Phil Jackson Is Leaning Toward Retirement
by DexterFishmore on Jun 23, 2010 4:16 PM PDT
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PrintToday comes the first direct indication of where Phil Jackson's head is at in terms of coaching the Lakers next year. In his postseason exit interview with the team, he informed Dr. Buss that he is "leaning toward retiring" but that he hasn't made up his mind yet. On why he might retire, here are a couple things Phil had to say:
Some of it is about health. That's just the way I'm feeling right now. It's just something I'm going to sit with. . . .
I think it's actually easier to leave [a team that's in position to win again]. I'd be happy if they could go on and win without me. I think they have enough leadership on the floor and in the coaching staff.
Well, yeah. When you've got Derek Fisher on the floor, leadership is the least of your worries. Anyhow, today Phil will wrap up his usual run of yearly medical tests, after which he'll drive up to Montana and chill for a week. His plan is to make a decision by Friday, July 2nd.
It's exceedingly rare for an NBA champion to have to find a new coach in the offseason. The last time it happened was during the 1998-99 lockout, when Chicago hired Tim Floyd to coach the post-Jordan, post-Pippen, post-Phil Bulls. Before that, it hadn't happened since 1969, when Bill Russell retired from his position as player-coach of the Celtics and was replaced by Tommie Heinsohn.
Who might occupy Phil's chair if he does retire is pure speculation at this point, although Byron Scott and Brian Shaw are the names everyone seems obliged to mention. I've already contacted Dr. Buss and told him that I won't take the job for less than $15 million a year. Tough but fair - that's the Fishmore way.
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by Czheck on Jun 23, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 23, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I’ve already contacted Dr. Buss and told him that I won’t take the job for less than $15 million a year. Tough but fair – that’s the Fishmore way.
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$15 mil a year? Selling yourself short?
Anyway, I’m DEFINITELY not sold on either Scott/Shaw. But I think I’d lean towards Shaw of those two.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
From the article posted before this one
“If you asked me last February if I was going to continue to coach, I’d have given you a long look and said, ‘Probably not.’” Those were Jackson’s words, to this magazine, more than 14 years ago, before his second threepeat with the Bulls. He claimed then that he would retire within two seasons, and go off to another career, possibly in politics.
So, I’m going to take his words with a pillar of salt.
But if he is still leaning that way in a few weeks, I say dust off the ol’ gimmick of having Phil coach home games, and let The B. Shaw handle the away games (with a bluetooth in his ear, of course, with PJ on the other end).
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
I agree GIL
Phil should be the coach no matter what and as always, I’ll believe it when I see it
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If Phil does retire Im in favor of promoting Brian Shaw to head coach
he has a strong knowledge of the triangle offense after working with Phil as a player and as an assistant coach. We all know that the triangle offense has been the key to the team’s success these past couple of years and we dont want to break away from what has been working.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Jun 23, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure what has been working
is Kobe isos with everyone standing around watching. But in all seriousness, yeah Shaw seems to be a good option. Not that many good coaches out there that is available, if Phil leaves, it’ll probably lower their chances of three-peating, but they still probably can pull it off, hopefully.
"I once convinced a woman that I was Kevin Costner, and it worked because I believed it" - Saul Goodman
perhaps they could also hire ron harper for an assistant
from the article in the credits today, it looks like harper is looking for a job. he states that he’s good working with egoes, has knowledge of the triangle, and definitely has kobe’s respect.
by Nostance on Jun 23, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
it almost seemed like every time the camera focused on phil on the bench, he was talking to shaw about the game and shaw often was caught nodding. i am not sure who i’d be in favor of if phil departed. it would be a blow to this team. do u guys think shaw is ready? many thought rambis was ready, and he had an awful year in minny—granted they have nowhere near the talent that the lakers have.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Kurt
inherited the team and players when he arrived there, so I would save the rating for the time being. At least after the draft and their play this coming season
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another issue with Minnie...
Was that no one there had any familiarity with the triangle and Rambis was running it.
I guess some players were very resistant to it which is a behavior all too encouraged by the NBA (I don’t think it’s deliberate, but you just have a mm room for error as a coach in the NBA).
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 24, 2010 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions
So, before he hears the doctors news
he says he is leaning towards retirement. Why would he bother going to the Dr. then and mention he is waiting to see what they say? Just retire or at the least figure that out first.
