALL I HAVE BEEN saying is that while everyone is dancing around about how great the Blake signing was (and I AGREE it was a very good signing), but while you are dancing around, think to yourself this good deal MIGHT mean that Fisher is gone. Its not a crazy thing to ponder while you are celebrating.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-derek-fisher-20100703,0,4347278.story
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think hardly anyone agrees with you that this increases the likelihood of Fisher leaving. Blake replaces Farmar, not Fisher. Fisher wants to come back and the Lakers want him back.
Do you think Fisher would have taken offense if the Lakers resigned Farmar? Do you think Fisher wants to be the only PG and play 48 minutes a game? Since Farmar left, the Lakers needed to sign a replacement, which they did, and improved the team. No reason at all Fisher would be offended by that.
The Lakers have 3 FA guards
Fisher, Farmar, and Shannon Brown (he will opt out). How does this increase the likelihood of Fisher leaving? Blake is replacing ONE of them. The Lakers still have to bring AT LEAST one of those three back.
I think Blake replaces Farmar, not Fisher. The Lakers still want Fisher back, and Fisher still wants to come back. When these type of negotiations happen where both sides want the same thing, things tend to work out. I also don’t understand how Fish would take offense. He seems like a kind of guy who wants the TEAM to be better. Blake is an upgrade over any of the other FA guards, so I imagine Fish would be happy the Lakers signed Blake, as it brings a player a little similar to himself to help the team.
Again, Blake replaces Farmar. When Fisher comes back, he’s still going to be the starter, and Blake will back up. They’ll probably split minutes (maybe a little more toward Blake), but in the end, Fisher will still be the starter. Fisher will be in there in fourth quarters. And Fisher will be getting the majority of the minutes in the postseason. Blake is a big improvement over Farmar. But he’s not replacing Fisher, so I don’t understand how it decreases chance that he returns.
What do you expect the Times to do?
They need page views, they need to sell copies. They’ll exaggerate everything they can to keep readers. Hell, they’re now under threat not only by ESPN LA, but soon enough SBN LA as well.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Seems like a pretty good fit to me, no complaints
Just curious (and I know I should probably know this), does Fisher’s resigning count against MLE if it’s above the minimum? Or can we sign Fish for whatever without having to worry about anything but luxory tax considerations?
I believe it would be the latter...
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Not all the time.
I think it has to do with retaining the player’s “Larry Bird” rights.
For example, I’m pretty sure that when we signed Sasha to his contract, it cost us the MLE to do it.
Then I have no idea.
Someone help us out with this?
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paging Ben R.....
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Yeah, I just read the same on hoops hype
so this signing does not necessarily affect the Lakers ability to sign Fisher
Which is why I'm not in the least worried.
The Lakers are doing with Fish what they did with Lamar. They’ll take a tough negotiating stance with him, but at the end of the day, they knew even before free agency started that Fish leaving would never be an option.
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you mean
The Lakers cannot sign both Fish and Brown because we can only sign one “Bird Right” deal?
Or you assume that LA will let one of them go (surely, shannon)?
With blake, bryant, and Vujacic
There’s just no way the Lakers pay more than is absolutely necessary for a 5th guard
+1
They are rumored to want to trade Odom for the $$$. They are not adding to the budget, they are trying to cut it. I’m worried about Fish Frankly.
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by kv on Jul 2, 2010 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll believe that rumor when Odom is packing his bags
All this hype about Buss the stingy miser seems pretty off base with how the Lakers have been acting during the offseason so far.
“OMG Buss isn’t gonna pay Jackson” “OMG Buss doesn’t want to spend the MLE” “OMG Buss is going to trade Odom for pennies on the dollar” … So far, absolutely none of that has come to pass. I guess it still could, but it also could be a bunch of overblown smoke, designed to put some small amount of drama in an offseason that doesn’t have any for the Lakers
by C.A. Clark on Jul 3, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Who do you think is blowing this smoke? Phil Jackson?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Buss is a poker player.
He likes to bluff like that, because it keeps Mitch on his toes, looking for the absolute best deals possible; instead of taking the Mark Cuban route and trying to just buy championships.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
No. We can sign as many of our own players under Bird Rights as we wish.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
was about to say this
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Ok... checking a bit.
I believe that signing Fish would come under the Larry Bird exception.
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A quick course in Larry Bird Rights.
I’ve posted it here.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
wiwpedia
Larry Bird exception
Perhaps the most well-known of the NBA’s salary cap exceptions, it is so named because the Boston Celtics were the first team permitted to exceed the salary cap to re-sign one of their own players (in that case, Larry Bird). Free agents who qualify for this exception are called “qualifying veteran free agents” or “Bird Free Agents” in the CBA, and this exception falls under the auspices of the Veteran Free Agent exception. In essence, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain “Bird rights” by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination thereof. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. Bird-exception contracts can be up to six years in length.
Caveat: no expert here...
But I believe that to be the case.
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As I understand it...
Now that Fisher is our returning player, we can re-sign him without needing to use an exception. But don’t take my word for it, I’m no cap expert.
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We have his Bird rights
No problem there. That said, I can’t blame the Lakers for not wanting to offer more than $2-2.5 million.
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We have Fisher's full Bird rights.
Meaning we can sign him for anything up to the max. But we pay luxury tax on every dollar we pay Fisher.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 2, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Now that we got Blake,
what are our next targets for free agency?
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Lakers don't choose AMMO
AMMO chooses the Lakers. We are at his mercy.
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by akb24b on Jul 2, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
A backup big and a wing that can shoot
I’d be happy with Kurt Thomas or Rasho Nesterovic and Raja Bell.
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Backup Big: this is gonna sound crazy, but what about Shaq? do we even have the $$ to sign him? i think its appropriate that he gets to finish his career in L.A.
Wing that can shoot: either Morrow or Bell, although i would prefer Morrow.
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Bell
Morrow is gonna be tough to get since Golden State can match offers.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
that's the thing, it's Golden State
who knows what they’ll do. can’t hurt to try though.
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We can only offer the remainder of our MLE
Which is about $1.8 million. Morrow would be a moron to sign an offer sheet like that and Golden State would be even more moronic if they don’t match that in a heartbeat.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
"Golden State would be even more moronic"
wouldn’t surprise me at all lol.
whatever, i guess bell would have to do.
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Yes... isn't "Golden State would be even more moronic" a tautology?
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had to google "tautology" first...
and yes, i completely agree.
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Basketball-wise, this Shaq at the vet's min would be great!
He already knows the system and would be effective in limited minutes (and the Lakers really only need the backup big to sop up 8 min or so a game).
But locker room – wise …
thats good,
the only other scrappy player i can think of on the Lakers is fisher.
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Makes me like him even more.
We know Fish won’t take shit from anyone. Glad to see another tough nosed player on the team.
add Raja Bell
and I see the other teams think twice scrapping with the Lakers
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Yup.
We already have the toughest 1-3 in the league. Adding Blake and Bell would be no fun for the rest of the league.
hate to say it...
but the 08 C’s taught us something about toughness. Though we have a group of guys who can still play fun bball… would still like to see a big man FA picked up and a high flyer/slasher that we lost with Ariza. ShanWOW…come back to earth!
True, that ...
I’m of the opinion that this recent Celtics team is the greatest NBA team since the three-peat Lakers. Excluding this current Laker squad, of course :)
I think Ebanks is supposed to fill the slasher role. Though right now he can’t shoot anywhere close to the %’s that Ariza eventually was able to.
His midrange game is decent though
That’s an element he has that Ariza still doesn’t have. I think he’s slightly less athletic, but should be effective nonetheless.
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Good, we can see him and Kobe spar
Jeet Kune Do versus the ground and pound.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
hmmm like someone posted earlier
the guys has derek fisher kind of grit. Dont fuck with me or else I’ll fuck you up. I like that.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Jul 2, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the *i hope you try to set a screen on me later* mentality
by lakers are trouble on Jul 3, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
So Steve Blake is taking Jordy's old number
because #2 already taken and #25(his college number) is retired.
per Steve Blake’s wife on twitter
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
the second coming of Robert Horry
ahaha
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Speaking of big shots
If Mitch doesn’t get Fish re-signed i’m going on a hunger strike and chaining myself to Magic Johnsons statue
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by KBZ on Jul 2, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
bad idea
cuz you wouldn’t want to be chained to a big statue when there’s a full scale riot in downtown LA
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
He'll be fine. They get everyone away from Staples and into the surrounding neighborhood.
