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Brian Shaw backs out of Cleveland negotiations, other offseason news

Laker Assistant Coach Brian Shaw has backed out of negotiations for the Cleveland Cavaliers head coaching gig, leaving Byron Scott as extremely likely to get the job. Judging by discussion in the comments of SSR, it seems that this will come as welcome news to many of you. Shaw was reported as saying that he didn't feel comfortable with the Cavs' Thursday deadline to hire a coach, presumably as by then it would be unlikely much (if any) light would be shed on the Free Agent situation and, more importantly, Phil Jackson's decision as to whether or not he will return to the Lakers next season will not be made until Friday.

This insurgence of support for Brian Shaw raises an interesting question: Is the support for Brian Shaw based more on the notion of Brian Shaw's own skills as a coach, or simply on the thought of continuity in the system, a desire to keep the Triangle and Strong-Side Zone, the system the Lakers have been built to run? If Phil Jackson retires and Shaw takes over, continuing to run the Triangle, do you expect to see any major difference in team success or identity? Or will it be the same? Essentially, if Phil retired and Shaw took the reigns, would you be worried? This is especially relevant when one notes many of the arguments, both those for Shaw and those against Scott, center on the concept of continuity.

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Shaw has previously been quoted as saying that he is comfortable with his job as Laker assistant coach, commenting that it is 'a better position than many head coaching gigs out there', and it's unlikely he would leave such a position for a job with a team with an extremely uncertain future, one that could end with the team being lottery-bound for several seasons to come. This is especially relevant considering that if Shaw were to take the Cleveland job, he would do so before knowing whether or not the Lakers' head coaching position, arguably the most sought-after in the NBA, was available.

This decision by Shaw to back away from Cleveland comes after a negotiation session where Shaw was said to be very close to accepting the offer (according to his agent), and starting to think about who to hire for his staff, but ended up leaving without a deal in place, potentially due to wanting to delay and wait for Phil Jackson's pending decision on whether or not to retire.

While Shaw pulling out of negotiations with the Cavaliers in itself does not directly imply anything, his comments of being 'uncomfortable' with the Cavs' Thursday Deadline further reinforces the notion that it is unknown whether LeBron will sign with Cleveland, and likely unlikely. While that may be old news, it does also hint to even Shaw being unsure of what Phil's final decision will be regarding retirement.

 

Around the League: NBA-Wide Offseason News

 

