Kobe Bryant's Game 7 in Perspective
Ladies and gentlemen, your Lakers are world champions once again, and Kobe Bryant is your Finals MVP. He was magnificent in this series, resplendent in this win. He epitomized the Lakers team that he led to victory. But your fearless leaders here at SS&R are no fools, and they can read the signs. They know that before going into hiding, the "haters" will take one final, last-ditch shot at tearing Kobe down and devaluing his performance in this game and this series, and so I have been asked to end that discussion before it starts. I can't say that I mind the assignment.
So let's go ahead and get the "but" on the table. Kobe Bryant is the 2010 Finals MVP, but the haters will point to this: In perhaps the biggest game of his career, he shot only 6-24 from the field, needing 24 shots to score his 23 points. They'll argue that he was inefficient, that his play hurt the Lakers more than it helped them (or something absurd along those lines), that he failed to rise to the occasion the way other greats like Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan did in the Finals, and perhaps even that Pau Gasol was better and more valuable to the Lakers.
Excuse me while I gargle. What complete and utter hogwash.
Poor Shooting vs. A Defensive Game for the Ages
Let's put that 6-24 into perspective, shall we?
In Game 7, Pau Gasol shot 6-16 (and was 3-12 at halftime). Ron Artest, the hero of the hour, was 7-18 from the field. Andrew Bynum played limited minutes, but at 1-5, he also struggled while he was on the court. Lamar Odom was 3-8. Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown and Sasha Vujacic combined to shoot 0-6. Only Derek Fisher, at 10 points on 4-6 from the field (and 2-2 from distance, including a huge three late in the game), had a good shooting night for the Lakers.
For the Celtics, Paul Pierce was 5-15 from the field. Rajon Rondo was 6-13, which was actually pretty decent in this game, but nothing amazing. Ray Allen was a dismal 3-14. Nate Robinson missed his only shot. Rasheed Wallace's percentage from the field isn't bad, especially considering he took four three-pointers, but the 11 shots he needed to score 11 points puts him about on par with Kobe with regards to offensive efficiency. Glen Davis was good, but his efficiency (4-6 from the field) didn't come in high enough volume (only six points in 21 minutes) to really have much impact for the Celtics. Only Kevin Garnett had "a good game" offensively for the Celtics, shooting well over fifty percent and scoring 18 points on only 13 shots.
The criticism of Kobe's offensive output in Game 7 is that he needed 24 shots to get his 23 points. However, the same is true of just about every player in this game. Virtually every player listed above took essentially as many shots as he had points. In fact, that is true of both teams overall: The Celtics took 71 shots to score 79 points (1.1 points per shot), while the Lakers took 83 shots to score their 83 points. At this point, here is the question that needs to be asked: Why are we holding Kobe Bryant to a different standard?
The point is that this game was characterized by truly incredible defense, from both teams. In fact, from a defensive standpoint, I don't believe I have ever seen anything that compares, or even comes close. Expecting a player to score every bit as efficiently against that Game 7 Celtics defense as he does against far inferior defenses is simply asinine. It's like expecting a cyclist to ride as quickly up the steep slopes of the Pyrenees mountains, and into the wind, as he does on flat land with the wind at his back. It's like expecting a swimmer to swim as quickly against the current of a raging Atlantic sea as he does in an indoor lap pool. It's like expecting a car to drive as quickly and handle as smoothly on sand as it does on asphalt. It's— well, you get the point. It's absurd.
Michael Jordan would have struggled to score against that Celtics defense. So would Magic Johnson, Jerry West, and Wilt Chamberlain. LeBron James did struggle against them. This was a Celtics team that played some of the best defense that anyone has ever seen, and in that Game 7, they took it to yet another level. Kobe wasn't the only player to struggle with his shot; in fact, if you remove his statistics from the Lakers' box score, the Lakers' shooting percentage is virtually unchanged. So let's not pretend that Kobe's shots were hurting the Lakers; the rest of the team was struggling just as much as he was.
Is 6-24 a pretty number? No. It certainly wasn't one of the greatest offensive performances of all time. But those interested in evaluating the game based on real insight, rather than nearly useless box score clichés, will recognize that 6-24 had fairly little to do with bad offense from Kobe, and a lot more to do with defense for the ages from the Celtics. And that defense affected everyone on the court for the Lakers (except, of course, for Derek Fisher), not just Kobe.
Boston's Defense in Perspective
To see the effects of Boston's defense, have a look at Pau Gasol, whom some advocated as the "real MVP" of this series. He shot .536 in the regular season and .565 in the playoffs before the Finals, but only .478 against Boston. That's a drop of .058 compared to the regular season, and .087 compared to the rest of the playoffs.
How about LeBron James? He shot .503 from the field in the regular season, and .567 in the playoffs prior to meeting Boston. Against the Celtics, however, he shot only .447. That's a .056 drop compared to the regular season, and a .120 drop compared to the rest of the playoffs.
Kobe Bryant shot .456 from the field in the regular season, and .483 in the playoffs prior to meeting Boston. Against the Celtics, he shot .405. Viewed alongside James and Gasol, Kobe's .051 drop in field goal percentage compared to the regular season, and .078 compared to the rest of the playoffs, actually seems quite normal. In fact, both Pau and LeBron suffered larger overall drops in shooting efficiency against the Celtics than did Kobe.
This is what the Celtics do. If you expect to score at an extremely efficient rate against them, you're going to be disappointed. Sometimes it seems like an accomplishment just to score against them at all. This is something we all immediately recognize... except when we're talking about Kobe Bryant. Perhaps it should be seen as a compliment to Bryant that he's expected to be immune to the defense that has had the same effect on everyone else. But isn't it interesting that so many of those who have for years proclaimed the box score to be inherently flawed can't seem to get past a single box score statistic in evaluating Kobe's Game 7 performance?
Putting History's Greatest Players in a Defensive Context
Let's try and place Boston's D within the larger context, shall we?
