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The big 3 in Miami should have been special; LeBron James made it despicable

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LeBron James, Chris Bosh, and Dwyane Wade have all signed for the same NBA team.  3 in-their-prime superstars, all on one team.  In order to play together, the big 3 all agreed to contracts which are less than what they could have obtained elsewhere on the open market.  They all are theoretically agreeing to share the spotlight, to let their stats fall off.  In short, all three have made sacrifices to their individual glory, income, and perhaps even their individual legacies, for the chance to be a part of a special team, a team that has potential we've never even dreamed of.

Fans have been begging for this to happen for eons.  Since the time when big money and sports became synonymous, we fans have been treated to a constant barrage of players taking the money when faced with the same choice the big 3 all faced.  We understand that there is a business side of sports, but it doesn't stop us from ignoring that side as we fall in love with our players and teams.  So, every time a star takes a little bit more money to play on a less successful team, we always fall back on the same old thing "Why couldn't you have been willing to sacrifice a little cash to play for a winner."  Hell, as Lakers fans, we know this argument better than most.  We said it to Trevor Ariza last year, as his agent tried to bluff the Lakers that Ariza was serious about making more money than they were offering.  Now, Ariza's former teammates all have one ring more than he does, and we all think to ourselves "See?".

The Laker fan in me is not thrilled about the big 3 in Miami.  They pose a significant threat to my beloved team.  Maybe next year, maybe not, but only a colossal failure to co-exist will keep that team from being dominant in 2-3 years, if not right away.  But the sports fan in me should LOVE this development.  Here is what we've been asking for all this time.  Three guys sacrificing for the sake of a team, superstars sacrificing for the sake of a team.  Why isn't the sports fan in me celebrating.  Why aren't national columnists singing praises for these 3?  Why aren't we being treated to a barrage of stories about the big 3's unprecedented sacrifice?

Because LeBron James screwed it all up.  The big 3 should have been celebrated.  Instead, LeBron is being vilified.  The Miami Heat should be a team that everyone roots for (after their own teams, of course).  Instead, they will be the team that everyone roots against.  The sad part is, it didn't have to be like this. There is an alternate reality, a reality in which this exact same event just happened (the big 3 signing in Miami) and the sports world is celebrating it's occurrence. Let me take you through it.

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It starts with the city of Cleveland.  If you weren't already aware before, you should well know by now that Cleveland is probably the most tortured fan-base in all of professional sports, and after this debacle, it's probably not even close.  You should know this because it's been mentioned as part of every LeBron story that has come out in the past 96 hours.  A quick run-through of the details: no championship, in any sport, since 1964, a feat that is even more impressive/tragic when you consider they have teams in 3 out of the 4 major sports leagues.  Their owner stole the Cleveland Browns from them and moved to Balitmore (they ended up getting an expansion team back, but it was still pretty harsh).  But it goes beyond that.  The city of Cleveland has been on the wrong end of some of the most heart-breaking sports moments of our time.  They rattle off these moments with one word titles.  The Shot, The Drive, The Fumble.  There's probably a lot more that I don't even know about.

Then comes the storybook beginning.  LeBron James, an Akron (and therefore Cleveland) native, a kid who possesses more potential than perhaps the game of basketball has ever seen, who might be the best athlete the world has ever seen, magically falls into the hands of his hometown Cavaliers.  He is hyped more than any player ever, and yet he lives up to it all.  And he's one of their own.  He knows what it's like to love sports in Cleveland.  He knows the sports tragedies that have been suffered.

Fast forward to two years ago.  The Olympics have just taken place, and Kobe Bryant has just led the US to the gold medal.  Along the way, Team USA, filled with the biggest names in basketball, have all become great friends.  Watch Kobe hug Carmelo Anthony before a game, watch any one of these guys talk about how great of a player one of their USA teammates is, or listen as they describe the Team USA experience.  James, Bosh, and Wade were all a part of that team, and it was the beginning of the camaraderie that has led us to where we are now.  Perhaps they all agreed to do this at that moment, perhaps it was just an idea, or perhaps it was simply the seeds being planted.

Here is where our realities diverge.  You already know what happened.  Here is what should have happened.

In the alternate reality, LeBron James doesn't spend two years hyping his impending free agency in 2010.  He doesn't openly flirt with multiple other teams.  He doesn't openly talk about his love for Madison Square Garden, or make little inferences that he'd like to play in New York.  He doesn't have shoes that match a team's colors that aren't even his.  He doesn't get the hopes of 5-6 NBA franchises up that he is genuinely interested in playing for them.  He simply goes about his business.  There's a way to be an impending free agent without playing it up.  LeBron needed to look no further than his future teammate, Dwyane Wade, to see how.  Wade is a special talent, too.  Perhaps not quite on LeBron's level talent-wise, but he was clearly the 1-A prize in free agency this year.  And yet, you hardly heard a word about cities he'd love to play in, or where he's thinking about going, because he just went about his business.  He didn't have to commit to anybody, didn't have to say anything for people to know where he might consider playing.

Instead, LeBron did everything he could to encourage the hype, all the while rubbing it in the faces of the Cleveland supporters.  And yet, they still loved him unconditionally because he was still theirs, and because any negative reaction on their part to his antics could ultimately result in his leaving.  So, they put up with his flirtations, they kept on loving him, and they showed him all the loyalty he wasn't showing them, hoping against hope that in the end, LeBron's show of interest in everybody else would be just that, a show.

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In the alternate reality, the 2009 playoffs occur exactly as they actually did.  The Cavs, despite having the best regular season record, crash out in the Eastern Conference Finals.  They do so, despite the fact that LeBron plays fantastically.  His teammates let him down and fail to perform.  The message is clear, and LeBron doesn't even need to give it.  "We need more help".  So the Cavs trade for Shaquille O'neal, giving nothing but spare parts in return.  They go on to have the best regular season record in the league for the 2nd straight year, and while already having that best record, they make a trade for Antawn Jamison, losing only Zydrunas Ilgauskus' services for a month before getting him back.  They do everything they can to give LeBron the help he needs.  Perhaps they don't make the smartest decisions about which help to get, but the decisions they do make are done with LeBron's blessing, and perhaps even at his behest. 

Then, we arrive at the 2010 playoffs.  In the real world, the Cavs destroyed their first round opponent and were going up against a Celtics team that nobody knew was about to launch a very impressive underdog playoff run.  But it is how the Celtics beat the Cavs that is the focus of our story.  They beat the Cavs because LeBron James played one of the worst playoff series' of his career.  He played poorly in all four of the Cavs losses, but that doesn't matter.  He played quite poorly in the final loss, but that doesn't matter either.  In Game 5, in what ended up being his last game in Cleveland as a member of the Cavaliers, LeBron James didn't play badly.  Instead, he didn't try at all.  Players can have bad games, hell, players can have a bad series, or even a bad season.  Kobe Bryant had a terrible game in the biggest game of his career, Game 7 of the NBA Finals.  But, in a game that will end up defining his career, LeBron James just stopped trying.  I don't know if he gave up, I don't know if he already knew he was leaving and it affected his play, I don't know if the crazy internet rumors about his mom having an affair with Delonte West were true, I have no idea what could have caused him to play that way in such a pivotal game.  I don't think we'll ever know.  Making matters worse, his response, after a game in which he clearly wasn't even trying, was to say "I spoil people with my play.  When you play 3 bad games in 7 years, people make a big deal about it".

In the alternate reality, LeBron doesn't give up.  He plays the way he always does, the closest thing to a consistently unstoppable force that we have in this league.  Maybe the Cavs beat the Celtics, maybe they don't.  Maybe the Cavs make it to the Finals, maybe they don't.  Maybe the Cavs are the NBA champions right now.  Who knows, who cares?  The point is this:  If LeBron had gone out swinging, instead of talking about how "spoiled" his fans were for getting to watch him play well, this whole story has a different ring to it.  If the Cavs are the champions, and he leaves for Miami, well, he accomplished the goal he set out to achieve.  If he plays his best and the Cavs come up short, nobody is mad at him for wanting to go to a team that has the necessary talent to help him reach the top.  Instead, it was his fault his team crashed out of the playoffs unexpectedly, and his choice to go to the Heat looks much more like a cop out than a smart decision.  He's following Wade instead of joining him.

Now we've arrived at the free agency period.  Keep in mind, this already looks different in the alternate reality because James hasn't been building it up.  Let's just assume, for the sake of the argument, that LeBron knew, or at least had a very strong idea, that he wanted to join Wade and Bosh.  It's not an unreasonable assumption, as Stephen A. Smith did report this was a done deal a couple weeks beforehand.  Since then, Smith has further implied that these guys agreed to do this months ago, and that it was James who was actually the driving force.  Say what you want about Smith as a credible source, but dude nailed this story, and was promptly killed for it, only to be vindicated in the end.  Regardless, let's just say that all three stars signing in Miami was closer to inevitable than improbable.  How could LeBron have left the city of Cleveland without the backlash he's now receiving?

He could have started by being up front with the Cavs organization, privately, quietly, behind closed doors, informing them that, in all likelihood, he would be leaving.  Then, even if he does want to hear what all these other teams have to say, he could have chosen a neutral location for these guys to make their pitches to him, instead of downtown Cleveland, once again taking every opportunity (or failing to realize the symbolism) to rub it in his fans' faces that he was looking elsewhere.

And then, of course, there is the announcement.  If LeBron, Wade, and Bosh really did all want to play on the same team, to make this about sacrificing individual glory to be a part of a legendary team, in our alternate reality, he would have announced his decision at the same time as Wade and Bosh.  They could have had a press conference, each one of them could have talked about how this isn't about I, it's about we.  He could have thanked the city of Cleveland for their devoted support, talked about his regret that he was unable to bring them a championship, and focused on how he wanted to play with his friends and be part of something special.  It would have been completely symbolic of every positive aspect this super team had the potential to represent.