  • Doc Rivers is returning to the Boston Celtics as Head Coach, with a raise from the 5.5 million he was owed for next season. If Phil decides to return to LA, a suggested negotiation ploy would be 'I'm twice the coach Doc is, so I should get twice the money'.
  • Richard Jefferson had extraordinarily decided to opt out of the $15.5 million owed to him for next year. There's no way he's going to get that level of money on a per-year basis in a new deal, but opting out may still be a smart move in that he can get more years and more total money through a new deal, particularly considering that if he signs a multi-year deal this offseason, it will likely not be influenced by the new CBA. There's also the fact that the Spurs were a downright bad fit for him, and likely not to be in serious title contention next year. Jefferson may wish to go to a contributor, and the best case for him may be a 5-year MLE deal with the Suns. The style suits him, and provided the Suns keep their core they'll have a good shot to return to the Western Conference Finals with Jefferson.
  • Boston may be trying to trade Rasheed's contract away, allowing them to bring in a decent talent whilst keeping their Mid-Level Exception for another player (or players). Rasheed has already stated that he will retire directly after the trade, so Boston is essentially offering free Cap relief to teams. There are several major free-agent players who may be able to use this to their advantage, and simultaneously adding two good players to the Celtics may allow them to contend again next year - another Finals appearance next year is unlikely, but then again the same was being said of this year.
  • Amar'e Stoudemire has opted out of his contract with the Suns. No surprises here. The Suns were talking with Stoudemire about the possibility of a contract extension, but that was really just a formality. There is still a chance Amar'e resigns with Phoenix, but simultaneously this decision allows him to assess all his options.
  • Dirk Nowitzki has done the same, however it seems extremely likely that he will resign with the Mavericks, possibly without even talking to other teams first. This may be a trend emerging, players giving up guaranteed money in favour of longer deals, as unless the NBA Owners manage to push through a clause in the new CBA rolling back existing contracts (we're more likely to see a full season of lockout), any new contracts signed will not be affected by reductions made by the next CBA, whilst extensions kicking in next season would be.
  • The Boston Celtics are after Brad Miller to take Rasheed Wallace's place and strengthen their big man rotation. Miller can shoot and doesn't come with the baggage that 'Sheed did, but he's not as good of a defender, nor is he as dangerous in the post. And he's not really a big mobility or youth upgrade. Boston's targeting of players like him indicate that they're leaning more towards trying to make another run with their current core as opposed to blowing everything up and starting a youth movement centered around Rajon Rondo.
  • But there may be problems, now that Paul Pierce has opted out of the 1 year and $17 million left on his contract. Pierce now joins Ray Allen as two of Boston's core players testing free agency. That, coupled with Rasheed Wallace's impending retirement, Kendrick Perkins' injury, and Kevin Garnett's durability issues, will doubtless cause a lot of uncertainty in Beantown.
  • The New Jersey Nets have traded Yi Jianlin to the Washington Wizards. They even sent cash along in the deal, meaning the Wizards get Jianlin essentially for free. This deal is beneficial for both sides, the Nets have some more cap space to build a functioning roster around a core free agent, or even to sign two major free agents at slightly under the maximum. The Wizards, meanwhile, get another player capable of contributing, a big man who can shoot, spacing the floor for the likes of John Wall and Gilbert Arenas. The Wizards are shaping into a nice team, with a core of Wall, Arenas, Blatche, Hinrich and Jianlin, but there's no way they make it past the first round without at least retaining Brendan Haywood. Trading away arguably their two best players in recent times to reduce financial burden was for from a good move in terms of contending, even in the long term.
  • The Dallas Mavericks are after even more firepower, looking to sign-and-trade for Joe Johnson. It could happen, but when will Cuban learn money can't buy Championships? None of his big moves so far have worked out to the extent he hoped for, from trading for Jason Kidd, to trading for Shawn Marion, to trading for Caron Butler and Brendan Haywood. They've also got an overload at the wing position, with Marion, Butler and Jason Terry already manning the wing spots, even before looking at executing a sign-and-trade for Johnson.
  • Danny Ferry is interviewing for the position of Blazers' General Manager. I'd like to see him employed again, as he did do a good job as a GM, gathering plenty of talent to surround LeBron with, and his decision to resign over trying to woo LeBron James was a classy one, and shows that there are at least a few people in this world who won't bow to the chaos. Still classless how the Blazers fired Pritchard right before the Draft, though. The nerve in asking him to stay and do the Draft for them. If I were him, I would have either picked schlubs, or refused to make the picks.
  • The Memphis Grizzlies have now extended Rudy Gay a qualifying offer, serving little purpose asides from making him a Restricted Free Agent and allowing the Grizzlies to match any deal offered to Gay. It seems likely that Gay will end up out of the Grizzlies' price range to retain, as so many teams have been building up cap space for the Free Agent 'Bonanza' that there will inevitably be teams that miss out on the marquee Free Agents, panic, and pick up a consolation prize such as Gay to keep their fans from inciting mob violence.
For up-to-date free agent news, follow reporters on Twitter:
Adrian Wojnarowski (Yahoo! Sports)
Marc Spears (Yahoo! Sports)
Marc Stein (ESPN National)
Chad Ford (ESPN Insider)
The Kamenetzky Brothers (ESPN Los Angeles)

Yahoo! Sports' Free Agent Buzz page also provides up-to-date reports. Probably a bit slower than Twitter, but far more in-depth.

