It is imperative for Bynum to begin to dominate next season.
This is my personal opinion but I think Andrew Bynum getting injured is no longer an option for the Lakers. Everyone claims our front court is our strongest weapon, but we have yet to fully use it, especially in the playoffs. Our championship grit and experience along with Kobe Bryant's and Pau Gasol's offensive skills, Ron Artest's defense, Derek Fisher's intangibles, Lamar Odom's inconsistent flashes of brilliance, and Adam Morrison's enthusiastic cheer-leading have been enough to carry us through this year's playoffs, but I think that those might not be enough anymore. Other teams are constantly reloading after each season and targeting the Lakers; each summer they are trying to design their teams not just to get better but also specifically to dethrone the Lakers. It's part of the reason why winning consecutive championships are so difficult. Our talent and experience will help, but unless we somehow get better as well (or find a way to de-age our best players), the Lakers will fall. Unfortunately, we don't have cap space and we're deep in luxury tax land, so a quick fix via free agency isn't really an option. And while I'm excited for Ebanks and Caracter, even Mitch won't be able to find steals in the draft each year.
SO...the point is...the one sure way we CAN get better is for Bynum to begin stepping it up. Despite his amazing potential, Bynum has been injured for three important seasons now: he missed the 2008 Finals, he was a small factor in the 2009 Finals, he was an important factor but we still could have used more from him in the 2010 Finals.
Especially with the Heat on the rise, we'll need Bynum to exploit their weakness at the center position.
The sky is not falling and won't be until the Lakers lose in the playoffs, but if Bynum doesn't live up to his potential, we might not know the sky fell until it's too late. And Ammo won't be there to save us =P.
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ok wait
getting injured is not an “option” for anyone. no one plans on getting injured, its just somthing that unfortuneatly happens to people.
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
It's a saying
Don’t take it literally
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."--Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
by sctrojan13 on Jul 17, 2010 4:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about dominate
Maybe your definition of dominate is different than mine but I think he is 2-3 years away from dominating. But I do agree him staying healthy is imperative. A lot of people might not agree but if Bynum had missed these playoffs, I think the Thunder would have won.
Bynum needs to be start becoming one of the best centers in the game at the point where no one can doubt it. His health and Kobe’s health are, as you said, imperative. The team we had in the Finals probably would have lost to the Heat, and the team without Bynum will.
We have probably 1-2 more years of Kobe as the best player (his health is probably the biggest indicator of how big that number is), 2 after that with Pau as the best, and after that this is Drew’s team. He needs to stay healthy and keep developing so Drew’s Lakers can compete with the best.
(side note, I think the next few drafts will be interesting because the Lakers will do their best to find eventual replacements for 2&24 with hopefully 3-5 set, but sorry for getting ahead of myself, the Lakers have some Heat and Thunder butt to kick first)
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."--Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
by sctrojan13 on Jul 17, 2010 4:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
haha thank you captain obvious…. I don’t think its as necessary as you are projecting it to be. We could probably still be competitive with the Bynum we had this past post season, just our lives would be much easier if he went back to being the Bynum that got 18 points, 10 rbs, and 2 blocks a game.
If you look at other teams, none of the ones we have to worry about got necessarily bigger. The only “big” teams we have to worry about are Portland and the Celtics. What the chances 3 years removed from a championship make it back to the finals again? not very good. What are the chances Portland just starts to click? not very good. The teams we do have to worry about are teams with prolific scorers and pg’s.
Obviously Denver, OKC, and Miami fall under those categories. Having Bynum healthy will put the us in heavy favor to win, but I dont think if he was 70% we’d be doing too badly either. Just other teams wouldn’t have to worry about their interior D as much
In Kobe we trust!
Don't forget about the Mavericks
They may not have literally gotten bigger, but they improved their center situation a lot. Dampier was not good, living in Dallas the past 5 years has shown me that. Haywood and Chandler need to learn the system, and they have to figure out how to use Butler and Marion but they can’t be overlooked with the
crazy talent on that roster.