Michael Jordan appeared in six NBA Finals series. These are the defensive ratings (points allowed per 100 possessions) of those six teams: 105.0, 104.2, 106.7, 102.1, 104.0, and 105.4.
Magic Johnson appeared in nine NBA Finals series. These are the defensive ratings of those nine teams (Celtics teams in italics, teams that beat Magic's Lakers in bold): 101.0, 103.9, 100.9, 104.4, 106.3, 106.8, 105.3, 104.7, 105.2.
This year's Celtics team had a defensive rating of 103.8. That's better than five of the six defenses Jordan faced in the Finals; it's better than seven of the nine teams Magic faced in the Finals.
But even that is misleading, since even the dullest of NBA observers knows full well that the Celtics in 2009-10 regular season were nothing like the team that showed up for the playoffs — let alone the team that nearly won the NBA championship. During the regular season, this Celtics team employed a deliberate strategy of saving their best players for the post-season. As a result, over their final 54 games they were 27-27. Their defense in the regular season, after Christmas, was barely a shadow of the defense they played in the playoffs. In fact, it was actually quite bad.
Perhaps that is the most significant indicator in all of this. Their regular season defense, when compared to the way they played in the playoffs and especially the Finals, was really pretty terrible — and yet, it was better than that of 12 of the 15 teams Magic and Michael played in the Finals.
Meanwhile, the Celtics' defense in the 2010 Finals, particularly in that Game 7, was much more reminiscent of their team that won the 2008 NBA Championship. That team's defensive rating? 98.9.
Michael Jordan never played against that kind of defense in the Finals. And yet, in nine of the 35 games he played in the NBA Finals, he took more or less the same number of shots as he had points — including one in which he took 43 shots to score 44 points!
Very few NBA Finals game logs exist for Magic Johnson, but in the one season I could find, he had one game in which he took 13 shots to score 14 points against a Chicago defense that rated at 105.2 points allowed per possession. Despite never playing against a team with a defensive rating below 100 points per possession, we can safely assume that in eight other Finals appearances, Magic likely had a number of other games in which his offensive output resembled Kobe's in Game 7.
Neither Magic nor Michael ever faced a team in the Finals with a defensive rating below 100 points per possession. Kobe has done it twice. The first time was with a team of inexperienced players, most of whom had never been out of the first round; only Derek Fisher and Luke Walton had ever been to the Finals, and Luke Walton had been a rookie at the time, averaging only seven minutes per game. Pau Gasol had only been with the Lakers for three months.
The second time Kobe faced a defense of that caliber, he took those same players and beat it.
The Box Score and the Double Standard
Perhaps what irks me the most is the double standard critics continually employ to devalue Kobe Bryant's play. When he was younger, his critics devalued his play by claiming that he was "just a great scorer," and nothing more. This was, of course, not true; Kobe has virtually always led the Lakers in assists, has always rebounded well for a guard, and is one of the few players who is great on both ends of the floor. But his detractors recognized none of this; to them, he was "a great scorer," but nothing else. They painted him as one-dimensional and elevated over him other players whom they saw as doing more things than just scoring to help their team win.
In that context, perhaps you can understand how frustrating it is to hear people talking about Kobe Bryant having a bad, or even terrible game on the basis of one thing, and one thing only: his struggle to score. The reality is that Kobe did so much more than score in Game 7, and much of what he did contributed directly to the Lakers' victory.
Whatever It Takes
An MVP-caliber player is not necessarily the guy that scores a lot. An MVP is a player who does whatever is necessary for his team to win. Sometimes, as was the case in Game 6 of the WCF or in Game 5 of this series (even though it resulted in a loss), that means taking over and scoring lots of points. Sometimes, as was the case in most of the WCF, it means dishing out lots of assists.
Sometimes, it means grabbing rebounds and playing defense. That was the case in this series. In all seven games, the team that won the rebounding battle won the game. Every NBA observer in the world understood that the key to this game, not only for the Lakers but for both teams, was to rebound the ball. Pre-game articles and studio crews hammered that point into the ground. By the time the game started, it almost seemed as though nothing else even mattered.
In that context, Kobe Bryant grabbed 15 rebounds. That's more than Ron Artest and Andrew Bynum, combined. Or Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum. Or Lamar Odom and Ron Artest. It's more than Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, combined. It's more than Big Baby and Kevin Garnett, combined. In fact, it's five times as many rebounds as Garnett, and three times as many as Artest or Bynum, and twice as many as Odom or Wallace. I could go on, but you get the idea. The only player that out-rebounded Kobe Bryant was Pau Gasol — and despite playing under the rim and towering over Kobe, Gasol's 18 rebounds barely outpaced Bryant's 15.
Together, Kobe and Pau out-rebounded the Celtics' starting five, 33-31.
The Lakers won this game not because of Ron Artest's second quarter scoring or Pau Gasol's second half shooting. They won this game by out-rebounding the Celtics, and while Pau Gasol's 18 rebounds should absolutely not be undervalued, they were not necessarily uncharacteristic; after all, he averaged 14.5 rebounds in the conference semifinals. It was Kobe's truly remarkable rebounding that set the tone for the Lakers and led them to a 53-40 rebounding advantage that decided the game.
When they weren't dominating the Celtics on the boards, the Lakers were suffocating the Celtics on the defensive end. In the pivotal third quarter stretch, the Lakers held the Celtics to only 17 points, while cutting a 13-point lead to four. In the entire second half, Bryant held Rajon Rondo to eight points on 3-7 shooting, five assists, and three rebounds.
Finally, in the final period, Kobe Bryant took control of the game by being aggressive, getting the Celtics into foul trouble, and getting to the line. While he missed all but one of his shots, he got to the line nine times, hitting eight shots. Those who have emphasized the 24 shots Bryant needed to scored 23 points may want to pay attention to the work he did in the fourth quarter, where he scored 10 points on only four shots. Forget the final game — in the final quarter of this series, Kobe Bryant took control and dominated.
