Have We Seen the Last of Jordan Farmar?
by DexterFishmore on Jun 19, 2010 5:41 PM PDT
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PrintJordan Farmar has been a Laker since the team selected him with the 26th pick of the 2006 draft. He's been a key bench performer on two championship teams but has started only two games in his career. This offseason, he's a restricted free agent. That means if Lakers tender a qualifying offer of $2.9 million for one year, they'll hold the right to match any other offer he receives from another team.
According to the Los Angeles Times, the team is ready to part ways with Farmar. Bring us up to speed, Broderick Turner:
[T]he Lakers probably will let him walk, according to an NBA executive who was not authorized to speak publicly. And it sounds as if Farmar is ready to depart after winning two titles. "I want to take a step forward in my career," said Farmar, who wants to be a starting point guard. "We'll see how it works out."
What's not clear from the article is whether "letting him walk" means not even tendering the qualifying offer, or alternatively, whether it means putting the QO on the table and then waiting to see what the market is for Farmar's services.
Farmar isn't the long-term answer at point guard. He had a nice little bounce-back season this year after a lost 2008-09 campaign, but he's never going to be a starting PG on a championship squad, and right now the Lakers are in the business of winning championships. If there's a franchise out there willing to pay starter's money to Jordan, he should take it with all our blessings. It doesn't follow, however, that the Lakers shouldn't tender the QO.
Let's quickly review the point-guard situation. Derek Fisher, one presumes, is coming back in some capacity. I imagine he'll take a one-year deal for a few million bucks and will remain a nominal starter while his minutes, especially in the regular season, continue to be scaled back. That leaves 20 or so minutes a game to be filled at the one. The Lakers have three basic options here.
First, they could spend real money (i.e., the mid-level exception) on a veteran free agent. Think Raymond Felton. This is the option that maximizes the talent on the floor and the odds of a successful three-peat. It's also the most expensive route. If the Lakers are serious about signing someone like Felton with the MLE, letting Farmar walk without even a qualifying offer makes some sense, since Fish plus Felton (or a Felton Equivalent) plus Farmar is a logjam at the position.
Second, they could just tender the QO to Farmar and see what offers he picks up. I'm just guessing here, but I'd be surprised if there's another team out there willing to give Jordan MLE money. Let's say I'm right, and that the best third-party offer for Jordan is something in the neighborhood of $10 million over three years. If that's the case, I doubt Jordan signs the offer sheet. Instead, he comes back to the Lakers on a one-year deal and becomes an unrestricted free agent in 2011.
Third, the Lakers could simply withhold the QO, turning Farmar into an unrestricted free agent right away. That would mean the remaining backcourt minutes are split among Sasha Vujacic, Shannon Brown (assuming he exercises his one-year player option) and whatever flotsam the Lakers can scrape up for the veteran's minimum. (Think Earl Watson or Jamaal Tinsley.) This option gives you the least on-court talent but saves you the most money.
Personally, I'd like to see an upgrade on the Fish-Farmar point guard tandem. Since Fish isn't going anywhere, that means upgrading the "Farmar" side of the equation, which means a willingness on the part of the team to drop MLE-level cashishe. Whether that's in the offseason budget, I've no idea. If not, though, the franchise should at least be ready to hit Jordan with the QO, so that they keep him as the fallback plan if the outside market for his services isn't too expensive.
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ummm....
going from a championship team to a lottery team is not a ’step forward", farmar. talk to you fellow alum ariza about that and see how happy he is now.
im sure ariza doesnt regret his decision
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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 19, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
i think he does
from everything i read he wanted to stay in la. and if his agent wasn’t a total dumbass for calling out lakers management he probably would have resigned with the lakers
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Technically, Trevor did resign from the Lakers.
What he should have done was re-sign.
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by The_Power_and_the_Glory_of_Robert_Horry on Jun 20, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
would you garansheed it?
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by Czheck on Jun 19, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Winning a championship is nice
but winning as an integral part of a team is even better. Farmar’s not a veteran player in his 30s. He’s been doing the backup thing for a while. He wants to step from under the shadow.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
With the exception of superstars like Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, and Kobe Bryant etc
Careers are more about making money than winning championships. Once you become that max-deal player or you reach what you believe your ceiling is for money-making then you can think more about winning. For a young guy like Farmar though if he sees a good money making opportunity to be a starting PG somewhere else in the league he’ll take it in a heartbeat.
Remember Ronny Turiaf did it too a few years ago.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Ariza and Farmar are very different.
Ariza actually benefited from being in the triangle, the offense was very conducive to what Ariza is good at: hitting open shots, and slashing to the rim. The reason Ariza regrets his decision is because he no longer has those open shots, in fact he is probably the primary or at very least the secondary scorer on the Rockets, long story short: His life especially on the offensive end got a whole lot harder when he was no longer the benefactor of double teams to Pau and Kobe.