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."--Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
by sctrojan13 on Jul 17, 2010 6:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Chandler a couple years ago may have been an improvement over Dampier, but at this point the Mavericks traded their starting center for a guy who may be too beat up to even make the rotation. That was a bad trade, and even if it wasn’t we’re still talking about a team that couldn’t get out of the first round despite down the stretch being probably the healthiest team in the league adding an injury prone dude well past his prime and not much else. It’s time to stop talking about Dallas.
by Derek Fisher Fan on Jul 24, 2010 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Also Houston too
They have a ton of questions from is their guard combination going to continue to improve to their PF situation to Yao’s health, but with their new backup center Brad Miller, the Rockets have the potential to be really, really good next year and have some size to matchup against the Lakers
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."--Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
by sctrojan13 on Jul 17, 2010 6:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing is, the height works two ways.
Not only does it counteract other teams, but against small teams it provides easy points.
Before Kobe won the title, the line we would all hear was 'Kobe isn't as good as LeBron'. This is far from new. Laker and Kobe fans have heard it before. The names change, the premise remains the same. At different times in history, Tracy McGrady was considered to be better than Kobe. Allen Iverson was once considered his equal. Even the likes of Vince Carter, Grant Hill and Jerry Stackhouse were given the 'next Jordan' title.
Kobe has beaten all comers. They have retreated into the shadows as pretenders, whilst Kobe outlasted them all to stand alone in the League today, with his 5 rings and innumerable accolades.
Now? All the haters have left to say is ’Kobe’s no Jordan.’
You know what? They’re right. He’s not Michael Jordan. He’s Kobe Bean Bryant. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 18, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
why do u think its funny?
I just really hope we keep them. they are tons of talent and possibly our future stars of the lakers.
Sonofa Bean Dip Motha-Frito!
I know
but don’t expect Mitch to find steals like Ebanks and Caracter every single year
You're talking about the Lakers.
The history of the organization, the culture. This team wins, and you can’t expect to get steals in the draft when we have 2nd round picks and late 1st rounders.
Sweet 16
But we're the team that sold picks for 3 million bucks last time...
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
do you think they will make the roster?
i sure hope so
Kobe: "Listen, if you told me at the beginning of the year that we’ve got two games at home to win a championship, yeah, I’ll take that shit"
they should fill up the last roster spots
its unlikely that both Powell and Mbenga will come back. Plus AMMO is as good as gone.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Yea, they will make the roster.
1. Fisher (Blake)
2. Bryant (Vujacic, Brown?)
3. Artest (Walton, Ebanks, ?)
4. Gasol (Odom, Caracter)
5. Bynum (Caracter, ?)
Sweet 16
if we re-sign shannon, we just need one more big and our roster is pretty much set
Kurt Thomas and Joe Smith are on the market still. We can get one of them for vets min.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Caracter can play the 5??
He seems a bit undersized for that, height-wise
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He's a much better fit at the four
As he demonstrated against Cousins, he can score against fives, but I’d much rather him match up against fours he can take to the block and defend much easier.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
He apparently has issues defending stretch fours, according to DE.
But after he lost so much weight, the improved lateral quickness should definitely help.
Before Kobe won the title, the line we would all hear was 'Kobe isn't as good as LeBron'. This is far from new. Laker and Kobe fans have heard it before. The names change, the premise remains the same. At different times in history, Tracy McGrady was considered to be better than Kobe. Allen Iverson was once considered his equal. Even the likes of Vince Carter, Grant Hill and Jerry Stackhouse were given the 'next Jordan' title.
Kobe has beaten all comers. They have retreated into the shadows as pretenders, whilst Kobe outlasted them all to stand alone in the League today, with his 5 rings and innumerable accolades.
Now? All the haters have left to say is ’Kobe’s no Jordan.’
You know what? They’re right. He’s not Michael Jordan. He’s Kobe Bean Bryant. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 18, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, it should
But I’d rather have him take his lumps learning perimeter defense than simply getting overpowered in the post. You can fix the former; no way to improve in the latter.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Well, he might come in for Bynum, and that will slide Gasol to the 5.