Instead, he let Bosh and Wade commit first, so that his announcement to join the Heat would be about him deciding to join them, instead of all of them joining together.  And, in one last exercise in public humiliation, his people set up an hour long special during which he would announce his decision, nationally televised.  If they were attempting to build a sense of anticipation, congratulations, it worked.  But, if they were attempting to further build the LeBron brand, by allowing him to spit in his former fans' faces, in front of the entire country, well, let's just say that decision might have backfired a little bit.  It's hard to imagine anybody, in the history of sports, topping this moment in terms of giving the middle finger to the people who have supported you your entire career.  To add insult to injury, he spent time during the special talking about his loyalty, in the exact moment he was showing how much loyalty he had. 

It didn't have to be this way.  If LeBron handles his impending free agency like a business decision instead of a popularity contest (like, say, D-Wade did), maybe the Cavs don't make the wrong choices (wrong choices that he wanted) in trying to build a team around him.  If his team's final failing in the playoffs wasn't because he choked/gave up, then nobody is blaming him for jumping ship for a team with more talent.  Hell, if he played his heart out while his team let him down (as happened in 2009), I genuinely believe even the city of Cleveland understands his decision.  They'd be despondent, they'd ask why stuff like this keeps on happening to them, but they'd understand.  They'd still love LeBron for all the good he did for the city and the franchise (and he did do good, for both).  They'd be happy for him if (when) he won a championship in Miami.  Plus, since his team would have failed him instead of the other way around, all those stories you are seeing about how LeBron can't lead a team to a championship aren't there.  He's not riding Wade's coattails, because we haven't seen that he's incapable of leading a team to a ring, only that he's never played on a team with enough talent to be led. But his playoff failure did happen, and in that light, his move looks like he's admitting he can't do it without someone else to lead him there.  Now, we have stories about how he's taking the easy way out, trying to avoid responsibility, and how his individual legacy will never match that of Jordan, Kobe, or even Wade.

This could have been a seminal moment for sports.  It could have been the moment when three of the country's biggest sports stars got together and decided to sacrifice for the team, to sacrifice for each other.  But, even in making that sacrifice, even in choosing to forgo dollars, statistics, and individual glory, LeBron James couldn't help but make it about him.  The hyped up free agency, the excuses for playoff failure, the parade of suitors, the separate announcement, and the final press conference, all of it screamed from the rooftops "It's all about ME."  It ended up being a seminal moment, just not the one we were hoping for.

Congratulations, LeBron, your plan worked to perfection.  3 of the biggest stars in the NBA all signed with the same team, making sacrifices along the way, in the hopes of achieving something special, but that's not what the story is.  The story is how you treated the fans who have loved you since your career began like dirt.  The story is about how you don't have the stuff to win a championship on your own, that you can't lead a team to the promised land, so you've chosen to ride somebody else's coattails.  You are the story.  You got what you wanted. 

Just be careful what you wish for.

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Some of you will already know this

but I took the ideas for this piece from comments I made in one of the fanposts about LeBron. I realized after making those comments that they deserved some elaboration, so here were are.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 11, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

You're welcome for the idea.

I posted a long response at my spot…I’d like to know if you have any more comments.

I will stress again, LeBron was not in control of how the decision was made. ESPN/ABC were. There’s no surprise that it aired on Thursday night, what has become the NBA’s night of choice.

Let’s hope he doesn’t get what he wishes for until at least 3 years from now.

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 11, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't know my computer had a sound effect for...........

“bitchslap”

Apparently it does.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 12, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

lol

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 12, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

man, your one-liners rock!

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clark did a number on this guy that no other man could from the other did.

Though I must point out that he lost any credibility he did on that other thread before coming here anyways.

by shoang1993 on Jul 12, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even though I can't really understand your first sentence....

I agree with it anyway.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 12, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clark did a number on this guy that no other man from the other thread could.*

Total…. screw-up.

by shoang1993 on Jul 12, 2010 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense now =D

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

got it.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah sorry about that. I did attend an IB school in China but my English still lacks the American touch.

by shoang1993 on Jul 12, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

no problem...

I got the idea. That didn’t seem like an English issue, but more of an “I type faster that I think” problem.

I do it all the time.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 12, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

you mean...

“I type faster than I think?”

lol

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

shit....

epic fail…….I think that will be on my tombstone.

Or maybe pepperoni. One or the other.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 12, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahaha...

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 12, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great points. Also...

If ESPN had even hinted at trying to control the circumstances, all LeBron had to do was make a call to, oh, ANY OTHER NETWORK, and tell them he wants to go with them, but on his terms.

No, this was LeBron’s idea (or his “team’s” idea, which is one and the same, as far as doling out responsibility for it). It was orchestrated by LeBron. And even on the off chance that’s not true, it’s irrelevant, because he had the power to stop it, or change it, or do whatever the hell he wanted.

And whatever the hell he wanted was precisely the hideous event you witnessed on Thursday night.

They say if you can't beat them, join them. By joining them, LeBron just admitted he can't beat them.

by Josh Tucker on Jul 12, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why must you resort to expletives just because I don't agree with you?

You do not know what kind of weight LeBron has carried as a teenager and as a young adult. My point is that until you walk in his huge shoes, feel the day-to-day pressure of what it’s like to be LeBron, it’s not fair to say he can just say “Um, no, I’m not doing this on national TV.”

This a.m. on Dan Patrick’s radio show, Cal Ripken, Jr. said he “gave in to the process” on the day he broke Lou Gehrig’s consecutive games record. He elaborated by saying that he did not want to stop the game and tour around the stadium but it’s what was organized and he felt compelled to carry on.

Is Cal Ripken, Jr., one of the most respected MLB players of all time, acting “like a child” by giving in instead of saying “no”? Was he uncharacteristically narcissistic? He could have said, “I’m staying in the dugout, get the teams back out there and play ball”.

You’ll probably say that was an achievement, not a free agent signing, no way can you compare those two events. I agree the events were different in nature, but in Ripken, Jr.’s case it completely disrupted the game. LeBron made you throw up your dinner. Wow, I can imagine the outrage from you and other commenters had LeBron been able to announce it at halftime of Game 7!

Oh, by the way, that baseball game was televised on ESPN…the “tribute” portion was shown commercial-free. There were no donations to any boys and girls clubs.

The only standard I hold LeBron to is his play on the court…time will tell whether you are right or I had the correct opinion. That “decision” was the end of his “childhood”, what comes next is his “grown man” legacy.

On this point, I will have to respectfully disagree with you.

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 12, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Now you're just being silly.
Wow, I can imagine the outrage from you and other commenters had LeBron been able to announce it at halftime of Game 7!

And you really can’t compare the two situations. LeBron has been working on this stunt for weeks, if not months, with his “team”. He had complete control and every opportunity to go about it differently.Cal Ripken was about to do something historical and arrangements were made to honor him, just like they did for Hank Aaron when he broke Babe Ruth’s record, and for Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa when they broke Roger Maris’ record. Those kinds of things happen in-game, always. Very different situations.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 12, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't "resort" to expletives

Shit is just another word around here. Language is language. But if you want to play it that way, I’m sorry to have offended. Consider my statement changed to “That’s just about the biggest crock of [really foul tasting and smelling food] I’ve ever heard.” As you can see, my choice of words was done only for efficiency’s sake. I certainly didn’t intend to offend you.

In any case, you really summed this up perfectly. On this point, and every other point you’ve tried to make, I will have to respectfully disagree with you. I’m done trying to sort you out. If you don’t think LeBron did anything wrong, if you don’t want him to have to face any responsibility for his part (and it was the lead role) in one of the biggest PR disasters in sports history, then I’m done trying to prove otherwise. Think whatever you want about it, I’m done trying to convince you.

But just as one last parting shot, the premise behind your latest argument is simply laughable. I could care less about the fact that Cal Ripken’s acheivement is different than LeBron James free agent signing. I don’t care that the reason the game was interrupted for Ripken, the reason the tribute and the game interruption occurred, was so that the fans could celebrate the achievement, while LeBron’s fiasco resulted in just as many fans being slapped in the face as celebrated his new destination. I don’t even care that your interpretation of the event (that LeBron felt compelled to announce on national TV) actually implies an even bigger ego to the man than if it was done because he wanted to, and I didn’t even know that was possible.

No, the reason your premise is laughable is because it defeats your own original argument as much as it does mine. If I can’t establish or imply anything negative, any poor thought process on LeBron’s part, because I don’t know what it’s like to be LeBron, then you don’t get to imply anything positive either. That’s a double edged sword. For all the reasons you tried to use it to debunk my argument, it debunks yours just as well. LeBron made a grown man move? How can you know? You’ve never spent a day in his huge shoes. Until you do, you’ll never know if perhaps he is running to the Heat like a scared little puppy, afraid of bearing the responsibility of being the leader. You were the one trying to make implications about why his decision was a positive thing, and now I don’t get to make any implications the other way because I don’t know the man?

Yeah, I think we’re done here. Feel free to launch a parting shot of your own. I’ll let it go without response. I have no interest in furthering this conversation.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 13, 2010 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Honestly.

Grown men don’t need a group of people making decisions for him.

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

His people called ESPN.

They told ESPN they wanted a 1hr special on Thursday night (which was the night after his Akron Skills Camp finished, hence by waiting until after then it ensured he wouldn’t get mobbed at the camp), and sources had confirmed he intended to make his announcement on Thursday night well before he contacted ESPN about the show.

LeBron chose the location. He even chose, and PAID FOR, his own goddamned interviewer (Jon Barry). And you’re trying to say ESPN was in control. Heh.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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"LeBron James does not want the pressure of greatness, only the rewards" - shaqforthree

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 12, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wasn't it Jim Gray?

Not Barry?

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Most tortured fan base...

I may have to disagree with you, and say Seattle, sir.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Great point.

I often wonder, when people are talking about loving the Thunder (and I think they are a nice team of guys) but they seem to have so quickly forgotten that team was hijacked away from a city full of really good and loyal basketball fans.

by svspider on Jul 11, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, crushed me.

Only championship in Seattle professional sports, 1979.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Should we condemn our beloved Lakers for doing the same back in the day?

Minneapolis was probably pretty loyal, the Lakers won multiple Championships there. And, to throw it in their faces, the L.A. version of the franchise kept the name Lakers so the people of Minneapolis can always share with successive generations about the pain felt in Minnesota by every L.A. Lakers success.

At least Oklahoma City didn’t keep the name Sonics.

