Brian Shaw Would Be a Decent Hire as Laker Head Coach
by DexterFishmore on Jun 27, 2010 11:36 AM PDT
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The coming week is a big one for the NBA coaching market. Phil Jackson is due to notify the Lakers by Friday whether he's interested in returning for a threepeat run. That will set in motion hiring decisions not only by the Lakers but also the Cleveland Cavaliers. The Cavs' first choice for their vacancy is reportedly Byron Scott. According to the Cleveland Plain-Dealer, however, Scott has put the Cavs on hold while he waits on Phil's decision. But Byron isn't assured of getting the Laker job even if it opens up, because the team is also looking at Brian Shaw, who by the way is interviewing with the Cavs this week. Someone chart this out in PowerPoint so I can keep it straight.
Essentially, it seems, if Phil steps down, the Lakers will choose between Scott and Shaw, and Cleveland will probably end up with whomever's left over. We'll have more thoughts on Scott in the coming days. For now, I want to focus on his competition. We know him well here at Silver Screen and Roll. Even before he become the trendy head-coach candidate du jour, we spotted his great talent and never-before-revealed influence in human history. We knew he was a force to be reckoned with when Sasha Vujacic attempted to tussle with him, only to find his ass nailed to the bench for a few games back in March.
That's right, friends. It's time to talk about the man, the myth, the one and only Brian Shaw.
First, a review of the basics. Shaw is 44 years old and has been assistant coach for the Lakers for six seasons. He's from Oakland originally, played college ball at St. Mary's and UCSB and was drafted into the league by the Celtics in 1989. In a 14-year professional playing career, he suited up for seven NBA teams and one Italian team. He once set a league record by draining 10 three-pointers in a single game, an unlikely achievement for someone who made barely 30% of threes in his career.
Shaw has emerged as a trendy head-coaching candidate for the same reason anyone ever does: he's closely associated with a successful franchise. The Lakers have won two straight titles with him at Phil's side, so teams are understandably hoping that if they hire him, they'll be importing some of that championship mojo. That he isn't known as an X's and O's magician like John Kuester or Tom Thibodeau hasn't dimmed his appeal.
Would Shaw be a good choice to replace Phil in the cab of the Laker 18-wheeler? The more I've thought about this question, the more I've warmed up to the idea. There are two criteria that should figure most prominently into the choice of a new Laker coach. One is systems continuity: the Lakers have won back-to-back titles running the Triangle offense and the strong-side trap on defense, so you want someone who knows that playbook and will continue to run it. Hiring someone wed to their own pet systems (think John Calipari and his dribble-drive attack) not only isn't necessary, but would be affirmatively harmful. Anyone in the mood for another year of Ron Artest trying to figure out where he's supposed to be on the floor?
On this point, Shaw fits the bill. He's studied at Phil's feet for years, both as a player and as an assistant. There aren't many people in the world who know the Laker playbook as well as he does. He won't feel the need to implement something new just to prove how brilliant he is.
The second job requirement for a prospective Laker coach should be an ability to manage the complex assortment of personalities in the Laker locker room. Aside from Derek Fisher, every core member of the rotation needs to be handled delicately at times. The head coach, whoever he is, will have to persuade Kobe Bryant to throttle back his shooting occasionally, or maybe rest an injured limb for his and the team's long-term benefit. The coach may need to make sure Pau Gasol is still feeling loved in those moments when the guards are forgetting to feed him the ball. The coach will need to light a fire under Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom. He'll need to handle the next bout of Artest craziness, whatever form it might take. Derrick Caracter, if he makes the team, will present his own set of challenges.
Let's just concede that no one is as well suited to this role as Phil Jackson. Phil has the rings, he has the authority, he has the experience with all of these players (save Caracter), and he has the even-keeled, "What, me worry?" temperament. That's why his potential retirement is such a big deal. Presiding over the Laker locker room is a high-stakes, high-degree-of-difficulty undertaking, and if Phil retires to the wilds of Montana, whoever's next in line won't be as good at the job.