Thats what I meant. 20/20 and all
Sweet 16
by bluexfalcon on Jul 17, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It's close to midnight
Something evil’s lurking in the dark
I'm a diehard Cavs fan, proud to say I never owned a LeBron jersey.
Did someone say lurk?
LakerUNTLD where you at?
Sweet 16
by bluexfalcon on Jul 17, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't lurk
I’m conspicuous…I want to be noticed.
by California Waves on Jul 17, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for your honesty?
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
i personally believe that as you go deeper in playoffs the offense keeps declining
the reason obviously for that is fatigue… so thats why Championships are mostly won on Defensive end… other than Celts and Magic i still dont see who can challenge Lakers…Heat might have stacked up in offense but who can seriously picture Bosh dominating in offense/defense in Finals? i dont think he has ever been that deep in playoffs…thats why i believe Bosh will become almost a non factor, while Lebron will let DWade carry the offense where Lebron will just be the distributor…
That doesn’t make any sense at all. Offense does not decline.
It’s just better defensive teams that make it through further in the playoffs.
Overwhelmingly good offense can compensate for bad defense
Problem occurs when that offense meets a solid defense on top of that bad defense getting shredded by a potent offense. The Phoenix series was definitely more about the latter as far as our eventual victory though.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Hopefully, if he can go a year without significant injury
He’ll be a force come playoff time. It was not long ago that I DO remember him dominating, just before he injured his knee for the second time.
A lot of it is about confidence and not thinking about getting injured. So, if enough time can pass without him getting injured, he won’t play with that worry on his mind… and he’ll play better, like we know he is capable.
If that can happen, the following year could be a monster year for him. But his playing history has been one of injury. I expect him to continue to have to play through injuries, like most players.
I do think that playing through pain and winning the championship must have done something good for his confidence.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
15 ppg, 10 rpg, 3 bpg
My dream stat line for him next season
Born purple and gold. Live purple and gold. Die purple and gold.
That is a good stat line
Although I have to say: if Drew got 2-3 more shots more per game and stayed on the court a bit more, I think he can average 18-11 like Pau did last season.
This year, he scored 15 PPG on an average of 10 shots and grabbed around 8 boards in 30 mins of action.
In fact, and I’ve said this in other posts, if he commanded the ball like Shaq used to and, as such, had something like 15-17 shots per game and played 35+ minutes a game, I think he could average around 25 ppg and haul in 10-14 boards. It’s worth noting also that such a projection does not take into account Bynum’s injury history which could and probably would mean that he such numbers are not a guarantee.
And, obviously, on this Lakers team, Drew is not the number 1 or 1a option like Shaq was in the early 2000s, so he’ll never consistently take that many shots or play that many minutes – nor should he given the available options on this current Lakers team. I do think, though, that if he could give us 70+ ‘healthy’ games this year and in the seasons to come, we have a chance to be even more formidable. As I said, though, that’s a huge ‘if’ with Drew unfortunately.
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
You forgot the best part of that stat line though...
82 games!!! =P
Just sit him out of any Memphis games and we'll be fine~
Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...
Sit the whole team down against the Grizzlies. haha
Send out the LA Defenders. Cant risk anything
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by RA37thriller on Jul 18, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
not just sit him out of MEMPHIS games
if i were phil, i make Drew stay home for sickness leave of absense when we playe them
I think Andrew Bynum is not agressive enough.
He’s a 7 footer. He should be able to score at will and dominate the paint against smaller centers and compete against the talented ones.
- I still think if LA managed to bring Bosh this summer, LA would have a bright future and a plus over Bynum.
Ughh
No, just no. It always was and always be an awful idea to trade Bynum for Bosh.
For the first set of reasons, let’s look Bosh and how he would fit with this team. Pau becomes center and I’m still not 100% convinced that he has become that much tougher, he was just allowed to play PF so comparatively he was tougher. If, like most people, you disagree with that, look at the prospect of Bosh on the same court as Pau. Their game is too similar and you need a true post player especially when you have a star guard. Finally, Bosh, Pau, and Odom just looks like a group that can be knocked around inside.