I think this statement is nothing but a negotiation tactic. Just pay the man already. Give him 12.5 for next year Dr. Buss. And Phil sign that contract already.
Reading between the lines of this statement, I see “the doctors gave me no indication that anything was of concern. I am still waiting on my tests, but I am planning on coming back. I am not going to coach anywhere else and retirement is the only bargaining chip I have.”
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
hmmm you might have a good point here
we all know Buss was intending on giving him a paycut for 1 more season. This could cause him to rethink that and dig deeper. If Phil wasnt healthy enough to coach another season, he would have come forward and just said it upfront instead of entertaining the idea.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
don't think it's the money
the dude has health issues. Guy is old and tired. 100+ games, hours of sitting in stress and watching videos? barking at 13 guys? guy seems calm but if our hearts could hardly handle a close 4th quarter, imagine his’? Sure he’s the zen master, but he is also human. As much as I selfishly want him back, perhaps it’s best for Phil to retire and enjoy life. As for Brian Shaw…not so sure. I would look at Doc Rivers, Jeff Van Gundy, or Byron Scott too….Sighs…I just don’t feel that comfortable with Shaw, Kurt Rambis’ leadership is more comforting.
magic said he’d give buss some (of his own) money in order to keep phil. is that possible in light of nba rules?
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Magic does own about 5% of the Lakers
So as long as he is a part of the franchise i think that’s ok.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
What about...
“Hey Pop… wanna coach for $10 million a year?”
Just kidding.
Kinda.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
I wish!
If Phil retires then the next best coach is Pop, I would think, although there would be major philosophical changes.
"I once convinced a woman that I was Kevin Costner, and it worked because I believed it" - Saul Goodman
this
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
although I would consider JVG
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
We should all be so lucky to go out on top.
Ah, who am I kidding? Don’t do it, Phil.
I'm here to talk about the past.
Byron all the way!
People are saying Shaw….I just don’t feel it. As a Laker fanatic, I don’t feel like he’s ready. I mean c’mon, can anyone see Kobe taking direction from Shaw??? Cuz I can’t! Now, Byron Scott we know Kobe respects as he was his rookie mentor in 1997. He took the Nets to two finals appearances and Hornets to the ’07 WCF. Shaw should stay on as to help Scott w/ the triangle and wait his turn. Just feel way more comfortable w/ B.Scott as the captain than an unproven rookie coach.
….BUT, PLEASE PHIL….LET’S GO 4 THAT 3PEAT!!!!
hornets never made to the wcf with scott that was the jazz in the WCF that year
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Do not make Brian Shaw mad..
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by bluexfalcon on Jun 23, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah I'm not feeling Shaw either
Too bad we couldnt get Tom T before he went to Chicago lol. Byron Scott is the best available.
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by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Byron just seems like a passive type of coach
something that you cant have with a team trying to repeat and with personalities like Kobe and Ron
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by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're referring to the 2008 Hornets team
They didn’t quite reach the WCFs, losing in seven games to the Spurs in the second round.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 23, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone needs to post
that photo of the time out where Scott’s standing there with his back to the huddle, and they’re all looking miserable and about to be sent fishin’ for the summer.
That’s why no one wants Scott.
by Benjamin Wang on Jun 23, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Shaw gets a lot of mentions, but what are the chances that Rambis comes back?
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Negative.
You may not agree, but it was reported that Kobe did not trust and did not want Rambis as the replacement back then, because it was assumed Phil would leave after the 10th trophy.
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Are you ready??? I want this guy:
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by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
the guy at the bottom of the pile lol
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by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
that would be funny
every kobe dunk u could hear him yellin it lol
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he'll prob yell "hand down, man down"
since kobe doesn’t dunk as much anymore
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lmfao almost didnt see him hahahahahahaha good one des
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I saw it immediately
I don’t care much about your negativity at times, but I’m in complete agreement with you here. ;-)
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LOL, I was like what guy until I scrolled down
LOL JVG
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I was considering Ammo as player/coach. That would solve lots of problems, namely needing to shell out big money for more players as Ammo is able to play the 2 and 3 positions… at the same time.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lolllllllll
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Great men are never without flaws, but neither are they without magnificent traits that caused them to rise to such heights.
In all seriousness, this is not good news.