In a post-game interview, Kobe was asked what his mindset was in the game, in light of his poor shooting, and what he did to still put his imprint on the game. His response effectively sums up the effort to lead his team to a repeat championship:
"Two things. Get to the free throw line; I got to attack. My jumper's not falling, I got to figure out some gaps, which is tough to do against this team. They do a great job shrinking the floor. So I had to get to the free throw line, and I had to rebound the ball. You know, rebounding has won every single game in this series, and I had to make sure I got my little behind on there."
Commentators often speak of great players doing whatever they can to help their team, when their shot isn't falling. You know what I'm talking about — in your best Mark Jackson voice, say it along with me: "His shot isn't falling, but he's doing other things to impact them game!" Why is it, then, that no one seems willing to point out the many ways Kobe did just that in Game 7?
Do they think it's coincidence that in a series so clearly influenced by rebounding, in the final game for all the marbles, a 200-pound guard of average size, with old knees and waning athleticism, just happens to pull down 15 rebounds?
The Bottom Line
No one is saying Kobe didn't struggle to score in Game 7 — at least, through the first three quarters. What we're saying is that even the greatest of the greats would have struggled against Boston's defense, as have all who have faced it. They can say that Michael or Magic wouldn't have struggled so much in a Finals Game 7, but neither of them faced a defense like this one. Jordan, meanwhile, never played in a seventh game in the Finals, so we'll never know what he would have done in such a game. Knowing MJ, he likely would have tried to take over the game himself, much as Kobe did — and against this Boston defense, the result likely would have been pretty similar.
Some have said, at various points throughout the series, that Pau Gasol was the Lakers' MVP of the Finals. After the game, one of my friends said to me, "Kobe is the MVP of the entire series, but if it were based on a single game, Pau Gasol or Ron Artest would be the MVP of Game 7."
It is true that Ron Artest was huge for the Lakers, particularly in the second period, when the rest of the team struggled. Without his second quarter offense, or his defense throughout the game, the Lakers' comeback would have been impossible. For that, he would be deserving Game 7 MVP. At the same time, however, it was Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol who dominated the rebounding game, and it was Kobe and Pau who attacked the Celtics in the fourth quarter, putting the Celtics in the penalty early and getting to the line a combined 18 times in the period.
In fact, Gasol and Bryant had nearly mirror image games from start to finish. Both shot poorly in the game; at halftime, Gasol was 3-12 and Bryant was 3-14. Both players dominated the glass, pulling down 18 and 15 rebounds, respectively. Specifically, both players had eight rebounds in the second half. Finally, both players got to the line 11 times in the second half, including nine each in the fourth quarter. Gasol was better from the field in the second half, going 3-4 to Kobe's 3-10; Bryant was better from the line, going 10-11 to Gasol's 7-11.
But the offense doesn't run through Ron Artest or Pau Gasol; it runs through Kobe Bryant, and so the responsibility falls on him. As Doc Rivers said after Game 3, another game in which Kobe struggled with his shot:
"He struggled from the field, but he did make a lot of plays. I think people fail to realize the reason a lot of the other guys are open is because Kobe Bryant is on the floor."
It was Kobe who drew double and triple teams, leaving other players open two and three passes down the line. And in that critical final frame, he showed once again that the fourth quarter belongs to Kobe Bryant, as he scored 10 points on only four field goal attempts.
At the end of the day, it wasn't Kobe's best game. But he was better than Paul Pierce and Rajon Rondo, better than Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. He was as good as Ron Artest and Pau Gasol, and the three of them fought and struggled their way, in a manner both ugly and beautiful, to lead the Lakers to victory.
Rebounding won the series, and Kobe Bryant averaged 8.0 rebounds per game in the Finals — more than any Celtics, and second only to Pau Gasol. Game 7 wasn't the best game of his career, but he pulled down 15 rebounds and dominated the fourth quarter, leading the Lakers to victory. I'd say it was still pretty good.
If I had to pick an MVP for Game 7, I don't know what I'd do. The Lakers couldn't have won without Artest's defense, or his second quarter offense, but neither could they have survived the fourth quarter without either half of their one-two punch. Fittingly for this particular game, all three struggled, and yet all three led their team to victory despite their struggles.
Merely Mortal
I'll leave you with this thought (I know what you're thinking: "Finally!"): Kobe's post-game press conference after Game 7 was the most honest, open, and transparent that we've ever seen him. As our own C.A. Clark already pointed out, he was more vulnerable than we've ever seen with this quote:
You know, I just wanted it so bad. I wanted it so, so bad. Plus, I was on [Empty]. Man, I was really, really tried. And the more I tried to push, the more it kept getting away from me.
As Ron Artest said in his post-game presser, Kobe was just trying to win. And you know what? At the end of the day, even Kobe Bryant is a human being. Even Kobe Bryant can become overwhelmed by the moment, and even Kobe can have a bad shooting night. Guess what? It's happened to all the great players who came before him, and it will happen to all those who come after him.
If you can't afford him his humanity, you don't deserve to watch this great sport.
But like C.A. said, though the moment overwhelmed him briefly, he responded with the heart of a champion, controlled the game by rebounding the ball, attacking the Celtics' defense, and getting to the free throw line in the fourth quarter, and led his team to victory. In a world that has yet to succumb to being overrun by machines and robots... what more can you ask for? After this game, Kobe's dad said it best: "When you don’t have your game and you find a way, that’s a champion."
Shouldn't we celebrating and marveling at what Kobe was able to do to overcome his his shooting woes, rather than picking holes in a game that was, ultimately, worthy of a champion?
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Great article
Anybody know where I can catch the parade streaming online? No Laker love in Sactown.
it will be probably be available at atdhe
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
From lakers.com
http://www.nba.com/lakers/multimedia/2010_parade_stream.html
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
nice to see you around here josh, nice article
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
Best line from the article:
If you can’t afford him his humanity, you don’t deserve to watch this great sport.