Next, let’s look at Bynum. First of all, he is the third option on the offense. A third option can’t be dominant on a regular basis without becoming the second or first option just by virtue of how well they are playing and the importance of getting them the ball. Kobe is the best guard, and Pau is one of the top 3 forwards, he is not passing either of them. Most importantly, dude is freakin 22. He will turn 23 in the beginning of the season. You are mad that a 22 year old center isn’t dominant yet? If you aren’t Dwight Howard (the first option on his team, even if the guards forget it sometimes), that is pretty typical. Next, he is improving year after year. I will exclude the 2007-2008 season from the following numbers, because he was the 2nd option and it was pre-Pau and it was only 35 games. His ppg, fg%, rpg, orpg (it stagnated this year, but didn’t decrease), and ft% have all risen each year. This is pretty impressive based off the fact that 06-07 was the last time he played a full season.
Hate on the guy’s inability to stay healthy, not his game.
"Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.
Sorry, but that’s simply not how it works."
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."--Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
insightful sctrojan13
i do agree w u …i just hope that bynum stays healthy and if he does, we rock n roll again…bring on Lebum and Heats
Bynum can't 'score at will' because he's the third option on offense and will remain so as long as Kobe and Pau are producing.
Before Kobe won the title, the line we would all hear was 'Kobe isn't as good as LeBron'. This is far from new. Laker and Kobe fans have heard it before. The names change, the premise remains the same. At different times in history, Tracy McGrady was considered to be better than Kobe. Allen Iverson was once considered his equal. Even the likes of Vince Carter, Grant Hill and Jerry Stackhouse were given the 'next Jordan' title.
Kobe has beaten all comers. They have retreated into the shadows as pretenders, whilst Kobe outlasted them all to stand alone in the League today, with his 5 rings and innumerable accolades.
Now? All the haters have left to say is ’Kobe’s no Jordan.’
You know what? They’re right. He’s not Michael Jordan. He’s Kobe Bean Bryant. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.
by Saurav A. Das on Jul 19, 2010 3:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldnt say its imperative for him to dominate next season
the Lakers have fared ok in the playoffs/ finals with him not at full strength and if we are fortunate enough to get back to the finals, and face the Heat, they wont really have much to counter with at center. Anyway, I hope he can stay healthy this season. A healthy Bynum in the playoffs obviously makes life easier for the team.
Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?
Just a thought...
Bynum actually played pretty hard against some tough playoffs teams and even some play in the psychotic Celtics series on a messed up knee and nothing else broke. That sounds like a good test of durability to me. My guess would be Bynum this coming season for 70+ games.
Hoping that he does
With a full power Bynum, no team in the NBA is going to stop us
I don't know about that
Miami is looking good right now…
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
they won't win in a 7 game series
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A healthy Bynum and Gasol would rip Bosh and Z to shreds on the post. Kobe in the clutch would be way better than Wade and LeBron combined.
Feed the bigs early, go to Kobe in the clutch. Lakers in 6.
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by true_lakerfan on Jul 20, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a Heat fan, but I'm getting skeptical
Ron Artest will get shredded on the offensive side by ’Bron.
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
I don't know...
…if I’m ever gonna trust Bynum to make it through the full season. This is a notable and worrisome lower body history for somebody this young. He’s about the oldest playing 23 year old I’ve seen (excepting the creaky Oden).
paycheck
His paycheck is around the same as Wade-LeBron-Bosh… And increasing over the next two years… So let’s say, if he doesn’t step at least a bit up, he’ll become trade-prone.
by Belgian Chocolate Lake on Jul 21, 2010 2:17 AM PDT reply actions
He's a huge part of our offense and defense
When he’s in the paint, the Lakers dominate. He is big, alters shots, and can score on anybody in the league. Sure he’s been hurt, but he showed heart in the finals. He’s going to be awesome, and continues to kick ass.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
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