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If it means anything, Ron Artest Tweeted that Blake is 'super dope'
by rickfox on Jul 2, 2010 8:44 PM PDT reply actions
thats good
dope is good, right? lol
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yeah, plus a thorn in Kobe's side, crossed over
by rickfox on Jul 2, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't speak ron
"The only difference between a good shot and a bad shot is if it goes in or not."
- Charles Barkley
I think Google translator has an option for "Ron Artest"
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by KBZ on Jul 2, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He also says that Mitch is "a dope GM"
"The only difference between a good shot and a bad shot is if it goes in or not."
- Charles Barkley
that's ok
neither do kobe or fish
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by akb24b on Jul 2, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
So...
dope=good
Queensbridge=???
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- Charles Barkley
queensbridge = 16th banner
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Isn't dope a drug?
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In that case
Adam morrison is the dopest man alive.
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by Hdg23 on Jul 2, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
DO NOT!!!
…mistake the porn-stache for “pot-head”.
Two completely different looks. pfft.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
blow the smoke away, man
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pretty nice
but i was hoping for someone younger
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Well, I would have loved to keep Farmar
But maybe Crittenton or someone? Something tells me that Steve Blake at 34 won’t be a fan-favorite.
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yup, maybe we can get critter.
he showed potential when he was here
i rather have a vet like blake than a young guy
the lakers core is locked up for the next 3 years or so. blake is gonna be our pg option number1 or 1A for that same period. this team is built to contend for the next few years. we can get young guys later when we rebuild.
by lakers are trouble on Jul 3, 2010 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
For the amount of money, this is a great deal!
Haha I bet Portland did not anticipate this when they dumped him on the Clippers a few months ago.
Can you imagine Portland vs. LA in the 2nd round of the 2011 Western Playoffs, with Blake hitting big 3’s in Andre Miller’s face? Love it!
i went over to BlazersEdge and for the most part they're wishing Blake good luck
they really seem to respect him, which i hope is a sign that he’ll have a successful run here in L.A.
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Blake Is A Great Move
The Steve Blake signing is a great move for the Lakers. A perfect fit for our most glaring position of need. don’t forget this guy use to kill us while playing for Portland and he was also the key in Maryland winning the NCAA Tourney a few years back. The Lakers have not had a PG with his athleticism in a long long time. He can shoot the 3 (40%), he can handle the ball, play above average defense, pass, he’s smart and tough. Like I said, “A perfect fit for us.” Now, if we can just get a Big guy who can come off the bench to go with LO, D Fish (who will become a spark off the bench while Blake assumes starting role), and another veteran like perhaps Tracy McGrady who might sign for the vet’s minimum in hopes of a ring. Can you imagine how good the Lakers can be with a bench that can score say 15 to 20 points more per game to go along with our amazing starters and the D we now play.
I wouldn't say Blake is athletic...
but I agree with pretty much everything else.
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this was a reply to DTNCA
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McGrady, Thomas or another
I have seen stories about the possibility of McGrady be willing to sign in LA for a chance to finally get a ring. he has been injured for the last few years but he is definitely a scorer who could take some pressure off when Kobe and Pau come out of the game. I believe he averaged 9 points off the bench for NY last year. I don’t think anyone came close to that for us except for LO. I have also heard that Curt Thomas would be a big who might be willing to accept the vet’s minimum to play in LA. Remember him with San Antonio causing us trouble. A good defender and scorer. We need an upgrade from DJ and Jay Powell. These guys rarely played and could not score. While Powell may be back Morrison won’t nor will DJ or Farmar. With Blake, re-signing Fish and one of the rookies making the team we have room for one more. It’s got to be someone who will play for the vet’s minimum who can actually help us. Like one of these 2 guys.
i don't know about McGrady
there would be a conflict for minutes between him and LO.
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I think TMac is more of a SF ...
But even at the 3 there is not many minutes to go around between Artest, Walton and Kobe.
I think giving most of our MLE to Blake means that we can no longer afford TMac. It also makes Mike Miller and Morrow out of our reach in an outright FA signing. I think we can still find a good backup center/wing for a low price, though.
I don't think anyone wants Walton though ...
He’s like Fish, most valuable in the triangle offense playing for Phil Jackson. Which leads me to wonder why Mitch didn’t low-ball Walton a few years ago, given his low market value.
Trade him.....
The Wolves might want him, the need some veteran leadership and they run the triangle. Since Walton is the glue, we can give it to them for nothing…. If they must repay us give us rights to Rubio. He will be in LA so fast you don’t have to say turrible.
!!
dude that actually sounds hella smart if you throw some numbers around to make it work.
by wickedskillz on Jul 3, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a good idea, but Rubio's not even a good fit.
Although I’d certainly say ‘yes’. And hell, it’s Kahn, so he may be stupid enough to go for it. Issue is, he’ll simultaneously have to be smart enough to trick ownership into absorbing Walton’s contract.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Walton is near-untradeable at this point
His only decent skill — passing — has value only in our current offense.
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Breaking news from Jalen Rose...
via Twitter…
Breaking News(rumor has it)FA’s Wade/Bosh hv made up their minds to play AGAINST Lebron so don’t expect all 3 to play 2gether! WOW.
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Hooray!
I’d like to see Wade/Bosh in Miami.
But these rumors have been flying around (remember “Shaw to Cleveland a done deal”?) so I won’t believe it ’til it is on the Miami website.
I think you'll see Wade/Bosh in Chicago...
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that's what i'm thinking too
Lebron can still end up anywhere though
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Damn that team would be in the Finals ...
Rose, Wade, Bosh, Noah! Wow. Oh Taj at the 3 I suppose. Still I have Lakers in 5 haha.
They'll be in Miami.
As long as Wade can get some guys with him in Miami, he’s not leaving. And Bosh is a good start.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
link?
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post/Lakers-want-Celtics-Allen;_ylt=AsnBmIvkjs2QrvbgwF9HBWqPzdEF?urn=nba,253117
woops didnt post it as a reply, here’s the link dude
by Pegasus_Floats on Jul 2, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
even if he was a good fit
we simply don’t have the $$ to sign him. teams like the nets or the heat can offer him TONS more than we can.
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Im not sure how good of a fit he would be
The Lakers are not in need of a defender anymore or a mid range sort of guy, i think the Lakers need another big if we are to sign any more players, and yes you are right we simply dont have the coins to sign him unless Mitch is planning on letting Fisher loose or Fisher wants to retire….
by Pegasus_Floats on Jul 2, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
we dont want him anyway…. the only think we need now is a SG who can play D on the opponents PG… I know Blake is an okay defender, but I would love a guy who can just shut down opposing PG’s
In Kobe we trust!
Can we trade for Dwyane Wade?
I don’t know of any other SG that could potentially ‘shut down’ star PGs asides from Kobe.
Cook is actually good in that regard, but we’ve good too many 3s, we need a combo-guard.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know if you saw
but Tony Allen does play good disciplined defense. Of course, it looks like he’s holding all over the place because every defender does that to Kobe. His biggest downside isn’t his defense, but his inability to shoot anything with precision. Ugliest shot next to Shawn Marion.
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He does.
But with the rules of today, virtually no-one can defend star PGs. It’s a lost cause.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
While we're at it,
lets sign Steve Nash too, he’s a good 3-pt shooter. Matter of fact {insert name of random veteran pg} and lets sign him he’ll play great defense.
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problem solved
if we just go out and sign Deron, Chris Paul, Rondo, Nash, Rose, and Parker we don’t have to worry about defending them. See how easy that was?
also, we need a shooter
tony allen is one of the worst shooters in the NBA.
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NOOOO
If we want another wing-stopper, I’d rather have Raja. At least Raja can (or was able to) shoot. Better yet, let’s trade for Battier!
A trade for battier is enticing
that would be a great trade… Raja im not too hot on, especially with the added age and the fact that he isn’t an elite stopper or perimeter shooter as he was in the Pheonix hay days, i mean the Lakers have a stopper in Artest and were clearly one of the elite defensive teams last year… But Battier would definitely be a stopper WORTH trading for even though we have Artest already, impressive player he is and would fit the triangle well…. But lets be realistic… it wont happen….
by Pegasus_Floats on Jul 2, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Bell for the minimum would be great
If he didn’t play a lick of defense, I wouldn’t care, as he’s a 40%+ three-point shooter. Except he’s still an above average defender, and would be great value at the minimum or the rest of our MLE.