I am just really really glad they won
This assignment would have been 100x more difficult if the Lakers had lost the game.
But they did win, and you can’t argue with the results.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Yes and no.
Since there was a lot of talk about Kobe getting the MVP in a losing cause. Though I guess they would have picked a Celtic name from a hat after Kobe’s Game 7 performance.
Kobe is hated for a few reasons that have nothing to do with basketball performance, so all the analysis and data in the world isn’t going to change that. Not that we don’t appreciate the effort, Josh. ;-)
I'm here to talk about the past.
Not to nitpick, but...
Meanwhile, the Celtics’ defense in the 2010 Finals, particularly in that Game 7, was much more reminiscent of their team that won the 2008 NBA Championship. That team’s offensive rating? 98.9.
Think you mean defensive rating?
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Oh, nice catch... fixing...
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Great article btw
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 21, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
The Dons of LA
As Pat Riley said in “Show Time”, it takes a “Superior Effort” to defend ones championship and repeat. The Lakers as a
team did that, and now have a chance at another elusive 3peat. If Bynum shows the stones and heart that he did throughout
the playoffs— the Lakers will succeed in accomplishing that goal in 2011. Thanks for the ride.
Veniunt, Vedemmo, Viceramus (They came, we saw, we CONQUERED).
Spot on with Bynum
Worst thing would be if LA traded him… as some are calling for him to be.
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by With Malice on Jun 21, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Great article! Hope the haters realize this.
WE ARE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion." -- Rudy Tomjanovich
Let's not forget Kobe and the Lakeshow won with a slew of injuries hampering them
And they never used that card as an excuse. They found a way to persevere through it all and that’s why they’re the CHAMPS again!
Awesome write-up, my favorite part was
In that context, Kobe Bryant grabbed 15 rebounds. That’s more than Ron Artest and Andrew Bynum, combined. Or Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum. Or Lamar Odom and Ron Artest. It’s more than Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen, combined. It’s more than Big Baby and Kevin Garnett, combined. In fact, it’s five times as many rebounds as Garnett, and three times as many as Artest or Bynum, and twice as many as Odom or Wallace.
"I’m like a superhero. Call me Basketball Man." - LBJ
15 more than Lebron James
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
In the immortal words of Al Davis: "Just Win Baby!"
As a native of NJ, I have been watching and (one time playing against in high school) Kobe since 1993, and I must say I have never seen himso ferocious on the boards. It seemed like every time a Boston shot went up, there was Kobe ripping down the board. And I do mean “ripping.” He wasn’t just getting random rebounds due to good bounces. He got up and got those boards. Yes, he shot poorly, but i must say I think the elbow jumper he hit mid-way through the fourth quarter was actually the most important part of the game. His teammates seemed to feed off of that big time and the fans could sense victory was ours once Kobe did his thing. It’s amazing how one guy completely drives the collective team’s desire to win. For that alone, he is the best I have ever seen.
by 16 Rings on Jun 21, 2010 9:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
you really played against kobe in highschool?
damn that is crazy
by lakers are trouble on Jun 22, 2010 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
also the refs
let boston turn the game into a wrestling match! game six proved to the celtics they couldn’t run with the Lake Show so they mugged held pushed and shoved the Lakers to the free throw line. Ray Allen fouled Kobe every time he had the ball!
I believe if his teammates were hitting their shots? Kobe would have passed more and gotten 15 assist to go with his boards… let the haters hate! Lake Show goes back 2 back…
"Success is never final, Failure is never fatal. It's Courage that count's"
John Wooden.....
absolutely briliant article
You guys should be the ones posting all the analysis articles on ESPN and nba.com rather than wackos like Hollinger and Abbot. You guys kick so much ass
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
lol, nice to see you
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
You're back!?
Guess we can pull the missing person alert.
=)
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
by bluexfalcon on Jun 21, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Im like a bad penny, I always turn up

Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on Jun 21, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
here's the "BUT"
Kobe over drippled, tried too hard and took fade away jumpers against double and triple teams(Phil even said that he was trying too hard). for me it wasnt about the point to shot ratio so much as this game setup Kobe up to get a triple double and have 10+ assists and he failed miserably(had he had like 14 points, 12rebs and 11assts, this game would have been a blowout and he easily would be considered one of the alltime greats), the Lakers won game 7 despite Kobe and almost lost it because of him. AND YES, Magic Man and his Airness would have had a much better game 7 than Kobe did. Would the Lakers even be in that situation w/out him, of course not. BUT, the title of your article is “Kobe Bryant’s Game 7 in Perspective” not " what led the lakers to game 7" this game made sure that he is barely a top 20 player all-time, Not bad all things considered
i dont even know what to say
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
Did you mean to type "I'm a butt"?
here’s the “BUT”
And I think we have Nostradamus in our midst..
AND YES, Magic Man and his Airness would have had a much better game 7 than Kobe did.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
somebody get this
P.O.S. troll off here.
Here's what you say:
Who won the game, apad?
I’ll tell you who. Actually, Kelly Dwyer, well known for being critical of Kobe whenever he can find a chance, will tell you who:
Blame him for that line, but don’t go too far with it. Despite Kobe’s dour public playoffs persona, he’s a glass half-full kind of guy. Why else would he refuse to remember all the bad misses from long range, those contested clangs, and only remember the makes? Choosing one positive mental image over a negative one, even if the negatives hit a whole lot more often than the positive ones, is what keeps him going.
So I’m not going to kill him for having all of these bad shots miss all at once. Sometimes he gets hot, and most of the bad ones go in. Usually a few toss in, even if they shouldn’t, but that wasn’t the case in Game 7. And it almost cost Los Angeles the title.
Here’s what won them the title, though. Eight free throws, from Kobe, in the fourth quarter. A game shifting three-point play, points all taken at the line, and a momentum-shifting line drive jumper just a minute later (his lone make in the fourth quarter). Fifteen rebounds, 11 on the defensive end, starting semi-breaks all game. Standout defense.