And, just for the hell of it:
Dexter Fishmore(Silver Screen and Roll)
Rob Baptista/Wondahbap (Silver Screen and Roll)

In some Laker-related news, the Lakers are already on the phone to starting Point Guard and Free Agent Derek Fisher, negotiating the details of a new contract. It's unclear what Fisher wants (though it's been rumoured to be more than the minimum), nor is it clear how high management is willing to go before they decide enough is enough and give a 'take-it-or-leave-it' offer. Nonetheless, Fisher and the Lakers are made for each other. Fisher will not get as large of a role with any other team (provided we run the Triangle), and it is unlikely he'll get as much money, unless a free-agent amalgamation or young contending team decides he's worth overpaying solely for his veteran presence and clutch shots. The Lakers, meanwhile, are in desperate need of long-distance shooters, and Fisher and Sasha Vujacic are currently the only designated pure shooters on the Roster; not to mention no-one can run the Triangle as well as Fish.

Regardless, the Lakers calling Fisher the minute they were officially allowed to shows that they are very interested in bringing him back, and may speak well for the Lakers' coaching situation, possibly hinting at continuity in the system. Certainly, Fisher is far more valuable in the Triangle than anywhere else.

Simultaneously, the Lakers allowed Farmar to become an unrestricted Free Agent without as much as tendering a qualifying offer, showing that they genuinely have little interest in bringing him back and instead will be happy to allow him freedom of choice on the market. He certainly seems happy about the decision. Chances of Farmar coming back have gone from about 25% to about 10%, in my opinion. The Indiana Pacers are reportedly interested in Farmar already.

Shannon Brown decided to opt out of his contract, but the Lakers called him soon after, indicating an interest in bringing him back for next season. Not a decision I really agree with, but for the right price, he's probably worth it, as he displays more raw talent than most FA guards available, and if taught well could be a nice piece to support Bynum in the Lakers' future. However, there is still a decent chance a lottery team will take him out of our price range, offering a significant portion, if not all of the MLE, as well as a starting job. At his age and status, he has to follow the money and playing time.


IMPORTANT NOTE:
Remember, everyone, whilst Free Agent negotiations are now occurring public and open to be discussed by League and Team Officials, currently only verbal commitments may be made, no binding contracts may actually be signed until July 8. Therefore, be patient, it's highly unlikely anything major happens until that date, if not further on into the future.
Poll
What do you feel is more instrumental to the Lakers' success, Phil or the Triangle?
Phil Jackson specifically as a coach, because he can manage egos.
215 votes
Phil Jackson specifically as a coach, because he is a veteran champion.
53 votes
Phil Jackson specifically as a coach, for multiple reasons.
620 votes
The Triangle Offense / Strong Side Zone system, as the team is specifically built for it.
49 votes
The Triangle Offense specifically, due to the success it has had over the years.
12 votes
It depends on what the Lakers do in terms of Free Agency and Trades.
24 votes
I don't care, the Lakers are talented enough anyway to succeed with any good system/coach.
67 votes
Phil, because no-one else can make the Triangle work as effectively
119 votes

1159 votes | Poll has closed

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Excellent summarization of tonight's stuff.

But I couldn’t get a shout-out on the Twitter? :p

Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Jul 1, 2010 1:03 AM PDT reply actions  

This insurgence of support for Brian Shaw raises an interesting question: Is the support for Brian Shaw based more on the notion of Brian Shaw’s own skills as a coach, or simply on the thought of continuity in the system, a desire to keep the Triangle and Strong-Side Zone, the system the Lakers have been built to run?

Yeah Shaw continuing of the triangle is a big reason why alot of us want him to be the future coach of the team, well at least me, that and Scott’s poor methods of dealing with various players.

As for the free agent thread, I will probably have to make a new one soon considering this can go on into late July. Sucks we didnt hear about a few signings or anything, kinda a disappointment. As for Lebron, he might be a few weeks out before he decides to sign somewhere and after this is when we will see what happens with the other big agents like Wade, Bosh, etc.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jul 1, 2010 1:17 AM PDT reply actions  

Yea, Shaw's familiarity with the triangle was my main reason.

And I’m thinking you make another FAT when it gets close to 700-800 comments. That should be tomorrow afternoon-ish, depending on what happens of course.

Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Jul 1, 2010 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah I will

tonights FAT was a complete fail and premature anticipation. When players start signing one of these days, sooner or later, made I might make a new one.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jul 1, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nothing will happen until July 8, at least.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, sort of...

Almost all of the verbal commitments made and reported prior to July 8 will occur. One of the few in recent years that didn’t occur was Carlos Boozer naively letting himself get low-balled by the Cavs and then recanting and signing with Utah instead.

by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 1, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I doubt any verbal commitments even will be made.

The big-name FAs will want to wait as long as possible to see how rosters are shaping out, considering the big players on the market have all gutted themselves for cap space, and many role-players will also wait and see to try and join on a potential contending squad. What’ll probably kickstart the signings is a well-known role player getting a massive offer, having no choice but to take it, and then other FAs will start commiting.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I guess it could go that way

I’m not really convinced it will. I think there is a draw to the top FAs signing with a team that may bring in role players, particularly aging vets with no rings that want one (think Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett who had a say in where he went). The common statement is that the top free agents will determine what will happen. I’m not really convinced of that. But, it does make sense.

You can be mercenary and wait, but if you do, teams will get ancy and do plans without you.

I suspect the top 6 free agents (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Boozer, Am’are, Joe Johnson) will be locked up verbally prior to July 8.

Part of making a successful sale is creating urgency, limiting the window of opportunity. I think teams will employ this strategy, with success, in their signings.

Nobody wants to be left having Jordan Farmar being their top free agent signing because they waited and he’s the best one that’s left.

Many teams didn’t clear out a lot of cap space for that.

I’ve been thinking about this process while typing a response. I think free agency will go down differently than you say based on what I know which could certainly be less than what you know.

by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 1, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.... that would certainly be true, if the market were dictated by the teams.
Part of making a successful sale is creating urgency, limiting the window of opportunity. I think teams will employ this strategy, with success, in their signings.

But the issue is, the teams have absolutely no control over the Top-Tier Free Agents. They control the teams. They don’t want to create a sense of urgency, because they want to soak in the moment, and they’re likely gonna get the same max offers from everywhere (except probably JJ, and maybe Boozer and Amar’e) anyways, so not like drawing a sense of urgency will pull them a better offer.

Role players, meanwhile, are controlled by the teams. When a team makes a role player a good offer, and creates that sense of urgency, the role player will very likely take the offer.

I think with the stars, the main thing is their ego. They’ll want to soak up the moment as long as possible, and none of them except maybe LBJ will want to go first, for fear of being seen as ‘settling’ for an offer; and LBJ will draw it out as long as possible to keep media attention on him anyways.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with what you say

As being factors in decision-making, but not the entirety of the process. I feel that commercials and recent consumer culture has guided our society to being more multi-factorial in our decision-making. The NBA has its own culture, but it is still influenced by the broader culture (except for random oddballs like Latrell Spreewell).

Time will tell, huh?

I’m hoping that it’s wild and crazy.

by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 1, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like Phil

And I like Shaw because he’s learned from Phil. Triangle or not, I feel that Phil is the best coach in the league, or at least very close to as good as Greg Popovich. I like them running the same system, whether it was triangle or something else because the players are familiar with it, not because I see inherent superiority in the triangle.

I do like the triangle in that it’s a little less familiar than the system run by other coaches. I think when run well (which I don’t feel it was last year for the most part) it’s a very effective system. I like a team-based system in this league because most teams have learned how to very effectively limit one players game (even if he’s the penetrate and dish point guard or ball handler) and the triangle is such a system.

I feel that Brian Shaw has Kobe’s respect (which is very important to keep a leash on Kobe’s tendency to try to do too much) and that he probably has picked up some of Phil’s extraordinary player management skills.

The other issue I had in opting for Shaw over Scott (and getting caught up in that hype) is that there seem to be so many issues with Scott. I normally try not to get sucked into the hype. I want to think for myself. With Scott, there are so many documented issues that I too was convinced he’d be a problem as a coach, even though he is friends with Kobe and Kobe would probably still listen to him and even though Scott has had success in the postseason.