We’re not getting Battier. There are no realistic discussions to be had there.
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hmmm now that you mentioned the minimum
It sounds much better…. I thought Bell would be getting more but for the minimum, yes he would be a good fit…. I definitely agree with you that Battier is out of the question though… Still…. Raja Bell is worth a hmmmmmmm for the minimum that is…. only for the minimum…..
by Pegasus_Floats on Jul 2, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
God no, I'd rather Ronnie Brewer. At least he has an offensive game. Sheesh.
Somebody will overpay for Tony Allen.
The Trio
The trio was never going to play together. A lot of talk. They are all offensive players and there is only one ball. Which two are going to lose their EGOS and play second fiddle? Also, neither is a top defender or capable of guarding good big men. They could score as a team but I would question their defense and who takes the last shot? I think we know the answer but would they agree?
Good point
The trio would never have worked for a variety of reasons…. Lets pretend they won the championship do you think it would satisfy Lebron??? I mean Kobe gets chucked at for having Shaq alone, imagine Lebron had Wade AND Bosh or Wade AND Rose… It would totally destroy his legacy in almost every way imaginable especially since he has failed twice with teams that are clearly capable… Lebron wants his own legacy… He wants to be the first billionare basketballer and he wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan…. He won’t get that with two superstars on the same team as him…
Also i think even if it did work, Bosh is not as capable as Gasol, Kobe is better than Wade and Artest will give Lebron fits and with the added experience and chemistry of the team and hopefully the health of Bynum remaining and the added X factor of Odom as well as the signing of Blake for added bench strength, i cant see this team succeeding against the Lakers like everyone expects them to, then again… The Celtics did it with their trio????
by Pegasus_Floats on Jul 2, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You make good points here and I agree. I don’t participate in the what ifs too much. But let’s say the trio did match up with LA. Who is going to guard Andrew, Pau and LO? Bosh, LGJ and DWade just aren’t big enough or good enough defenders. Throw in Kobe and Ron who are All NBA defenders and the debate is over. When the Celtics beat us – LA did not have Trevor (who was hurt) and Andrew (who was hurt). Still they could have won that series if it weren’t for that 24 digit lead they lost in Game 4. If they win that game they likely would have won the series even though they were missing 2 key guys. They also did not have Ron or now Blake and it was Pau first year in the spotlight of the finals. I say LA could beat the trio right now.
not their trio but their team defense and scheme
one of the best defensive teams maybe ever. they would give fits to anyone.
by lakers are trouble on Jul 3, 2010 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Yea defense would be great
they’d essentially have no choice but to play uptempo, which is only a problem for one player: Lebron. He stalled the hell out of cleveland’s offense when he wasn’t getting the feed on the break. They’d also still need some semblance of an offense to play in. No coach has ever made that work with that many good players, but two: Phil and Riley. Riley could always come down and coach or influence coaching with Spoelstra, but Phi’s ours. Which means anywhere but Miami or LA and their offense is going to have problems for a minute.
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Allen? More Talk
I don’t pay much attention to those rumors. Allen only if we are no longer going to sign Fish. We need a Big not another mid range guy. I think the Blake signing cancels the need for Allen.
Well would u like ALL the FA news???
Or just the Lakers???
by Pegasus_Floats on Jul 2, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
after we signed Blake?
it seems that Wade + Bosh are more likely to sign with Chicago while Lebron signs elsewhere. other than that, nothing.
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And Stoudamire is looking like going to the Knicks
Thought id add my 5 cents worth =) aaaaaaheheheeh
Here are two good articles you guys should read.
First one is Stephen A. Smith — hold the jokes — and he gives a pretty cool look at how this are turning out so far, and how things might turn out. Click Here
Next one is by Dave McMenamin, and he summarizes and discusses Free Agency from a Laker standpoint.
Click Here
Sweet 16
First is a little out of date considering what's gone on so far alread
however does pose some good questions that would have been valid before Joe Johnson re signed, still alot of the points are still valid…
The second article was quite comforting from a Lakers stand point, i mean why wouldnt it be??? Lets be real here, this free agency is about two things, where will Lebron take his circus act to next and how can teams finally catch up to the Lakers…. The Lakers are definitely the most stable team in the NBA and the only team that can stand solid and still win a championship and be in contention for seasons to come…. Great to be a Laker right now…
Thanks for the read….
by Pegasus_Floats on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
In that second article, the Lakers really want to re-sign Brown and seem willing to wait him out
until he gets something better.
Whose Next for LA
Well, it’s been fun but I am don for tonight.. Mark my words based on an educated guess from all materials (not rumors) that are currently out there. The Lakers got the guard they wanted most in Blake who fills the most glaring need on the team. They will still re-sign D Fish who does want to come back and does not want to leave the LA area again. DJ, J Powell Adam Mo0rrison, Jordan Farmar and likely Shannon Brown are all gone. Powell and Brown may return under the right circumstances. One of the 2 draft picks will make the final roster. And, that means we likely have one more move. it will have to be a Big veteran who is willing to play for the vet’s minium in exchange for a chance to win a ring. It will definitely be PF or a back up Center type who can defend and score a little.
The only way anything else happens is if a trade is made, D Fish goes elsewhere or something unpredicatable like that.We are in better shape right now than we were a day ago.
You just signed a guy who has done nothing for the team
For 1.5 million more than you want to pay the guy who gave his body and soul to the team, to play the same position. How do you think Fish is going to feel?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
well, 4 mil is a finalized offer.the 2.5 was just the lowball offer. I'm sure it'll be 5 mil/1yr or 4 mil for 2 yr
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
how do you know this?
Did they offer Blake 2.5 mil?
They are trying to shave any million they can. They are even pushing Powell out the door, a guy who makes nothing, and rumoring Odom in a trade.
Why would you lowball Fish?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
nobody's lowballing Fish
you can’t blame anybody for anything right now, not when Fish hasn’t even signed a contract yet. come back when he does.
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Where did the 2.5 mill number come from then? Did someone just make it up?
I’m not blaming anyone for anything, I’m saying that people are excited about the Blake signing, but it could mean that this leaves Fish out in the cold.
Are the Lakers capable of leaving good soldiers out in the cold for a few mill. They certainly are.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
"it COULD leave Fish out in the cold"
let’s wait and see what happens first.
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What kind of sports blog is this. During the off season you are only allowed to talk about things that have happened, and not about things that might happen?
The whole point of discussing moves is thinking about how they will impact future moves. Hello?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
We've already acknowledged the fact that the Blake signing might impact Fish's future
Personally, I don’t see anything else to talk about until after Fish signs with a team. You may disagree, but I prefer to talk about what has already happened (signing Blake) over what might happen.
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Oh okay.
Great signing! Blake is going to hit threes all over the place!! He’s an underrated defender! He’s practically a coach on the floor. Great signing! Go Lakers!
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I honestly don't get what your point is.
I never said I wanted to be overly-optimistic and talk about how perfect of a team we are. I meant I’d rather talk about things that are carved in stone, rather than speculating about what might happen.
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Sure. We all have our pleasures.
So the facts seem to be.
1) We just gave 4 mill a year to a PG.
2) We have already offered 2.5 mill to our heart and soul PG.
3) The Lakers have shown that they are willing to cut and run for a few mill. They ditched Ariza after a championship, they are probably ditching several contributors from this year.
4) The Lakers are in a huge spending cut phase.
5) Fish is a tough guy who is the president of the Players Assoc.
From all these carved in stone type things it seems worth while to include Fish’s future in the discussion whether this is a great signing. Its a factor.
If the Lakers had just signed a power forward the talk would be of which Lakers future was being affected – for instance would Odom be traded? These are just normal thought processes.
I personally love the Steve Blake signing, but it worries me because the Lakers can be uncool with their own, even off a championship. Is it wrong of me to worry? Fish is exactly the kind of player who due to his stats and age that someone in the FO can underestimate. Call me crazy.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Listen, most people on this blog would agree with what you're saying and be willing to debate about it.
I’m simply not like that. That’s just my personal opinion. If the Lakers DO sign Fish to a crappy contract, THEN I’ll have something to say. Again, this is all just my own personal opinion.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
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Hmmm. Then I have to wonder why you are commenting on my posts.