Farmar meanwhile is actually hindered by the fact he plays with the Lakers, having watched him since his time at UCLA, I know what kinda player Farmar can be. The triangle demands very little from its PG as it relies more on constant ball movement. Farmar however is much better with the ball in his hands either scoring or distributing. The fact that Farmar is often on the court with Shannon, Sasha, LO, and Bynum doesn’t help. There are very little double teams to be had, as well as their are zero people aside from Farmar that can create their own shot besides LO (who is only effective driving to the hoop, not shooting outside shots)
So while I would be sad to see Farmar go, I wouldn’t blame him at all. He is too talented to remain a bench player. His window to become a starting guard somewhere is also rapidly closing as he has to learn a whole new system. I think Farmar would fit very well with teams that would allow him to have the ball in hands such as the Hawks (assuming Joe Johnson leaves).
As for the Lakers route you outlined…… I think they are going with path C, not tender an offer for Farmar, and get a very cheap point guard. Of course if they get Phil to take a pay cut,( which I doubt they will able to jedi-mind trick the Zen master), but they could go the expensive route. But seeing how the Lakers haven’t had a crazy good PG since Van Exel 10+ years ago. Buss doesn’t seem to inclined to add more payroll, and I wouldn’t blame him since we already have a championship without a star pg. Given Fishers age however, I don’t see us NOT getting a new pg.
In Kobe we trust!
He's 6-9 with more than a 7-foot wingspan
And he’s played SF, SG, and PG for the Heat. Some think he’s the Heat’s best perimeter defender. He shot 39% from three last season, 46% overall, and was an 89% FT shooter. He’s only 24, and if he can play a little bit of point for the Heat, he surely ought to be able to be a triangle PG. If any of the board moderators can get an interview with Kupchak, this guy is a much better PG option than Steve Blake….although I’m sure Mitch knows this already.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Such great statistics
Yet i’ve never heard of him..
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How much did he play though
like why does Mario Chalmers start over him with these great stats
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
He played three wing positions for the Heat
And he’s not a traditional PG. The Lakers don’t need traditional PGs to initiate their offense, they only need a guy who can spot up for three, defend the other team’s PG, and dribble the ball without turning it over.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I was more worried about the tos
than anything. Usually when a player like that is good at everything with great stats, but doesn’t play much its because of tos. While not a traditional pg he still needs to be able to handle pressure when bringing the ball up or when pressured. I like his stats though. I’d consider it. Too bad Wade playing with him overshadows anything he accomplishes
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
1.3 turnovers per 36 minutes last season
He only played 21 minutes per game.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Stats-wise i’d sign this guy in a heartbeat
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He was Miami's 1st-round pick in 2004
Right out of high school. So I guess I was wrong, that makes him the same age as Trevor? Anyway, he used to have HORRIBLE shooting form, but he’s turned into a 39% 3-pt shooter and 88% FT shooter through sheer hard work. The Miami Heat blogs love the guy, even if he did email dick shots that got published on the net, LOL.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Dorell Wright playing pg for the Heat
says Nothing about his ability to do Derek Fisher like work in the triangle. Nothing. He will not help us with speedy point guards either.
He would help with speedy PGs....
As a defender, he’s at least on the level of Sasha Vujacic, but with less stupid fouls.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 19, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
re: defend the other team's PG:
although Wright’s length and athleticism make him an excellent defender against the 2 and 3, does he really have the lateral quickness to defend top flight, traditional-sized (and traditional SPEED) PG’s? That being said, we all know how Phil loves extra length and size in the backcourt; Dorrell Wright is a very intriguing possibility…a Ron Harper-type, maybe?
Not going to be easy for those shorter PGs to make post entry passes...
…if Wright is defending them. Harper won five rings as Phil’s triangle PG. That’s 32 to 37 year-old Ron Harper with one knee that was destroyed and rebuilt. Think 24 year-old Wright is quicker than Harper was?
by The Dude Abides on Jun 21, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, are any of the FA PGs likely to do better?
Considering most of them are 30 or so…
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
He's decent, but he cannot work with the ball at all.
Of course, in the Triangle, that doesn’t matter, but when the bench diverts from the Triangle (Phil actually calls the Triangle less and less these days) there are issues.
And yeah, Miami will be cutting him, so he’s a FA who’ll probably go in the 3-4mill per year, 2yr range.
And Dwayne Wade is still Miami’s best perimeter defender, even with his propensity to gamble.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 19, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
and for those close 4th quarter games
but i doubt jackson’s gonna make fish come off the bench unless fish goes to him like odom did
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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 19, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Fish off the bench would be fantastic. Houston used a mature / young combo to share time in the mid-90’s when winning their championships (Cassell / Kenny Smith). If Fish could be available and fresh for clutch moments that would be great, while letting a younger guy keep up with the faster point guards.
i'm a farmar fan
i hope he stays with the lakers but it would be great to see him get a starting job
like ariza
i was sad to see him go but i was glad he was able to start and further his game
and im sure that kobe shadow must be nice to step out of and create your own
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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 19, 2010 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Ariza's situation is sort of different
He probably would have made the same amount of money playing for the Lakers and i’m positive he would have preferred to start at SF for a championship squad rather than a lottery team even if it meant him getting less shot opportunities. The reality is that the Lakers wanted Ron Artest instead of Ariza, which was absolutely the correct move.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
That on top of the fact that Ariza was demanding more than the MLE
If he had been willing to take the same contract Artest ultimately got, I think he would still be on the team.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Felton would be NICE!
