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NBA Finals Positional Preview: Los Angeles Lakers vs. Boston Celtics

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"Looking at the other team, these two teams might as well be staring into a mirror." - That's what C.A. said in his piece commencing coverage of the Lakers-Celtics series, and that's the most apt description of this series I've heard.

Both teams struggled during the regular season. Both teams had their doubters, with the so-called 'experts' favouring the flashier teams or the teams that better filled a stat-sheet, without as much as an acknowledgement of the concepts of 'experience', 'clutch' or 'will'. But look who's left standing. For the 12th time in history, these two clubs with legendary levels of history are facing off for all the marbles on the hardwood, in what has historically been a one-sided contest. Both teams are the most successful in NBA history, both teams have a legacy that is unparalleled in this sport by any team other than each other. Both teams are used to winning.

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Both teams also have quite similar rosters. While in terms of position-by-position, it's not exactly 'looking into a mirror', it is still extremely well matched. The Celtics' and Lakers' starting units, aside from a reversal of the two wing roles on offense (Artest = Allen, PP = Kobe) and the point-guard matchup being quite one-sided, are very similar in terms of make-up. Andrew Bynum and Kendrick Perkins are both there primarily for their big bodies, rebounding and defense (though Andrew is obviously skilled offensively); KG and Pau are both versatile power forwards who can take it off the dribble, shoot from 15-18 feet efficiently and mix it up in the post; Ron Artest and Ray Allen are both spot-up shooters, Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce are both where their teams go if they desperately need points manufactured out of seemingly nowhere, and both are two of the best in the league at it due to their footwork and moves. The only difference is the point guards, who are almost polar opposites. 

Derek Fisher is the wily veteran, who plays almost exclusively off of his veteran savvy and smarts, with a reliable jump shot his primary method of scoring. Rondo is the speedy blur of a player who uses his uncanny speed to violate defenses and find holes to either score or pass out of. Both are great, in their own ways. Rondo is obviously better in terms of speed, athleticism and passing. Derek Fisher is a better shooter, with a pure jumper and an ability to draw fouls and convert at the free throw line to boot.

Both teams have a mix of veterans and young talent. Both teams know what it takes to take home the trophy, having been the last two champions. Both teams love beating the other, with a larger mutual rivalry than any two other NBA teams (sorry Sacramento, THERE IS NO RIVALRY). Both teams love to win. And, guess what? Both teams are playing in the 2010 NBA Finals. Y'all know what that means. Prepare to witness what will undoubtedly be the greatest basketball played all season (with the potential to be historically great), because of the will to win these teams display, their respective skill levels and how even the matchups are. And, as usual, Silver Screen and Roll is here to cover it all (unless the Lakers start losing, then you're on your own :P), including our NBA Finals edition of SS&R Positional Previews, once again run by yours truly.

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CENTER: Andrew Bynum vs. Kendrick Perkins

As we know, Andrew is injured. What you may not know is that Perkins is also injured. Andrew hyperextended his knee in the latter part of the first round against Oklahoma City, and it bothered him throughout the second and third rounds. Kendrick Perkins also had a hyperextended knee that has limited him. The difference is, Andrew's injury further aggravated a small meniscus tear in his knee he has been playing through all season, increasing the pain and making him wear a mobility-limiting brace for safety. The Phoenix Suns were especially able to take advantage of Andrew's limited mobility with their mobile big men and fast-paced offense, but the Celtics' low-post bangers will not be able to exploit this as much, as none of them display an especially high level of mobility, either. While Andrew's injury will only be completely healed with minor arthoscopic surgery in the offseason, he had his knee drained on Monday, which should result in an uptick in his play (which really wasn't THAT bad, anyway).

Kendrick Perkins is a low-post defensive monster, who uses his size, physicality, excellent defensive instincts and fierce competitiveness to stop some of the game's best pivots in their tracks. He's also a decent rebounder, at 7.6 boards per game in relatively low minutes. His offensive game is not heavily developed, but he can put some points on the board. Defensively, Bynum shouldn't have to worry too much about Perk, but with his limited mobility his help-defense on Rondo's drives will likely be sketchy at best, and thus in those scenarios Pau or Odom would definitely be better suited to the help-defender role. With Perkins' ability to set some of the best screens in the NBA, Bynum will likely often be exploited in Rondo-Perk pick-and-rolls, but his improvements in defense this season will likely allow him to satisfactorily guard pick-and-rolls involving Allen or Pierce.

Offensively, a hobbled Andrew Bynum may seem like a piece of cake for Perkins in the eyes of the media, after Perkins faced Dwight and Shaq in the last two rounds, but Kendrick himself says Drew is his hardest cover, not just for his length like many would say, but because of his excellent repertoire of post moves. Drew is more nimble than Shaq, has softer hands than either Shaq or Dwight, and has the most skilled post moves of any of the three. He also possesses the aforementioned length. The only issue is that because of his injury, Phil rests him in most practises, and as such he is out of rhythm. Nonetheless, Bynum's job will not be to put heavy points on the board, and in fact his best contributions will be rebounds, toughness and occupying Perk, thus keeping him off Gasol as much as possible.

Note: Kendrick Perkins is on 6 technicals. One more and he is suspended for a game, and then suspended another game for every second technical after that. Just a thought.

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POWER FORWARD: Pau Gasol vs. Kevin Garnett

We all remember what happened two years ago in this matchup, yeah? Well, Pau does. Forget his inconsistent play through the Suns series, and his atrocious Game Six, his supposedly 'disappearing' in fourth quarters (seriously, shut up, Pau is not the type of player to score through double-teams, and the Lakers barely got him the ball anyway). Forget it all. Pau is a soft-spoken, intellectual guy. But Kevin Garnett made the public perception of Pau to be 'Gasoft'. Hell, this motivated Pau to get in the weights room for the first time in his career, and the results are highly tangible. Pau has morphed into a rebounding beast and a force in the low-post, some even calling him the best offensive post player in the NBA. He is certainly the most skilled, and his newfound strength and toughness from that Garnett experience has at least put him in the conversation of the best.

If this was a healthy, '08-version Garnett, I would be very worried. Pau would attack, be aggressive, drive to the hoop. Garnett would pack his shit and send it back to him. But this isn't a healthy, '08-version Garnett. This is an old, hobbled Garnett. He's still one of the most competitive and intense players in the NBA. He's still crazy in a way that many hate, but many love. His heart and mind are right there. His body is not.  Cleveland and Miami had no real one-on-one defenders to throw at him, with Cleveland sending either an ancient Shaq or Z, an undersized ghost of Antawn Jamison, or a mediocre Anderson Varejao at him; and this allowed his play to appear decent, averaging 17.3/8.4 at over 50% through the two series, with the offense running through him. However, faced with a real defender in Dwight, as well as spells from Marcin Gortat and the undersized ghost of Rashard Lewis, his frailty was exposed. 10 and 8 on 39% shooting, certainly not anything to be afraid of. With defenders that actually have size and athleticism on him, he is forced out further away from the basket and has to take midrange jumpshots. Sometimes, they fall; but more often, especially when contested with length, they do not. Perhaps the most telling stat about his lack of athleticism is his lack of blocks. While blocks are not necessarily a reliable indicator of good defense, they certainly display athleticism, and if Kevin Garnett were playing anywhere near his DPoY-level defense of '08, he'd average more than 0.69 blocks through the playoffs.

Pau has the skill and athleticism advantage and is one of the best big men in the game. KG is the most intense big man in the game, with the best instincts. He is still tougher than Pau, and stronger. However, his body is older, as the years upon years of heavy minutes have taken their toll. Pau should abuse this, in his quest for personal redemption from '08. We all know what Pau is capable of, and the only worry we should have is that he may overthink. But, while I wouldn't be surprised if that hampered him for a game or two, I'd expect him to adapt fast enough to win this matchup through the series.

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SMALL FORWARD: Ron Artest vs. Paul Pierce.

Paul Pierce scored 31 points on 15 shots in Game Six of the Orlando series. He was also being defended by a combination of Matt Barnes, Mickael Pietrus, and possibly the occasional stint from Vince Carter or JJ Reddick. No offense to any of them; Barnes and Pietrus are good defenders, and Vince and Reddick aren't horrifically bad. But they just don't hold a candle to Ron Artest, one of the greatest perimeter defenders in the league and one perfectly suited for a matchup like this, one requiring size, strength and discipline more than speed. Pierce averages about 20ppg over his career on Artest, but at 43% from the field and nearly as many turnovers (3.3) as assists (3.8); and many of those games were back when Pierce was literally the only scoring option on the Celtics and therefore had to keep shooting, no matter how inefficiently, for the C's to even have a semblance of an offense.