And that leadership; because even if his teammates are beyond sick of Kobe’s perpetual scowl (and believe me, they are), these Laker teammates wanted badly to do right by Kobe in this series. They really wanted to make him happy.
Who cares about the first three quarters of shooting? Kobe dominated the fourth, and that won the game. He dominated the boards, and that won the game. He led a defensive effort the likes of which I’ve never seen from the Purple and Gold, and that won the game.
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by Josh Tucker on Jun 21, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
{opens mouth to say something}
{can’t think of anything}
{and still manages to say more}
I'm here to talk about the past.
Even the haters disagree with you....
http://www.atthehive.com/2010/6/19/1526339/staturday-where-does-kobe-bryant?ref=yahoo#40154157
And they have sound reasoning, even if I disagree with their comments.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 22, 2010 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Troll joined SSR just for this....
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 22, 2010 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions
another excellent source to blast at some of my friends who bash on kobe's game 7 performance
you always hit the spot in showing how ignorant the haters are and how narrow-minded they can be.
"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.
What's endearing about game 7 is as a team the Lakers found a way to win with grit and determination
An NBA finals game 7 is a rare thing and they’re hardly ever blowouts. What’s special about this one is the Lakers won as a team. Kobe showed he was mortal/human and admitted as such in the post game. He found a way to help his team win despite being dog-tired, anxious, having a banged up finger/s, knee and ankle. Greatness is sometimes defined as rising above adversity and overcoming all obstacles. Isn’t being vulnerable and still coming out on top not praiseworthy?

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by With Malice on Jun 21, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
noice
I like!!
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
by bluexfalcon on Jun 21, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup... they're available now at Nike...
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
by With Malice on Jun 21, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
backordered yet?
If not, I’m gonna snatch me one!
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
by bluexfalcon on Jun 21, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too...
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
by With Malice on Jun 21, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Where do they ship from?
LOL, you’re gonna have to wait a while since you’re an international order right?
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
by bluexfalcon on Jun 21, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll probably order mine from the US...
It’ll take about a week?
Today I’m wearing this t-shirt:

It took a bit over a week to get here?
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
by With Malice on Jun 21, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, major coincidence.
I wore this today:

btw, if you have some time, come join us here: http://www.tinychat.com/silverscreenandroll
(the threads are a little slow tonight)
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
by bluexfalcon on Jun 21, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
This shirt is very Fletch.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 22, 2010 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Aaaah... I guess you guys are done now.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Thanks to the people who provided the links to the parade!
I’ll just add this one to the list
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/livenow?id=7507314
The difference between MJ and Kobe
Which you fail to mention here is the Jordan never needed 7 games to win the Finals. He always closed it out in 6 or fewer. So to say Jordan would have played similarly to Kobe isn’t true. We’ll never know because Jordan never needed 7 games.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m a big Kobe fan, but the truth is he is not Michael Jordan. And that’s a fact.
Congrats on your Championship, you deserved it LA!
Let's cut through the crap, Vaughn. I only got one thing to say to you: "Strike this mother f*cker out."
Again
Jordan never played against a defense that allowed even fewer than 102 points per game — let alone 98.
Last year, against a team that allowed only 101.9 points per game — that’s a better defense than any Jordan faced in the Finals, ever — Kobe’s Lakers won it in 5 games. The only team against whom Jordan won it in 5 games was the 1990-91 Lakers, who allowed 105.0 points per game.
See how this can go round and round?
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by Josh Tucker on Jun 21, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair
Offensive numbers and the number of possessions have been on the way down for a while so points per game is a misleading stat. I think points per possession allowed provides greater truth.
I do think this Boston team had the best defense we’ve probably ever seen.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 21, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, my mistake
I meant “points per 100 possessions”. That’s what the numbers quoted above are. I just used the wrong term.
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This is silly.
Jordan never played a team as good as the Celtics in the finals. Jordan never took Smush Parker and Kwame Brown into the playoffs. Jordan never had the weight of one of the greatest NBA franchises riding on his shoulders.
Jordan was definitely great. Some people are arguing Kobe’s even greater. Kobe’s not even done yet.
by Benjamin Wang on Jun 21, 2010 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Michael Jordan is not Kobe Bryant. That too, is a fact.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
I'm so sick of hearing about Jordan
People make this facile analogies and try to portray them as objective truth that can be used to compare the two. It’s infuriating.
…And Kobe never had Scottie Pippen to read the defense, figure out what to do with the ball, to guard the other team’s best perimeter player and who was the best defensive player of a generation.
Jordan NEVER experienced the pressure that Kobe did leading a team, in a most historic rivalry, in a game 7, at the other team’s tempo, with his shot not falling either. Maybe Jordan would have scored 55 points again and the Lakers would have lost?
We’ll never know, but even your immortal, perfect caricature Jordan might have cracked under these circumstances.
Stupid.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 21, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
'Jordan' never needed 7 Games?
It’s a team game, hombre. People talk about Kobe’s supporting cast, but look at what a Pippen-led Bulls squad did in 94 and 95…
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 22, 2010 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
of course he's not michael jordan
he’s KOBE FUCKIN BRYANT
by lakers are trouble on Jun 22, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
GREEN IT
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 22, 2010 3:04 AM PDT up reply actions
REC and Thank You Josh
You broke it down man, thats what I’ve been saying to my freaking co-workers, it wasn’t pretty but they got the WIN most importantly got #16. Imma print this and hand it out to my co-workers, stop the hate please, most of all stop the comparisions, Kobe is Kobe, MJ is MJ and Magic is Magic, all played at different times with different teams and teammates it impossible to lump them all in one boat, great way above was through stats as you did above Josh but comparing different players on different teams in different eras is just no need to start comparing bottom line, I wish people would just leave it at that and give each man their credit and Kobe is MVP all day.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Awesome article as usual Josh!