But, a guy that delays a team to play golf (and with only one other player on the team), that burns people out and that seems to have an ineffective, uncreative offense when seriously challenged cough, Mike Brown strikes me as a good way to get deep into the playoffs, but to lose in the Conference Finals or the Finals rather than winning it all.

It’s actually very surprising to me HOW much I care about it not being Scott running the Lakers. I was ready to get behind Michael Cooper, Larry Brown or Jeff Van Gundy, anyone that seemed decent, rather than Scott. And JVG/Larry Brown both seem to be defense-minded coacesh that may have similar uncreative offense issues that doesn’t even necessarily have Kobe’s respect. But NOT Byron Scott. Hell no!

So, it’s looking like Shaw or Jackson. Seems good to me. I’d love to see Fish join on as the assistant coach whenever he’s ready to be retired (as in we will retire him because he sure as hell isn’t going to retire himself and why should he?).

As long as we 5-peat, I’ll be happy.

by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 1, 2010 1:41 AM PDT reply actions  

As for Shannon and RJ

I’d like to see Shannon back because I do feel he’s highly teachable and his athleticism could be put to better use. I liked him better as a point guard in our offense in 08-09 than this year. I also liked his thumb not being injured better. And his defense seemed much better in 08-09, I’d like to get back to that or at least close to it. I’m cool with a chance if the Lakers are (which clearly they are since they called him right away). I think his personality is well-suited to our team or any team really. He seems genuinely grateful for the opportunity. How about 10M/5 years? or maybe 12.5M/5 years. I’d be quite comfortable with that.

As for RJ, it’s an interesting situation. He hasn’t looked so good recently (really not since 07-08 with the Nets), but he might still command okay money. I think part of it is he really didn’t fit at SA. I think it’s commendable on his part to opt out if that was a significant factor in his decision-making. He wants to win and be effective which is still an ego stroke, but it’s not purely financially motivated if that’s the case and it’s something very refreshing to see in the NBA.

Money dictates so much and I feel it hasn’t had a positive impact on the game.

by USA!USA!USA! on Jul 1, 2010 2:10 AM PDT reply actions  

10mill/5 years is less per year than the deal he just opted out of....

And I don’t think he’d sign such a large deal unless it would be at a relatively high value per year, say 5mill a year; because at his age he’s likely to improve and thus command a far better deal in one or two seasons’ time.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's altogether probable that someone will put Brown out of LA's price range.

I don’t think LA would pony up to $4mil per, and I can see someone offering him that in an effort to assuage an angry fanbase.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on Jul 1, 2010 3:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

*large deal in terms of years.

Remember what happened to Michael Jordan.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 5:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

See?

Told you Shaw’s not really a sure bet in Cleveland even then. This ought to make your day, doesn’t it? ;-)

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 3:44 AM PDT reply actions  

Rec, rec, rec.

Even though I have no idea who the footballer is.

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's Philip Rivers

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 4:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anything special about him?

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's probably one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 1, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

not in the playoffs though

hehe

Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall

by desecrator09 on Jul 1, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

cmon man!!!

Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall

by desecrator09 on Jul 1, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao on Pierce's feeler on Lebron's chest

My nihongo is a bit bad, but, how’s this -
“With Malice”-san, anato no “post” wa totemo nagai desu. Demo, totemo okashii deshita.

Did I do it right? Had lessons a few years ago, so I thought I could bring it up.

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 4:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not bad at all... a bit long, but "strange"?

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

doesn't okashii also mean funny?

I mean, that’s what the tutor used when I said laughable…

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

btw

you said a bit long, so how do you say properly?

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

A "bit long" would be something like "chotto nagai" or "sukoshi nagai"

So weird to write that in romanji.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jul 1, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

ROFL

nice work

Now you know -- Manny Pacquaio

by imposibol on Jul 1, 2010 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

musta pre

Not only can water float a boat, it can sink it also.

by Zanarkand on Jul 1, 2010 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

ayos brad

Now you know -- Manny Pacquaio

by imposibol on Jul 1, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

damn,

that was long. But, funny. I’m glad I read the whole thing.