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 11, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Minny to LA is not the same

The NBA back then was considered a backwater, YMCA league at the time. I doubt that there are many MPLS Laker fans around back when the team was in MPLS/St. Paul, much less still resenting the team for leaving still around now. Even when one considers the Mikan era, that had little home support, and it was Mikan, not the Lakers, that would get the billing when that team went on the road, i.e. "Tonight at Madison Square Garden, it’s the NY Knickerbockers vs. George Mikan.

by Walter M on Jul 12, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

NBA was a backseat to the other basketball league of the time.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 13, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's not really an argument I care to get into

seeing as how I’m not well versed in the misery of either place. I lean towards Cleveland because their failures are more famous, but if you want to head the other way, it’s not really important.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 11, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha yep,

no argument, just a different opinion, biased towards me.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Over multiple sports.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault." C.A Clark on the Miami Heat

"LeBron James does not want the pressure of greatness, only the rewards" - shaqforthree

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 11, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

With all the Epic championship failures Cleveland has had, along with media disrespect for the past 50+ years, I’d have to go with Cleveland here.

Don't be afraid to fight for your rights!

by IBHMC on Jul 11, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heh, I've only been alive for nearly 17,

So I wouldn’t know about the full history of Cleveland sports, just speaking about what I know of Seattle sports (fail).

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan.." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleveland team by team heartache

CLE:
Browns: last championship: 1964, after which Jim Brown retires at the age of 30, when many thought he could have continued playing for much longer. Years of getting crushed by the Steelers, only to finally make it to the playoffs and lose to the Raiders by a point when in already in field goal range. The game is remembered by all Cleveland by the name of the pass play that was called when a run up the middle would have set up a field goal, Red Right 88. 85 playoffs, up 21-3 at the half, lose to Marino’s Fins 24-21. 86, The Drive, 87, the Fumble, 95: Team moves to B-More because owner wants new stadium and city builds Rock N Roll Hall of Fame instead, and for some reason a new football stadium was not part of an excise liquor tax that helped build Gund Arena and Jacobs Field. 2000: B-More wins Super Bowl over GMen.
Rams: Win only title in 1945, forced to move to LA following year.
Cavs: Stepien rule- owner is so bad that a rule is created to prevent him from trading first round picks in consecutive years, one of these picks being used by the Lakers to draft Big Game James. 89: The Shot. 2007: swept by Spurs after reaching Finals for the only time. 2010: the Decision.
Indians: last title 1948. Great 50s teams constantly come in second to Yanks, 1954 team wins 111 games, highest winning percentage ever, and loses to NY Giants (their last title- suck it SF!) when Willie Mays makes The Catch. General suckitude highlighted by movie Major League, lowlighted by 10 Cent Beer Night riot, and Major League 2 and 3. 1995 lose World Series to Braves (Braves only title). 1996: lose to Orioles. 1997 two outs away from winning WS, Jose Mesa blows 2-1 lead in the bottom of the ninth, and the Marlins win title in the 11th and then the Marlins proceed to have a fire sale before the champagne from the victory celebration is warm (welcome to the Dodgers, Kevin Brown!). 1998 lose to Yankees, second Torre era title team, and first of three straight for the Yanks. 1999, up 2-0, lose to the Red Sox in 5 in the ALDS. 2007, Up 3-1, lose to Red Sox in 7 in ALCS. Sabathia wins Cy Young, 2008, injury plagued season, Sabathia traded, Cliff Lee wins Cy Young. 2009 Cliff Lee traded, 1st time a team has traded away reigning Cy Young winners in back to back seasons.

by Walter M on Jul 12, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

ouch

the Mesa blown save must have been really painful. Pretty much the closest Cleveland has been to a championship in years.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 12, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Church!

http://twitter.com/wondahbap

by wondahbap on Jul 11, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions  

pretty much how I feel about a lot of LeBron's choices

It was often not the choice, but the way he spun it. Not that he didn’t shake the hands of the Magic players, but that he defended that choice the day after by saying there was no such tradition. Too often he insults the intelligence. Too bad: He is arguably the most effective player in the league (and I say that as a Kobe fan).

by Brian Tung on Jul 11, 2010 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

I disagee about the money part

None of them are going to loose a cent over this decision. They do have a discounted rate for four years, but then will make it up with a max six year contract four years from now. Lebron is probably the only one who could get another full max 6 year contract after a full 6 max contract, but even that is a guess, and he will more than make up for that in endorsements being talked about more on that Miami team than he would ever had been in Cleveland.

As far as him being a clueless jerk, yes, but he is a 25 year old guy who has been told for years now he can walk on water, what do you think was going to happen? He will eventually mature (maybe) and this will be probably be forgotten, but the incredibly stupid spectacle will hopefully be prevented by all player agents in the future.

And sure, this team will be entertaining, but root for them? Come on you are taking this a bit far, we are not Clipper fans.

by Cool Dudes on Jul 11, 2010 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Except that, with the possible exception of Bosh

they would have just maxed out now, and then maxed out again in 4 years. I suppose the state tax thing could be coming into play, but I don’t think you can slice it any way as to completely remove the “signing for less” aspect. Hell, they could all have demanded more of Miami’s cap space and forgone the Mike Miller signing if they wanted to, and they would have gotten it.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 11, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

He may be the best physical specimen ever but ...

I agree with C. A. Clark 100%. He is the most selfish, narcissistic, and pompous a**hole in the history of team sports. He is probably the reason why many people will want Miami to fail even though Wade and Bosh deserve the best, and I am saying this as a Lakers fan (well, Phoenix Suns, too)

by starverfokerr on Jul 11, 2010 5:06 PM PDT reply actions  

OK this may be true, but you have to remember

Shaq and Kobe were right up there in those categories when they played together and carried on their feud, so careful throwing stones.

by Cool Dudes on Jul 11, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, shaq came to the lakers with kobe as a rookie

not many expected kobe to become that good that fast.

by Nostance on Jul 11, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very true

The Miami three situation isn’t as similar as the Lakers’ duo situation.

Shaq was already a established superstar. Kobe was just a rookie sitting at the end of the bench waiting for minutes.

Shaq and Kobe had to play a couple more years (two to three) before they became the 3-peat duo. I think it was after the 1999 playoffs, after the 3 airballs, that Kobe worked his butt off to become the Kobe in 2000 that saved us in the Portland game and the Indiana game.

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Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used to respect him

I think all this bowing down to him as the greatest has gotten to his head.

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

by Hdg23 on Jul 11, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I surely hope Bynum’s knees are workable come June next year. If we meet this guys at the Finals w/o a functioning Bynum, we are in deep shit. Lebron & Wade will be eating us inside.

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Jul 11, 2010 5:10 PM PDT reply actions  

For some reason

I think the Celtics/Magic will be just fine against them

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

by Hdg23 on Jul 11, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Man, I hope so.

I am. I think. I will. - Ayn Rand

by vivero on Jul 11, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't forget Chicago...

They are running deep now.

I look at the momentums of the game, and how you affect the game. Statistics can’t tell you that, can’t teach you how to feel a game. Statistics are just for fantasy buffs or something- Kobe Bryant

by Ray DLC on Jul 11, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's forsure.

They’ve got some weapons, and an awesome defensive center.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baby Bulls

…are two deep at every position.

by Walter M on Jul 12, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe Lebron really does idolize Kobe

He wants to take the route of being the most hated player in the league

by Nostance on Jul 11, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

the sad thing is

He still thinks he didn’t do anything wrong nor does he think he’s now become the A-Rod of the NBA.

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Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although it's not really like that...

They’re both hated, but for different reasons. I think Kobe’s misunderstood most of the time

"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest

by Hdg23 on Jul 11, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

He stabs the heart of fans across the country when he defeats their team.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but

Kobe did some douchey things in the past. But he’s grown up a bit because he started winning titles again. LeBron has a lot of growing up to do, and winning a title will remedy that as well. Still, LeDecision was a colossal, douchey PR move he’ll never live down until he does win one (or two).

by allen aoki on Jul 11, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

good post

just one area I disagree with. I think fans would still mostly be upset that he left even if he went down in a fight and handled his free agency in a professional manner. Most people thought he would finally take Cleveland to the promised land especially given he grew up in Akron and they had faith in him to pull it off. But in the end, he left them to go play on this super team, thus taking the easy way out and also showing he has no loyalty what so ever to his former team and city; so I think people would still be upset with him.

 Of course he compounded to this mess exponentially by holding the 1 hour “FUCK YOU CLEVELAND” special along with all the gaffes leading up to the event.

Adam Morrison has more rings than Lebron, Bosh, and Wade combined?

by shaqfor3 on Jul 11, 2010 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

definitely they would be upset

I think C.A. stated this too. But they will move on, without rancor nor bitterness. they’ll see it as a professional move. On the other hand, with what actually happened, respect and dignity fell along the way to Miami.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with a lot of the points brought up here. I wish he did some things differently. But at the same time I feel everyone is blowing things way way way out of proportion. Kobe has been in this position several times, sometimes through his own doing, sometimes not, but people moved on. When did they move on? When he won. A year from now (or 2 or 3) when we win. And Lebron is holding that championship trophy in the air, this will all be ancient history.

#1 LBJ and A-Rod fan
Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 5:29 PM PDT reply actions  

You're still missing a key part of fans' hatred for LBJ

I think it would have been completely different had Wade and/or bosh joined him in Cleveland. LeBron wants to be known as the GOAT, but by joining the Heat, with an already-established superstar, and admitting that he didn’t want the pressure of scoring 30 points per night, he has eliminated himself from GOAT contention. If Wade had joined LBJ in Cleveland, people wouldn’t be as pissed off and disappointed, because Wade has never conducted himself in a cocky, arrogant manner, in which he acts like he’s the best.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Riley,

unlike the Cavs, gave DWade nothing to work with the past couple years while Bron got all kinds of help.

by svspider on Jul 11, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

In addition

Legends don’t usually team up with others until late in their career. See: Garnett, Malone. LBJ is only 25, so he has a decent amount of peak years ahead of him. I think he feared that when he turns 30, his athleticism is gone, and he would struggle to score so easily.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

that last sentence is a pretty valid point considering that he's not mastered the whole game in the way kobe has

"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.

by eLrEiEc on Jul 11, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

His number 1 priority is winning, not GOAT. I think he’s learned that you can’t control where people rank you in silly all time lists, you can control how you go about winning, and putting yourself in a position to win for a long period of time. I think he’d rather a hand full of rings than some subjective credibility on some peoples all time lists.