Artest is doubtless bored. He came here expecting to defend the likes of LeBron James and Carmelo Anthony in the latter rounds of the playoffs, and has received neither. After holding the NBA's scoring champion and one of its most exciting young talents in Kevin Durant to terrible numbers in the first round, Ron-Ron has just been chillin' for the last two. C.J. Miles, a role player, and Jason Richardson, a shooter in a slump (likely induced by Artest, considering his success before running into Crazy Pills)? It's a miracle he didn't fall asleep at halftime. Paul Pierce displays a propensity to get to the line rivaling that of Durant or LeBron, and has a bevy of fakes and jab-steps to get a shot off. In terms of moves at his disposal, he is probably second only to Kobe in the League. He doesn't do it anywhere near as well, nor does he possess the speed or athleticism of Kobe, nor can he shoot over defenders as well as Kobe, but he's actually one of the best imitations you will find in the league. Nonetheless, without blinding speed, there's not much that can stop Artest from forcing Pierce into bad shot after bad shot. Sometimes, he'll make them, that's what great players do; but more often than not he'll miss.

Offensively, Artest won't really make Pierce work particularly hard, but he will make him work. Artest can't be counted on to provide a performance anywhere near the level of his 25 points on 16 shots in Game Six of the WCFs, but hopefully his confidence has been boosted from that game and the end of Game Five, and has allowed him to break out of his shooting slump, making it hard for Pierce to help off Ron on Kobe. Ron also prevents Pierce and Ray Allen from switching assignments often, as Ray is far smaller than Ron and will no doubt be quickly and repeatedly taken to the post for easy baskets by LA if he is made to defend Artest.

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SHOOTING GUARD (OFFENSE): Kobe Bryant vs. Ray Allen

With Ron's size deterring a wing-defensive switch of Allen and Pierce, Ray Allen will likely have to spend much time defending Kobe. I feel sorry for him. Finals, a shot for the championship, this is what Kobe lives for. And in these Finals, Kobe will attack harder than he ever has in his life. He knows what's on the line. Revenge for '08. In the perception of many, redemption for every on-court mistake in his career. Being recognised the best player of his generation, with no reasonable doubt (putting him absolutely ahead of Shaq in the process). Being in the running for Greatest Laker of All Time. Legitimately entering the discussion of Greatest Player of All Time. Hell, even if you ignore all that, and just focus on the two primal instincts that Kobe possesses more than any player since Jordan. One is a desire to win - well, more than a desire. Kobe NEEDS to win. It's like cocaine to him. He lives to win. It's obsessive. The other is revenge. Anyone hear him say he didn't care who the Lakers play in the Finals? Anyone believe him? Yeah, me neither. In '08, Kobe could see his first championship in six years in sight, and along with it redemption from all the ill-will caused by the breakup of the team in '04. Winning a championship, that year, after demanding a trade in the prior offseason, would have been one of the greatest turnarounds in NBA history. But it didn't happen; he and his team were not only beaten, but humiliated by Boston in every way possible. Hell, even after they had lost four games, the stones didn't stop coming (literally). Kobe does not forgive, does not forget. He destroys.

And then there's the other defining characteristic, one he possesses more than any player in NBA history: a desire for greatness. Ever since he entered the league, he wanted to go down as the Greatest Player of All Time, and was not hesitant in expressing this desire. Many considered him arrogant and couldn't believe the kid's cockiness. But, thing is, he put the hours in, he worked harder than 99% of human beings in the world. The countless hours of practise, filled with repetition of painstaking drills and strength and endurance training. The years of his life spent honing his shot. The constant willingness and desire to learn new skills (just ask Hakeem). He's put in the hours, and as a result, despite not being as athletically gifted as MJ or Wilt, or LeBron, or countless other players, he has been in the conversation for Greatest of All Time for quite some time. He's been in the conversation, but only because he has put himself in, both through his body of work and his desire. But, he doesn't deserve to be in there... yet. He hasn't won enough independently, he hasn't always led his team well, his numbers aren't as good as Jordan's. We as Laker fans often hate to hear it, but it's true. Four rings, but three of them were as a part of a 1-2 punch. 81 points, but in the regular season against a weak defense (still the greatest scoring performance of all-time once pace-adjusted, mind you). However, this next ring would legitimately put him in the discussion. It wouldn't be enough to put him solely in place at the top, by any means. But it would make him a legit contender. He knows this.

And Ray Allen's gonna be the poor fool in his way.

There's no way Ray Allen can successfully defend him one-on-one. Ray Allen has never been a bad defender, as such, but he has never been one of the great lockdown defenders in the league (not that that would help them, considering who he's facing and in what circumstances). In terms of team defensive scheme, the Celtics can't double off Ron unless he reverts to his shooting slump, and they can't double off Derek Fisher no matter what. When Kobe's out on the perimeter, the C's will often have no choice but to leave Ray on his own. That's gonna be painful to watch for Celtics fans.

If Kobe spends most of his team attacking right at the hoop, the Celtics frontline is large enough to somewhat reduce his effectiveness through their size and toughness, but they are not highly mobile and Kobe can go around them or find his open big man with a pass. But this isn't even that relevant, considering a very high number of Kobe's points these playoffs have come off mid-to-long-range jumpshots, protecting his older legs and numerous injuries. Nonetheless, when the right play is for Kobe to drive, he'll most certainly do it, and do it well.

Kobe averaged nearly 34 points per game last series (on 52% shooting), and added a tad over 8 assists, just to deter a defender from doubling him. While one shouldn't expect either number to be as high through the entire series, considering the Celtics' defense, even if not as good as '08, is still built on the '08 model, which was one of the best defenses in NBA history. But Kobe's been putting up some of the greatest playoff series in NBA history, and is not going to be shut down. Slowed, probably. Slowed enough? Probably not.

On a side-note, there is the possibility that Rajon Rondo will use his speed and quick hands to take a stint at Kobe from time to time, but Kobe's got too much of a size advantage on him, and will likely take him straight to the post to show Rondo what Hakeem taught him. The only issue with this is playing that close to the basket makes it easier for the Celtics to double, so alternatively Kobe may just want to shoot over Rondo.

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SHOOTING GUARD (DEFENSE): Kobe Bryant vs. Rajon Rondo

On D, the Lakers have found it beneficial through experience to switch Fisher and Kobe's defensive assignments, so that Fisher tirelessly chases Allen through screens while Kobe uses his length to bother Rondo while having a better chance against Rondo's speed. 

Rondo has been, in the eyes of many, the MVP of the playoffs asides from Kobe, and is certainly the MVP of the Celtics. While the Celtics have been carried here by their team defense, a scheme created by Tom Thibodeau and enforced on the court primarily by Kevin Garnett, without a decent offense they wouldn't have made it this far. With Rondo on the floor to tear defenses up with his speed before exploiting ridiculously tiny angles for passes thanks to his massive hands and insanely quick brain, the Celtics offense is one of the better offenses in the league. When Rondo is not on the floor, they're old, turnover-prone and inefficient. Rondo's youth and toughness have allowed him to play near wire-to-wire in many games these playoffs, and even with his niggling leg and back injuries, expect that to continue.

If the Lakers can force Rondo to be a scorer instead of a distributor, they have an advantage. Rondo can penetrate with the best of them, but he's not the best finisher - he's too small to consistently dunk in traffic, and his layup isn't entirely accurate. He's at best a mediocre free-throw shooter, and his jump shot's not much better. He's been hitting threes at a decent rate these playoffs, however, and as such Kobe must not play 'free safety' at all - it's just not worth risking it.

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POINT GUARD (OFFENSE): Derek Fisher vs. Rajon Rondo

Well, there's not much to say here. Derek Fisher is clutch as hell, and can hit tough shots. He has a pure jumper and an ability to draw fouls, and is an excellent free-throw shooter. Hell, he hasn't even looked that slow these playoffs. But Rajon Rondo is First-Team All-NBA Defense, and is one of the few who actually deserved his position on the squad as he is the best defender at the point guard position in the league. Being raised as a player in the Celtics environment, his natural talents of speed, big hands and a rapid-firing mind were developed to their full potential on the defensive end as well the offensive end; and the result is a steal-machine who plays the passing lanes well, putting his man on-guard at all times while dribbling, and virtually never letting his man get a step on him.

