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For Crying out Loud, Kobe did not Suck in Game 3

Game 3 has been the most awesome game in the playoffs so far for me. Grind it out. Wire to wire. And a breath of fresh air from those refs in games 1 and 2.

Fish came through silencing the Fisher-pls-retire movement once again. Brilliant grind it out effort from both teams. But please. Kobe Bryant was NOT a sucky chucker in game 3, as a lot of you were mentioning in the threads. Watch the game again if you have to. And I am not one to hesitate to point at Bryant for a bad performance.

As playoff games intensify, so does my passion for defending my opinions, so before you comment below, read. Again it's all good with you guys :) It's all part of the game to defend my stand.

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To begin with, Kobe did not just suddenly turn into the "chucker that give people a reason to hate". If you watched the game, you know that the ff things can be observed: 

1. The post defense of the Celtics c/o Rasheed Wallace, Kendrick Perkins, Davis, and KG was amazing. Gasol and Bynum had a hell of a time establishing position, and when they did, it was 15 feet from the basket. So instead of blaming Kobe for Gasol's and Bynum's lack of touches, give the Celtic defense credit. 

2. When Gasol or Bynum were about to get position, the triangle guards and wing had already reversed the ball to Kobe (impatience on the entry passes) :| Kobe for the most part of this game played pinch post in the triangle, so he's not in charge of getting the ball to the bigs (because he's in the opposite elbow). So I don't see how he's to blame when the ball keeps landing on his lap. And if he swings the ball to the other side again, you'd have 5 secs on the clock. Not a really good thing to do now.

3. Kobe had to work with a short clock on a lot of possessions. It's not like he got the ball at the start of the sequence and went to chucking. It's as simple as he sta yed at the w eakside pinch post while the others tried to get something to Gasol and Bynum. Credit the C's defense for not letting that happen. The ball reverses to Kobe or Kobe breaks the sequence with less than 10 secs in the shot clock and tries to make something out of their stagnated offense.

4. The energy, hussle, and defense. No need to elaborate this one.

So what's my point?

I understand that 10/29 can be improved, but the claim that Kobe sucked and was chucking aimlessly in game 3 is a baseless claim. Understand that the high volume of shot attempts was a result of: Celtics great post defense, impatience of the triangle guards and wing (Artest, Farmar, Brown, even Odom at times) to wait for Gasol/Bynum, and a stagnated offense with the shotclock running down. 

To put more perspective, this game was characterized by great defense. You look at it closely, no high level player played at an extremely high high level, except Garnett. Allen? Pierce? Bryant? Gasol? Rondo? Of course we're thankful that Fisher's greatness came through and some of those shots were insanely difficult, mind you.

Kobe should make more of those shots, but to say he sucked and was chucking aimlessly is not fair. 

And you know what, I'd take a grind it out, high intensity defensive game with Bryant Gasol Bynum Pierce Allen Garnett and Rondo struggling any day of the week. This is the Finals, where defense, heart, and effort happens.

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to be honest, i think overall kobe played great, i had no problem with his performance

las night, now, sometimes, its good to hit him in the head… its okay that his shots werent falling, i understand that sometimes the shot clock was winding down.. but i think he shoulda kept driving like he did early in the game…

kobe is the best tough shot maker in the nba, but last night they werent going in the hoop, but he just kept shooting and that pisses me off sometimes…. now, we won, so i dont care, he played good defense, hustle, etc…

im pretty sure he is gonna bounce back next game, im hoping for 40+!!!!!!!!

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by kb06 on Jun 9, 2010 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Watch the third as he chucked away

with whole shot clocks. Thats when he was chucking. The fourth quarter all of the guards refused to show any sort of patience and instead dribbled around and around until they gave it to kobe with 5 secs left. Kobe played well throughout, but he was chucking in the 3rd, when we had the lead. If we had been down, I would’ve let it go, but he was chucking even though we were up by double digits when patience on offense is better than rushed offense.

by Marty Mart on Jun 9, 2010 8:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Everything else about this game

he did well, but that doesn’t mean I can’t have a problem with his shot selection and timing at various times.

by Marty Mart on Jun 9, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec'd

Kobe is much more than just the shooter that some of my fellow Laker fans want to relegate him to. Yeah his shot didn’t fall last night, but there is no way in hell you can say that Bryant didn’t play well. There is a difference between shooting well and playing well. Kobe definately did the latter. Ray Allen is the type of player that shoots well, but when he is off, he is totally useless.Kobe shut down Rondo and played great help D in the post. If Kobe PLAYS like that throuhout the rest of the series even if he SHOOTS the way he did last night. This series is over in 5.

by wavenstein on Jun 9, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

very well said..

i completely agree with what u’ve said about playing well and shooting well.

by johnretsel on Jun 10, 2010 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

it was a sort of a combination

unfortunately Kobe did not attack as much as he should have in the game and settled for horrible shots that just would not fall. If he attacked more, he could have gotten more FTs and higher percentage looks but he settled too much for 3 pointers and 17 foot jump shots.