You have been telling me not only: "I choose not to worry about’ you have also been telling me “You, don’t worry about it”.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions
You can worry all you like,
Just don’t blame others when they don’t show concern as well. That’s all I ask.
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Fisher's not leaving. Mitch and Fish know that.
5 million a year would also be overpaying him. No-one else will offer more than 3, and out of the other two teams after him, Cleveland and Miami, only Miami is viable. The Lakers didn’t ‘ditch’ Ariza, his own agent fucked him over. And no-one else the Lakers are ditching were contributors – Farmar wants to leave to expand his game, and the Lakers genuinely are trying to get Shannon back.
And do you have any idea how negotiations work? Fisher states he believes he’s worth 5 million, the team states 2.5. That’s not what they honestly believe, it’s a negotiation tactic. Just like with Odom, he initially stated 11 million / 5 years, and the Lakers stated 7 million / 4 years.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Derek Fisher: Price 3 million dollars
Derek Fisher’s intangibles: Priceless
I don't like superstitious people. They're bad luck.
by Rich Langford on Jul 3, 2010 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Do you know how negotiations work? sometimes people get deeply disrespected and things get personal. Ariza’s agent last year was merely “negotiating” and found his client on the outside. It is quite possible that the Lakers will stand very firm on their initial offer, feeling that they hold are the cards (I mean, where is Fish going to go?), and this may very well make Fish stiffen, on principle. Fish did leave the Lakers before.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
they arent gonna stand pat with that offer
this is all just part of negotiations. If we just gave players upfront what they wanted then we would be in the poorhouse and not be able to get other key players. Since Fisher rejected the contract, the lakers will slightly increase the offer.
Also Ariza’s agent did screw him over. He got way too greedy and demanded Buss give Ariza more than the MLE. Then he wouldnt answer Buss’s calls so they went out and got Artest. Ariza would end up settling for an offer identical to the one he was given by the Lakers except on a lottery bound team.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Sure. And the Lakers could think that Fisher is getting way too greedy, wanting two years at close to 5 mill per.
I don’t understand what the resistance is to thinking this through?
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-derek-fisher-20100703,0,4347278.story
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
like what robi S said
as it is we are way over the salary cap and Buss is shelling out millions in luxury taxes. Fisher is well aware of this and Im sure he would understand that Buss cannot give him the offer he wants and at some point will have to settle for something smaller at around 3-4 million a year.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
How much revenue do you think a 3-peat brings to a club?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually it's....
$17,454,333.21. Exactly. Don’t ask how I know. I can’t tell you, but it’s correct. Trust me. Really.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
The Lakers had an increase in straight revenue in the 2009 playoffs of 20 million.
But the Lakers are the league’s most valuable franchise. The team’s current valuation is $607 million, and its 2008-09 revenue was $209 million, with operating income at $51.1 million. The New York Knicks ranked second, valued at $586 million with revenue of $202 million. The Celtics ranked as the league’s eighth most valuable franchise, at $433 million, with revenue of $144 million. By way of comparison, the average overall revenue for the league’s 30 teams was $126 million last year.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
like I said
if we gave players upfront what they wanted, we could not afford to go after other free agents or retain other players on the team who dont have bird rights. 2-3 million dollars makes a huge difference in the long run since Buss has already invested alot in the team as it is.
We can say oh pay Fisher what he wants but ultimately Buss is the one who is gonna have to take money out of his wallet and has to pay additional luxury taxes. I understand Fisher had a crucial role in the championship, but with his age as well as lackluster defense, he should not be earning more than 3-4 million a year.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
like I said
if we gave players upfront what they wanted, we could not afford to go after other free agents or retain other players on the team who dont have bird rights. 2-3 million dollars makes a huge difference in the long run since Buss has already invested alot in the team as it is.
We can say oh pay Fisher what he wants but ultimately Buss is the one who is gonna have to take money out of his wallet and has to pay additional luxury taxes.
I understand Fisher had a crucial role in the championship, but with his age as well as lackluster defense, he should not be earning more than 3-4 million a year.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
amateur!!!
like the rest of us.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Twenty million is HALF what Buss is used to.
He’s used to $40 million, and thus views $20million as a net loss.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, Trevor took less from Houston...
…than what the Lakers offered. The Laker offer had higher percentage increases from season to season. They cut off negotiations with Lee because he told the press that Trevor would leave the Lakers if they offered the same terms as the best offer from another team. He had also made an earlier statement that Trevor was worth $10 million per year.
by The Dude Abides on Jul 3, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahahahahah.... you're asking ME if I know how negotiations work after YOU claim that because Fish is president of NBPA he'll get offended at a basic negotiations process?
Fuck it, I’m done with you. You’re blinded by the crap the Times puts out. You keep believing what you wanna believe, homey.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 AM PDT up reply actions
So you are saying the Lakers should not sign any other point guard even though Farmar left cause it would bother Fish?
I’m saying they should have signed Fish first, or come to an agreement in principle. Its not that hard. Just don’t be cheap with irreplaceable guys, guys that do things for the team that go beyond stats.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
we are hardly in a HUGE paycutting phase…… if we were in the paycutting phase we would be trading off guys to get under the luxury tax. I think u just don’t understand how far about the cap we are. We already have the highest payroll in the league, Buss isn’t being cheap or trying to cut payroll, he is just trying to limit the amount of damage to his wallet.
From his perspective, he already knows his core team is capable/the likely favorites to win the West already, so he has very little motivation to blow the bank by throwing money at players
In Kobe we trust!
Agreed.
‘Huge’ paycutting phase? This guy’s spoiled and naive.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you call a phase
Where throughout the year you threaten the greatest coach in the history of the league, the coach that is leading you to your second C in a row, which a huge pay cut?
What is that? I mean, what is that beyond stupid?
Further, there are media rumors that Odom will go on the block in a money saving move. Do these rumors come from the Lakers? If not, then who? Odom? You just are the precipice of history, don’t mess with the core. Its that simple.
As for being “spoiled” I have no idea what you are talking about. spoiled by what?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
wtf
Now you’re arguing about the definition of “phase??”
With idiocy like like this, how do you expect to be taken for anything other than a troll?
You’re frothing at the mouth defending the Lakers players and coaches when even they don’t feel as insulted as you.
If you want to make an argument, do so with common sense because you’re adding nothing to the discussion. All you’re doing is causing more aggravation than any troll could and I wouldn’t be surprised if you got banned for it.
I’m not arguing about the definition of phase, it has been very clear throughout the year that the Lakers are sending a very strong message of “tightening the belt” This is more than obvious in the way that they treated Jackson. How could you have not gotten the message?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what, drop it.
You’re not going to be brought about to understand anyone else’s point of view, nor are you going to be able to convince anyone of your highly subjective point of view based solely on rumours. Continuing this discussion will not lead to anything positive, and could potentially get hostile. You, drop the matter. Everyone else, stop making counter-arguments. It’s pointless.
And this isn’t exactly a suggestion.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently I am not the only idiot frothing at the mouth on the question of Fisher’s resigning. The Times seems to be in on the question as well:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-derek-fisher-20100703,0,4347278.story
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you Bill Plaschke in disguise?
Just take a deep breath. If Lamar was happy to be back at a lower salary than what he wanted, Fish will be too. The LA Times article actually is more optimistic than what I expected from the front office, in that it said that the Lakers are willing to bring back Fish for two years instead of only one.
by The Dude Abides on Jul 3, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The article raises the EXACT same question I raise. No difference.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Nets fan
Posing as a Laker fan.
Troll.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I've been a Laker fan before you were born
in all likelihood.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why you spend 5 times as much time at Nets Daily than you do here.
What are you even doing here? Shouldn’t you be over there frothing at the mouth about unsubstantiated rumours regarding Free Agency?
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Ummm... no need to do that.
Geez man, you’re talking as if Fish’s going to be like a jilted 15 year old girl.
He’s a 36 year old point guard who’s been in the NBA for 13/14 years. I’m sure he’s in touch with reality.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
I don’t know what his reality is. He might resent the way that the FO treats his teammates. He might realize that he was as important as any person on the team other than Kobe in the Championship run. He might feel that as a players assoc pres he has responsibilities not to be pushed into a corner. There are many realities.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh come on man... stop it.
I’ll go with “Derek Fisher lives in the same dimension as the rest of us.”
And did you really just type “There are many realities.”????
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
No, he was not as important as Gasol…
And he has left the Lakers before and been an adult… then came back. He understands it is a business.