Brian Shaw doesn’t inspire much confidence in me. At all. I don’t even have a rational reason for that kind of thinking. The problem is that there aren’t many candidates available. Avery Johnson, a personal favorite, is gone. Ugh.
did he break up with jeanie buss?
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dead bird = chance of repeating
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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 23, 2010 5:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
You know whats funny...
Everyone says how mediocre a coach PJ is and he wins cuz of the players he’s had ect. Now everyone says we cant repeat without him because he means so much. HUH???
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Mike Brown ??
how about Mike? give him another chance so in 4th quarter he can just like oh Kobe here is the ball run the offense
hahaha
Haha not funny
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rofl that looks kina like my old cat
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by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
*kinda
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
He's got a weird nose pattern
Like the triangle aiming laser that Predator used. Which makes me think of Chris Bosh… And I ramble.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 24, 2010 4:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Ughh..
So we could hear in the huddle:
“Guys, we need to play basketball. If we score more points, we’ll win.”
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
Would not be unprecedented, though it's a different sport that comes to mind when Phil says:
I think it’s actually easier to leave [a team that’s in position to win again]. I’d be happy if they could go on and win without me. I think they have enough leadership on the floor and in the coaching staff.
Bill Walsh gave way to George Seifert and the 49ers completely dominated the next season (especially in the playoffs) to repeat.
I am sure there are others, but I am too lazy tired to look. Neither of them include Dexter’s NBA examples above.
I'm here to talk about the past.
by 67MARQUEZ on Jun 23, 2010 6:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
good point
this does happen quite often in the NFL
Bill Cowher, Tony Dungy, Jimmy Johnson, Dick Vermeil
The problem we’re facing is that alot of coaches from the 80s and early 90s are no longer in the league, and they didn’t produce many proteges. But that was also an era where there was fewer assistants. I imagine in 10-15 years we will be discussing about NBA Head Coaching trees like they do the NFL.
The only question is… did Phil Jackson finally do enough in his last years to spawn successors to his triangle mentality (Brian Shaw?)
I know if I ever get into HC in HS or college, I’m implementing the triangle.
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Good article about Raja and Kobe's respect for eachother
http://arizona.sbnation.com/2010/6/23/1532338/kobe-bryant-raja-bell-phoenix-suns-los-angeles-lakers
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
Gotta love the oxymoron between the two frontpage posts today...
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."
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what's that mean lol
i heard it before but never knew wtf it meant
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by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
oxymoron?
Two things that are adjacent to each other with completely opposite meanings, such as ‘optimistic’ and ‘desecrator09’. :P
Or in this case, ‘the future is bright’ and ‘Phil Jackson is leaning towards retirement’.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 23, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you still kill me for that dayum lol
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by desecrator09 on Jun 23, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
get back at him
dumbass! lol!
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Oxymoron
the stuff idiots use to get that ugly green color out of their clothes.
by bigdeal1188 on Jun 23, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
WRONG
Oxymoron is the stuff that people take to kill pain.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Or...
maybe it was the stuff Rush Limbaugh got addicted to…
by bigdeal1188 on Jun 23, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I'm thinking Phil just wants to have some sort of leverage on Buss
Now that the Nets and Bulls have filled their respective coaching positions, he has no “Well, I could go to _”
PJ just wants some flexibility in his contract. Most likely dealing with a termination clause or something for next year.
Just my 2¢
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Lakers 2010 Champs.
If health is the main concern...
couldn’t Phil remain in L.A. and only coach all the home games during the reg season? Brian Shaw would coach all the road the games. during the playoffs, Phil would accompany the team on road games as well. This way, PJ has more time to rest while Brian Shaw gets plenty of experience as a head coach.
"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."
"Lets go for for it again"- Kobe Bryant, 2010 Championship ceremony.
Phil talked about doing this last year but Kupchak rejected the idea.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
the Black Mamba gives no quarter
especially not at Disney Land
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
well Doc Rivers would be a really good replacement
if Phil is leaving
Ugh, no
His raspy-ass voice would haunt me. Screw that.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
by 99bc99 on Jun 23, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
no thanks
you do not reward the enemy with a ring!
by lakers are trouble on Jun 24, 2010 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions
its time to re-initiate tinychat
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"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
lol the way you say makes it sound like a top secret program
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
hanging out at Celtics Blog too much in the Finals?
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/columns/story?id=5321004
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Great
here comes the Byron Scott love-fest.
/end sarcasm
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
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