If you're looking for someone who commands the same respect in coaching circles, you're down to a really short list. There's Gregg Popovich, there's Mike Krzyzewski, and that's about it. I'm guessing neither of those guys is available, but hey, if the Lakers are interested in either one, they should make the call. The worst thing that happens is they say no.
Assuming Pop and Coach K aren't on the market? Shaw offers some advantages. Foremost among them is that he knows all the personalities (again, save the rooks). Perhaps he doesn't speak from Mount Olympus like Phil does, but he has relationships with all the key players. He knows how they interact with each other and how they react to instruction. He knows which buttons to push and which to avoid. An outsider such as Byron Scott would be learning all this on the fly, and there's no guarantee that significant interpersonal conflicts wouldn't arise.
The major drawback to putting Shaw in charge is that he's never been the top guy. Head coach of a two-time defending champion isn't an ideal entry-level position. Relative to working as an assistant, the step-up in pressure and scrutiny is enormous. So far, Shaw has always had Phil looking out for him. Note, for instance, how Sasha didn't make amends to Shaw on his own initiative back in March. He was brought to heel only when Phil stuck him on the bench and made clear that he wouldn't be back in action unless and until Sasha showed the appropriate level of remorse. Can Shaw fill the same disciplinarian role convincingly without Phil there to back him up?
I don't know. It's an uncertainty, but there will be uncertainties with whomever the Lakers hire, should a new hire become necessary. At this point in Laker history, it seems that continuity is the most important consideration. Shaw knows the Laker system and he knows the Laker personnel. Byron Scott only knows of those things, which makes Shaw the better choice.
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+1 for mentioning the Brian Shaw thread
:)
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
beat me to it
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"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Shaw’s familiarity with Phil’s principles/system and also dealing with the players is why he should be our new coach if Phil decides to leave. When are dealing with a team that has just came off back to back title runs, you want to keep as much of the system/ ways of dealing with players intact.
If you bring in Scott, he is gonna probably bring in a completely new system, rather then continue off with what Phil left, and he isnt as familiar with the various players/ egos as much except for maybe Kobe and Fisher.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
any truth to the rumor?
That if Phil retires that George Seifert will come in to take over from the legend?
i see what u did there
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clicked on Dex’s link, and he’s an NFL coach for cryin’ out loud. This is the first time I’ve read a joke coming from you, so, props. ;-)
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could be
But I think Seifert’s a better fit because the West Coast offense and the triangle offense are innovations of the same level, I think. Arguably WCO is more influential (since more teams have adopted it), but the notion of keeping the defense off balance and reacting off what’s given to you is common to both.
are we sure shaw is gonna run the same systems?
if so then i agree he will be the best option. trying to change a team that has won 2 straight championships and 3 straight finals appearance is a recipe for disaster. only thing that worries me is his inexperience as a headcoach. still holding out hope for phil to come back at least 1 more year. 4 3peats? sounds good to me!
by lakers are trouble on Jun 26, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions
B-Shaw's new assistant coach should be
Ron Harper
by deadmuse on Jun 26, 2010 9:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
In Phil we trust, just come back Phil and save us the truma cause imma cry
three-peat will be in jepordy no matter what if Phil steps down so yes Shaw would run the same system and that would nice but Phil needs to just do one more year and thats it. 1 MO PHIL PLEASE
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how bout we all send phil a card asking for 1 more year?
have every laker fan sign it and he’ll come back for sure!
by lakers are trouble on Jun 26, 2010 9:39 PM PDT reply actions
I'm with that, I don't want another coach
they just need to get the three-peat then Phil can happily walk away and I’ll be fine
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agreed.
if he comes back and wins another championship, thats 4 3peats. i mean, he would be considered the greatest coach of all time in any sport.
by lakers are trouble on Jun 26, 2010 9:49 PM PDT reply actions
yeah but
he’s already considered the greatest without another 3-peat. You could even Take away a few titles from him and he’d still be the greatest.
Yes, but if he comes back...