Derek Fisher is certainly not the exception to this. Derek drove in on Steve Nash, but that's because Steve Nash quite frankly sucks on defense. Against Rondo, he's just a spot-up shooter. If  Rondo is foolish enough to leave him open to help on someone else, Fish will make him pay by draining the open jumper. Otherwise, he's not gonna do much else. Unless there's point-four of a second left on the clock.

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POINT GUARD (DEFENSE): Derek Fisher vs. Ray Allen

Ray Allen runs around screens all day to get open shots. Derek Fisher will run through the screens all day to contest these shots. The Celtics' bigs have a propensity to set illegal screens, and some even admit to it (Perk did so in an interview, but I can't find that video on the Internet), but somehow, I think Fish can handle it.

If Ray Allen heats up, a temporary switch may be required, with Artest, Kobe or possibly Sasha being put on him to play him close and hard before he even catches the ball, taking away his airspace to shoot. Otherwise, Fisher just needs to keep getting a hand to his face.

Allen has the purest stroke in the NBA, but he's not just a pure shooter, as Dwight Howard will agree. If he drives, hands up straight and contest. It's not exactly complex.

BENCH (BIGS): Lamar Odom vs. Rasheed Wallace and Glen 'Big Baby' Davis

The Celtics run two big men off the bench to complete their four-man big rotation. Rasheed is obviously the better of the two, but Davis cannot be ignored either. Rasheed has a nice array of moves on the low block, and also has a shooting range that (sometimes) extends out to three. The Celtics' bigs are essentially interchangeable in terms of positions, but Rasheed is definitely more of a 4 due to his range (one certainly wouldn't want Bynum defending him out on the three). Glen Davis is almost a Rasheed-lite. His range extends out to 18-20 feet at its most, his post moves are rudimentary but with his size and soft hands he is still capable of putting points up from down low. And he's fatter than Rasheed Wallace. That's an impressive feat. In comparison to Sheed, he is more of a 5-man.

The Lakers' sole rotation big man off the bench is one Lamar Joseph Odom. His playoff performance this year has not been up to the level of last year, with his shoulder injury certainly playing a part in that. However, he bleeds purple and Ggold, and is one of the Lakers who seems to truly hate the Celtics. Also, he has a knack for stepping it up when the Lakers need it most.

His range also extends out to three, but it's better for Los Angeles if he forgets that. In the low post, both Sheed and Davis have a bigger base than him, though with his ridiculous length he can still shoot over them. However, his primary advantage against these two is his speed and versatility. He can play point guard, and should attack like a point guard without a jump shot. Isolating at the stop of the key and driving into the lane to either finish, assist or get fouled should be his bread-and-butter. None of the Celtics' big men are quick or athletic enough to stay with him, though all have a strength advantage on him. But, in reply to the strength disadvantage, this:

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BENCH (PERIMETER): Tony Allen and Nate Robinson vs. Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic and/or Shannon Brown (possibly Luke Walton?):

With both teams, it's tough to say how their perimeter substitution rotations are going to work. With the Celtics, Tony Allen was their sole guy until Nate Robinson impressed Doc Rivers with good defense in limited minutes in Game Five against Orlando, then exploded in Game Six and undoubtedly earned himself a spot in the rotation. With the Lakers, Sasha was out with injury, and then failed to crack the rotation on his return until Phil decided to use him to harass fellow Slovenian Goran Dragic.  This had both positive and negative effects: for one, Sasha played well and allowed Phil to reduce Shannon Brown's minutes, as Shannon was making boneheaded decisions with the ball; but simultaneously it nearly cost the Lakers a game when Sasha and Goran got to the point of blows in Game Six and Sasha got called for a flagrant, igniting both Dragic and the Phoenix crowd and stealing momentum and nearly the game.

However, it is reasonable to assume Sasha will remain in the rotation - asides from that elbow he made mostly good decisions with the ball and hit some threes, as well as playing irritating defense. And if the '08 series quite literally broke Sasha, he is doubtless burning for revenge as much as any other Laker - hell, after '08, he refused to wear green. What remains to be seen is whether Phil sticks with an eight-man rotation and clean replaces Shannon with Sasha, or if he extends it to nine and splits the minutes differently. Considering it's the Finals, and there are at most sevengames left in the season, it's doubtful the starters' minutes are reduced - Phil will certainly want Kobe and Fisher out there as much as possible. This also means the likelihood of Walton, who earned some minutes in the latter part of the Phoenix series, playing is lessened.

Tony Allen is a simplistic cutter, finisher and defensive specialist. He's almost like Trevor Ariza, before Trevor developed a three. Nate, however, is a whole 'nother monster. He is the best on the Celtics at creating his own shot, after Paul Pierce. He's got a decent three, and can heat up ridiculously from deep. He's quick and athletic, and has even shown some nice passing skills in Boston. The primary issue with him that prevented him from cracking the rotation was lack of defensive effort and bad decision-making with the ball, both of which were nonexistent in Games Five and Six against Orlando. He can be a go-to guy on offense from time to time and can swing momentum with his threes. Farmar has to put in effort defensively on him, and Brown may be used on him from time-to-time to add size to the equation (Nate is under 5'9", after all).

Offensively, we know what to expect from the Lakers' bench guards - that is, we know that we can't expect anything, because they're too inconsistent. Shannon has turned into horse crap, while Jordan has turned it up in the playoffs and Sasha played well in the two games he actually got in on. However, it would be surprising to few if somehow the roles magically reversed, Sasha and Jordan regressed and Shannon and Walton were called upon again, only to step it up and win a game with their momentum.

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COACHING: Phil Jackson vs.  Doc Rivers

There's not much to say here, as both coaches know and trust their teams, know that their teams have been there before and are veterans. Phil is the master of Zen, not calling timeouts while the Lakers are getting destroyed on runs, and letting his players play ugly offense. Doc doesn't really have much coaching to do. The Celtics offense is essentially a bunch of three aging stars he has helped convince to be unselfish in a quest for rings, a young superstar who distributes the ball as well as near anyone in this league, and a bunch of role players who know, and revel in, their respective roles. They don't run any special offense, and the offense they do run essentially runs itself. Defensively, Tom Thibodeau has embedded in them defensive execution, and the players led by KG have all adopted an intense defensive mindset. But, the defensive schemes are taught in practise, just like everything Phil teaches is taught in practise.

In games, all there is for a coach to do is to motivate their own players, correct mistakes and make in-game adjustments based on what their opponent is doing. Both coaches trust their players to motivate themselves. Phil also trusts them to correct their own mistakes, whilst Celtics teammates correct each other before Doc Rivers has a chance to. And these teams know each other so well, and trust their own game plans so well, that in-game adjustments will be rare. These coaches will do their best work out of sight of the cameras, in their respective practise facilities.

One thing to note is that while Phil gives the impression of being uncaring and always in a neutral state of mind, have no doubt that he is annoyed at '08. Not angry, annoyed. Many believed he was outcoached by Doc Rivers, despite leading the Doc, nine rings to none, at the time. Phil gives the impression of not having an ego, but you cannot be successful in such an ego-driven profession, one where a coach requires such confidence to be able to tell petulant superstars like Jordan, Kobe and Shaq what to do, without having a massive ego. Phil hides it well, but he most certainly wants to destroy Doc this time around.

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Omg, 5,077 words :S

Miraculously, it only took 3 hours – half an hour of which was formatting, image and link searching and embedding, and proofreading.

But Josh, now I have the longest post of this year :P

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 2, 2010 8:01 AM PDT reply actions  

nearly 1k was on the Kobe offensive matchup on Allen

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 2, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

i am impressed

if the lakers put as much effort as you did in this post, i won’t be worried about the outcome of the series

by theshmoes on Jun 2, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Feels good to be done with school, isn't it?

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not

I’m in the 10th grade, but I’m pretty much just chilling as until I start full IB classes next year I only have one IB subject, and therefore only one subject I have to worry about.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow...

Had you figured for being a bit older!

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on Jun 3, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

What!? Your only like 15? I also thought you’d be older.

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess."
-Kobe Bryant

by Moradi-7 on Jun 3, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep, still 15 for a few more months

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 2:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think it would be interesting to do a post where everyone put their age, sex and location.

There woudl probably be alot of surprises……… well maybe except who Wave Ocean and California Waves is………

Maybe after the Finals.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on Jun 3, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great idea.

We could title the post, “Death by AOL.”