I want him back, but if he left, the Lakers are still favorites to win again.
He was no LESS important than Gasol, that is for sure. Until FISH stepped up no one could shut down Allen, and his lay up to the floor was maybe the series defining moment.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
If you honestly think that Fisher was of equal importance to the Lakers as Pau Gasol
Then please stop commenting.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
What I said was:
“He might realize that he was as important as any person on the team other than Kobe in the Championship run.”
The Championship run for me was throughout the playoffs. In my book the Lakers would not have won the title with out Fisher. Fisher was instrumental in any number of ways, some of which were remarkable game defining shots. Was he more important than Gasol, I can’t say that. Maybe not even Artest (who was golden in a flawed way). But he was irreplaceable in many ways.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
If we had a point guard who could hit threes at a reasonable rate
And move laterally somewhat decently, we would have won handily and in a much easier fashion. Game defining shots are often caused because of things that went wrong in the previous 46 minutes. I love Fisher for sentimental reasons as much as the next Laker fan, but aside from a few games, he was rather ineffective during the playoffs and saying otherwise is simply flying in face of the facts.
Also, trying to inflate his worth in relation to his contract negotiations is plain silly. If you want locker room and floor leadership, that’s worth a little over the minimum. As Fisher can run the offense fairly well when he’s not cranking up jumpers or wild layups in transition, that’s worth about another million. Past that, he has basically no value, and definitely no value to any other team besides the Lakers, which means he has zero leverage in these discussions. By all accounts, he really should be coming back for the minimum with how limited he is must of the time, and should be counting his lucky stars that the Lakers treasure whatever intangibles he has to offer more than that.
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by Ben R on Jul 3, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Okay, then we disagree. That is fair. You think that if the Lakers had Blake they would have won going away, while I imagine that Fishers toughness meant a great deal to the team, and his defense on Allen fighting through screens like a madman (and the points through PFs) was irreplaceable.
If you are saying, losing Fish is no big deal, that’s great.
My disagreement is with those that thing losing Fish WOULD be a big deal, and who don’t see in Blake the potential that Fish could be gone.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
My disagreement is with those that thing losing Fish WOULD be a big deal, and who don’t see in Blake the potential that Fish could be gone.
Except you’re doing so by inflating Fisher’s worth, which is the wrong way to go about it and has really no basis whatsoever. The possibility that Fisher is going to another team is nonexistent, as is the chance that he’ll retire; ergo, he has zero leverage in this discussion and is almost certainly coming back.
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by Ben R on Jul 3, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its a matter of opinion. You have yours I have mine.
As for the facts about Fisher’s worth. Count his rings.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see this is pointless
No point in arguing with someone with an obstinate opinion.
And by the way, responsible organizations don’t overpay players past their worth. I don’t care how many rings Fisher has — his next contract should be based on what is left in the tank, which isn’t a whole lot.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
You are just as obstinate as I am.
The Lakers organization is in a unique position. If they were not at the end of an Era (the Jackson Era), if they were not going after the 3-peat, if the league was not heading towards a possible lockout in 2011, then YES, I agree, the smart thing to do might be to let Fisher walk if he pushes the issue.
But all these things I listed are in fact the case. This team is constructed for this moment, and Fisher is an important part of it.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Your argument is purely sentimental at this juncture
Which makes it utterly pointless. “Oh, he was a part of a championship team. WE MUST KEEP HIM AT ALL COSTS” is a horrible argument that ignores practically all other context, and is essentially all you are basing yours on.
We’re going for another championship…so we should overpay the player that was putrid during the regular season and decided to show up a bit in the playoffs. Right. Makes a lot of sense.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
That is not my argument at all. I have not said that in any sense.
It has nothing to do with sentiment (how do you know what I feel?), it has to do with me watching the Laker performance in the Playoffs.
What I have said is that the few millions they are trying to save on Fisher are not worth losing him, if they end up losing him. its not worth it in this year, given what he is asking. It would mean over paying him, but likely worthy something close to what he is asking.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm out. Cheers.
Last word is yours.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Err, yeah, it is
You haven’t constructed a coherent basketball argument why we should keep him otherwise.
As for the contract issues, we’re not losing him. If he wants to sit there and hardball over not getting $10 million over two years, then we shouldn’t keep him because he’s not worth that kind of money. He’s not getting an offer like that elsewhere, so if he’s interested in playing basketball next season, he’ll be intelligent and take the smaller offer.
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WORD
I win!!!
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He's KAAAHHHNNN in disguise.
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If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm an egotistical bastard.
Also in breaking news: Boston sucks.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Fisher slept through the regular season
and he knows it. Except for the heavy minutes he played when Farmar was hurt. Blake is here to do the dirty regular season work, so I’d have to think Fisher’s happy to have him.
A compromise between Fisher’s $5m and the $2.5m offer is a price I think both parties think is fair.
Fisher's minutes for the last 4 years have remained basicallly the same
Last year he was even over his career average, and basically the same as the 07 08 season.
I have no idea why you think Fisher will compromise. Maybe he will, but why play games. He is a fierce competitor on the court, why would he not be one in life as well?
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
There's no point in talking in the hypothetical.
Instead of trying to disagree with everyone, without even any concrete basis for doing so, how about you just wait and see? If you’re right, and Fisher does leave, you can say ‘I told you so’
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what I said!
YES! I’m not the only one!
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
I certainly will not say “I told you so”. That’s not why I make statements. I make statements to raise interesting questions about the present situation. If you don’t find them interesting, don’t respond. Its not that difficult.
Go Lakers! Blake is awesome!!!!
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Your question is not interesting cause it is unlikely enough that most everyone knows it aint happening. Maybe all the free agent frenzy has distorted your thinking, but nobody is knocking down the door to sign Fisher. Also, Fisher wants to stay, and the Lakers want him to… It is just some simple negotiation and they are not far apart. Relax…
it's not that big a deal
Some points to consider.
1) We definitely have a hole at the PG positions. Farmar wants to move on, Brown has proved to be an under-sized SG and Sasha can play some minutes but as a machine is about as consistent as a printer. We need someone that can put in solid PG minutes over the course of a season.
2) Whether we like it or not, Fisher is getting older. He proved over the playoffs he still has some juice in him. Maybe he can do it again next year. Maybe he can do it again the year after. Maybe again the year after. Maybe not. Nobody knows. The truth is though that he can’t play full pace through-out the season and the post-season as well, and we don’t know how long that post-season play can last. We need an insurance policy in case Fisher has health issues or is no longer able to maintain pace. Steve Blake is that insurance policy. If you think forward, over the course of 3-4 years, Blake is the type of guy that will learn the offense, learn about the other players, learn the system and play consistent solid basketball. He isn’t physically gifted or exceptionally skilled, but likes to make up with that with other contributions, doing things that aren’t sexy. This is exactly what you need on a team of star players, some consistent role players who don’t mind facilitating the stars.
3) He can shoot. This year’s play-off run proved we need consistent shooters for the zone, etc. We are hoping that Blake can fill that role, and not without reason. Career 40% is good sign.
4) This doesn’t mean we can’t re-sign Fisher. Everyone here values his presence and knows that he’s been good to us. But the truth is that it’s not just Fish that has been good to the Lakers, the Lakers have been good to him. They’ve been paying his pay check for years and gave him the chance to win multiple rings. They took him back from Utah in a heart beat. I’m sure there is mutual respect between Fish and the organization and hopefully they can work something out. Obviously there is some risk involved that he will move on, but this is a business and it’s a necessary risk . No hard feeling!
4) Honeslty, Fisher is probably happy we got Blake. He has someone to help him be scrappy and decrease his work load during the regular season. Fish knows that if he is performing, he will get the nod in game-time situations with Blake as his understudy.
The Lakers made a great signing and we’re all pretty happy. We all hope we can keep Fish but at a price that is fair to him and to the organization so that we don’t have our hands tied moving forward. In essence, stop worrying and killing our buzz, Mitch got this under control :)
by wickedskillz on Jul 3, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this thoughtful response
Agree with it all.
They just should have respected Fish and made a deal in principle. Don’t lowball a psychological core of the team… Its not worth the few million.
The Blake signing was very good. Its just that while everyone is dancing around and partying, just acknowledge that it MIGHT mean that Fish is gone. Might.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I like this thoughtful response
Well then start taking notes.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
shannon and farmar play a lot minutes this season
Maybe Phil being nice to them knowing they will be FA. Phil give them a chance to show their talent to other teams
GTFO. Fisher doesn't sleep through the season. He plays just as hard during the season as he does during the playoffs. The results are different but he's always trying.