He can be the GREATEST greatest. Someone please make sure he understands that point.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 26, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
yes of course us laker fans already consider him the greatest
but i’m talking about all of sports not just nba and basketball. hell even celtics fans wouldn’t be able to fully disagree as our next championship will tie them for most rings. they might admit that phil is better than red auerbach. that would be awesome. really stick it to em!
by lakers are trouble on Jun 26, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
I’ll take a 10-peat anytime. Wooden is still the greatest.
well, not a 10 peat....
but I see your point.
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…on other coaching prospects? I like Shaw, but I’m leaning towards JVG and and dreading the possibility of Byron Scott.
why would you want jvg instead of shaw?
jvg would bring in a completely new system. a veteran team with 2 straight championships and 3 straight finals appearances don’t need to learn a new system. i’d much rather have the continuity that shaw brings. not to mention the fact that our core guys respect shaw. and also brian shaw has superpowers lol
by lakers are trouble on Jun 26, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we'll have a Scott piece up tomorrow
I’m not sensing that JVG is being seriously considered, but we’ll certainly address it if his name starts popping up in more of the chatter.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 26, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What to make of this
From: http://www.ocregister.com/articles/jackson-254776-real-reasons.html
Jerry Buss alluded back in November to his next coach being someone he has "a special fondness for."
Sounds to me like Byron Scott which would be my worst nightmare.
him and brian shaw are in the same civil war reenactment group
i think its in santa barbra
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I think he probably means Magic.
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by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 27, 2010 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Utah fans are hoping for Phil's retirement
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700043604/Phil-Jacksons-departure-would-help-the-Jazz.html?pg=1
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 26, 2010 11:06 PM PDT reply actions
Utah with another example on how to keep it classy
maybe they should stop playing the lakers in the post season just sayin
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by Czheck on Jun 26, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I like how they refer to the Lakers as “egocentric boneheads,” when they themselves show no regard for cancer stricken infants.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Jun 26, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
but fisher lied
thats what the t shirt said
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by lakers are trouble on Jun 27, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It's probably not just Utah fans
Given Phil’s success, it I were a fan of another team I’d probably vote for Phil’s retirement too. It’s like Pop X 3 over the course of around 20 years. That has to be a very frustrating thing with which to deal.
I prefer to win against any coach with everyone healthy and other teams playing their best. When it looks like we’re not going to win I certainly don’t mind things to swing my way. I don’t wish for injuries or accidents to players, but when they happen I don’t mind if it helps me win if we otherwise wouldn’t.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 27, 2010 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions
has anybody consider that phil jackson and brian shaw are playing mind games with the nba?
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phil might be doing that with buss
by saying he is “leaning towards retirement” in an effort to get buss to drive up the offer, but who knows I think his health is a bigger decider here.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Any mention of the pending Ammo-Bosh trade?
Also, Brian Shaw would ruin everything. I want some excitement in my games. I mean, with Shaw, lol, it’s like PJ^100. Seriously, I am scared to imagine just how great our offense will be.
Run the triangle? LOL. Shaw runs the Rhombus, bitches.
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by 99bc99 on Jun 26, 2010 11:48 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
I always thought he ran the Buckyball offense
by stephens on Jun 27, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL...not sure how many people got that one...rec'ced
But to run the Buckyball offense, we need to coax Todd Fuller out of retirement.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 27, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
lmfao
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What is Rudy T doing these days?
Next season would be a nightmare w/ anyone other than Phil. That is all we need, Kobe playing Player/Coach. Phil is the ONLY one in the world who knows how to reign him in. Not even Kobe knows how to reign himself in (see 3 quarters of game 7). It will just be Kobe ripping his teammates without mercy, desperate for history.
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Don't know about Shaw...
Frank Hamblen embodied continuity… and we know how that turned out.
Well, sort of...
He came after Phil was gone, Shaq was gone, Fish was gone, Fox was gone, Payton was gone, Malone was gone, a few lesser used players were gone and the Rudy T. showed up with a new system and then was gone.