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by Josh Tucker on Jun 4, 2010 3:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I also had you pegged as being quite a bit older

You write very well, especially for a 15-year old. I remember 10th grade — I was a very good writer, but when I compare what I wrote then to what I write now, it just doesn’t measure up. Which is my way of saying, you’re going to kick some serious ass by the time you’re my age.

Treat your craft like Kobe treats his — study intimately the work of others, and incorporate their strengths into your skill set. That, and begin teaching yourself brevity. It is sometimes necessary, and as someone who used to be even more wordy than I am now (by quite a bit, actually), I can tell you that learning to say the same thing in fewer words will only improve your writing.

Anyhow, very impressed. 15, indeed.

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by Josh Tucker on Jun 4, 2010 3:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

9th grader here

and i can’t write for beans

"When Michael Jordan scored 69 points, I knew I'd always remember it as the night me and Michael combined for 70 points." -Stacey King, former Bulls player

by KobeisGod on Jun 5, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

the longest essay I have to write in High School is my IB Extended Essay, which has a 4,000 word word limit…. I’m screwed trying to stay within 4000 words

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 2, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is it CIE thingy?

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by Jovi Siagian on Jun 3, 2010 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

no idea what that is... so I'm guessing no.

It’s part of the International Baccalaureate Diploma, generally regarded as the highest non-tertiary qualification worldwide.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I see

Those terms are somehow familiar to me. IB, Extended.

But maybe just because I’m too close-minded or something.

Oh, CIE = Cambridge International Examination or something, IIRC.

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by Jovi Siagian on Jun 3, 2010 5:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I recently finished an assignment that was supposed to be between 2500 and 3000 words.

Mine was 5,487, and I was frustrated with how much information they wanted me to jam into so few pages.

16...15...14...13...12...11...10...9...8...7...6...5...4...

by Josh Tucker on Jun 4, 2010 3:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Feel good article

Hey,
A lots point made are good but your article is very one sided. I can relate to that as I am a laker fan as well. Reading your article makes me feel like we are going to sweep this series.

But i doubt the lakers are so much better than the celtics (i hope you make me eat my words and scream at me: I told you so!).

Derek Fisher is a better scorer due to his jumper and ability to draw fouls and drain the free throws

This is absolutely not true, Rondo is much better.

Plus their bench is performing much better than ours.

by Datuca on Jun 2, 2010 9:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Not really worried about the bench

The bench players always play with about 2 starters. As long as they play good defense and let the starters do their thing, I don’t care

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by Hdg23 on Jun 2, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont see why that isnt true...

Rondo isnt a great scorer. He has no jumper and his 3 is even worse than that, Add in his poor Free-throw shooting and you have a guy who can drive and finish when he’s HOT. A scorer he is not

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by EmmCeee on Jun 2, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you watched any Boston games during the playoffs

you’d know that Rondo is definitely a better scorer than Fisher. The only time Fish was really creating shots for himself during these playoffs where during very brief stretches when he had none other than the amazing defense of Steve Nash to stop him.

Rondo’s ability to break people down off the dribble and finish at the rim make him a much, much better scorer.

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by Justin N. on Jun 2, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I dont question his ability to break down a defense

But scoring encompasses every aspect of the ball going in the hoop. We limit his layups and there’s no other way he can score

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by EmmCeee on Jun 2, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

score consistently*

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by EmmCeee on Jun 2, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's not Kobe Bryant

but he’s better than Derek Fisher. Also, Rondo’s jumpshot is not as awful as it was two years ago. A quick glance at both player’s stat pages shows that Rondo scored both more and more efficiently during both the regular season and the playoffs than Fisher did.

Now would I still take Derek Fisher in the clutch? Sure because in these situations you need outside shooting more than anything. The notion that he is a better scorer than Rondo though is almost laughable.

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by Justin N. on Jun 2, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither one are scorers in the sense of putting up big numbers

and their respective teams ask them to do different things….It doesnt change the fact that the majority of his points come from the paint. His jumper is still trash waaay more often than its gold and you limit his points in the paint you effectively take him out of a game. Doing that is harder than it sounds but it’s still the same gameplan since he’s been in the league

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by EmmCeee on Jun 2, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess you had the playoffs turned off until now...all three previous opponents thought like you...

They backed off the Celtic’s MVP and booyah! they all gone fishing with EJ, Charles and Kenny…

by Ol' Green Boyz on Jun 2, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't doubt that rondo is going to get his offense going

but i think we can slow him down significantly. He’s been hot but I still don’t think he’s a better pure offensive point guard than Nash.

by malmario on Jun 2, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

that opinion

will change after next week.

by PaFish on Jun 2, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rondo's free throw shooting has improved

He’s been taking lessons from Mark Price…who just so happens to be one of the all time greatest Cavaliers. Just our luck, I guess.

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

man that playoff loss really did a number on you, Wave

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by Justin N. on Jun 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

You'd be "one troubled dude" too

if your team compiled a 61 win season with a winning record over the lakers and splitting the season series with the celtics and magic and your supserstar won an MVP, only to sleepwalk through game 2, choke away game 4, completely implode in game 5, and lay down and die in game 6, squandering a 2-1 series lead and making yourself the first team with Shaq on it to lose a series after winning game 1.

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

ouch...

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by LakersFoEva on Jun 2, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha... it wasn't meant to be, when I started out

But, the thing is, the more you look at the paper matchups, the more one-sided the results skew in favour of the Lakers. On paper, the Lakers are the far more talented team, and thus looking at the matchups, as this post does, it appears one-sided.

Going solely off of matchups, one may even expect an easy series; but there’s more to it than that, as my initial paragraph talks mentions.:

…favouring the flashier teams or the teams that better filled a stat-sheet, without as much as an acknowledgement of the concepts of ‘experience’, ‘clutch’ or ‘will’.

And as for the quote you highlighted, I’m not sure how I managed to write that… it was meant to be ‘better shooter, with a pure jumper and an ability to draw fouls and convert at the free throw line to boot’. I guess shit happens writing over 5000 words at 1am at night… I’ll go fix that now, thanks for the pick up.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really agree with this
despite not being as athletically gifted as MJ or Wilt, or LeBron, or countless other players

Kobe is one of the finest athletes to ever play this game. He’s strong, tough, explosive, and, best of all, resilient. How does he stack up against MJ, Wilt, or LeBron? Well, he’s up there with them for sure.

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by 99bc99 on Jun 2, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Oh, I enjoyed the rest of the article. Long read, but worth it...

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by 99bc99 on Jun 2, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think he means

Despite being an explosive jumper early in his career, what Kobe lacks right now in relation to MJ or Lebron, is MJ’s large mittens that let him finish effortlessly near the basket and Lebron’s 280lb body with point guard quickness.

He makes up for it though, in spades, by being a smart and crafty M’Fer.

by theshmoes on Jun 2, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm good with that :P

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by 99bc99 on Jun 2, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

this

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

(is right)

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

MJ, Wilt, Lebron can go to the paint and score at will

but Kobe’s frame doesnt suit for always driving, and thats why he developed a jumpshot, fadeaway/ perimeter game.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 2, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe went to the paint on drives when he was younger

As did MJ.

Michael had to develop the fade as he got older. Kobe, being Kobe, incorporated it into his game much earlier in his career.

Wilt lived in the paint. Lebron drives like no other (save young Barkley).

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by 99bc99 on Jun 2, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

kobe still has the keys trust me

he just doesnt like to bring the car out

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by Czheck on Jun 2, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice metaphor

I think I’ll start calling Kobe dunks “Gran Torinos.”

by Whipp on Jun 2, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

MJ, Wilt and LeBron,

those are three of the most athletically gifted peeps of all time, and Kobe belongs in that conversation, not at the top, as far as pure athleticism, but right in there. But as for “countless others?” Maybe a few more, handful at best (Dr. J., David “Skywalker” Thompson, ’Nique come to mind first), but Kobe is up there for sheer athletic ability, and absolutely off the charts in skill level.

by Whipp on Jun 2, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed 99bc99

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by BrittneyM on Jun 2, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

I disagree 99...

Kobe’s a great athlete, a phenomenal one, but those aforementioned are almost other-worldly.

Now, Kobe’s work ethic is probably unparalleled in the history of the NBA… and that’s what puts him up in the pantheon with those guys.