However, in the late 3rd and into the 4th quarter, the celtics defense effectively took the ball out of the hands of the bigs and other players as well, and by the time he got the ball there was like 6 or 5 seconds on the shot clock and the shots he took were contested. So yeah he practically turned into a bailout shooter since our offense was not producing anything and to cut him some slack, its tough to produce offense when you have so little time to work with.

Our offense overall was so nauseatingly bad in that second half. Thank goodness for Derek Fisher or else we would be down 2-1.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 9, 2010 8:54 AM PDT reply actions  

I remember a very intelligent quote from a Spurs fan about missing and making shots
The more shots you take in a game, the more 2-for-8 stretches mean nothing. How many times this season do you suppose Kobe missed six of eight shots? 50? 60? Maybe sometimes two separate times in one game. The more shots you take, the more your percentages even out to their normal levels.

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 9, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

alright, im way too dumb to get that, i need a little explanation

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by kb06 on Jun 9, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

How many times this season has Kobe needed 29 shots to get 29 points?

Is one really all that different from the other? Would anyone say he had a bad game in all of them?

Remember game 7 of the 2005 NBA Finals? Tim Duncan scored 25 on 10-27 and was hailed as a postseason hero.

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 9, 2010 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you, sir. Someone else who understands.

Besides, if not for Kobe, we wouldn’t have had a 17 pt lead to work with.

"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson

by SoCalGal on Jun 9, 2010 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

spot on man. rec'd

the one thing that epitomized kobe’s hustle was when he got the ball from KG’s attempt at rebounding and then right after saved the ball from going out by throwing it to bynum, who converted the three-point play

"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.

by eLrEiEc on Jun 9, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Even Doc Rivers recognizes

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/fish-252543—.html

Bryant shot poorly most of the game, yet it was evident to the opposing coach how much better Bryant accepted being a draw-the-defense decoy as the game’s end neared.

"He struggled from the field, but he did make a lot of plays," Doc Rivers said. "I think people fail to realize the reason a lot of the other guys are open is because Kobe Bryant is on the floor."
Even so, Rivers saw what we all saw, saying: "Derek Fisher was the difference in the game."

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 9, 2010 10:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Were you and I the only ones not cursing Kobe out all night?

"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson

by SoCalGal on Jun 9, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

prolly

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 9, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was looking for this post, wondering what happened to it

And then I saw it got moved to Recommended Fanposts. Nicely done.

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 9, 2010 10:41 AM PDT reply actions  

This is about what I saw too

Also…the difference between between people criticizing Kobe’s shooting game and setting him on a pedestal for pure awesomeness is only 4 or 5 makes out of his misses. 5 would have made it 15/29 and over 50% and would have rocked the garden.

Many of the shots Kobe took were solid looks and shots he usually makes…even some of the late clock shots that were contested. I have to give the guy major props. Even when he doesn’t shoot just touching the ball in the possession usually means good things. The P and R with Fisher was pure genius!

by poorwebguy on Jun 9, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

True this dude. I wasn't happy with his shooting...

…but the second best play of the game was when he Rondoed Garnett and through a laser to Andrew for the And-1 as he was falling out of bounds. That kind of heart told me all I needed to know about how much Kobe wanted that game. At least 7-10 of the shots he took were with less than 7 ticks on the shot clock.

I think the thing is, we have ridiculous standards for the guy. 10-29 with the types of shots that guy takes is actually still pretty incredible, but since it’s Kobe, it’s gotta be more like 14-16 of 29. I can’t wait for him to go off. It’s going to happen. :D

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

" 'So what if I hit the wall?"
(Reporter): 'Why?'
'Because I'll run right through it."

-Kobe Bryant

by TrojanRam on Jun 9, 2010 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

You mean...Kobe "spoils us with [his] play"? :p

but in all seriousness I don’t think Kobe had a “bad” game.

But there’s no doubt that he could have had a “better” game. :)
He did take a lot of bailout shots, but he also had a couple possessions where he did just take a “low percentage” shot with lots of time on the shot clock.