And by sort of I’d say not really. I can sort of see it as we had Phil → Rudy T for 45 games → Phil’s assistant Frank Hamblen, but I don’t think Hamblen did exclusively triangle/Phil style and SOOooo many things changed.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 27, 2010 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions
A little OJT is called for here
Last year Phil suggested that he might just work the home games and maybe short trips, but nothing back East. Rambis was supposed to handle those games. To me, this was a decent idea.
Kurt would get about 30% of the schedule to run the team, and be Jackson’s shadow the rest of the time. A year like that would get him ready to take over when Phil walked.
Why not do the same now? If Phil gives us one more, Shaw or whoever it is gets time at the controls, and lots of time with Phil to get himself ready. Unless you bring in a seriously experienced coach — and that’s unlikely — this is the way to go.
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But now circumstances are different.
If it’s a choice between Phil 70% of the time, or Phil 0% of the time, what’s he gonna choose?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 27, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
It's different to work with an asst. mgr. than a manager.
I’m a trainer and management consultant. I’ve seen these types of situations in the workplace. Team members relate to an assistant one way and to the overall manager quite differently.
They dealt with Brian as an assistant only and, if Phil doesn’t come back, those relationships have to start all over anew.
If the Lakers put together a combo arrangement with Jackson and Shaw, as earlier described, it would give the team a huge benefit in having Phil guide the team, while they get used to Brian in the lead position. By the next year, Brian comes in having forged a much stronger position.
If the team threepeats, Brian gets partial credit for that and, when he takes over as the sole coach, he does so as a championship leader.
Of course, a coach from the outside won’t go for such a deal. This is only for a current assistant.
IMHO, this is a complete win-win.
To bring in somebody from the outside is a risk, even if they have experience with the Triangle. I mean, do you really want to put unnecessary question marks around this incredible opportunity to ring up some more championships?
Mitch, do a hybrid. Let Phil do as much as he will do, and let him school the next coach.
It’s our best chance for banner # 17.
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by LakersForTrey on Jun 27, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm convinced
You’ve thought out this idea and it sounds good to me.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 27, 2010 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I want this
After reading those comments about Byron Scott below, I don’t want him. Seems like a chill dude but that’s not gonna work with Kobe on the team.
I don’t want Shaw thrust into the spotlight immediately after Phil so this idea sounds perfect. Phil can take care of his health and we can still groom our next head coach.
As long as it's not Scott, I'll take it
Shaw at the very least will provide continuity via the triangle, which is important. Scott has nearly always been a highly mediocre offensive coach — Eddie Jordan and Jason Kidd ran the offense in New Jersey and New Orleans ran almost nothing past basic pick-and-roll sets that fell apart without Paul’s sheer dominance making it work — and he’s had two locker rooms tune him out, which led to Kidd forcing him out and NO essentially quitting on him against Denver in ’09.
I’d prefer Shaw with JVG with my second choice, although I’m a bit more ambivalent about this choice.
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by Ben R on Jun 27, 2010 7:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Byron would be the right choice
Phil is done, he knows it, but he does not like it. This keeps him from announcing.
After Phil the players will need a new voice to provide a spark. Brian will be a good head coach, just not in this follow up role. His voice would be heard as an echo on this team, not that the players would not respect him. The words would not have the same impact as they would on a new team.
Byron could retain the X & O assistants, assuming they want to remain. I think they would. This helps maintain the system. Byron could provide some adjustments that will be required anyway. OKC is the new threat and I do not see that team regressing. I see that team stepping up to the next level and competing for WCF home court. If you are liked minded on that opinion, tell me you think the Lakers just need to stand pat?
The Lakers need a bench that can play 30 minutes and play at a high level. Leaving Lamar aside. The skill is there for Farmar, the desire is not, Brown is still raw and needs playing time. The rest are all good people who fill a set role. Time for some need blood.
Byron could help develop a new dynamic for the team and infuse a new attitude.
And you think the team would listen to Byron Scott?
Do you realize this is a man that has been fired twice for losing his team? Teams that tuned him out, because of his grind ‘em down style. You expect the 2-Time defending Champs aren’t going to tune him out? They’ve already been there, and Scott supposed style will not fly over well with made guys.