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by SoCalGal on Jul 3, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I will say he REALLY turned it up in the playoffs. He wasn’t sleep walking during the year, but he played spectacular defense against some of the best points and SGs in the league.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Asides from the two threes in Game 7, and 4th quarter Game 3, his offense during the Finals was MIA.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s the thing about Fish, he is able to hit game defining, even series defining shots. its like saying of Horry, “Aside from his jumper against the Kings…” These kinds of shot makers and mentally tough guys just don’t come around. These kinda guys actually make other players on the team tougher, by example. Artest did this as well, defensively. And the Lakers needed every ounce of toughness against the Celts. Every ounce.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So the remainder of the series in which he was ineffective or even hurting the team
Naturally had no impact on the final result of the Finals. Right.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Apparently you only count offense as a contribution (I wonder how much you minimized Artest who was tremendous). Fisher was crazy and possessed on Allen after Allen set the 3 pt record. His tenacity was EXTREMELY important, it tired out Allen and affected his shot. Brown couldn’t guard Allen, and neither could Farmar.
The Celts had only two real offensive threats, Allen and Pierce. Fisher’s defense on Allen allowed Kobe to play center field against Rondo and dispirit the head of the Celts into realizing he cant even hit a 15 ft jumper. Without Fishes defense Kobe would have had to play Allen and the entire series likely goes another way.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Fisher was effective
Because we switched a ton of screens and constructed a good chunk of our defensive scheme to allow him to keep up with Allen. Thank our overall defensive scheme first and then Fisher.
And yes, offense mattered in a series between two roughly equal defensive teams in which breaks on offense determined games. Fisher was nearly completely ineffective on that end for the grand majority of the series.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Hahahahah..... did you just quantify Fisher as a GOOD defender?
First off, after Allen burned FISH in Game 2, Phil changed his game plan by switching on a lot of the screens that got Allen free, simply because Fish could not fight through them fast enough.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
When Phil Jackson was asked why he still stands by Derek Fisher even though the critics have told him to get rid of the Fish, he said something to the effect, "What makes me stand and continue to believe in Derek Fisher is his "CHARACTER"… you can’t get character by your talent, skill, or age, it is something that he has proven and what is most needed in moments like these. You can’t buy character, or fabricate it, he just has it and that’s what makes him a leader."
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, character
That’s worth about the minimum in contract terms. Not $5 million/year.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
That’s why the Lakers are lucky to not have some of their blogging fans running the front office. They would have had one less championship according to this “wisdom”
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Except the FO doesn't handle in-game substitutions
So your argument makes no sense, unless you’re predicting next year’s championship already.
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Adam Morrison is full of character
I hear he’s great in practices and he’s really intense. Should he be in the NBA, NO.
Aybar is a nowhere man, Sitting in his Nowhere Land, Making all his nowhere plans for nobody.
by princeton11loveshalos on Jul 3, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, if they hired you, we'd be as fucked as Minnesota.
That’s why the Lakers are lucky to not have some of their blogging fans running the front office.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
If we had a good point guard who managed to hit a three at some point in the first 6 games, this may have never mattered.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
sorry, but a few games of brilliance doesn't wipe out the rest
We would not have won the finals without Fisher, but it’d be revisionist history if I said he was anything other than horrible on the court during the regular season. I’m tanking about his tangibles, not his intangibles. He was also pretty bad for most of the playoffs and even in the finals except for brief moments when he carried us to wins out of nowhere. I love him for that.
90% of the people on this blog wanted him benched during the regular season. Let’s not forget all the hoopla over the possible Hinrich trade. In the end Fisher proved he could still deliver miracles, but my point is he didn’t do it for the regular season or 75% of the playoffs, so we shouldn’t expect him to do it until critical moments of next season.
By all means bring him back for clutch moments, but if we want anything other than intangibles (read verbal and emotional leadership) the rest of the time, we need the fresh legs of Steve Blake.
to clarify
I think he plays hard as hell all the time, even the regular season, it just doesn’t translate to what we need on the court. We need his leadership (intangibles) throughout the year, but we also need better defense, movement, and offense (tangibles) at the PG spot.
Everything that follows after “We would not have won the finals without Fisher” is pretty much meaningless. In fact we might not have gotten to the Finals either.
I’m not saying its Blake vs. Fisher, I saying sign Fisher and quite lowballing him.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You are wrong… Lakers would not have won last year without Odom, but the front office did not give him exactly what he asked for. That is smart management. You know, the sort of management that wins championships… ahem
The Laker FO is not lowballing, it is negotiating. There is no evidence whatsoever that Fisher is upset, or sees it as anything except exactly how such negotiations go. You are just making that up in your head.
you’re right, fisher is probably more than happy to have a capable pg right behind him. Fisher is a 4 time champion. Both Kobe and Phil have his back…..
I guarantee you he isnt stressing about Blake being there. If anything he is going to use the Blake contract as leverage to get the 5 million he wants, cuz we all know that when its a close game with 2 mins left, it will be Fisher on the court
In Kobe we trust!
Fish won't get 5 million...
Unless it’s for just one year.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
I’m sure he would take one year. There is probably a lock out 2011.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, he's fighting for two.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Fish has been playing long enough to realise that with Farmar/Brown leaving, LA needs a point.
And I’d bet that he’s not going to be moaning about “what’s he done for LA?”
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I just don’t understand why thy FO plays $$$ games with the guys who are core to the team. SEE: Jackson.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, you do not understand why they do… and lots of posters are trying to explain it to you and you refuse to understand…
Nothing weird is going on. This is the business of basketball. Jackson is not upset about it and neither is Fisher. Just you are unnecessarily getting upset for them and inventing insults that don’t exist.
Jackson was very clear that his hesitancy to come back next year had nothing to do with money and all to do with his health and mental readiness.
That's the job of the FO.
I just don’t understand why thy FO plays $$$ games with the guys who are core to the team.
Otherwise, they may as well hire you. You wanna see a team that overpays people? Look at New York before Walsh.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 4, 2010 2:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers have always had lousy PGs?
You can’t mean that unless you’re under 20. Magic was the best PG there ever was and he wasn’t just great at assists but everything that the game encompassed. Be wary when you make a statement like that. Just because you’re in the Kobe era doens’t mean there isn’t history here. JW also was a 1 and a 2 so you’re talking about top 10 of all time here
I think he means the Triangle, not the Lakers.
But definitely an oversight on his part.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
the Fisher of today, especially of these past playoffs has more grit and intelligence. Fisher is like a fine wine, he keeps getting better with age.
In Kobe we trust!
robi... c'mon... please
Do you really believe that?
Yes, Fish was crucial in the Finals… but let’s have a reality-check. His regular season was pretty… well… average (I think I’m being generous there), and it’s doubtful he’d start anywhere in the league.
To state that
Fisher is like a fine wine, he keeps getting better with age.
is simply untrue.
Great presence, fantastic guy… and one of my all-time favourites.
But he is what he is.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
the numbers say otherwise....
his numbers this past post season were the best of his career. his 11 points against Boston in the 4th, and his performance again the Jazz and Suns were all very impressive.
In Kobe we trust!
"Best of his career"???
Really?
Fish stepped up in key moments, and was definitely an important part in LA winning the title… but let’s not go overboard robi.
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His performance as a whole in the Finals was terrible, offensively.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 3:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Defensively... it was passable.
Which was better than expected. Tho’ a lot of that was on ‘team D’.
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We switched on a lot of screens.
Which helped Fish out.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup... communication was MUCH better this time around vs Boston...
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
oh come on
Jokes aside, INTANGIBLES!!! Just because he didn’t rack numbers doesn’t mean he was horrible.
by wickedskillz on Jul 3, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Blake protects the ball well and rarely turns it over… I remember on the second unit this year how many times Farmar/Brown would come in and have some quick turnovers which lost leads quickly. Wont happen with Blake.
Blake will also shoot 42-45% from 3 on a team with such a strong inside game like the Lakers.