I think this article puts the situation in perspective nicely:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?page=jackson/100710

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Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

and woops, I meant billionaire

In the next 15 or 20 years, I hope I’ll be the richest man in the world. That’s one of my goals. I want to be a billionaire. I want to get to a position where generation on generation don’t have to worry about nothing. I don’t want family members from my kids to my son’s kids to never have to worry. And I can’t do that now just playing basketball.

LeBron James, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Dec. 10, 2005

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh Lebron James.

I guess you have to kinda respect him for going out and telling the truth as to where his priorities lie.

"I wanted to do what was best for LeBron James, and what LeBron James is going to do to make him happy."- Lebron James

by c.lobster on Jul 11, 2010 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a jester not a king.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Jul 11, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

The double negative in the second to last sentence is extremely confusing.

Don't let the name deceive you, I'm a fan of not only the Sharks, but the Lakers, 49ers, Giants, Angels, (and to a lesser extent) Capitals, and Titans.

by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 11, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

What do you expect?

He did drugs in high school, and didn’t attend college.

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

c'mon

keep it classy

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

he's still slightly

naive to think that billions can’t be lost. He should be aiming to educate on how to finance one’s priorities to maintain wealth instead of creating so much of it one fell swoop that will ultimately die out. For instance, not having your friends run your marketing company and literally shit away millions as they try to build your brand, which only Nike is successfully doing.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

The marketing company is only one part of his net worth, and while it took a while to get started they now have Chris Paul, and when one top level NBA star joins more guys will follow. Every single one of these companies started with one client.

And he and Warren Buffet both said he gets financial advice from Buffet, which obviously means he’s investing part of his income. That might be common sense to most people but a lot of athletes don’t do that, Lebron isn’t one of them

#1 LBJ and A-Rod fan
Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was talking about

making the money so his family doesn’t have to work is dumb. Even Buffett is giving like 75% of his money away to charity works and infrastructure building in less developed countries and his family is going to have to learn to remake what it is they lost anyway. Buffett also doesn’t even spend his money like Lebron spend his, so tell me how much the advice of a billionaire is influencing Lebron.
Also, Buffett wasn’t there for the formation of that marketing company and even he would tell him that that company is shedding money more than its making right now. You’re right its making money because of Lebron recruiting Chris Paul, but it has been hemorraghing his money for years before now. Also, most of his wealth comes from Nike and Gatorade, and whatever other promotions he has. If he has an investment firm good for him, but I’m highly positive that his biggest investment is still in that company. He should be seeing return on it now, but I don’t think people are just going to jump ship because Chris Paul joined, especially with Paul’s current situation. Now, should Paul get a nice contract then we’ll see how it grows, but for real that company is still a fledgling company supported only by his millions. They’re not exactly showing promise with the way the perception of James has been changing for the past two years. They should be teaching him about what to say and what not to say, because while all exposure is good exposure, all marketing is not good marketing. He needs to know that as well, if he wants to maintain his brand well after he’s gone.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 12, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

if he were serious about making money...

then he wouldn’t seeking financial advice from his friends from high school, forcing teams to hire members of his entourage, or investing in ‘marketing’ companies run by his twenty-something friends to help him spread his brand. If The Decision is the best these guys could come up with, they need to go back to school and take some PR classes.

by Walter M on Jul 12, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Idiotic

So he wants every member of his future family to never have to work a day in his/her life. Now, that’s building model citizens, isn’t it?

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by LakersForTrey on Jul 11, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, like we don't have enough of those kids now.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 11, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that's his point

Lebron may have good intentions with his statement, but it is flawed. Even the Queen of England’s sons have work/worked at some point in their lives.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I got the point. I'm agreeing with him.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 12, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

my bad then

thought there was sarcasm there. ;-)

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what, a few hundred million won't last?

Seriously, DB to the nth degree.

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on Jul 11, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

In reference to your article

True, it has happened before, and CA made his point that its not that it happened that has people up in arms, but rather how it happened, with the attention seeking and all. It would be pretty difficult to convince people that LeBron doesn’t care about what people think about him.

"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get that, i get that the way he’s handled this month hasn’t made him very popular, but i just think the hate has gone way too far. Some of the things being said about him weren’t said about Artest or Vick or Arenas or Roethlisberger or Tiger who all did illegal/immoral/disgusting things that dwarf Lebrons actions. The guy left one team for another, in free agency, sure ok he didn’t do it in the most tasteful way, but he doesn’t deserve to be treated like Judas, Hitler and Osama rolled into one.

Now he’s apparently getting death threats and people are saying they’ll burn down his house (those police cars in front of his home aren’t for decoration). People have forgotten about Mel Gibson and BP because of Lebron. I’m not saying we should give him a Nobel prize, but just don’t treat him like the worst person in the world, which a lot of people in the media, and in the general public, are doing. That’s the problem with the modern 24/7 media, it turns relatively minor things into scandals like this.

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Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only sensitive people who drank the Chosen One Kool-Aid to begin with...

are claiming that people are treating LeBron like Hitler, Osama and Judas all in one. An over blown reaction to an overblown player.

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden

by Joshua S on Jul 11, 2010 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

That's terrible that people would threaten him like that.

But nobody is comparing him to those athletes or saying anything bad about about what he did off the court. Although overblown, the hatred is from the Cavs fans who had their hearts broken, and promises unfulfilled by LBJ. Its just the personality and ego that people hate about him. To sum it all up, we were lead to believe by the media and LeBron himself that he was the King, who was chosen to lead the Cavaliers to a title, and be one of the greatest players of all time, but has chosen a backseat role to Wade, who had already established himself as the main superstar and leader of the Heat, because of the overwhelming pressure.

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan.." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

"That's terrible that people would threaten him like that." - LakerUNLTD

This coming from the same person who typed, " What do you expect? He did drugs in high school, and didn’t attend college."

Not threatening, but not understanding.

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 12, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Truly, among a sea of blinded Lakers fans, a voice of reason

Reactions like those on this blog are taken to the “nth” degree about LeBron. It’s time to temper the hatred of him, who as you pointed out, doesn’t deserve this kind of reaction.

Bad signs: They already burned his jersey in Cleveland…nor are the disappointing reactions from my fellow Lakers fans.

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 12, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced you are not a Laker fan

you talk about being a voice of reason, but this guy has been an apologist for Lebron for the past year. When things got rough, blame the lack of solid teammates. When things got great, Lebron is carrying this team. When things were average, well Lebron’s trying but no one is responding. He just compared this reaction to Vick, who was universally oustered out of the NFL and put in jail with death threats and everything for doing a common activity in the South. He compared him to Artest, who was vilified daily and who atoned for his mistake when he sat down and apologized to the man whom he punched years later and who often goes back to say that he regrets that decision wholly. He compared him to Tiger Woods, guilty only of being a terrible example of a good husband. I can’t fault Tiger for stepping out, but I wish he hadn’t. He deserves to play golf again and people were acting like he shouldn’t. The reactions here are significantly less than any of those guys. I mean Tiger Woods had to do a freaking press conference to apologize to everyone because he enjoyed having sex with porn stars and models. We’ve never held Lebron James that accountable. People like you and this guy disgust me. I was right there when it came out that Kobe raped someone. I couldn’t believe it, but he apologized and adamantly denied it, and then the evidence came out and there was just no way it could arguably be convinced that it was rape unless you completely throw out evidence and only take the girls word, over witness encounters of the girl afterward and other evidence unimportant to my argument. I’m just saying, people are finally holding this man responsible for something that HE brought upon HIMSELF. I’m not saying you can’t defend him, but don’t say no one has a right to be mad. They have every right in hell to be mad if this guy has been parading around the city and league as if he owns it and then announces on live television that he’s leaving to a fickle fanbase to leave the one that supported him when everyone was saying that Melo was better his rookie season, supported him when Wade won a championship before him, supported him when he was swept out of the finals. Defended him when he showed a lack of sportsmanship 1 year ago. Defended him AGAIN when he showed possible problems in this playoffs even though it looked like he just wasn’t trying. They have been there for all his ups and downs and have never criticized, never judged him for a minute and the way he thanks them for all their support is by saying “They have a right to have mixed emotions.” GTFO. If kobe left L.A. in this manner, I don’t know what the hell I’d do. I’d be pissed as hell, and for sure I’d root against him the next season. He’s automatically the villain, especially if its the exact same manner. I’d never wear my Kobe jersey again. I’d go out and buy a freaking Gasol jersey. Kobe would still be a great player, but he’s not my favorite anymore he does something like this. Sorry, can’t do it. And if I did root for him, I’d be extremely tongue in cheek about it. I wouldn’t defend him from this fiasco. He did this shit himself. I’d brush it off and let it go and cheer. None of this he made a “grown man move” shit or he’s too young to realize shit. Just he made the decision and move on.
And btw people haven’t forgotten Mel Gibson, he’s just burned so many bridges no one cares anymore. People haven’t forgotten BP, their stocks are still going down because so many people have stopped buying their gasoline. Stop it just stop it. Everyone has a bad reaction to bad press, but the difference is that instead of reacting to the situation like everyone listed above because it was thrown into the press, Lebron brought this upon himself just like BP and just like Mel Gibson. Hell, he’s not even as bad as those two, but since you want to mention them there you go.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 13, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree

Because he joined Wade in Miami and eliminated himself from GOAT discussions is the main reason why people’s hatred are growing for LeBron? The way he joined Miami (and not because he joined Miami) and broke Cleveland’s hearts on national television is the main reason why LeBron is being viewed as a huge a-hole right now.

by allen aoki on Jul 11, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

You are correct.

Except that I did not say that him joining wade in Miami was the main reason for the hatred.

You’re still missing a key part of fans’ hatred for LBJ

I said it was a key part. =)

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan.." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha

Still disagree, though. :)

You’d think LBJ haters would actually be happy that, in their eyes, he’ll never be considered a GOAT because he’s on Wade’s team.