I would hate to see this happen but Josh you should go to ESPN and be the Anti-Simmons. The smart one for that matter.Where he only speculates and uses theories and opinions you on the other hand bust out facts and logic to back up your statements.
Some interesting thoughts on Kobe vs. Lebron in the finals
In a “what-if” situation. Who would be better vs. the Celtics?
Take a read:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6618
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Fantastic article.
Seriously, you guys are hooked on some “write compelling sh!t” drug.
Thanks. This gives me a quick cheat sheet in preparation for the Bill Simmons article that is surely to drop sometime soon.
GO LAKERS!!! LONG LIVE KOBE!
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
" 'So what if I hit the wall?"
(Reporter): 'Why?'
'Because I'll run right through it."
-Kobe Bryant
it wasn’t just poor shooting, kobe simply looked unkobe for most of the game. there was a difference in the way he handled the ball, and he rushed and forced things. i personally think the pressure got to him. but whatever. he worked his ass on defense, got to the line, and crashed the boards. more importantly, he helped our team win. and winning is all the matters. he’s got 5 rings and that’s that….as for jordan…kobe will never be like jordan. that man is on a level all by himself. but kobe has been the best player to lace them up since michael. fortunately for us fans, he still has a lot left in tank. finally, i don’t think jordan ever faced a defense as good as the celts of 2008 or 2010.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
True
I read a Fisher quote recently, in a Woj article, that better explained what was happening with Kobe. Rushing is really where the problem was. He was going too fast. He was setting up things he usually gets, but he was going before it was fully set up. Here’s the quote:
Derek Fisher knows Bryant the best, and he’s the Laker who can talk to him. He listens. He could see Bryant playing too fast, too eager, too desperate. "He was seeing things that he wanted to do, but it was like he was a step-and-a-half too quick to get there," Fisher noticed. "He’s so good at footwork and setting guys up and getting guys leaning one way and spinning out and going the other way. He was going too fast before the guys could even go for the move.
"He just had to slow himself down."
Bryant stopped shooting contested shots and let the Lakers begin to breathe on offense. He started grabbing rebounds and getting to the free-throw line. This game had been a pure tractor pull, the most beautiful ugly game you’ll ever witness. Bryant stopped shooting that pretty jumper and started bulling his way to the rim. Fisher caught the Celtics with a 3-pointer to make it 64-64 with a little more than six minutes left, and finally Bryant made a deliberate, sure move on Ray Allen(notes) at the free-throw line. Kobe caught Allen with a crossover dribble, let Allen lunge left as he dribbled right, rose up and hit his only shot of the final quarter. It pushed the Lakers to a 68-64 lead. Despite the Celtics coming and coming, and coming, Los Angeles never trailed again. Bryant shot nine free throws in the fourth quarter and eight dropped into the basket.
I would have mentioned this more, but the truth is this post was already way long. So I went with the over-simplified idea of “poor shooting”. The more important point was that, regardless of the reasons for his offensive struggles, he found other ways to win the game, just as you said.
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agreed about Kobe and Jordan
Kobe was clearly out of sorts and made some terrible decisions that are uncharacteristic of him. It wasn’t just bad shooting. He looked like he might poke a whole in the ship and sink the whole team with him. Then, he fixed it and gutted out the toughest win I’ve ever seen.
Jordan had the benefit of league icon status and got better calls. Jordan also benefited from some of the rule changes that affected Kobe. On the perimeter, no hand checking in 1993, no forearm contact in 1997. Jordan did not have the deal with the return of zone defenses in 2002. The return of zone defenses made it much easier to double or triple team players, screw with the operation in space and force them into either impossible shots or to get the ball out of their hands.
Even still, Jordan is better. But, Kobe’s career isn’t over.
If Kobe gets 8 ’ships, 5 total finals mvps, another regular season MVP, a defensive player of the year award and still has similar performances in the playoffs and All-Star/All-NBA/All-NBA Defensive honors, it will be hard to say he might not be better than Jordan.
And then Mark Jackson, of all people, may be proven right.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 21, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
t-mac to the lakers???
"When I dunk, I put something on it. I want the ball to hit the floor before I do."
-Darryl Dawkins
if he's interested in joining the bench I say go for it
but would I add T-mac to these Lakers? NO
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Eh, i dunno if I'm diggin that
Only if he shows that he can still shoot and slash at least half as well as he used to. We need to get a little younger/athletic than bring in veteran experience. Most of all we need a PG like Steve Blake most and I think he should be our first target.
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on Jun 21, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
for veteran's minimum with a second year opt out, sure
Otherwise, not sure I’d want him. I don’t feel investing heavily in the guy is a good idea at this point. Too much risk, too much chance of disruption/poor fit.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 21, 2010 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
As expressed by one high-ranked official within the Lakers’ management, should Tracy McGrady not return to the New York Knicks next season or spurn retirement, “expect the deal to get done by end of July.”
wow. sounds close to a sure thing….?
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
Nothing on bleacher report is ever close to a sure thing
Until you start hearing it from more reliable sources, just pass on thinking about this.
yeah
I took some of Kobe, Farmar, Artest, Sasha and I also got Magic, Kareem, and a blurry picture of AC Green…
Oh and I think I took a picture of vic the brick but Im not sure.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
heres one of them

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Jun 21, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good lord, Vanessa
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gil Meriken on Jun 21, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know man
Those things were the first thing that I caught, not Kobe.
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on Jun 21, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, I missed Kobe in this pic.
I had to look again to find him.
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
LOL! Close your mouth. You're drooling all over SS&R.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
LOL you never took that haha
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on Jun 21, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
is there a zoomed version!?