Blake will also play hard every night.
on bad thing is blake cant get his own shot… that means we’re gonna need LO to step up BIGG TIME.. as he is now the only guy who can make his own shot, which typically just has him settling for an ill-advised 3
Perhaps we should sign mcgrady with the rest of our MLE, because our bench doesn’t have a scorer. Give Farmar and Brown credit, they could get to the rim
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by robi s on Jul 3, 2010 2:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need another dribble-penetrator, that's for sure.
Kobe and to a lesser extent Odom are out only ones, I’m for the notion of McGrady provided he still has some quickness left. I don’t think he’ll have a problem accepting a reduced role or pay, last year humbled him enough, with Houston essentially saying they didn’t want him. McGrady would likely be the best dribble-penetrator the Lakers can still afford.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 2:44 AM PDT up reply actions
LO will have to do less cause Blake can shoot the 3 which neither Farmar nor Brown nor Sasha were good at this year.
lol…. not really…. its not like LO has a made penetration game, nor was he getting doubled.
If anything LO will have to do more work, now that teams know that LO is the only way the Lakers can get to the rim, otherwise there is only so much you can do when you are swinging the ball around the perimeter.
If we don’t sign another penetrating wing, I’d imagine we play Bynum/Gasol alot more with the second unit as they can command double teams, which would allow us to maximize Blake’s 3pt prowess
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Swinging the ball
opens up lanes for penetration. By having a player they actually have to be honest with on the perimeter it would open up lanes more for Odom rather than closing them. He’d essentially have two options. pass around, drive, and kick or pass around, drive, and finish. Their not going to key in on him when they still have Blake and Artest/Ebanks/Walton floating around the perimeter. Quick passing breaks down any defense with good execution and small penetrations.That plus we don’t just pass around the perimeter, we pass inside out making it even easier to penetrate especially on cuts. We’re not hurt in any way from this signing.
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That's true, but in general, Odom needs to be more aggressive
He settled a lot for perimeter shots last season when he should have been driving hard to the hole to create opportunities for other players. Blake and any other shooters will definitely make it much easier for him next season, but his mindset needs to change a bit for the effect you’re describing to come about.
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Being aggressive with the PG pursuit is pretty strategic of of lakers
Not only do we get a decent backup PG, but it also puts pressure on Shannon and Fish. It’s obvious that those two want to stay with the Lakers, but they want more money than the FO is willing to offer. By having Blake secured, the FO is basically taking leverage away Fish & Shannon. Otherwise, if there were no backup PG yet, both Shannon and Fish will have the FO’s throats with a possible empty PG vacancy..
Good point, its a smart move
But given how Fish is as a player, how do you think he will respond to some one leveraging him?
We know how Brown responds to pressure.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Fisher's more professional than most players.( president of the NBA players union)
He’ll understand the Lakers using these tactics against him. He may not like it, but he certainly understands it’s a cutthroat business.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
remember Fisher is a family man, has a daughter in need of medical care, so Fisher DOESNT want to leave, and move his family when they are nicely settled in LA. Just as long as Mitch doesn’t completely try to lowball Fish, I am fairly certain he will be back. I estimate it will be a 2 year 7-8 million dollar contract.
Fisher has already seen what life is like away from La la land. The triangle fits him well, and he is too old to learn a new system. I can’t imagine him getting his 5 million anywhere else
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1 year 4 million, or 2 years, 6.5--7 million, IMO.
If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
i would normally agree, but I think Fisher might try to be like " you gave this guy Blake 4 million/yr and he isn’t even gonna be on the court when the championship is on the line in the 4th.
He could try to leverage the Lakers, but as I’ve said before, hard to leverage when the other guy knows you really really wanna stay
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And then there's the fact Blake was getting offers greater than 4 million from others.
No-one’s gonna realistically offer Fisher over 3mill/yr.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 3:21 AM PDT up reply actions
And Blake will play the vast majority of Regular Season minutes anyways.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Ummm. Does that mean he lets the FO back him into a compromise in which he is paid less than some guy who just came to the team? Being the president of the players unions actually would suggest that he won’t be backed into a corner, not the opposite.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I never said he would let them pressure him into talking less money.
Only that he understands WHY they’re doing it.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Sure. That is what I am saying. Fish isn’t going to be pressured or lowballed into a compromise, so the question is: Will the Laker front office be smart about this or stupid?
They were stupid enough to push back on Phil Jackson all year and risk pissing him off into retirement. What kind of business is that? They got Phil back, but it wasn’t assured. Phil Jackson is more important than any player the Lakers could have picked up (or even lose).
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jul 3, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree that the FO was too harsh on Phil,
but like Fish, Phil is also professional and he also understood why. So far, the FO hasn’t botched any decisions yet (Ariza wasn’t a botched decision) so i’m pointing fingers just yet. However, if Fish is pressured into leaving, the FO is going to take a lot of heat.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Actually Artest is my favorite Laker, but there was no guarentee that the Ariza move was a good move when that happened.
They roll the dice. They rolled the dice with Phil and won, but that was stupid. It turned out okay, but it was stupid.
They are rolling the dice with Fish as well. From my POV they are being cheap in stupid ways, with the wrong people.
Just my opinion.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't every team roll the dice when they sign/trade for somebody?
So far it hasn’t failed, so I don’t have a problem with it. But that’s just me living in the past, right?
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Ariza wasn't a 'move'.
Ariza leaving was virtually his own accord, blame his agent.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather blame the agent...
But I think it was a move. We called Artest at 12:01 a.m. when free agency began and offered him the most we would have offered Ariza. Sure, Ariza took a spot really fast for the full MLE on the Rockets. But, I think the reason Ariza did so was that both he and his agent knew that his spot on the Lakers had been filled.
I absolutely loved Ariza, but I think Artest is an upgrade. It’s cutthroat business putting yourself in a position to win a championship for the next 4 years (after 08/09). Some egos are going to get bruised.
2.5 million for 1 year isn't lowballed.... it's a fair offer.
And Phil nearly retiring was due to health issues, the contract talks came to a verbal understanding before he even went to Montana.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
And the Lakers insulted him all year long with the threats of a huge pay cut.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You are proposing all sorts of what-if’s which is fine, but they are not backed up by evidence.
The Lakers FO has a rather good track record… 5 championships and 7 finals appearances in 10 years
Fisher has left the Lakers before and come back. He is a pro and knows the business.
The evidence is that they are very willing to hold a hard line against their own.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is a good thing
An organization that overpays for its own tends not to be very successful.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Exactly… Just look at the stupid moves made by various teams!
To negotiate well is not disrespectful… When it comes to contracts, players and management are opponents because they have conflicting interests.
For Fisher and the FO to both try to get what they want is not disrespectful. Neither the FO, nor Fisher are feeling upset. They understand it and are going about the negotiation in a mature and sensible manner.
You would have cause for claiming disrespect if management was making negative statements about Fisher in the press, walking out on talks, failing to uphold agreements etc… all the sort of stuff you see all too frequently around the league is exactly NOT happening here. What is happening here is almost the definition of respectful negotiation.
I'm aghast...
That you have Derek Fisher all petulant and pouty because LA signed another point guard.
The fact of the matter is that Brown and Farmar are most likely outta here, and the situation with Fisher himself remains tenuous. LA needed a PG and Blake is the best one available – and LA got him at a bargain.
I’m a huge fan of Fish’s. But if he was acting as you’ve described him, I’m not sure I would be.
I am also confident that the Derek Fisher you’ve painted does not exist.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Its about how the FO treats Laker players, its about respect. Its not about petulance.
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by kv on Jul 3, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
It's a business, buddy.
Stop being so naive. I can assure you Fisher is not. He’s the president of the Players’ Association, he knows how this shit works – he already knows salaries from 2011 onwards are gonna take a major slide.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
That's nonsense
If the front office didn’t lowball Fisher, I’d be highly disappointed at their lack of negotiating acumen. He has zero leverage in these discussions.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Spot on.
You don’t get to where the Lakers are without some hard-nosed toughness. Both on and off the court.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
by your logic...
Lakers “lowball PJ and LO” and shouldn’t have come back b/c same happened to Fish and he might not return due to being “disrespected”. What makes them different b/c they are happy and signed? It works b/c everyone gets a good deal and is happy.I don’t question Buss or Mitch. They clearly know how to run a successful organization. Going to the finals 7 times and winning 5 is pretty damn good when you are a Laker fan. Don’t like how things are run support Sterling and the Clippers.
by Kobe B on Jul 3, 2010 10:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the gyu's a nets fan
go through his profile, where he is commenting
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
some people said the same about Artest
look at how that turned out. lol
I’m sure he’ll do well. It’s like he was built for the triangle.