The key component is the way he handled the LeBacle. It garnered him new haters. His old haters prior to all this hate him even more, but that’s to be expected.

by allen aoki on Jul 11, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

In addition to the "LeBacle"

It was the way he carried himself as the next great player of our generation, just to leave his team, that upset many people. If Wade did the same thing, it wouldn’t have gathered half the hatred, simply because Wade doesn’t conduct himself in an all-important manner, like he’s owns the NBA. Most people don’t expect Wade to crack the top 10 all-time, is basically what I’m saying.

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan.." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It’s not that he left, it’s how he left IMO

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 11, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen, expecially this:
Kobe would never have pulled the stunt James just did. He’s handled his business like a businessman, not some punk rock star who needs an entourage of fellow punk "yes" men.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 11, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that Kobe is like that now, but he wasn’t always like that. Or he would have done whatever it took to keep Shaq. The Kobe-Shaq partnership had the potential for a lot more rings than “just” 3. And they both did a good job of ruining that. What age was Kobe when that unravelled? About the same age Lebron is now. People always like to point to Kobe to illustrate what Lebron is doing wrong. But Kobe is an experienced veteran in his 30s, he is the complete player in every way now. But he had to make his share of mistakes to get to where he is now. Lebron is just 25, he can’t get to that place without making mistakes either.

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by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq

Lazy, out of shape, shit talking, superstar SG coat-rider.

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, as much as I dislike shaq now

He wasn’t a coat-rider during the 3-peat.
Shaq in his prime was a beast. 3 times Dwight Howard.

Kobe and Shaq though was like superstar 1b and superstar 1a. I don’t think Shaq expected Kobe to become superstar 1b.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

I’m just hating on Shaq for no reason lol.

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's easy to hate on Shaq lol

I’m with you there. Just didn’t want anybody to crucify you for the coat-riding part. The rest, i completely agree with.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 12, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

And they both did a good job of ruining that.

I didn’t say it was a one way street, but to say Kobe was entirely blameless is unrealistic.

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by LBJ6Heat on Jul 12, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cause

HE’S FAT, OUT OF SHAPE, AND LAZY!

Jk.

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, hate on!

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by SoCalGal on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

can't really be hate......

if it’s true.

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by pslakerfan on Jul 12, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Either way, Shaq was leaving.

Buss said it himself, he was NOT going to pay Shaq another max deal after his attitude issues, lack of work ethic and conditioning, and his famous ‘get injured on company time, recover on company time’ line. Knowing he wasn’t going to keep Shaq, he decided to trade him away and try and get something for him instead of letting him walk in Free Agency.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 12, 2010 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq's injury history post Lakers

…kind of proved Buss right. He had two more great seasons, and several more good to okay ones, but he wasn’t the dominant force any more because he, like James now, wanted to be involved in other things other basketball and rarely had the focus or resolve to work at his game like the greatest did.

The problem the Lakers had was that they didn’t get enough in return (Riley admitted after the fact that he probably would have included Wade in the deal if the Lakers held out a bit longer), and didn’t admit to themselves that they had to rebuild, and wasted some of Kobe’s prime because they didn’t go into full rebuild mode, which led to the trade demands. They lucked out that the Bynum pick panned out, that Fisher’s daughter’s cancer meant Utah cut up his contract which allowed him to return, and that Heisley told Chris Wallace to move Gasol before most teams really knew he was truly on the trading block.

by Walter M on Jul 12, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shaq sealed it when he yelled at Buss in a preseason game.

Buss had no problem keeping Shaq…for what he wanted to pay him. When Shaq reportedly demanded, “Now pay me my money,” he was gone as quick as Kupchak could put some kind of deal together.

Shaq made the Lakers choose, Kobe made it easy to change focus.

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 12, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea he can't get to that place until he...

stops calling himself the king, stops calling himself the chosen one, and absolutely MUST stop talking in 3rd person. man that shit is annoying

by lakers are trouble on Jul 12, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

At the Miami celebration

… that looked like a post-championship victory rally even though they haven’t won anything, James talked about winning seven championships. That’s a mighty big number.

by Walter M on Jul 12, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Finally, the voice of reason.

If you get the chance, please read my post which seemed to spawn this one.

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 11, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read your post.

You lost me after the part where you claim that Olajuwon having a super young Horry, rookie Cassell and Kenny Smith was somehow in the category of the long list of all stars you named for everyone else. Seriously….those guys were never all stars, they were role players.

If you have no interest in giving credit where credit is due in your post, I see no reason why you should expect credit in return.

by svspider on Jul 12, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

way to go, lol

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by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

a bit surreal

agreeing with a Rockets fan against a lakerfan (really?)

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by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

he lost me when he has Fisher apart of a big 3, when Harper was the leader for two of those and Glen Rice was a part for one. Fish was on the bench, and didn’t come until later. Seems a lack of historical knowledge is to blame here.

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by Marty Mart on Jul 12, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you don't know your facts

Make them up, right?

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice piece.

Really liked the alternate reality. But I am a fantasy/sci fi reader.
I am really sad for DWade, wish this had stopped with adding Bosh.
Never liked LeBron, always liked DWade. Not sure what to think about this Heat team. Leaning to distaste in a big way with the LeBron factor.

It could hinge for me on whether or not Wade succeeds in getting Riles to bring Haslem back. That would show that Riles and Wade have not bought entirely into the LeBron sickness. Just because it would show the loyalty I have come to associate with Wade.

by svspider on Jul 11, 2010 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know...

They interviewed Haslem the day after and the way he talked it seemed he was heading elsewhere. And another team is going to pay him more.

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by Ray DLC on Jul 11, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has other offers true.

But I still think they should be offering Udonis that money they are waving at Fisher. And, I think the Lakers should quit messing with Fish and pay him at least as much as Blake as a sign of respect for his past service.

At some point, in order to condemn athletes for lack of loyalty, we must also hold teams accountable to be loyal on occasion as well. Haslem and Fish seem to good chances to me for different reasons. Fish helped win rings in a big way. Haslem stuck it out through really bad times and was a good warrior, he deserves to be there for the good times.

by svspider on Jul 11, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Deserving of something doesn't vibe with me. However, for Miami, if there is a player

you absolutely need and should pay, that player is Udonis Haslem. He is an excellent role player. Solid across the board and in the locker room. Haslem is a keeper.

by E-ROC on Jul 11, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Plus isn't he born and raised in Miami

And he is one of the longest players there other than Wade.

I look at the momentums of the game, and how you affect the game. Statistics can’t tell you that, can’t teach you how to feel a game. Statistics are just for fantasy buffs or something- Kobe Bryant

by Ray DLC on Jul 11, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yessir. I think Haslem came in a draft or two prior, but played overseas before

the HEAT decided to sign him. I think that’s what happened, but I’m not sure. Their actual playing careers are the same. Each started playing for the HEAT in 03-04 season.

by E-ROC on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope he leaves...

Asking a loyal worker to take less money for some undeserving douche can get a raise. Forget that nonsense. I would bounce.

I look at the momentums of the game, and how you affect the game. Statistics can’t tell you that, can’t teach you how to feel a game. Statistics are just for fantasy buffs or something- Kobe Bryant

by Ray DLC on Jul 11, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Difference is Haslem

still is useful throughout the year, and Fish has only come through in exasperating situations, meaning that Haslem can command what he wants and Fisher at this point shouldn’t need 5 million to feel respected. He needs to know his worth. It’d be like paying Kobe 30 million for his presence when he can’t even score 10 ppg. Sometimes you pay for these things, but sports are businesses where your highest salary comes when your in the prime of your years and not in the twilight riding on a horse past the sunset. I mean really, I don’t know why Miami is even trying to sign Fisher.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

to add, they’re even offering him less than what the Lakers put on the table

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by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe they think Fish will find their (Miami Heat) team will be more attractive to Fish since he’ll have a chance to be the PG of their Big 3. Just maybe.

by domz on Jul 12, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

possible

but will he be effective there? As other posters have stated, his defensive lapses are covered by our bigs. Will the trio do so as well?

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by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

anyone else think chris bosh is overrated like no other?

him and amar’e are at the same level for christ’s sake.
wade and lebron are in a level of their own in this free agency class.

bosh has been lauded and coveted like he was some true franchise player. now he’s gonna be an overpaid 3rd fiddle. i think if this new big three won’t work, it’ll be because of his shortcomings, not wade or bron.

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by eLrEiEc on Jul 11, 2010 6:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Absolutely overrated.

Not in a league with LeBron or DWade. I think Stoudamire is an apt comparison, except he is suspect with the injury history.

by svspider on Jul 11, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh is a much better player than Stoudemire

He’s definitely a better defender and has a much more diverse offensive game. He’s not in LeBron’s or Wade’s league, but he’s definitely had the head of the rest of the free agent heap.

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by Ben R on Jul 11, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is what I was going to say

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he's not the Superstar everyone is now claiming he is.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 11, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say he put up the numbers

to be an all-star. Is he a Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett? No, but he is a legitimate all-star and could still be a superstar if he wasn’t constantly playing a position he wasn’t fit to play. Heck, even playing out of position he’s averaged some great numbers for a PF.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well thats what happens

No one was calling Pau the best big man in the game 3 years ago when we got him, but for the past 3 years thats what he’s been. It just happens, even before the actual games are played. Its foolish and superficial but this is the american media we’re talking about.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

My point exactly.
It just happens, even before the actual games are played. Its foolish and superficial but this is the american media we’re talking about.

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by SoCalGal on Jul 11, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh > Amare

But LBJ and Wade >> Bosh

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 11, 2010 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMFAO!!! rec'd

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by LakerAce on Jul 11, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

a Lebron James moment...

if this phrase catches on…. it would be very bad for his kids…

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by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

So i was wondering if anyone thinks dwyane wade takes a hit from these recent events in some way

..be it legacy, image, etc.

i still think he’ll be remembered as a true champion and fantastic player. i just wish if he were to win another title again, it’d be him and just bosh. LBJ’s sickening presence on the heat just makes it all the worse as CA stated in his post. if he were to win more championships with this squad, he would stand out more between him and lebron (bosh doesn’t go into any discussion between these two)

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by eLrEiEc on Jul 11, 2010 7:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know.