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, that's exactly it

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

well

- He couldn’t run as fast or jump as high as MJ or LeBron
- He has small hands compared to MJ, as Phil has mentioned as being one of MJ’s big advantages over Kobe, and the primary difference between the two
- He doesn’t have Wilt’s size advantage (which was combined with Wilt’s freakish athleticism for the time)

Resiliency is a mental aspect. He is one of, if not, the most resilient player in the game today, and has been over his career. But it’s not part of being athletically gifted.

Also, in speaking of being athletically gifted, I mean natural talents. He works for every pound of muscle he has, every half-second off his hundred-metre sprint he reduces. MJ, Wilt, and LeBron all had more natural gifts in terms of physical attributes than him. As did players such as Dr. J, Skywalker, etc. Hell, even Nate Robinson – if Nate and Kobe both didn’t work out, Nate would still be able to jump higher than Kobe.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey don't worry about lebron...

he’s a young guy and already about 270? he’s gonna get fat with age and probably slow down alot faster than kobe. or maybe i’m just hoping lol

by lakers are trouble on Jun 3, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol Saurav, we couldn't get a 2010 roster pic up there?

and lol @ Bynum, who wears the brace even in team pics.

I found a decent 2009-2010 roster pick and posted it under FanShots :)

Queensbridge.

by bluexfalcon on Jun 2, 2010 9:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for the post, a good breakdown of the matchups.

a good read this morning with my coffee. The matchups show why these two teams are in the finals (as you’ve laid out so well). It’s funny how veteran teams treat the regular season like somewhat of a long preseason. Thankfully, the Lakers did enough to have home court, and since we are undefeated @ the Staples so far in the playoffs, it should tip the balance in our favor, as I believe we take it all in 6.

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by S Jay Bruin on Jun 2, 2010 10:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Sasha

Surprised if Kobe I mean PJ lets him play. Tho give Sasha and Addidas mad props for this one:

http://www.zazzle.com/anti_celtics_shirt-235104343337522586

Great write-up.

by 81 Witness on Jun 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it will be Brown whose minutes will be rationed.

Kobe, I mean PJ, just hates that out-of-control, bad ball decisions stuff…

by Whipp on Jun 2, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

"If Kobe spends much of his team attacking"

Not to be a dick, but you meant “time” right? Good write-up nonetheless Mr. Das, however it is pretty biased. Which I don’t really mind right now, the time for chivalry and sportsmanship is dead, for now we dine in hell. Main Course? Celtic Defense.

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by MexcNguy1 on Jun 2, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions  

Haha, well, this is a Positional Preview

And thus looks at the paper matchups… the longer you look at the paper matchups, the more evidence you see to support that the Lakers will win it all. However, looking solely at the paper matchups, you’d expect the Lakers to win every game they play, and to blow the ‘96 Bulls’ record out of the water… how’d that work out?

Paper matchups can’t truly account for intangibles, heart, hustle, and luck. This piece is not as a standalone (though it’s certainly long enough to be), but as an accompaniment to prior knowledge as well as individual game previews and statistical previews.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just 4 more wins...

Great Article/Read!!!!! Got me more and more hype…Still a little worried about how we’re going to contain rondo but im sure Uncle Phil has that taken care off. My main concern coming into the playoff was focus. Tho they’ve shown glimpses of complete focus these playoffs I have no doubt they will be 100% focused. It will be a great series. I think it will last 5-6 games obviously with us keeping the title. Redemtion is near fellow Lakers!!!

by purplebloodgoldheart on Jun 2, 2010 11:58 AM PDT reply actions  

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by Czheck on Jun 2, 2010 12:06 PM PDT reply actions  

shannon

ive been reallly disappointed in his play thus far
i really hope he steps up this round

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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 2, 2010 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

I got goosebumps when I read this:
Kobe does not forgive, does not forget. He destroys.

by LongLiveLA on Jun 2, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

that pic of Kobe pointing at Rondo is great

Can anybody give me the context of that pic? I don’t remember that at all

by LongLiveLA on Jun 2, 2010 12:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Some one needs to bring out that vid where kg gets punked.....

if i remember correctly kg had nothing to do with that play. So pointing at him would be pointless

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by true_lakerfan on Jun 2, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He did it to Rondo because Rondo was the one who shoved him in the back

when he was trying to help a teammate get up off the floor after being fouled.

And what is a “karate choop?”

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by SoCalGal on Jun 2, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi SoCalGal

Thanks for asking about graduation. I got a nice surprise when some of my family from Toronto came to visit without me knowing. We took plenty of pictures, and ate out afterwards. Good stuff.

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love surprises, how nice that was for you!

Con-GRAD-ulations again!

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by SoCalGal on Jun 2, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

You figure? I call BS on that statement.

KG’s doesn’t have the gumption to yell at Kobe.
Small point guards? Sure!
Rookies? Sure!

Hell, even Ben Wallace stated that “KG picks his marks. Let’s just say that KG’s never come at me.”
Pffft… fear and intimidation only work if you’re afraid and intimidated.

KG? There’s a lotta bark in that ol’ doggie. Not so much bite.

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Andrew got knee drained

whoa hoo he will play much more active. big boost for the lakers
kobe got knee drained and he play well since.
that big oak tree afraid at needle!!! lol … i guess kobe make him to get it done!!!
people talk about the match up between kobe and paul to paul and kevin but i think ron ron and andrew are important. cause during the regular season games they play well against the celtic well it is just my opinion

by Vui on Jun 2, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Bynum will still play and put up decent numbers for being foughly 70%.

They’ll prob be better numbers than Perkins, so its all good.

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by LakersFoEva on Jun 3, 2010 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I believe this series will be won on the boards

It’s our biggest advantage over them at both ends of the floor. I bet we’ll be able to look at the rebounding numbers in the box scores and that will tell you who won each game.

by graceofzod on Jun 2, 2010 1:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Breakdown was enjoyable to read

My Keys: Kobe’s Teammates(Can they make plays and score consistently?)

We know about the punkfeast Celtics employed on Lakers big men down low in 08, I’m curious to see the difference now, if Lakers big men stand up to the challenge and dish out some punishment of their own.

I’m not worried about the benches because both teams made it this far without overwelming help from their bench so this should be a draw, either bench who gives something will just be an added bonus. Then I think Celtics need their bench more then the Lakers do.

I’m not worried about Kobe scoring or playing defense on Rondo, when you learn to play basketball they teach you both not one or the other, I guarantee Kobe will show up for these Finals with Ring number 5 only four wins away…watch out Rondo. Then on top of that Kobe doesn’t always need to score for the Lakers to be successful, I expect a more defensive minded Kobe and lots of getting his teammates involved.

The best defensive team will win this matchup, I’d be worried if I were the Celtics because they have two weak links on offense which Lakers can exploit(Perkins & Rondo), I would play defense to make these two beat me. Limit Rondo’s passing make him a volume scorer, make Perkins a post player(no dunks), just little things Lakers can get defensive stops off of.

To me Lakers have some advantages and if done right, Lakers in 6

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by BrittneyM on Jun 2, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

It’s a very good point that this Lakers team is much better equipped to match up with this Celtics team. Hopefully that translates to wins. As long as their support players don’t go ice cold for the series, the Lakers should be fine.

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by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 2, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

This blog sure is dead, after being on fire for a couple days.........

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by LakersFoEva on Jun 2, 2010 3:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Silver Screen and Roll

May 29, 2010-June 2, 2010

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

OUCH!

Go to my guest piece, and comment. Now.

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about everyone else, but I’ve been busy with other things. Maybe the anticipation and waiting is too much for you guys.

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

there's just nothing left to talk about

for a while we were talking about both the phoenix series ending and the boston series coming up. Lots of people had stuff to say on both issues. Now everything has been said and it’s time to just see what happens on the court.

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by Justin N. on Jun 2, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, the wait is too long

It seems like everythink I’ve wanted to say has been said a few times over already. I think we are all just anxious to get this thing going and repeat already.

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by S Jay Bruin on Jun 2, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, that's my line!

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by SoCalGal on Jun 2, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess...

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by SoCalGal on Jun 2, 2010 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

everything that had to be said was said day after we eliminated the suns

we need new material … hm….like a blowout win tmrw :]

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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 2, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait for the summer after free agent signings and the draft

Then it really seem as if it’s dead.

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by Ben R on Jun 2, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

That editorial we got up to over 1000 comments...

probably expunged every single thought about the Lakers from peoples’ minds out on to the interwebz.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

good post saurav

Im sensing Odom will be a huge factor in this series, especially with Bynum not feeling 100% still. Like you said he needs to stay away from the 3s and just constantly attack the paint cause Sheed/ Davis cant keep up with him on drives.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 2, 2010 3:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Gadamnit I can't wait, this preview made me more excited!! Damn you!!