Still, I agree that lots of people judge this game as a “bad” one because of the ridiculous standards we hold him by (esp. after the phoenix series—you knew he had to come back to earth sometimes and actually start missing on some of those long 2’s)

by Nostance on Jun 9, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

When he is on the floor agressive

nearly always good things happen,Stu says from time to time ‘’I don’t care if he shoots 0 for 35’’.
how 17 point cushion was achieved in the first half?Last night he did not have a bad game at all-29-7-4-2-3.
Sometimes he does of course, he is not a robot.
This FG%/WS,etc is hugely overrated by PER lovers.When you can mix the intangibles/hustle plays/hockey assists/critical momentum baskets into equation they may become valid..
Cheers & go Lakers in 6!

by meeer1171 on Jun 9, 2010 12:28 PM PDT reply actions  

The plays of the game...

Kobe’s block on Perk.

Kobe’s steal from KG and then assist to Bynum.

Kobe’s screens to get Fish open.

Not to mention he shut down Rondo and his line was 29, 7, 4 and 3.

Fish was the player of the game.

But Kobe played well.

He just didn’t shoot well.

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by Tuna Helper on Jun 9, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Kobe did suck

he sucked the gravity out of the garden

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by Czheck on Jun 9, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

{nods}

I'm here to talk about the past.

by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 9, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

the reality here is that Kobe spoils people with his play.

If he went 14-28 and didn’t make it to the FT line he would have shot an AMAZING 50%, but still maintained the same point-per-shot efficiency. The reality is you have to consider Kobe’s game in it’s entirety and his impact. Did he shoot too much? Probably. Did he take bad shots? Yes. This was FAR from Kobe’s best game ever, but the reality is it was only a bad game by HIS standards. Everyone expects Kobe to flirt with a triple double, score 30 points on 20 shots, keep his turnovers low, and come up with big defensive plays on a NIGHTLY basis and the reality is that he is going to have off nights even by his standards.

However, 29 points on 29 shots is actually NOT completely terrible and the Lakers managed to get a win despite the rim not loving Kobe on that night. That was largely in part due to Kobe’s other impacts.

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by Justin N. on Jun 9, 2010 5:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Rec, nice post, I should of thought of this idea

cause I’m one who is tired of hearing people complain, like Kobe can’t miss a shot, like Kobe isn’t human, like if they were in Kobe’s position they could do better

I don’t really freaking care what Kobe averages as long as they walk away with the win, W’s are all that matter and Lakers need two more, sure Kobe would love to make all the right plays and all of his shots but Celtics surely want to have some say in that so be cool Laker fans and just appreciate the WINS

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 9, 2010 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm guilty of cursing out Kobe for most of game 3

I get caught in the heat of the moment and I always want Kobe to shoot at least 50%. But some of those shots were unnecessary and he could have just done his normal one dribble pull up fadeaway or a step back jumper which might have gotten him a couple more makes instead of those one legged, off balance heaves.

by EhondA on Jun 9, 2010 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

But I'm not saying he sucked

I just hate it when Kobe doesn’t shoot 50%. :)

by EhondA on Jun 9, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, you must do a lot of hatin'!

"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson

by SoCalGal on Jun 9, 2010 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah :(

I dunno, the three stats I always look at first are assists, fg%, and steals. And it’s also because my friends knock Kobe for his relatively poor fg% in 5/6 finals so I wanted Kobe to light Boston up on 35/38, 15/16, 16/16. Like in NBA 2k10.

by EhondA on Jun 9, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, this isn't a video game. Put down the joystick!

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by SoCalGal on Jun 9, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

REC

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 10, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

i was soooooo wrong.

i thought kobe choked that game because those shots he took was almost automatic in other series. i watched a replay of kobe’s shot and rondo actually slipped his foot under kobe to make him adjust. wasn’t that a technical? its very dangerous to defend that way.

by johnretsel on Jun 10, 2010 4:09 AM PDT reply actions  

you're absolutely right

kobe had his fingerprints all over that game, and after I watched the replay it became even more apparent

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Jun 10, 2010 7:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Kobe has certainly not played well during the last two 4th quarters ...

… and overall, he’s not playing as well as Pau:

Bryant 26.7 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 5.3 apg, 2.3 spg, 39.4% FG
Gasol 20.3 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 3.3 apg, 3.7 bpg, 57.1% FG

Wouldn’t you much rather have Gasol’s stats than Bryant’s? Especially since they’re both contributing to the Lakers solid defense. I wonder if on some level Kobe’s aware of this, and has been shooting more to assert his alpha dog status?