"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant
I wanna see Kobe's T-shirt more clearly man
"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant
The shirt looks pretty awesome

Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
by bluexfalcon on Jun 21, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you weren't sure, then it probably wasn't Vic the Brick
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it might be
I’ll show you a pic later. He had the clothing, beard, and and also had the jewish accent…no joke
A bunch of people were taking pictures with him.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
lol I saw Vic the Brick there on the live feed I was watching! ahaha
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
You mean the New York accent? What exactly is a jewish accent?
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
if you want
I will put together a fanpost recapping some of my pics.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Hold off
We have an SSR official post like that coming, and you’ll be encouraged to contribute to that.
oops, I just read your comment and I made a FanPost where people could put their pics
I’m gonna go delete it now :)
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
Perfect.
If you are one to kill Kobe for his Game 7 performance, said performance being absolutely crucial to defeating the BOSTON CELTICS for a 16th championship, again, in a brutal, brutal defensive GAME 7 crucible. . .
GO FOLLOW THE CLIPPERS.
.
so i had a doctors appointment today out in west LA
and while i was driving back on the 105 there was a ton of traffic. I was approaching the metro station past the 110 when i started to hear honking and shouting. It turned out the traffic was caused by a ton of Laker fans coming back from the parade on the platform screaming and waving and people in their cars stopping honking back. It felt really cool…like the city was all together for this one thing and its all because of the Lakers.
This foo Ty Lawson lmao
NBA Star — I’ll Hump Kim K for a Championship!
Originally posted 13 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
We’ve been saying it for months — but now an NBA star has finally recognized that hooking up with a Kardashian leads to championships … and NBA star Ty Lawson wants to take one for the team.
0621_Tlawson_getty_bn
The Denver Nuggets superstar rookie went to his Twitter page today and posted the following message, “I heard if u hit a kardashian i win a championship .. Kim k holla me!!! I need ya for 17 min.”
Lawson continued, “I’ll take one for the team lol … If miles Austin miles or wateva his name is win a chip next ye … Then thing is amazing.”
As TMZ previously reported, the Kardashians are 2-for-2 in the last year — with Reggie Bush winning a Super Bowl and Khloe’s man Lamar Odom locking up an NBA title.
Now, with Kim dating NFL wide receiver Miles Austin — the smart money is on the Dallas Cowboys to take it all next season.
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
hahah
But am I the only one that takes Kourtney over Kim?…
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
no, you are not.
Kourtney is the hottest one, by far.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
"When life slips you a Jeffrey, stroke the furry walls." - Aldous Snow
rofl
"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant
rofl
"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant
No wonder he's single.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
I like better single
Than cheating on his wife (unless they have an explicit arrangement where it’s okay).
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 21, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Thats messed up
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Don't know if you're serious, but I thought the same thing, seriously.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
If he's got that attitude towards women, I highly doubt he's been experienced enough to last 17 minutes...
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 22, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Just got back from the parade.
Kobe was hoisting the trophy right as he drove by us! Was awesome. Hopefully my friend got some good pictures I’ll post em when she uploads.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Rec'rs gotta Rec
"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant
Great post! Thanks for putting the defense in perspctive
in regards to Kobe’s struggles. So many are so eager to find ways to devalue Kobe’s performances. Give it a rest people.
Also, you mentioned Jordan’s opponents. The team that was below 103 was the Sonics correct? Jordan had 2 shooting percentage performances against them that were similar to Kobe’s in Game 7.
People will hate, but we will always know the real deal and it’s not Evander Holyfield. It is Kobe Bryant.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
Also, I think the biggest thing I took away from this post was
There is no defense for Derek Fisher’s intangibles!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
I think the fact that the anti-Kobe crowd has to work so desparately to come up
with (oft-ridiculous) ways to discount him speaks higher volumes than the concrete proof that supports him.
Not to impune your work, Josh.
I'm here to talk about the past.
ALRIGHT PPLS
This is bluexfalcon’s idea, but get onto http://tinychat.com/silverscreenandroll .
There we can talk as like a chat room.

He says “MOVE IT”
It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
need moar people
"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant
Wilbon is a raging idiot
He was on the Tony kornheiser show this morning here on our local sports radio station (980) and I have basically written him off totally. His outright hate for Kobe and the lakers is obvious, but to the degree which he is going to go and discredit Kobe and the laker organization as a whole smacks of outright hatred. We’ve all heard how he feels, but to call out the laker fans for standing and cheering their team to victory is just stupid. He basically is not willing to even go into a civilized discussion regarding his stance with a laker fan. I used to like him back when he wrote for the Wash Post back in the day, but he is just a bitter sports writer who will write/say anything to stir up conversation and make news.
The entire argument of Kobe vs magic vs jordan is stupid. Three different players in three distinct eras. I think it’s a judgement call either way, but for wilbon to try and twist peoples arms into discrediting what Kobe has done is just plain poor, biased journalism.
by lakers_fan_in_MD on Jun 21, 2010 5:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Basically
He is taking a dump on all laker fans for being homers and calling Kobe great. He went so far as to call the staples croud in game 7 a bunch of raving lunatics the likes of college sports fans. A complement in my book, but spun negatively by him.
If this was the 90s when his bulls were winning, I wonder how much he’d praise the fans.
by lakers_fan_in_MD on Jun 21, 2010 5:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lol what douche
sounds like one of those dickhead bulls fans on the web that need to talk shit about the Lakers and Kobe since their era has come and gone.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Yea, he is showing his true colors. Laker hater, Kobe hater.
Wondahbap has been talking about him on Twitter as well.
Wilbon is a joke.
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
The audio for the show today...
http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=65&c=580&f=51978
June 21 2010 The Tony Kornheiser Show Part 2 he starts in at the 36:50 mark
by lakers_fan_in_MD on Jun 21, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
EDIT
Audio starts like 2minutes in… -36:50…
by lakers_fan_in_MD on Jun 21, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
If Kobe wins one more title he ties MJ. That’s pretty incredible
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
shhhhh
People don’t want to here any of that! It’s taboo!
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
Speaking of MJ...