Seriously, I need to marathon a show to keep my mind off it a little. Is Fringe any good?

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by Beko on Jun 2, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Here, watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MMM2FOeBuc

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

aha thanks, watched it all

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by Beko on Jun 2, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

hmm... I'll put it on my list then

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Jun 2, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

btw

Here is a suggestion for this blog, how about a countdown to game 1 thread? where someone writes up a game 1 preview and we just talk about everything and anything Lakers vs Celtics on there until the game thread goes up around 5ish tomorrow. its an idea.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 2, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

well, Game Previews are essentially also places for pregame chat

And the preview will be up early-ish tomorrow morning, I believe, so yeah.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I will rec this:

besides it was a great article, it was because of the effort made in doing this, good job Saurav

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by Kobe:The Legend on Jun 2, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Bynum in the pick and role

I have to say that the analysis on how well Bynum is going to guard the pick and role and or play help side defense is a little optimistic. He was a complete disaster in the WCF. His mobility is shot. This was even true on the offensive end when at the end of the WCF he was reminiscent of Will Perdue, Bill Wennington or even worse “Lucky” Luc Longley trying to lay the ball in 2 feet short instead of putting it down.

Whatever injury that Perkins has, that is similar in nature, isn’t anywhere near the one Bynum has to his credit, evidenced by simply watching the mobility of the two players. My guess is that Bynum will start and sit quickly in every game after he gets 2 quick fouls for reaching in on Rondo, Allen or Pierce to make up for not being physically able to move his feet. If he doesn’t do that then either Artest or Gasol is going to sit with 2 early having to cover the move to the basket.

I hate Bynum simply because he looks like he doesnt give two s**** how the cookie crumbles nearly 100% of the time, aloof is the word. But thinking that he is capable of producing on a bum wheel against Perkins and KG is terrible analysis and is simply fanboy optimism. Thinking he will do anything in PR against Rondo or Allen is flat out retarded.

The Lakers need to play Odom a lot and somehow motivate him to show up every game not every game they blow out their opponent by 20. If Odom, who is the best bench player of either team in this series, doesnt show up, the Lakers are in some serious trouble because Brown and Farmar are the 2 worst bench players by far in the typical 8 man rotations in this series.

by Simulacra on Jun 2, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

*pick and roll
I hate Bynum

As long as he’s wearing the Purple and Gold, hating him is extreme.

Also, Bynum was not a ‘disaster’ on the screen and roll. Amare Stoudemire in Game 2 was a disaster on the screen and roll. Bynum’s mobility is hampered somewhat by his brace, and traditional big men like him always arwen’t the best defenders of the screen-and-roll, especially with the NBA’s tick-tack foul calls on the perimeter.

And Farmar is playing well… better than Tony Allen, for sure.

But thinking that he is capable of producing on a bum wheel against Perkins and KG is terrible analysis and is simply fanboy optimism. Thinking he will do anything in PR against Rondo or Allen is flat out retarded.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but watch yourself. ‘Aloof’, is the word? Perhaps you should examine the tone of your comment, as you’ll see the very same. Perkins and KG are both on bum wheels themselves, in fact KG last series was worse than Bynum.

You seem to be blinded by your pessimistic hatred of Bynum in making your conclusion, and your reasons for it are arguably untenable as well. “I hate Bynum simply because he looks like he doesnt give two s**** how the cookie crumbles nearly 100% of the time, aloof is the word.” – I’m guessing you hate Phil Jackson, as well? Phil is the king of being aloof and disconnected from what’s going on around him, for maintaining his composure and staying level in all circumstances. And he has 10 rings to show for it.

In fact, it’s likely that the very source of Bynum’s placid expression is Phil himself. For virtually all of Bynum’s professional career, Phil has been his coach. He’s been essentially raised as an NBA player by Phil, and thus has taken Phil’s attitude. Just like Rondo, growing up in a locker room full of guys like Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce, is both arrogant and determined, Andrew growing up around Phil is placid and arguably aloof.

Judging by the fact you’re referring to Perkins’ hyperextended knee, which occurred near-simultaneously with Bynum’s, and was virtually the same injury (a hyperextended knee), except for Bynum’s increasing his meniscus tear, as ‘whatever injury Perkins has’; I doubt you have any knowledge of how effective Perkins is/shall be, how he has often been in foul trouble through the Playoffs (averaging nearly 4 fouls in 25 minutes), and how his natural lack of speed makes him far from the best defender of the screen and roll, either.

“Thinking he will do anything in PR against Rondo or Allen is flat out retarded.” – Rondo’s gonna torch him if Bynum hedges, but he shouldn’t be hedging, the correct strategy would be to drop back and let Rondo shoot pull-up 20-footers, before collecting the bricks. And since when was Ray Allen a blazing quick, effective penetrator off of the SnR? With Ray, the Lakers cannot switch, the onus is on Fisher to stay with him through the screen.

“The Lakers need to play Odom a lot and somehow motivate him to show up every game not every game they blow out their opponent by 20.” – Have you though this through at all? You’ve got your cause and effect mixed up. Odom’s good play is not caused by the Lakers having a large lead; the Lakers having a large lead is due to Odom’s good play. Bravo on actually making a correlation (considering how utterly mistaken you’ve been showing a tendency to be throughout your comment), or acknowledging that the Lakers win by 20 from time to time (with the dripping pessimism throughout your comment, I’m surprised you’d acknowledge that the Lakers win games), but you’ve got the causal factor and deterministic result switched around..

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

And you're ignoring Perkins' tech foul issues...

The simple fact that he is FACING suspension for his next T (and every odd-numbered one post that!) can’t help but alter the way Perk plays the game.
He prides himself on being the big angry man who plays a hard, scowl-fest of a game… and that’s going to be taken away from him with that millstone ‘round his neck. He can’t help but be thinking about it…

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by With Malice on Jun 3, 2010 1:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great write up!

Although I feel it is incomplete.
What about the pivotal
Cheerleading benchwarming white guys from Washington:
Adam Morrison vs. Brian Scalabrine?

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by Rich Langford on Jun 2, 2010 4:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Who has the fancier duds?

I think this is going to come down to who can grow the skankiest beard combined with worst street cloathes courtesy of Dads closet. I think Morrison wins this one by a mile!

by Simulacra on Jun 2, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

KG vs Gasol

This is also an odd commentary since its about defense and how KG isnt physically up to snuff. Im sure this has been posted elsewhere but:

Beasley
’10 reg season: 14.8 ppg, 45% FG, 1.7 TOs, 30 min/game
’10 playoffs Celtics (KG on bench): 19.5 points/30 min, 62% FG, 2.2 TOs/30 min
’10 playoffs Celtics (KG in game): 7.7 points/30 min, 32% FG, 3.2 TOs/30 min

Jamison
Jamison: ’10 reg season: 18.7 ppg, 46% FG, 1.4 TOs, 37 min
Jamison: ’10 playoffs (not Boston): 19.4 ppg, 51% FG, 1.8 TOs, 35 min/game
Jamison ’10 playoffs (Celtics, KG on bench): 26 points/36 min, 56% FG, 0 TOs/36 min
Jamison ’10 playoffs (Celtics, KG in game): 11.2 points/36, 38% FG, 1.9 TOs/36

Lewis
Lewis ’10 Reg season: 14.1 ppg, 43.5% FG, 1.5 TOs, 33 min
Lewis ’10 playoffs (not Boston): 16.4 ppg, 54% FG, 1.8 TOs, 37 min
Lewis ’10 playoffs (Celtics, KG on bench): 17.3 pts/36 min, 48% FG, 1.3 TOs/36
Lewis ’10 playoffs (Celtics, KG in game): 5.2 pts/36, 24% FG, 2.0 TOs/36

I 100% agree with what another Lakers fan stated in the fact that Gasol is simply way better than all three of these players however the analysis of KG is bogus when you look at those numbers. Its the classic defense gets underlooked and its mistaking KG’s offense in the ECF for how he is playing overall. If Gasol has anywhere near this kind of drop off in numbers again this will spell trouble because who is going to make up for it? 10-15PPG instead of 20-25 from Gasol is more likely than not a loss and if its consistent the Lakers will get mauled.

by Simulacra on Jun 2, 2010 4:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Really?

You’re going to compare Gasol to Beasley/Jamison/Lewis?