If you think Brian Shaw’s would not have same impact, I pretty sure Byron Scott’s would have no impact what-so-ever.
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In New Jersey he implored Kidd to work on his jump shot. Which now 7 years later is serviceable at best. At the time, Kidd was no better than Rondo is now. Kidd has never been receptive to critiques of his game. So naturally there was going to be friction and look where NJ and Kidd went after he left, nowhere. Kidd still has not made it back to the finals.
Then in New Orleans Bryon molded a winning team, when healthy. Tyson Chandler for Emeka Okafor. Rehired former coach Tim Floyd. Yea, that organization knows what their doing. Byron was likely happy to be off that titanic.
The talking heads may be down on Byron, but any GM that knows how to win will have him on the short list. Bryon will not have any trouble with guys that give up their bodies to win. Name one guy on the Lakers that does not give it when it counts? His voice will be needed during training camp in getting the new kids to understand why PRACTICE is important. So that Kobe will pass them the ball in a game. Because as we seen again in game 7, some teams will not allow KOBE to play hero ball.
Scott's issues have been well-documented.
Kidd’s jumper only really started developing in Dallas, well after he threw Scott under the bus and essentially had him fired. And in New Orleans, he lost his guys so fast that they fired him and put Jeff freaking Bower in as head coach. Scott works by sucking up to his stars and wearing down on his role players. His sucking up worked on Kidd for a bit, then grew old. It was working fine on Paul, but then when Paul started getting injured the rest of the team finally stood up to Scott. And I’d love to see Scott try to suck up to Kobe, he’d be out of there in a heartbeat.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 27, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If there was any coach Kobe would trust it would be?
Byron Scott. Those who loosely follow the lakers should know the relationship Byron Scott and Kobe has. Byron Scott is in Kobe’s tight nit group of people he truly likes and respects. So you shouldn’t be worried about the team not respecting Scott, we should be worried more so about the system he will implement. However, this may be the best time to implement a new system. The lakers will most likely bring in 4 or 5 new guys. I don’t want to see 4 new guys along with Artest trying to run the triangle. Even if Scott were to come in and implement a new system, I’m sure the lakers will still run some triangle. The triangle is not something that has to be coach because Fisher,Kobe,Pau,Lamar,Bynum all know it. The lakers have actually been running the triangle less and less and they completely scrap it in overtime. That is another reason that this may just be the time for a new system.
Obviously first preference is to have Phil return. Brian Shaw is the natural replacement. But Byron Scott is still a great choice.
Byron's style...
…would be to tell the role players to STFU, stand in the corner, and wait for the ball to get passed to them off the Kobe-Pau pick and roll. He’s also known for his almost daily 18 holes of golf, even holding up the team plane on travel days so he can get his round in. His role players have ALWAYS tuned him out after a couple seasons, and management tires of his lax preparation (and golfing habits) once the team starts to lose. This happened in both NJ and NOLA.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 27, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The lakers have actually been running the triangle less and less and they completely scrap it in overtime.
- Which is why their offensive rating has been on a downward trend since 08.
The lakers will most likely bring in 4 or 5 new guys.
- But their core remains the same, and their core, asides from Artest, have either played the vast majority of their career in the Triangle (all except Pau), or have picked up the Triangle the fastest of anyone to ever play it and are perfect for it (Pau).
Byron Scott. Those who loosely follow the lakers should know the relationship Byron Scott and Kobe has. Byron Scott is in Kobe’s tight nit group of people he truly likes and respects.