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"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
What is there to hate about Blake?
He seems like a great teammate, he seems coachable, he plays hard and smart, and he can stretch the D.
I don't like superstitious people. They're bad luck.
by Rich Langford on Jul 3, 2010 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe its because he used to be a blazer?
idk. i just know for sure that he’ll fit well with this team.
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"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
There is a great article on Blake on the Orlando blog
http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2010/6/28/1541698/orlando-magic-free-agent-point
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by robi s on Jul 3, 2010 2:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Now We Just Need Tracy McGrady To Take A Paycut
it seems like la wants to sign him for the vet’s minimum. but he wants more. come on mcgrady, take one for the team.
Don't trust Bleacher Report, dude.
It’s the Peter Vescey of blogs.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 3, 2010 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions
i have seen some ugly ass articles there at bleacher. im offended they get to write and not get apprehended
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Not only can water float a boat, it can sink it also.
Haha... you're on a binge right now, Tucker.
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I don't dislike this signing...
seems Blake is a good deal at 4/$16 million. But we are not any more well equipped now to defend good PGs. Therefore, why not go with a bigger offensive threat? PGs in Phil’s system need to space the floor & initiate the sets. This could be done by Sasha, Kobe, Mike Miller, or Lamar offensively. Defensively, Sasha, Kobe, & Fish can all defend the PG position based on matchup.
I’m pleased with the signing, but don’t think that we absolutely needed a PG, assuming Shaw gives Sash more minutes! I would have rather seen a harder run made at more talented players.
who knows
which sasha shows up. unless sasha has a strong season this year, he’s out of here come summer time.
by wickedskillz on Jul 3, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I don't like the signing
for 2 reasons
1) My loyalty to Fisher. I can see Blake being given the starting job in 2011. I never wanted Fisher forced out, I wanted him to retire. Blake might end up forcing him out.
2) Blake is no quickie. Our biggest achiles heel during our ENTIRE Phil Jackson run has always been fast point guards. I believe this might the first time ever that we didn’t address that weakness, and instead went out and specifically tried to get worse in that regard.
I think this means that we have to bring Shannon Brown back. I love Vujacic, and he is a quicker and better defender than Shannon Brown… but not against the smallest of the small guys. With Shasha’s penchance to foul when out of position, smaller point guards might very well start a parade to the FT line.
All in all, I still can’t grade this until next year, like we do with all things in Lakerland because we win championships, not regular seasons awards. But I think this might end up being Mitch Kupchak’s first conclusive mistake. (All of this other “mistakes” have been flipped for key players, turning them into a good choice, in the long haul)
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Point 1 and point 2 are kinda contradictory… You don’t want Fisher pushed out, but you want a better point guard.
Farmar wanted to leave. Lakers needed a replacement. They got a replacement for Farmer who is better. Considering the cap limitations, seems like the Lakers did as well as they could.
no they're not
I want him to stay until he’s done. Doesn’t mean we can’t have the 2nd guard off the bench be the speedster.
Blake reproduces what Fisher does. It’s redundant.
Further signings
what further signings do you guys actually see happening. Here are some possibilities
1) Re-sign Fish. I think Saurav got it right, 1yr/4m or 2yr/7-8m, somewhere around there.
2) 4th Big. Either one of the experienced guys at Vet’s Minimum (Joe Smith, Kurt Thomas) or the younger more athletic types (Tolliver?). We may just hang on to character and/or Mbenga instead but I think the vets would be a big upgrade.
3) Defensive wing player like Raja Bell. could we still sign him if we sign a Kurt Thomas-type? What if they both agree to minimum salaries.
4) Instead of the Raja Bell, McGrady if he settled for minimum.
5) If 3/4 are not working out well for us and nobody offers a big contract, we probably get Brown back.
Those are the possible moves that I can think of that may actually happen. What do you guys think the FO will do as the off-season continues?
I think we'll at least make an offer to Morrow,
and see whether or not Goldent State matches it. If not, then we go for options 2 and 3.
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"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Morrow won't even bother to sign any offer we give him
Because he knows Golden State will match. There’s no point.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
After signing Fisher
our needs:
1) backup big – we need someone who can play solid mins if Bynum or Gasol are injured.
2) backup guard/ wing – this one is more crucial than it seems because Sasha may get traded due to his expiring contract and Luke may be limited by injury
our assets:
1) remaining MLE is $1.8m
2) vet’s minimum which I think is around $1.2m
Choices for a Big:
1) Kurt Thomas/ Joe Smith type if they’ll take $1.8m. A lot of teams have a lot of money and empty rosters though, so we may end up…
2) offer the vet minimum to Mbenga
Choices for a Guard/ Wing:
1) Raja Bell would be great if we can get him for $1.8m
2) Tracy McGrady would be even better at $1.8m, but he’d probably get more from one of the teams that strike out in the FA market
3) Shannon Brown – we can spend more than the MLE because he’s our free agent, but C.A. Clark made a great point: why would we spend the $3m+ he wants for a guard 4 or 5 deep on the bench? The FO wants him back but I think he will walk for more cash.
4) Javaris Crittenton is the logical option. He’s not playing in the summer league which is not a good sign, but if we strike out in options 1-3 I think we’ll offer him the minimum. Hopefully he takes it because we could use the youth.
I'd take Mbenga...
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Bell would be ideal
Especially for the minimum — he’s a great shooter and can still play above average defense.
As for the fourth big, I’d be happy with either Kurt Thomas or Rasho Nesterovic.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
JCritt is not making the lakers squad or anybody else's squad for at least another year
there’s too much baggage to take a chance on a guy who doesn’t have his shit together.
by rickfox on Jul 3, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Von Wafer?
Bell is my first choice, but if that doesn’t work, what do you think of Von? Apparently he wants back in the league.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16689#ixzz0sc8DmCot
We have to keep Fisher
But we can’t open the vault for him (obviously). He’s a useful player in the playoffs and that’s when it matter most.
He should still be the starter this upcoming season, albeit with less minutes per game (hopefully). I think it’s good for team’s psyche and for continuity if we keep the same starting 5. He should be paid around what Blake makes.
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
I agree, Fisher has to stay
I think Fisher should still start and he should split the minutes about evenly with Blake. In the postseason, then they can give more minutes to Fisher. But for the regular season, split them, and maybe even give a hair more to Blake.
As for the pay, I just hope management and Fisher work out a price they can agree on. Fish wants 5 million (which he’s not getting), and the Lakers want to give him 2.5 million (which is too small). They’ll probably settle for something in between that, maybe 3-4 million.
First of all
Negotiations are a man’s game. If you feel offended after a low but first offer you don’t deserve the job. A professional like Fish will get a good deal or walk.It’s a negotiation what do you think this is? Giving money away for free?
Anybody who thinks he feels slighted is a fool b/c 1. You have no clue he feels this way other than what a columnist thinks is happening. 2. Think a team who has the HIGHEST payroll and highest paid coach is cheap. Your opinion does not count as proof.
Secondly there are no awesome PG defenders available. Nor are there many left in this league. Defense is a team skill as more than its important to having an individual one. Sure we get beat by quick PG’s. But who has been to the past 3 championships and won 2 w/o an elite defensive PG and still amongst the best defensively in the NBA? NOBODY BUT THE LAKERS. And now we have a decent defender and shooter in Blake.
by Kobe B on Jul 3, 2010 10:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
we hid Fisher whenever possible
Kobe usually took Fisher’s man when they become too dangerous and were tilting the games in their favor.
And great PG defenders will be hard to come by because of the hand checking rule. That, and players have learned that they can get the call if they collapse to the floor after getting bodied up 30 feet from the hoop.
Haven’t brought this up in a while… but put a fourth referee on the damn court.
Question
Wonder how long it’s gonna be before Lakers.com takes the huge picture of Jordan Farmar off their background? rotflmao
You gotta love
anybody who has played for Oak Hill with Melo and won a ton of games at Maryland. This guy has done a lot of winning by deferring to big scorers his whole career, I think he is gonna love this situation and have our second team performing up to its talent level (Lamar, you underachieving SOB). However, I agree Ridnour is the more talented player and would have liked that signing a little more. But I have faith that Mitch knows what he’s doing, so you have to think this is gonna work. And how’s this for a backup center? Is Alonzo Mourning still in shape? He wants another ring right?
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