Should comparisons now be made for Rondo and Steve Blake?

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope

I stated clearly they dont hold a candle to him read the start of the last paragraph but neither has he seen the same level of defense. So I am simply stating that if his numbers drop at all that spells trouble.

by Simulacra on Jun 2, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or...

Do you really think this is an easier challenge for him than the the first three series? Pure fanboyism if that is the case not analysis of the matchup. Sure he can light up KG but its probably not likely is it based on KG defense through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs. Just curious again where a likely drop in production can be made up? Ron or Fish who also face more difficult defensive match ups?

Ron definitely isn’t going to be game 6 WCF Ron when he has to focus on Ding up Pierce. He is going to have OKC numbers at about 8ppg. This is something not yet accounted for in most of the analysis that 2 of your 5 starters will be run ragged on D ala OKC, and they are the two that can make up for a drop off in either Gasol of Kobe’s numbers. That isnt going to happen.

As i stated in my post about Bynum, Odom is the one that absolutely has to come up huge for LA. If he is OKC first round Odom and cant pick up the slack its goodnight Irene.

by Simulacra on Jun 2, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Could you back up a bit?

I have absolutely no idea where your own “fandom” lies, but I have my guess handy.
But coming here, and making unsubstantiated smirks about “pure fanboyism” is not going to win you a friend from my angle.

My ENTIRE POINT is that you take works both ways. You make use of a measure based on what Beasley/Jamison/Lewis did vs KG, then apply it to Gasol? Then when it’s pointed out that it mightn’t work like that, you throw out cronyism/one-eyed-fan as a slur.
Please don’t.

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not my point

I simply stipulated that the analysis in the article is that KG is perceived to be less of a threat overall based on his offensive performance against the Magic. When the truth his he has played stellar in anchoring the defense, hence the stats posted and shutting down his man.

Based on that fact alone and what Gasol has faced I simply doubt that his numbers are going to go up. They will probably go down. That is an assumption based on a trend and the fact that if I am not mistaken overall KG is probably considered the best defensive player Gasol will play against this post season right?

by Simulacra on Jun 2, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Furthermore...

Its like saying that Ron Artest isn’t going to cut down on some of Pierces scoring and production which I am sure you are 100% a believer in right? I mean the analysis above and in general of this series states that. I whole heartedly agree with that fact as well as long as Ron doesnt get goated and or pick up early fouls.

By your logic just because Pierce hasnt been guarded by Ron thus far. That would be slightly bold for me to state that sure Pierce is going to get 30 and be the offensive pierce from 08 and ECF and get his shot time and time again against Ron.

I think the matchup with Gasol and KG is the same. That both players are the defensive anchors and will sacrifice points to shut down the other guy in the matchup.

There is your two edged sword. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander right?

by Simulacra on Jun 2, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

"By my logic"? Ummm... say what?

All I did was simply point out that using a metric based on the performance of KG against lesser PFs wasn’t necessarily going to hold true for these series.

’Tis not me stating “Well… this happened in the last 3 series therefore…” and drawing a not-necessarily-logical end to the equation.

I’m fine with disagreeing, but when you start including slights on me when you’re doing it, don’t expect me to respond with respect.

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

your arrogance is going to get you nowhere...

‘I think’…. is that the first time you’ve actually admitted to your comments being an opinion instead of trying to portray them as pure, blatant fact, which you would have to be a ‘fanboy’ to disagree with?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

None of those guys are true post players like Pau. You base your analysis on a trend that has occured to less potent offensive players. Will it be as dramatic as you claim be? No unless Perkins guards Pau for the majority of the game.

by Kobe B on Jun 2, 2010 6:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

And even then...

Perk can’t equate for Gasol’s wide array of moves. AND the fact that Perk has tech-foul-#7 hanging over his head HAS to be taken into consideration.

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

he'll cut down on Gasol's production, for sure

thing is, Gasol’s production will still outweigh KG’s production, and thus the Lakers win that matchup.

I don’t expect more than 15-18ppg and 9-10rpg on 50% shooting at best from Gasol, but the thing is, in the low-scoring, low-pace, defense-orientated games these two teams bring, those numbers are outstanding.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

stop accusing people of being fanboys, we're lenient around here but you're still stepping on the wrong stones

And lmao @ Pierce ‘running Ron ragged’. Pierce is exceptionally talented, with a repertoire of moves and an ability to get a shot off, as I stated in the article, that is one of the closest to Kobe in the League. But, athletically, he isn’t going to be running anyone ragged any time soon. Pierce is no Kevin Durant. Pierce is a better player than JRich, but JRich is more athletic, yet Artest somehow miraculously managed to avoid passing out with exhaustion on that matchup.

8 points per game? You shittin’ me? That was in the middle of Artest’s shooting slump, and while he was still having issues with the team. The causation of Artest’s shooting slump lays in hesitation on making his move, whether it be to shoot, drive, or pass, and with his performances in finishing Game 5 and going on a tear in Game 6, his confidence is back. Especially considering that Paul Pierce, Ray Allen or Tony Allen will often help off Ron onto Kobe, 15 points per game is a reasonable expectation for Artest.

The only person on this team who will be run ragged by a Celtic is whoever is defending Rondo, and that’s likely Kobe. While Rondo is far quicker, Kobe is more conditioned.

After playing the Suns, who play at a high pace, and successfully playing in their playstyle for the first two games to the tune of resounding wins, the though of a slow-pace, defense-first team like the Celtics running the Lakers ragged is laughable.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think, the more that this goes on...

It becomes more, and more apparent as to who the fanboy is.

I shudder at why someone who’s obviously a Celtics fan would make an account on SB Nation to merely troll the opponent’s boards.
Creation date: June 2, 9 comments. First 7 comments – all on SS&R.
That, is sad.

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by With Malice on Jun 3, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say he's 'obviously' a Celtics fan...

I actually initially assumed he was just a pessimistic Laker fan after reading his first comment, on hating Bynum, as there are some Laker fans who hold that contention, and I disagree with them. However, it’s becoming more and more likely he’s a fan of another team, though not necessarily the Celtics.

It doesn’t matter who he’s a fan of, we’re accepting of all fans, what matters is his tone and arrogance.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I focused on...

The intentional trolling.

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by With Malice on Jun 3, 2010 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is exactly why I think it's in bad taste

for Lakers fans to go to other teams’ sites just to insert comments that they know will rile up their fan base. We hate it when people do it to us, so we shouldn’t do it to them.

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by SoCalGal on Jun 3, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nice stat work, However

Gasol ain’t those three guys so the comparision stops there and KG ain’t gonna have a walk in the park either on offense, Lakers want to limit him to jumpshots and lots of misses, this should be fun and make sure you watch to see how much skill Gasol has in the post compared to those other guys.

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by BrittneyM on Jun 2, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pointless analysis

For one, the sample size makes it irrelevant. You can’t extrapolate the small time that Garnett was off the floor (as he averaged 34 min/game) into larger figures. And in any case, as others have pointed out, all three are so inferior to Gasol on the offensive end it makes such comparisons largely pointless.

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by Ben R on Jun 2, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing to note is...

all these players are undersized Power forwards, Beasley and Lewis at least both having a history of wilting under pressure, and all who struggle against length.

And when KG comes off, you have to examine who defends them. Beasley, Jamison and Lewis are all stretch fours who spend much time out on the perimeter, but all the Celtics’ bigs asides from KG are big post defenders. Sheed is old, Big Baby unfit, and Perkins very large. Their effectiveness in chasing players like Jamison, Lewis and Beasley around the perimeter is obviously extremely limited.

Also, I’d be interested to see the sample size in KG vs non-KG, as some numbers there glare out. I highly doubt Jamison’s 0 turnovers per 36 against the Celts with KG out is over any significant timespan of sample space, for example.

And that’s not even mentioning the ridiculous drop-off in talent between Gasol and those three, either.

KG is still a good defender, he will be until the day he retires. Physically, he’s not there, but the mental aspect is so great in his case that it to an extent compensates. The end point is, Gasol is far better than he was in 08, meanwhile KG has significantly dropped off.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 1:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The inverse is true as well.

Looking at Gasol, he’s gotten better as the playoffs have gone on – and if a somewhat-hobbled KG and a technical-hobbled Perk don’t provide ample defense, then it’s going to get ugly.

Whichever lens you’re looking through, we won’t really know until the playoffs.

Stating that… well, even alluding to the statement that because KG ‘beat-up’ on lesser players he’s going to do the same on Gasol is simply flawed from the onset.