I like the guy, don’t get me wrong. They joined Wade.

Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Jul 11, 2010 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

exactly,

the pressure’s all on Lebron and Bosh.

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by LakerAce on Jul 11, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wade was a free agent

They are all complicit

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by Gil Meriken on Jul 11, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by SoCalGal on Jul 11, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wade still was a part of the "Decision"

Apparently all three of them had been planning that moment for months:

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wade is already considered a champion.

In fact, I’d say he came out the best in this Free Agency. He got to stay in Miami, he convinced Bosh and Lebron to join him, which means he gets more shots at a title without any risk to his reputation if they lose.

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by LakerAce on Jul 11, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still kinda lost a bit of respect for Wade though

He came off as a tool trying to justify how Lebron was “brave” for joining Miami and that the fans shouldn’t be angry with his decision. What Wade seems to be missing is that, LBJ gave a big FU to Cleveland on National TV and didn’t say he’s “BRAVE” for that?! Really?! Wade?! Really?! You expect us to feel sorry for that tool? And he’s brave?!

And the fact that Wade looks like the “good guy” in all this is really sickening too. He was able to get LBJ and Bosh down there. And it looks like they had this whole thing planned for a while. They all knew the results to LBJ’s “decision” and they still let LBJ go through what he did to Cleveland. And he dares says ppl in Cleveland shouldn’t be angry and that LBJ is brave.

Ugh. Gag.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lmao, brave?

That’s the least brave thing he could do. Stay in Cleveland and build a legitimate contender, that would be brave. This was a cop out for, I’m not a natural leader. Please lead me to the promise land, Dwyane.

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, to be fair

it was pretty brave of him to fuck an entire city over on national TV. That, or he was just suffering from extreme naivete.

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by c.lobster on Jul 11, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I actually agree.

That is brave, now that I think about it. I’m sure he’s used to all the attention, though.

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he suffered from extreme naivete

I think once the cameras turned on and he was sitting in that chair did it him what he was about to do. That’s why he looked so uncomfortable.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

here here

I swear he had that look like “how did I get talked into this?”

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by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually you give all three of them too much credit

Apparently all three of them had been planning that moment for months:

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I don't think Wade has the option of saying anything truthful.

He has start player playing next. Wade said the right things, even if some of it is hyperbole. I’d give him a pass.

by E-ROC on Jul 11, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Wade’s job is to stand up for his teammate, and that’s what he’s doing.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 11, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's what I think the problem will be with Wade

If you defend a douche, you’ll start sounding like one. I hope he keeps LeBron under control. Wouldn’t want to start disliking him cuz of Lebron

Kobe, God and I don't tweet. Everyone else does.

by Madz on Jul 11, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't stop Wade from being a culprit in this though

Apparently all three of them had been planning that moment for months:

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

which is why I have a problem with all three of them.
None of them thought it was bad if LBJ announced his ‘decision’ on Natl TV. People of Cleveland beg to differ.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huge difference between being a part of deciding that they'd all play together

and being a part of deciding the announcement should come out the way it did.

I can’t think of a single decent reason why Wade would want James to do what he did the way that he did it.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 11, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but

defending James for what he did the way he did (even if he was standing up for James), I can’t help but lose respect for Wade. Because in the end, you just really can’t defend James for what he did the way he did it. Even if you are going to be teammates (or are teammates).

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't give him a pass

because I don’t think he should have weighed in on how the people of Cleveland should feel. He’s got Lebron James. Great. Now stay out of the mess between LBJ and Cleveland. There’s just no way you can defend what LBJ did to Cleveland without sounding like a douche yourself.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Wade knew what LBJ was going to do on National TV:

Apparently all three of them had been planning that moment for months:

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/07/inside_the_decision_miamis_cou.html

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

that was so polite. I couldn’t help but laugh.

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by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

My bad, I was only trying to get my point across

Guess I did, just not in a good way. Let my emotions get the better of me. I just got angry reading how those three knew what they were doing all along. Probably should have posted the link on a fanshot instead of spamming it four times.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually only the last three were "spam"

The first one was FUCKING EPIC…..

What? Too much?

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
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by pslakerfan on Jul 11, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I went a little overboard there

lol but thanks __ Not too much at all.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

lebron is a fucking joke

it’s one thing to go to a different team, but to do in on national tv was pitiful. he’s no king. he’s no chosen one. he’s a LOSER!

by lakerlover2by4 on Jul 11, 2010 8:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Man

I tell you what to say these guys are getting paid and have gotten paid alot of money,LeBron and Bosh really don’t know how to dress.I seen their interview with Rachell Nichollis,and LeBron had on a blazer and black tie with black jeans with cuffs at the bottom.Bosh and on the same blazer as LeBron with some clown socks on,where I’m from these guys would get laughed out the building.Wade was the only one rocking his get up,although it looked like he had some slippers or something like that.His suit though by far looked better than LeBron and Bosh.LeBron really was dressed bad for this interview he had on dress shoes with black jeans.We don’t rock that where I’m from

by LakersMania on Jul 11, 2010 8:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Haha

Great analysis of their attire. =)

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

god how I despise Rachel Nichols' stories

I want to kick her every time I see her on the screen. Nothing she’s ever told me in her stories has been relevant or interesting. Last time she interviewed about Glen Davis after Game 5 (or was it 4?) and I wanted to barf. “We all know him as Big Baby Glen Davis. But that wasn’t he used to be known as. Back in high school, Davis was known as the Ticket Stub. Just recently, the Celtics started calling Davis after another lovable hero in green, Shrek. ahahaahha. But Davis wanted to be called Ticket Stub, not Big Baby. Now though, he’s perfectly content with Big Baby.”

End of her Story.

Ugh.

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Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO!!!

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

riveting!

"I wanted to do what was best for LeBron James, and what LeBron James is going to do to make him happy."- Lebron James

by c.lobster on Jul 11, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty sure

She’s a robot disguised as a somewhat attractive sports reporter. She’s better than that old lady who was covering the finals on ABC though. What’s her name? Shouldn’t she be part of a sewing group or something?

by LAKESHOW_SC on Jul 11, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I always thought Lebron was somewhat like Odom, in that he would submerge his identity within a larger group. A guy on another page made the point in his HS documentary LBJ just basically wanted to belong to a group. I wonder what his inner circle thinks of being persona non grata in Akron. I may be wrong but wasn’t this 1 hour fuck you to Cleveland Maverick Carter’s idea? That guy needs a demotion cuz he just tripled Lebron’s haters and shit on his ‘brand.’

by ECULaker on Jul 11, 2010 8:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Plus I don’t think there is anything wrong in wanting to get that money…it is a capitalist country after all and he should want to make sure his descendants are taken care of. Hell look a Coleman, Sprewell and Eddy Curry to know that the money goes quick. If Jordan didn’t have that nike paper flow his ass might be done for with the divorce and all.

by ECULaker on Jul 11, 2010 8:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Ehh

Jordan still makes just as muchas any athlete today from endorsements, except Tiger. In fact, he’s second to Tiger I believe and 1 above Kobe (god, that gets old. lmao.) But yeah without endorsements, the NBA retirement plan sucks monkey balls.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and for triumvirate references, Lebron as Mark Anthony and Wade as Octavian seemed to be more appopriate as Anthony assumed that he was Caesar’s direct heir and was more highly feted and regarded by the Senate and Roman society in general.

by ECULaker on Jul 11, 2010 8:41 PM PDT reply actions  

and Bosh is Pompey, the irrelevant third? lol

Today's sports media excels at over-reaction to a single event and specializes in hyperboles. But hey, it's that or my biochem textbook...

by Mike1204 on Jul 11, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

what's interesting was that bosh wanted to be the "go to guy"

now, he’s the third option. i don’t think this is going to work out.

by lakerlover2by4 on Jul 11, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd give the Heat 6 months...

… before serious conflict starts and the team falls apart.

Don't be afraid to fight for your rights!

by IBHMC on Jul 11, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

nah i give them till first home loss in playoffs

Kobe, God and I don't tweet. Everyone else does.

by Madz on Jul 11, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The first

missed alley-oop on a fast break. “Lebron to Wa-oohhhhhh. That could’ve been a good one folks.” lol

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

pompey irrelevant?

i think you must mean Lepidas.

by Bhukka on Jul 11, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

CLE Agrees

Diehard CLE fan here. CLE and LA tend to be polar opposites in size, popularity, weather, glamor, everything. Still, I must completely agree with this article. If LeBron didn’t give up in the playoffs and spit in our faces when he had the chance to become something truly special, we would think a lot better of him than we do now. I’m trying to encourage the troops over at Fear the Sword right now. Hard to get everyone going again, but someone needs to do it…

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by IBHMC on Jul 11, 2010 8:42 PM PDT reply actions  

as spike lee said so, when the heat come back to play at the Q for the first time in the upcoming season, the nat'l guard will be needed.

also, there have been a few rumors of ilgauskas(!) possibly joining the heat.
this is my take on what to do if that happens.

you guys at the Q cheer Big Z with thunderous applause and what not while obv. giving lebron enough boos and sense of hostility that he would wish he’d never been born in akron.

i will be rooting for the cavs to be successful and recover from this atrocity.

"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.

by eLrEiEc on Jul 11, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

a combination of Pompey and Lepidus. the second triumvirate divided the roman world with Octavian taking italy and Gaul, Anthony the more prosperous east and Lepidus got Sicily and Africa, two somewhat minor provinces, def not with the resources in manpower and wealth that italy or egypt possessed.

by ECULaker on Jul 11, 2010 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

ummm

did you just say Africa and then say it didn’t have the wealth of Egypt?

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

but pick and roll between any of the nazgul will be extremely hard to stop. The sheer amount of fouls those guys will draw will be ridiculous. The Lakers -20 ft disparity in the playoffs will seem minor if we see those guys.

by ECULaker on Jul 11, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

that is my concerns too. those guys can draw fouls

i hope defense remember to hedge against them and not give driving space into the lane

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by Madz on Jul 11, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

....oh and I hate lebron but....