In any event, Kobe need to get his mindset back to where it was in Game 1, when he looked to (1) pass out of the double team as soon as Boston sent it, and (2) drive to the basket if the double didn’t come. The latter approach might still lead to a lot of missed contested shots at the rim, but at least then Pau / Drew / Lamar will be in great position to get the put backs. Kobe certainly should not be jacking up almost 20 long-range jumpers.

That way, Kobe might actually earn Finals MVP, instead of having it handed to him based on reputation. Incidentally, if there were such a thing as “Playoffs MVP” Kobe would certainly deserve that honor despite Pau’s gaudily efficient numbers, due to the elegant manner in which Kobe orchestrated the offense in Rounds 2 and 3. But for whatever reason, he has not been that same maestro in the Finals— and I think the Lakers really need him to return to form.

by Clipper Oz on Jun 10, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

The Lakers need to return to form by not holding/dribbling the friggin' ball for 20 seconds

before passing it to Kobe for a last second shot, hoping it goes in. That’s what happened in the 3rd, and Phil and everyone acknowledged it. They screwed up and Kobe is getting the blame. He had a great first half and all of that is going by the wayside because of the third quarter.

Additionally, I refuse to throw him under the bus for what happened in Game 2 since he was doing what he could with 5 fouls, a situation you rarely see him in. Frankly, I think Kobe is more interested in the Finals trophy, whether or not it comes with Finals MVP. He just wants a cookie.

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by SoCalGal on Jun 10, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually those last second shots happened more in the 4th quarter

and even in those cases Kobe was often given the ball with 8-10 seconds left and he was the one who instead of driving just dribbled once and then pump-faked until he had to take a bad shot, so he was really just as passive as the rest of the team.

I actually think Kobe was forcing jump shots unnecessarily throughout the first three quarters—here’s a list of Kobe’s 19+ foot or longer shots in Q1-Q3 and the minimum amount of time left on the shot clock (based on the last FG or reb recorded in the official play by play)

Q1
10:52 Kobe Bryant misses 25-foot three point jumper 10 SEC
3:08 Kobe Bryant misses 20-foot jumper 13 SEC
2:29 Kobe Bryant misses 25-foot three point jumper 10 SEC
Q2
3:42 Kobe Bryant misses 26-foot three point jumper 1 SEC
2:17 Kobe Bryant misses 21-foot jumper 11 SEC
0:52 Kobe Bryant makes 21-foot jumper 8 SEC
Q3
11:37 Kobe Bryant misses 22-foot jumper 1 SEC
10:06 Kobe Bryant misses 19-foot jumper 12 SEC
8:03 Kobe Bryant misses 25-foot three point jumper 19 SEC
1:27 Kobe Bryant makes 25-foot three point jumper 11 SEC

So of the ten 19+ foot shots Kobe took in the first three quarters, eight occurred with at least 8 seconds left on the shot clock. He may have been wide open on a couple of these occasions, but overall I consider this poor decision making.

by Clipper Oz on Jun 10, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

he was doing a lot of heat checks. But you’re ignoring the other things that he was doing that evened it out. The 3 blocks that LED THE GAME. The 2 steals with 1 to. He was open for some of these and he shouldn’t have taken a lot of them, but to ignore his other contributions is to ignore that his defense kept them in it just as much as his shooting didn’t exactly help them extend the lead that they held.

by Marty Mart on Jun 10, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven't criticized his defense, or his hustle

just his decision-making on offense, which I think is well-below the high standard he set for himself in Game 1.

by Clipper Oz on Jun 10, 2010 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

well thats another half of the

game you aren’t analyzing. Which is why you must tailor your original post to say, Kobe’s offensive decision making on offense wasn’t good in the game. No one here is going to let you get away with the Kobe had a bad game as you only talk about one side of the ball. Its not like he was 0-13 like Ray Allen, where his only contribution on offense is his scoring. Kobe still set the picks for D. Fish. He still was a good part of the beginning of the game as well even if the shots he took weren’t that great.

by Marty Mart on Jun 10, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you should learn how to read posts before telling others to rewrite them

I never said Kobe had a “bad game.” I said he didn’t play well in the last two 4th quarters, and I stand by that. I specifically write below that Kobe had a mediocre game 2 and 3 (as judged by NBA Finals MVP standards). I also mention in my original post that he (and Pau) have played solid defense.