I can honestly say that I dislike everyone in that little mock skit thing, that’s probably why I found it so darn funny; they are all a bunch of whiney babies in real life, IMO.

I really love the “I’m a man, I’m 40!!” speech reference, too. That was the Oklahoma State head football coach originally, I believe. Very lame.

by BigSkyCat on Jul 1, 2010 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh, shoot,

and, to keep it on the original topic and point of this thread…..

Thanks for all the updates from around the league on free agency and other stuff. It’s good to be informed. Cheers (although, at this point in the day I can only toast coffee, I’m not THAT hardcore : ))

And about the poll — I’m going with the rest of the voters at present, “Phil Jackson specifically as a coach, for multiple reasons”.

Is there a specific TIME on Friday that we will know for sure about Phil? Also, I find the timing pretty good, I mean, at least he’s not going to drag it out through the 4th holiday weekend. Patience is not one of my strongest areas. I have little to none of it, actually.

by BigSkyCat on Jul 1, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

good morning (in your end I suppose)

but “toast coffee”? How do you do that? lol

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

You never scraped that carmelized coffee out of the bottom of the pot?

by bigdeal1188 on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only thing you should

change is for the Pierce and KG pic you should add him talking to the fan telling her to sit her ass down. lol.

Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O

by Marty Mart on Jul 1, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

Phillip Rivers

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jul 1, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was pretty awesome

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Jul 1, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

BEST. EVER.

awesome dude. absolutely awesome.

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by tandur on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

UPDATE

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=Apt9oR7CJJUUFdhVC.pCae8vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz063010

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 5:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Joe Johnson has been offered a Max Deal by the Hawks.

Worth it? No. But Hawks’ ownership is likely going to sell soon, anyways. Heard on Twitter that that’s one of the primary reasons they’re willing to offer this contract, they won’t have to bankroll it for very long.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 5:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gee it'd hurt to see Farmar play for the Blazers...

Ok… just a teensy bit.

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by With Malice on Jul 1, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blazers? Haven't heard that rumour.

I’ve only heard about the Pacers. And don’t Portland already have three Point Guards in Andre Miller, Jerryd Bayless and Patty Mills, even after Blake leaves?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

From your link above...
Pacers show interest in Farmar
The Indiana Pacers are targeting former Lakers point guard Jordan Farmar for a one-year contract. The Portland Trail Blazers and Knicks have shown interest, too.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on Jul 1, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oohh, I didn't read through it properly lol.

And hehe, the Knicks. They really do need a Point Guard, but the thought of Farmar running the break with LeBron and Chris Bosh on the lanes is funny.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

UPDATE: Drew Gooden has agreed to sign with the Bucks.

Full details are here. Wow, I didn’t think he’d be worth that much, going by his career, but then I checked his stats with the Clippers last season and turns out he was pretty goddamn good, averaging 11/8 for the season, and 15/10 in the last half, with the Clippers.

Still, they’ll likely come to regret it when he’s 34 and earning around 8 million in 2015.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Shit, forgot the link.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-goodenbucks070110

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure that they needed to offer a contract of that length

He’s great insurance in the frontcourt, but he could have been bad for much less.

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by Ben R on Jul 1, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe not 'much' less per year...

but definitely in terms of total years, yeah.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

did you really mean “bad”, or “had”. But I’m okay with any of the two. ;-)

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

or is that a freudian slip?

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by altree on Jul 1, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha, no, that was intended to be "had"

Typing on the iPhone is a bitch.

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by Ben R on Jul 1, 2010 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is turrible

How does Gooden command that kind of money? The Bucks are dumb. There’s probably a good reason he’s played for 8 different teams over 8 years,

by 81 Witness on Jul 1, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's probably worth the money for the next two to three years

And he’s nice injury insurance. Skiles will probably work a bit of the inconsistency out of him. He’s an above average reserve and a serviceable starter. That’s worth the MLE, although I wouldn’t pay him for five years.