Cleveland fans and their high-school-girlfriend owner are so self-serving!! Im definitely a Kobe Bryant fan, but will give Mr. James his due – “Born here, plays here, stays here- BUT DOES NOT OWE YOU HIS ENTIRE CAREER”!!! OMG!! Yahoo’s Adrian summed this up nice than I would’ve thought: Gilbert’s trying to play victim and only lunatics will buy it! Yes, Cleveland will lose money, but not anywhere compared to what he made for that city in his 7yrs…and its not close!

Cleveland fans stop whining and cursing at the young fella cos if he re-signed with your team, you’d still have his “we are all witnesses” mural hanging up there! Yall quit being self-serving please!!

by mambapridePHD on Jul 11, 2010 9:05 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

It’s not always about what you do, it’s how you do it. I don’t think a lot of people have a problem with him choosing a different team (although some do). I think people were offended by his 1 hour lebron-a-thon special. That was over the top.

by khmun on Jul 11, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen.

To a large extent, the fans and the organization brought this on themselves. You can’t really feel sorry for that. See, kids: This is what happens when you put your faith in false kings. Take it as a lesson, learn from it and move on.

"I came back with an I-Don't-Care attitude. If I had an open shot, I was taking it."
--The Robert Horry

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by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jul 11, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 11, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

...what could become a sad story is...

if LeBron becomes even more consumed with this brand/hype/business thing and doesn’t push his natural abilities to the level of an “artist” which is what Kobe has done. I watch the NBA to see the best basketball on the planet and with LeBrons abilities if he really concentrates on expanding his mid-range and post game, he could take it to the realm of the basketball artist. I would love to see him do it. We should all be thankful that we have such an artist on our team that we get to watch over 100 games a year of. I’m truly thankful.

by The Phil Jackson 5 on Jul 11, 2010 9:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Lose-lose situation

There was no easy way to leave cleveland!

And i can understand the fans’ emotional investment in Mr. James (and rightfully so!), but the rationale i often get from them for being “disgusted” is – " oh how could he leave a town that gave him so much", “oh, he should’ve waited till aged like KG did with Tpups (really??) before leaving”, “oh, how could he let his hometown down”, “oh, how could he leave us for the sun-tanned chicks in Miami and the bright lights of south beach”!!! From what i can tell, there was no easy way to leave cleveland! and yes dan gilbert is a selfish individual (and im trying to be nice!) lol

by mambapridePHD on Jul 11, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

hmmm not entirely lose-lose

There was no easy way to leave Cleveland, but there was the right way.

He could have released a press release. Talked to the organization in private about his decision. Thanked the city, the fans, etc. He didn’t need that ridiculous one-hour special, the two years of teasing wearing NY hats, etc.

But I agree, Dan Gilbert enabled LBJ.

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Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 11, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the KG comparison, he could have waited until his 30s and when he started declining but he didn’t. He saw the ugly long term contracts around him and that there was no realistic prospect for continued long term success.

And let’s not forget what KG said to Lebron after their series:

“Loyalty is something that hurts you at times because you can’t get youth back. I can honestly say that if I can go back and do my situation over, knowing what I know now with this organization, I’d of done it a little sooner.”

Well Lebron learned from the mistakes of someone who came before him. Execution aside, he did the right thing. And I’m sure the same people in the media who hated on him for this decision had completed articles ready to criticize him about staying.

#1 LBJ and A-Rod fan
Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude.....

If you want to make a point here at SSR, never, never, do it with a quote from KG……….

He ain’t got no cred here.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 11, 2010 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lmao...

Definitely atop the list of hated enemies.

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

actually I take that back....

If the topic is getting on all fours and barking like a bitch in heat…………feel free to quote KG.

Otherwise………..no.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 11, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

you’re rolling here..;-D

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by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol so true

not to mention, LBJ claims he’s a loyal guy in that one hour special.

Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 12, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL....

I always love when people say “I am really smart”, or “I am really loyal”, etc.

If you really were, you wouldn’t have to say it.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 12, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

when he said..

i know how loyal i am then i’m going to miami part was really confusing

by lakers are trouble on Jul 12, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seems he's the only one who knows how loyal he is.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 13, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, just use the "jersey" excuse

No, not those guys from the shores. Face it, Lebron couldn’t win a championship like Kobe, so he had to switch something up so all the insta-fans, bandwagoners, and Heat fans would buy his jersey.

He’s gonna sell a lot of those now! Finally Kobe, maybe Lebron will surpass your jersey sales!

After that, it’s on to billionaire-hood!

Not…

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on Jul 11, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

no questioning

I think there’s a general consensus on how lebron could’ve gone about this “decision”, differently. However, I contend that the fans would’ve been less crazy than they are right now; burning jerseys and all! Ive never seen a young man being so villified! He’s 7yrs with them should’ve counted for somthing, definitely should have! He brought life to that city and honestly, I contend that Dan Gilbert’s letter wont have been any less ex-girlfriendesque if he had gotten a prior hint from lebron!

My point like most people who have no business with the case (cos its not my team), is that the outcome would’ve been markedly similar, if not even worse! maybe they would’ve started burning jerseys ahead of time! lol

by mambapridePHD on Jul 11, 2010 10:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it would've changed things.

A little tact can go a long way in the way people respond and treat you. Its not about the decision. It was the Free Agency Tour. The meetings with other teams in Cleveland. The constant buildup to this day in anticipation, as he announced it’ll the greatest day in NBA history a little over a year ago. The moves made with his blessing and with his push that ultimately weren’t enough. Yes, he made them a lot of money and put alot of people, many his own, into work, even that is often too overstated. It still would leave an extremely bad taste in the mouth, but by not doing any of these things, he could’ve showed a little tact and not done any of it, the city could’ve embraced him differently. By announcing it with the others, it would’ve been looked at differently. Presentation, takes you a long way, and everything about the way this package was presented was just wrong.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 11, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that he should have used more tact, but it wouldn’t have changed the reactions of some people. The types who compare this to 9/11 and burn things in the street aren’t the types of people who respond to tact.

#1 LBJ and A-Rod fan
Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are always exceptions, but Marty Mart is right. The outcome would have been vastly different had LeBron carried it out professionally.

by shoang1993 on Jul 11, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well that one guy

was making a stupid joke because of the way they were reacting. I agree those who burned his jersey and defaced the poster would’ve done it anyway, but I don’t think nearly as many would’ve been a part of it. At least some of them would’ve been on his side.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 12, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you sound like your terrified of this big 3 C.A? I mean can we wait till they fill out their roster before we hand them the trophy, i have the utmost confidence that if we meet them in The Finals wed come out on top.

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess."
-Kobe Bryant

by Moradi-7 on Jul 11, 2010 10:53 PM PDT reply actions  

So

Don’t talk about the Heat until they finish filling out their rosters?

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan.." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess we can't talk about the Lakers either...........

you know since we don’t have a complete roster yet………..LOL

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jul 11, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think the Lakers are the favorites next year

After that, it all depends on how things play out with the CBA.

But yeah, I’m definitely afraid of the Heat. Too much talent at the top in what is a top heavy game. The Lakers would need every bit of Andrew Bynum’s hopeful development to keep up with the Heat once the rest of the roster isn’t made of complete scrubs.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

you think they can play D like our team does?

hell, can they get past the Celtic’s D?
My point is, at this point, they’re a group of individuals who just signed on a team. Until I see them play, I’ll reserve how good they are as a team. To paraphrase Nash, yes they are talented, but can they play intelligently together? But even then, our chances are good against them.
BTW, you’re growing into your role as the SSR editor. Your posts are becoming Tucker-esque. ;-)
While Josh’s is getting a bit short. A bit surreal.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

yeah it is surreal
To the point of their defense, I think they’ll be a very good defensive team that wreaks havoc for other defenses. I mean two very good helpside defenders in Wade and Lebron means they’ll probably trap and pressure a lot, which is good defense against the majority of the league. I see them modeling Jordan and Pippen’s defensive pressure on the wings to alleviate the pressure the middle faced. It won’t always work because of teams with great players in the post of course, but I can see them having an explosive trap defense a la the Bulls in the 90s. Also, its not a matter of whether they can play together, but how well they’ll play when things aren’t going their way. I mean we all know Lebron likes to chuck threes, what happens when he’s chucking and missing and Wade/Bosh get annoyed at him wasting possessions. What happens when Bosh wants the ball and Lebron waves him off one too many times. I think these are the more relevant questions. There’s no doubt in my mind that they’ll be able to run together, but what happens when the well starts running dry on their attitudes and their energy is when we’ll see how good they really are.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 12, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

like I said

play together intelligently

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh, my post length has always been dictated by the subject matter

After all, Josh never wrote anything that had to be broken into two parts like my PER vs. Kobe piece.

It’s never an indication either for or against the quality, in my opinion. If I need more words to talk about something, I use them, simple as that.

In answer to your question, not at this moment they can’t. I think the Heat are one piece away from having a very formidable team, and that piece is a good defensive center. With a good defensive center (even somebody along the lines of Dampier in quality), Bosh gets to play his more comfortable role of PF, and not get beat up inside, they have someone to protect the rim, and it won’t matter if the guy can’t play a lick of offense because they’ll get plenty of scoring from the stars.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 12, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

just ribbing you on the post length C.A.

just like I do Josh. I dig it, if it brings explanations/provides answers.
to get the scope wider, do you think the Celtics and to an extent, the Magic, have the means to defend them? IMO, with Doc Rivers around and their players all healthy, they can. That’s precluding one or two of the heat stars breaking out like a RAy Allen in Game 2 though. With the Magic, I got my doubts.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Different question, same answer

Until the Heat improve their defensive middle (and Haslem helps quite a bit, but not where they need it the most), they can be beaten by any of the contenders, because it’s something that all of the contenders have and the Heat don’t.

Can Miami compensate for the lack of a defensive big? Sure. But it’s no certainty. That is their biggest question, and once it’s answered, the sky is the limit for them.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 12, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I started out as a blogger

with a 3-part series. We’re talking RK days, here. Have I never done a two-parter, here?

They say if you can't beat them, join them. By joining them, LeBron just admitted he can't beat them.

by Josh Tucker on Jul 12, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh believe me

I have no wish to challenge your authority on lengthy posting.

Just pointing out that I can bust out the length when I need to

/innuendo

by C.A. Clark on Jul 12, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hello there!