However, I do admit that I did not give Kobe any credit for shooting better than 0-13— if simply surpassing Ray Allen’s historically bad finals performance is your criterion for excellence, then I guess I’ll let you enjoy your low standards.

by Clipper Oz on Jun 10, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could've fooled

me that you weren’t arguing he had a bad game. Let alone a bad series in comparison to Pau. And your comment on Ray Allen is not correct, I was comparing Allen’s contribution to offense outside of his inability to score with Kobe’s. Kobe played better on offense than Ray Allen because he sets up people and the offense to score even when he himself can’t get anything to fall. The drives you wanted to see weren’t there tonight because they were keyed in on Pau and even when he got the ball he didn’t do much with it. Kobe has to shoot in these situations. Do they have to be these shots that I think were poor? No, but he does have to shoot to keep the defense honest. The reason the Suns were able to exploit the Lakers on offense is a lack of outside shooting. throughout that series he made those shots with proper lift and all. This game, not enough lift and not enough of a first step to get past Rondo/Allens or anything. When you’re the only legitimate outside threat you do what you do, and thats why he stopped shooting after missing those terrible shots in the 3rd. The first 4 shots he took in the fourth were bailout shots, with only one where he got the ball with more than 4 secs on the clock to do something. Combine that with your numbers her and his second half doesn’t look as bad, but it is bad decision making, but he did not have a mediocre game for a Finals MVP. Look at some of the games some Finals MVPs have had and Kobe’s is not even the worst of them. So I keep to my he didn’t have a bad game because what is mediocre, but bad. If you aren’t saying he had an average night, then its on the bad night side of things and sorry, it wasn’t an all bad night on offense even with some of this bad and forced decision making.

by Marty Mart on Jun 10, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is what I can't stand

If Kobe has a bad shooting night a hater always tries to spin into an agenda. Kobe dosen’t have to do anything to “assert his alpha dog status”. Stop with that crap, it’s been played out since 04. KObe has PLAYED great while not SHOOTING well. I already explained the differences earlier. If Kobe PLAYS like this while SHOOTING the exact same way, this series is over in 5

by wavenstein on Jun 10, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Completely disagree

if Kobe continues to play this poorly offensively in the 4th quarter for the rest of the series, the Lakers will lose. They need at least one more clutch performance out of him.

by Clipper Oz on Jun 10, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

REC

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 10, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Saying that

Kobe hasn’t earned Finals MVP would be false because we haven’t seen all of the games. His 3 blks, 7 rebs, 6 asts, and 1 to are all great stats even if his shooting and shot selection were mediocre at times, not including when they gave him all the bailout shots at the end of the shot clock. Pau should avg more rebs, a higher fg%, and more blocks. 2.3 spg is good. 27 ppg is good. The first game was missed layups and blocked shots not bad 20 footers. The second game was once again missed layups and close shots not bad 20 footers, which he was also getting to after to on the offensive end for bs calls and lack thereof. The only game that has featured an indecisive Kobe was last night because he forced some bad shots and his teammate forced some bad shots on him. You would be wrong to try to make this argument, but then again I guess Pau had a good game last night to you.

by Marty Mart on Jun 10, 2010 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's simple math

Pau has had two great games (1+2) and one mediocre game (3)
Kobe has had one great game (1) and two mediocre games (2+3)

by Clipper Oz on Jun 10, 2010 10:20 AM PDT reply actions  

only if you judge off of offensive decision making

Kobe has played great defense limiting the Celtics best player in Rondo and has had his own lapses of judgment on offense. Kobe had another good game in game 2. He missed chippies in the lane because of his five fouls, but he did not have a bad game 2. They iso’d him at the end and he wasn’t getting the chippies to fall. Kobe has more on his shoulders of responsibility than Pau and thus far he has made mostly good decisions. You saying Pau made better decisions just means he held the fort down low and played good defense. You saying Kobe has made worse decisions means that his mediocre play was on both offense and defense and you only have 1 game as an example and that was the game he was in foul trouble. Lastly, there are still more games to play so stop judging the right now and come later to show us how Pau is actually the MVP of the Finals.

by Marty Mart on Jun 10, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rondo had a triple-double in Game 2

and basically won the game for the Celtics in the last five minutes, so I don’t see how anyone can plausibly claim that Kobe played good defense against Rondo in Game 2 (as opposed to Games 1 and 3).

by Clipper Oz on Jun 10, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because

when you’re the best player on the team. To foul out with 5 minutes left just to stop one layup kind of seems um, stupid.

by Marty Mart on Jun 10, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, Kobe picked up his 4th foul in the 3rd quarter.

His 5th was for a phantom call early in the 4th when Rondo was “pushed” out of bounds. Replay showed that he never touched him. He couldn’t do to much more than what he did without fouling out.

Seriously?

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by SoCalGal on Jun 10, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Um 32 points by Ray Allen

8 threes… It was Ray won the first half, Rondo won the second. Boston won only because they two played on the same team.

by LeoMoreno on Jun 13, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

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