Anyone interested in a MJ All-Purpose Thread? Not to bash or exalt him, but rather to break down our thoughts on greatness?
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
this is interesting
someone sent it to me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90JhCfhk4q8
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
This is awesome.
But haters still gonna hate.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
I find it interesting that Boston fans don't trot out this info and say Michael Jordan is no Larry Bird.
Curious.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
All I saw was a bunch of text and numbers
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
That's all there is, lots of stats, Bird vs. Jordan.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
I got a video.
Actually, its a Rod Benson video.
Pretty funny and it’s a Kobe vs MJ talk that gets pretty animated. My kind of argument =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YvqP_SvZ0Y
Queensbridge. Littlerock. 16.
Lakers 2010 Champs.
I've seen that before, fun discussion.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
I was thinking of doing a series of posts comparing
the difference in eras, skills, rules, and styles between Jordan and Kobe. Got a break between classes where I could do that.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
I think it'd be fun in general, because everyone's measuring stick is has different criteria...
some are all about championships, others are big on scoring, or PER or team mates. I’d like to have this discussion amongst people I trust who won’t bring out the troll remarks when they find out I’m a Lakers fan. I think there are plenty of objective and well versed guys and gals in our group to make it good.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
Yeah I think we should
I’d then just post what my thoughts are after my research is done and see where everyone is at
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
Finally
Someone put into words every single point I wanted to make. It was amazing how nobody else pointed out that Kobe dominated in the single stat that everyone said was going to be the deciding factor in this game.
Also, I wouldn’t get too bent out of shape about what the old time media people who were covering the NBA in the 80’s and during Michael have to say about Kobe or anyone in this era. Their opinions are clearly biased and won’t matter in the long run because in the end all of the great players will just be great. Is anyone feverishly comparing Magic, Michael, Bird, Oscar, etc. anymore?
Josh - Magic Johnson Finals Box Scores
http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/home.htm has box scores from Finals back to 1966!
Of particular interest when talking to Celtics fans – check out Larry Bird’s line in his only career FInals game 7:
http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1984.htm
6-18 shooting, 20 points, 12 rebounds. Sounds a tad familiar.
Also
Did anyone know that the Celtics shot 51 FTs to 28 for LA in that game 7? Or that the Lakers lost a critical piece of their team (Bob McAdoo who had been their sixth man and scoring spark off the bench) in the game 6 of that series?
Food for thought for Celtics fans.
by stevewarmerdam on Jun 22, 2010 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions
WOW
Great finds! I’m driving to Texas today, but maybe tomorrow I’ll get in there and update this post. Thanks for the info!
Very interesting indeed, regarding that Game 7 for Larry & the Lakers…
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Very nice article.
I am an older dude so I quickly tire of the GOAT arguments. There is really no objective way to compare era’s and players. How’d you like to factor in the racial discrimination someone like Jackie Robinson or Satchell Paige or Hank Aaron went through in baseball and how it affected their ultimate stat line? It’s ridiculous. I just enjoy MJ, Magic, Wilt, Bird, Russell,Cousy,Akeem, West, Baylor, and many others for what they were and are. Uniquely gifted players who each brought something unique to the game. I loved Wes Unseld and don’t believe there every will be someone with his size and skill set again in the league. Too many people waste time arguing and not enough time enjoying.
sigh...
it makes no sense to me at all how people call MJ the GREATEST to every play the game when not once did he play at the 5 like Magic. Call him the greatest guard but the man was limited compared to the likes of Magic.
I swear the logic of GOAT to a 5 position game is just retarded, unless MJ played all 5 spots at the level he played SG he cant be the greatest to ever play the game.
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Kobe in history
Magic was limited as a shooter, but he, Bird, MJ, and all of the true greats played great in the Finals more often than not. All of us Laker fans love Kobe, but lets be honest, he isn’t even close to the greatest Laker ever. Anyone over 30 should know this, I understand the younger folks believing the hype. Kobe is a great talent, but in 7 NBA Finals, he is shooting 41.6% and has only shot over 43% once. Thats not great no matter how you spin it. James Worthy was a much better Finals player. The fact that Kobe almost always underperforms in the Finals keeps him below the other greats. Gasol was the most consistent player in this series just like in 2008, but if the Lakers lost Gasol would have been blamed even though Gasol was the better player in 08 as well. Once again if Kobe is an alltime great then he should perform like it more often than not. All of those bad shots when we had a huge advantage inside, especially with Perkins out almost shot us out of the game and the series, just like in 08 and vs the Pistons. We got lucky this year. 2 questionable Finals MVP’s don’t change a thing. Someone tell me an alltime great that played in multiple Finals who shot this poorly…
You forgot to add "in my opinion" because that's all this is, your opinion.
Some people agree with you, others don’t.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
I've got at least 1000 words worth of counterpoints to make.
But this guy smells of hit-and-run troll, so screw it.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
A wise man, you are.
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Well, I back it up with facts, just because some of us are delusional I can’t help that. The FACT is that the other all-time greats played better in the Finals…
"Reply" is your friend.
The FACT is also that you are still stating your opinion that Kobe “is not even close to the greatest Laker ever.” Magic disagrees with you, so the FACT is that you are one of many who think it’s true, but there are others who do not.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Magic
What do you expect Magic to say? Of course he is gonna say that, How old are you? Very naive. The numbers speak for themselves, so whatever “opinion” anyone has those cannot be disputed. If you believe Magic is not just saying what he needs to say then I have some ocean front property for sale in Arizona. The true Laker greats earned that title by playing great in championships series, not by underperforming nearly every time.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 24, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
ad hominem attacks will not be tolerated
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 24, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Honey, I'm probably older than you and far from naive.
Magic doesn’t “need” to say anything, he’s Magic. Stop spouting what you read on Yahoo! Sports and ESPN. As for opinions, they’re like assholes. You know the rest.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Some additions.
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Good stuff Saurav.
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i remember reading that second link when the HOF was taking place.
absolute must-read
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