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken

by SoCalGal on Jul 12, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

what's this, a contest? lol

hey guyyzzz. We’re all good…
Kidding aside, with what they have remaining, who could they get at the 5 that can really make them a contender this year? Or is that asking too much? I mean, next season after this is actually their realistic chance of contending?

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 13, 2010 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Until we see their final roster, there's no way to know

But my guess is they’ll be a contender next year, but not THE contender. After next year, I’m guessing they’ll have what they need and be considered the favorites for eternity

by C.A. Clark on Jul 13, 2010 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

a little bit of defense and post presence in the middle would go a long way

Shaq foremost, even though he’s burned that bridge, I could see them taking him back if it means the they can contend right away and Shaq signs for the minimum.

Theo Ratliff or Big Z might grab a few rebounds too.

Brad Miller isn’t much for defense, but another shooter at center might make them dangerous.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they put Kwame Brown in there and told him to clog the lane and banned him from ever touching the ball. Sadly even that might be better than Joel Anthony.

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by deadmuse on Jul 13, 2010 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pretty much disagree with the premise of this article

I don’t think fans want to see the best players take less money (even though these guys aren’t really) to team up to form a dream team and weaken the competition in doing so. I think what we’ve wanted to see is more the lines of what TD has been doing with the Spurs for years, in taking less salary so his team can surround him with complementary talent. What these guys seem to have done is a cop out and I believe this blogger put it best:

’’When you win just for the sake of winning, that’s when it loses its moral value. That’s when James forgets why he wanted to win in the first place. It should have been about the accomplishment of the goal, not the goal itself that was most important. If not, why not just use steroids or get robotic implants or just break all your competitors kneecaps before they start to play.

Let this be a reminder to all of us; without competition, without that possibility (and realization) of failure, success would be meaningless. Lebron has simply chosen the path of least resistance, and perhaps he is a "smarter" man for that. But all of us, in our humanity, can see through his facade and into the weakness of the lesser man he has seemed to become.’’

by novoskos on Jul 11, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Great point

One that I’m certainly willing to cede. You are right that the TD model is definitely more along the lines of how we’d want it to play out as fans. I don’t think it completely negates what I was trying to say, as there is a certain selflessness these guys displayed by doing what they were doing, and that by itself is abnormal amongst athletes, but I certainly can’t say you’re wrong.

by C.A. Clark on Jul 12, 2010 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I really like this statement.
It should have been about the accomplishment of the goal, not the goal itself that was most important.

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 12, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

1. By some reports Team Lebron raised 6 mill for “The Decision” and gave only 2.5 mill to the Boys and Girls Club of A.
2. By some reports Team Lebron actually paid Jim Gray for his interview on “The Decision”.
3. Chris Bosh made a slip and admitted that the three of them had been talking about this move to Miami “for months” (later appended to “days”).
4. Riley began his play for Lebron when in November 09 he met with Lebron and tried to convince him that modern players need to give up the number 23.

The entire visits to city (sans shoes which was going to be the case) by all the members was meant only as a way to drive up hype for the show “The Decision” (an idea come up by Jim Gray). The decision was likely in place a long long time before free agency. Really among the worst and most jaded performances of a professional athlete in the history of sports.

It would be perfect if the Heat meet the Cavs in the first round, and Byron has his guys fired up beyond belief, and the Heat make an exit.

"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager

by kv on Jul 11, 2010 11:17 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Handshake or no handshake?

by shoang1993 on Jul 11, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting, a conspiracy, perhaps?

"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan.." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are there links supporting it?

by shoang1993 on Jul 11, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I spammed the link to #3 above four times xD

don’t know about the others though.

Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 12, 2010 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

3 and 4 are right. As much as I love him, Bosh screwed up and admitted it. Plus the twitter photo of him and Wade, with an empty chair in between saying “someone is missing”. They didn’t do a great job of hiding it. If Stephen A Smith of all people figured it out 2 weeks before it was announced, then you did a terrible job of keeping your mouth shut. And Riley even brought in Michael Jordan for a 3 way meeting with Lebron (before Jordan got with the Bobcats), right after then is when Lebron decided to drop his #23 and suggest that it should be retired league wide, just like the Heat had done.

As for 1 and 2, I don’t know the exact numbers, but no charity gives absolutely 100% of it’s income to good causes. It was said all along that all the profits would go to charity, profits is the money you have after expenses, not the total amount you bring in. And Gray said Lebron didn’t pay him.

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Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 11, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL
And Gray said Lebron didn’t pay him.

You expect Gray to… admit that LBJ paid him? That would be a total back stab.

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by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

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"You know how a guy can make his team so much better? That’s one thing I learned from watching Jordan.." - LBJ

by LakerUNLTD on Jul 11, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Most charities give close to 75% if not more

depending on the amount and the costs bore by the charity. If in this case, there were no costs because Lebron signed up for this and just said he would donate it there, at least 90-95% usually goes to the fund in question. At least, thats what I remember it could’ve changed now.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 12, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

As a Laker fan who heard Kobe quit on his team in Game 7 against Phoenix...

I have a hard time accusing another player of quitting on his team in the playoffs. It’s a subjective argument and not one you can really prove or disprove. You can prove someone didn’t take a lot of shots or play well. But you can’t “prove” a player quit and gave up on his team … particularly for when he’s leading his team in most of the statistics categories for that series and that game.

I’ve heard this accusation about Kobe and I defended him. Didn’t like it then and I don’t like it now.

I realize I’m in the minority on this.

I agree with pretty much the rest of the post tho. Good thought experiment.

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by Tuna Helper on Jul 11, 2010 11:51 PM PDT reply actions  

agree to an extent

we don’t really know what’s inside his heat during game 6. Is due to the greenshirt’s defense? His elbow? His teammates’ play? All these are moot. The thing is, as an avid fan of the game, when you watch that particular game, a tug in the gut says he’s not playing as hard as he could. It’s like his mind is somewhere else.

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by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

during the game, I can't help but think to myself

what the hell is the matter with him? It’s like he’s only playing at fourth gear, when you know he’s got a fifth.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

fuck

just read Windhorst’s piece. Very plausible. If true, it explains Game 6, and Bosh’s attitude towards Toronto. The Cav’s fans and to an extent, the Raptors’s as well, got played for suckers.
Got to admit it was a great plan. Sleazy, but a great show nonetheless.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

bravo, Pat Riley

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

why is everyone doing this lately? everyone has been talking to themselves alot. MARQUEZ has rubbed off lol

by lakers are trouble on Jul 12, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

the guys a virus carrier ;-)

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You mean:

PAT RAILLY

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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jul 12, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

amen

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

but the same people say Kobe quit in game 2 of the Thunder series because he took 11 shots and then cheered when he only took 9 the next game. When you watch game 5, that offense is not being run how it usually is. Lebron is never just standing in a corner watching people move. He’s juxtaposing for position on the wing or he’s getting a back screen to cut across. He was literally standing and lazily putting up shots. Not attacking the basket, not even dribbling to free himself up. Just two dribbles, pop and fadeaway. If it was just a bad game, it was an incredibly bad game that is just a blight on an otherwise good resume. I mean, he’s not playing defense, he’s not yelling or shouting, he’s not celebrating the made shots, he’s not showing any kind of emotion. And he’s allowed to have an off day, but if its time to break a tie you would just expect to see some fire, some emotion, some great basketball, and that was exactly the opposite of what we saw that game. Thats why I think he quit. Even when you watch game 7 in Phx, he still has some emotion and is moving within the offense without forcing the matter, this is just one of those times where you’re just like what the hell. Why are you playing like this. And then game 6 when they’re down by like 6 with over two minutes to go and they just keep giving them long rebs and not even trying to foul, it just looked like the whole team gave up on trying to win. I don’t know there’s just something weird about that series that screams, you could’ve won this but you gave up trying to beat the odds.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 12, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

right on point C.A.

All I can say is that I feel sorry for Cavs fans and I’m glad I never get to feel their pain. Lebron? Really what can you say to this dude and his ongoing antics, I would be done with him if I were a cav fan but from another angle atleast he didn’t want to go down in history as the guy with soo much hype and no rings

by BrittneyM-mobile on Jul 11, 2010 11:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

you know how most analysts used the analogy

if you put LBJ in Lakers team he will win many rings… so if Kobe beats this “super team” is it safe to say that those analysts were mentally challenged and well kobe is/was always better then LBJ?

by rballer on Jul 12, 2010 12:38 AM PDT reply actions  

It’s always been safe to say that.

by shoang1993 on Jul 12, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love being on the same page with rivals.

Whatever happens, if it’s not Boston – Lakers in the finals, PLEASE, lets make the pact that WHOEVER GETS THE CHANCE, slaps the heat SILLY, alright?

So, in other words, if we don’t do it, PLEASE do it for us!

PLEASE!

- a Celtic fan.

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by Kiorrik on Jul 12, 2010 5:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I think the entire league has already made that (unspoken) pact against Miami

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by deadmuse on Jul 12, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

you bet your ass

they’ve got a target on their backs now. If they can get past your vaunted D (though I hope they don’t), they’ll have to get past ours.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damnit, I'm agreeing with a Celtic fan. I blame you for this Lebron.

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 12, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know! It's downright awkward!

- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz

by Kiorrik on Jul 12, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, now who's in the bizarro world?

Celtics and Lakers fans making pacts with each others teams to beat the Heat?

This just proves how really worried y’all are about the Heat.

No way, no how can I agree about anything with a Celtics fan…at least not in the heat of a rivalry :-).

Who’s won so far: Lakers w/ Steve Blake or Celtics w/ Jermaine O’Neal?

by 32Laker24-8 on Jul 12, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

The lame answer, but; next season will tell.

No idea tbh. Have to see how JO fits in… I don’t really like him.

- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz

by Kiorrik on Jul 13, 2010 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

as I see it

that’s the best that you could get given the circumstances. Especially with Perk’s injury….

"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O

by altree on Jul 13, 2010 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

That much is true.

And I’m hoping for the best, but hey, just not a fan of the fella. Hope he changes that.

Your thoughts on Steve Blake?

- Dirk van Boxtel, the wandering Celtic fan.
Twitter: @4Hoopz

by Kiorrik on Jul 13, 2010 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

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