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by Ben R on Jul 1, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said

everytime the Bucks do something that could be good, they always give me one reason to
Facepalm

Signing a 30 year old underachieving PF to a 5 year contract. ugh.

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by Marty Mart on Jul 1, 2010 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

From Woj's Twitter:
G-State restricted free agent Anthony Morrow has slew of interest, including Spurs, Celtics, Lakers, Blazers, Clips and Jazz, sources say.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions  

No way GS doesn't match anything short of the MLE

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by Ben R on Jul 1, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't afford Brian Shaw?

Or is it a reply fail?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jul 1, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can anyone explain the term “Strong Side Zone” that refers to the lakers/NBA style defense? I thought the lakers just played man with certain screen/switch recovery schemes

by Orz on Jul 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

the Atlanta Hawks are gonna sign Joe Johnson to a ridiculous contract

6 years, 119 million

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jul 1, 2010 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Wait a minute..
the Atlanta Hawks are gonna sign Joe Johnson to a ridiculous contract
the Atlanta Hawks are gonna sign Joe Johnson
the Atlanta Hawks are gonna sign
the Atlanta Hawks

Fixed.

Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Jul 1, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Drew Gooden has signed a five-year, $32 million dollar deal with the Milwaukee Bucks.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jul 1, 2010 11:24 AM PDT reply actions  

>.>

It’s bad when Bucks and Wolves dominate headlines.

Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Jul 1, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

yay for news!!

yesterday night sucked

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jul 1, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Time to start drilling my 20 month old toddler on his offhand dribble…

by Orz on Jul 1, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is anyone else happy about Doc Rivers coming back?

I’m really happy. I would absolutely love to see another Boston L.A. finals. Even though KG is kinda old, Ray Allen is on the decline, and Paul Pierce is really douchey, they still might be able to get to the finals.

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Jul 1, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

That will be if they can keep their core together.

I see Pierce going back, but I’m not sure if Ray will still be there.

I do have a lot of respect for Rivers, though.

by jnguyen0390 on Jul 1, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Phils back!

Phils comin back baby breaking news on ESPN :)

by apathygood on Jul 1, 2010 1:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

lol, i was gonna the say thing right now haha

"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"

by kb06 on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

fuck. yeah.

I don’t have a problem saying, ‘Your franchise player sucks.’ - Ron Artest

by _logan_ on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

So so happy :) he pisses me off sometimes but I’d never want anyone else

by apathygood on Jul 1, 2010 1:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

gonna say the same thing*

"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"

by kb06 on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

PHIIIIIILLLLLLLLLL JACCKSONNN

One more year! One more year!!!

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

phil!!!!
SpearsNBAYahoo
  
 SpearsNBAYahoo
  
Lakers just announce Phil Jackson will return next season to coach Lakers. 2 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® .

"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"

by kb06 on Jul 1, 2010 1:53 PM PDT reply actions  

It’ll be the last stand for me. Hopefully, a grand one.

Or something like that.

by E-ROC on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

here is a link

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/100701philjacksontoreturn.html

"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"

by kb06 on Jul 1, 2010 1:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll front page this link, thx

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by Gil Meriken on Jul 1, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

phil said
It will be the last stand for me, I hope it will be a great one.

"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"

by kb06 on Jul 1, 2010 1:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Welcome Back Phil

3-Peat #4

Go Lakers!!!

You all occupy a world dominated by Kobe Bryant, consider yourself fortunate.

by S Jay Bruin on Jul 1, 2010 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

all your trophies are belong to us

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by _logan_ on Jul 1, 2010 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

lol

Czheck Productions
My Instrumentals
Lebrons waiting to see where Adam Morrison goes first before he signs

by Czheck on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rest of the Association let out a big:

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

You all occupy a world dominated by Kobe Bryant, consider yourself fortunate.

by S Jay Bruin on Jul 1, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

PHIL IS BACK!

YAY!

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 1, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Thanks Phil...

Just leave BShaw in a good position to take over in 2011-12.

by bigdeal1188 on Jul 1, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

If Kobe doesn't make his teammates better, how on Earth does Adam Morrison have two rings!?

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