Clearly, this isn’t 2008. KG isn’t the same physical beast he was then, and Gasol isn’t going to come into this contest underprepared, all wide eyes and woolly hair.
Like-wise Perk: forget him getting another T, even just having Damacles Sword hanging over him in the form of The Seventh Tech is going to alter the way he plays the game. It can’t help but do so.

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

Good post Saurav I like your analysis

Anyway i’m off, for some reason I just can’t be bothered to watch of read all the old tapes/interviews/blogs/articles about the Lakers/Celtics rivalry.

I already know all their is to know and finding out some silly/lucky way in which they beat us in the old days is not going to make me hate them any less/more.

So I save all my hate for things that are going to happen (i’m pretty sure of this because that team has Rasheed Wallace and KG) over the next two weeks or so.

If the refs call this series fairly we WILL win because the 2008 Celtics got away with defensive murder – a ton of illegal screens, hand checks and hitting of arms under the guise of contesting a shot.

I’m quietly confident we will win and i’m pretty confident that my hatred for that team from Boston will grow too, I mean they got Rasheed freaking Wallace!!!. How does a guy play for Portland Detroit and Boston and NOT BE INTENSELY HATED by the Laker faithful?

It’s almost like it was his destiny to be hated by me and the thing is I think he enjoys being hated by me too. Oh well I will get the last laugh when Kobe lifts the trophy.

by wayde_316 on Jun 2, 2010 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

Ouch! Woj bashing LeBron again!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;ylt=Al1tTYBII0.enbHpVOX79C8vLYF?slug=aw-lebronshow060210

I think he will never, ever, be granted access to LeBron for interviews now. He’s on a row in LeBron bashing… Although I do not disagree with what he says

by mwl20 on Jun 2, 2010 5:43 PM PDT reply actions  

lol he is really shitting on lebron this time around

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 2, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah… I don’t know, I am not biased against LeBron. But even before the Woj article, I did not like the comments and antics LeBron did in the King interview. I think all “REAL” basketball fans look to players in June. July is an after-thought.

Woj just spoke my heart in an elegant and gutsy manner.

by mwl20 on Jun 2, 2010 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

how about Sasha-Kobe backcourt?

could we see the re-emergence of this? might be the best way to match up if Kobe can guard rondo 1 on 1

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by Justin N. on Jun 2, 2010 6:05 PM PDT reply actions  

That would be too much a give-up in terms of offense

I think it makes sense that it gives Ray Allen a better defensive pressure, but it comes at the expense of :

1) More effort expensed on Kobe/ Lamar to bring the ball up-court
2) Higher turnover rate, comparing the decision-making of Sasha with that of Fisher
3) Less potent offense. I think Fisher is shooting well-enough in these playoffs to have an edge over Sasha. Sasha only played little time over the past few games

Overall, I think it is too much of a sacrifice. But I see Sasha coming in for Fisher if Fisher is in foul trouble and Ray Allen gets very hot. I do see Sasha to be the 1st one off the bench after Lamar

Even if that happens, I think Kobe would switch to Ray and let Sasha covers Rondo, with the objective of disrupting Rondo with his pesky hands. Rondo is good, but I think he drops off significantly if he is disrupted before mid-court. We saw that in the Boston-Orlando series. Yes, Rondo explodes if left alone, but he’s prone to disruption early in the flow

by mwl20 on Jun 2, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

whaaa?

Sasha is just as capable of bringing the ball up the court as Kobe.

He turns the ball over, but not as much as Shannon Brown does

Fish is shooting I believe around 37 or 38% from 3 in the playoffs so far and Sasha can probably hit that with his eyes closed

I’m not saying start Sasha, obviously. Fish will still get his 30 minutes.

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by Justin N. on Jun 2, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jrich shooting slump????????? 51% from downtown, 22 points per game and 50.6 from the field?

How could you possibly say jrich was in a slump?

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by Bkj on Jun 2, 2010 7:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Are you STILL here?

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fine, i will NEVER come back on here ever again, sorry for bothering

i just like reading the previews on here that is all. Last time, i PROMISE

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by Bkj on Jun 2, 2010 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was kinda half-kidding...

And actually sorta impressed that you’d pop you’re head back in here.

But be fair: after the calls you made, did you really think you could pop back in here without someone hitting you with a cattle prod?

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by With Malice on Jun 2, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get mad............you are still welcome here.

Just quit whining. You lost. Get over it.

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by pslakerfan on Jun 2, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

dam things are getting hectic around here.

I am so fucking irritating with this waiting.

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 2, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know of a certain someone who could help you pass the time...

If you need some kind of “entertainment”…

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

settle down Cal, settle down.

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by pslakerfan on Jun 2, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol..

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 3, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

haha irritated?
I am so fucking irritating with this waiting.

sounds like a thats what she said

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by Czheck on Jun 2, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol..

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 3, 2010 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry Bkj

History is cruel to the losers. I tried to argue that LeBron was injured in the playoffs, but such reasoning was futile. And this is a Laker blog. The Suns lost to the Lakers, so Laker fans can say whatever they want about the series. Don’t get on yourself; Phoenix had a tremendous season. But LA’s just too damn good.

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by WaveOcean on Jun 2, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

those were his playoff stats...

but in the specific series against the Lakers, it was 16 points for 48.6% from the field, 40% from deep, which is a slump in comparison to his overall playoff numbers

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

watching game 6 again

sasha jus hit that dragon dude

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by Czheck on Jun 2, 2010 10:34 PM PDT reply actions  

It must be purple and gold glasses you're wearing....

It’s cool to love your team and think positive, but see with your eyes , not your heart. Short and simple—PG advantage Rondo SG advantage Kobe SF advantage (LA local Pierce) PF to close to call C again to close to call Bench Boston by a hair Coach to many intangibles to see an advantage. Looks like an epic series that will define (fairly or not) some HO Famers. Good work on something you have obviously given a lot of thought to.

by cementhead on Jun 3, 2010 3:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I find that... interesting.

Really?
Pierce an advantage?
Do you really think that Pierce (who’s averaging a PHENOMENAL 19.1 ppg through the playoffs), is going to “do a number” on Artest offensively?
Artest isn’t going to score heaps, but then… that’s not his role. What have you seen thus far that would indicate that Pierce is going to revert back to 2008? And when he’s on D, he’ll probably have to cover Kobe – when he can. Playing that kind of ball at both ends is going to get tiresome for “Priscilla”.

Gasol is perhaps at the peak of his abilities, and Garnett… well, suffice to say merely that Garnett “is not”.

And the best part: claiming a wash on coaches…

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by With Malice on Jun 3, 2010 3:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed.

must not have been watching artest play much?

by lakers are trouble on Jun 3, 2010 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

want to sum it up like that...

PG: Big advantage Rondo
SG: Big advantage Kobe
SF: Miniscule advantage Pierce
PF: Small advantage Pau (sure, KG can limit Pau to ~15ppg… but KG struggled to drop 15ppg himself)
C: Even

Bench: Slight advantage Boston

Coach: Phil by MILES (seriously, did you really equate Rivers to Jackson?)

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 4:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can see why you would give "slight advantage" to Pierce

But I think since Boston depends SO much on Pierce as the bail out guy, Artest’s defense actually might actually give the Lakers the advantage here. What Artest gives the Lakers is gravy, but Boston cannot survive without Pierce thriving.

by kv on Jun 3, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

if not for Pierce's propensity to get to the line

coupled with LA’s free-throw disparities, I would probably give it equal.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with ya except C=even

…I’m going in with the mindset that ANYTHING we get from ‘Drew will be a plus. If he can’t go more than a few minutes, we could be exposing Pau and LO to a lot of potential foul trouble.

by Whipp on Jun 3, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh... and Saurav?

I got a good laugh when I saw my “KG/Bitch” pic there!

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by With Malice on Jun 3, 2010 4:08 AM PDT reply actions  

haha, I was gonna ask you for permission first, but it was 1am our time when I was writing

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 3, 2010 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought this day would never come..

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jun 3, 2010 6:31 AM PDT reply actions  

ESPN had a nice stat last night on Artest and Pierce

(don’t know if this has been mentioned)

Instead of looking at the complete history of Pierce’s numbers when Artest was guarding him, they tracked the last three years.

In something like 86 possessions Pierce was shooting 23%.

The whole series comes down to this.

by kv on Jun 3, 2010 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Too cute for words!

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by SoCalGal on Jun 3, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

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