That’s the issue. You shouldn’t ‘like’ a coach based on his personality before he’s even coached you. You should ‘like’ a coach based on how they coach you towards wins. Kobe and Phil are a perfect example – they hated each other. And look, many of Kobe’s teammates disliked him in his younger years, and now they respect the hell outta him. Some of it is because Kobe’s matured, but much of it is because his teammates have matured and now understand Kobe’s behaviour is helping them win. Meanwhile LeBron’s teammates have always loved him, and look where that got them.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 27, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Anyone remember this?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-paulhornets111309
Hiring Scott could very well end the Laker dynasty. Jerry Buss has such a fondness for the Showtime era that he dislikes the triangle, and may want Scott to take over. The only player who wouldn’t be tired of Scott after a few months would be Kobe.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 27, 2010 11:31 AM PDT reply actions
What exactly are we basing Byron Scott being able to coach the lakers on? Are we saying the guy can’t coach? Or are we saying that the lakers shouldn’t get rid of the triangle. I’m not saying that yeah retire phil and hire Byron Scott. I’m saying Scott will do a good job if he is hired and laker nation shouldn’t panic. This guy did make the finals twice. And had the Hornets on the cusp of the wcf two years ago. The problem with the hornets wasn’t Scott, it’s the ownership, injuries, and the attitudes of their players. Scott was fired by the Nets when their record was 22-20, and 3-6 when he was fired by the hornets in which 6 of those games were on the road (including losses away versus Boston, PHX, SA and LA).
I think all of the lakers fan are putting too much emphasis on the triangle offense. It’s not offense that wins championships, it’s defense. Like I mentioned before, the lakers scrap the triangle in the 4th quarter of games (which can absolutely be attributed to their lack of 4th quarter efficiency). But on the flip side of that, with Jackson as coach, they still don’t run the triangle nearly as much as they used, so what do think is going to happen if Shaw is at the head.
No, Kobe or anyone shouldn’t base things off of their personal feelings. But it at least starts from there, most of the time. The point wasn’t that Scott will be a great coach for the lakers because Kobe likes him, it is that Kobe has the utmost respect for Scott personally and professionally. So Kobe and other players not listening to Scott wouldn’t be a problem. The lakers’ core is a veteran group, with veteran leadership coming off of two straight titles . I don’t think Scott or any coach would be foolish enough to step in with an authoritarian attitude and completely change the culture of the lakers. Of course any coach, including shaw, will infuse certain things that they would like to do. But I’m not worried about an smart and experienced coach ruining a potential dynasty. Now if it were Mike Brown I would be worried, or JVG as some alluded to. The lakers replacement if Phil were to retire has to someone of Scotts stature that the players will listen to, but be smart enough to completely change everything that won two championships for the lakers.
Regarding teams tuning him out. I look at it this way, the same way I look at kobe. That’s this, what has Kobe (Scott) done with talent around him (coaching talent)? The answer is win. And his teams in NJ and OKC/NO were not half as talented as the lakers are. And as far as the Hornets role players not listening to him…what role players? The hornets had absolutely no bench, inconsistent Peja, no talent Morris Peterson. In the 08 or 09 season. In the 09 season Chandler missed half of the season. If we want to say the players quit because they loss by 50 versus the Nuggets, we can say the lakers quit on Phil when they loss by 40 in an elimination game in the finals. But us laker fans won’t say that. The point is Scott has done the most with what he has had. He’s a great coach and would be good for the lakers.
Now the golfing habit, that would absolutely have to go.
Hire a coach built for the team; the other way is madness.
The Lakers are built to play the Triangle, and play a certain style of defense. It has been wildly successful.
If you want to change that, the most effective way is to hire the coach with the new system, then recruit players who have the requisite skill set to handle it.
Anything else will almost certainly lead to mediocrity in the short term.
By the time this team would learn a new approach and become proficient at it, part of this window of opportunity will have passed.
The only sane approach is to ride this horse through the end of the contracts of the core players, and then possibly decide on a new direction, or until some other team passes us by and forces a change.
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by LakersForTrey on Jun 27, 2010 1:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
damn if characters offense and ebanks defense were combined
theyd be taken in the lottery
That picture makes it look like B. Shaw is showing Fish the proper way to apply "The Shocker."
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by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jun 28, 2010 3:23 AM PDT reply actions
If PJ isn't back I think Shaw is savvy enough to handle the job
During the 3-peat years Shaw was always a mentor to Kobe, during time outs you would see Shaw going over and giving him advice
Did this get any national links I'm not aware of?
It’s getting ridiculous numbers of page views.
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