Yes probably we can make a pitch at Felton using our MLE.
But according to the same article from LA Times..
But whoever signs with the Lakers will have to take a pay cut because they don’t plan on using the mid-level exception to sign a player. They will be looking to sign an experienced big man for the veteran’s minimum, which will be as much as $1.325 million for a player with 10 years or more of experience.
Hopefully, the most famous guy during offseason, “Source”, would not confirm that.
anyway
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 19, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you, sir
I’ve been following you in Twitter since you changed your avatar to Purple and Gold. My twitter id is “domidomdomz”. Just saying. haha
And thanks for that tidbit on MLE intentions
I should’ve mentioned that in the post but totally forgot.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 19, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet the Lakers will be willing to pay
Given the investments in Odom, Bryant, Bynum, Artest and Gasol (wow, isn’t it great to rattle off those names?) it would be nuts not to spend a few million to upgrade the PG position. Love Fish but another year will mean he is a bigger liability against the speed of other teams. He can come through in the clutch but is too big of a weak link the rest of the time. With a better PG they’d be blowing people out more and not needing the clutch shots.
Tony Battie for the Vets minimum? Rasho Nesterovic?
Those two guys who are worthy of the vets minimum. I like Battie more.
Other Available Big Men (for Vets min)
Shaq, Jermaine, Big Z, Big Ben, Nazr Mohammed, Joel Pryzbilla
From those guys, I would love Joel Pryz. I’m not sure what happened to his injury recovery though.
Pryzbilla is probably done, and I bet the other players would get paid much more than the vets min.
Nazr Mohammed might be a coup, given his rebounding abilities, but I’d stick with Battie.
Pryzbilla is earning $6 million next season for Portland
We don’t sign him unless the Blazers buy him out.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
damn i hope they change there minds and get felton!
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why felton?
he doesn’t seem like a good fit for our offense
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
So....
According to the transitive property wouldn’t LO be bynum’s backup as well?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
Not when specific positions are invovled
Yes, LO is Bynum’s backup in the sense that when Bynum is off the court, his minutes go to LO.
But LO rarely plays those miniutes as the team’s center.
If we do end up trying to get a new back up PG and let Farmar go
Steve Blake and Mike Miller might be some good options to explore, though Mike Miller is a bit pricey for a back up PG.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
any of those 3 would be great
3 of them can make the three and distribute the ball well (something Farmar isn’t that good at).
maybe Ridnour
though Blake might be nice too, hes a solid three point shooter.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
None of those guys can play D though,
Blake and Miller can shoot. They need the perimeter shooting, but I’d like to see them get a quick D minded PG.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 20, 2010 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
Blake would do well on a good defensive team. He’s smart enough to know how to funnel people. Remember, you don’t stop quick point guards one on one, it’s all about team defense.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Blake, Dooling, Ridnour, and Watson in that order
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I take them in that order:
Blake, Ridnour, then Watson…Blake might be a real nice fit. Heady, steady vet who doesn’t need to put up shots to be happy, but can (and will) hit the open 3. Not a flashy ball-handler, but runs a team very well. Watched him a bit in Portland, and was really liking what he was doing before the Blazers got Andre Miller.
Blake to me would be the best option
He’s a pretty decent spot up shooter and a better than average passer. The issue once again would be defense, but Ridnour is worse and Watson is way too inconsistent.
by Derek Fisher's Intangibles on Jun 19, 2010 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
You are right, Luke plays 0 D and he can't really shoot.
Watson used to play some solid D, but I am not sure he still can and he definitely can’t shoot.
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by Rich Langford on Jun 20, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I going all in on
Sasha Vujacic, maybe the Celtics series fixed him, and he can serve as a functional player again! Yeah!
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by malmario on Jun 19, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yea and he has experience at the point
not to mention a solid defender
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
and he has the attitude and mentality that the Lakers like.
I think he stays.
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when he plays calm
and doesn’t try and do too much, he’s impressive. He did make a surprising number of shots during the finals.
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His calmness in the Finals amazed me.
Even after getting called for touch fouls, when he’d normally complain to the ref, instead he’d look over at the ref, then remember to be calm, slick back his hair and walk away.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 19, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
And I don't think his facial expression changed once during the Finals.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 19, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
remember that one distincly too. game six.
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Sasha's biggest contribution
might be his expiring contract. He is a good shooter, but he is too prone to fouls 30 feet from the basket, giving away fouls and sometimes points. If he can stop that annoying habit, he may stay the whole season.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:17 AM PDT up reply actions
the Lakers could go with option 3 ...
And then put Sasha on the block in the hopes of getting Hinrich, etc. Anyone who is a better fit than Raymond Felton.
Of the free agents, I think Steve Blake is the best fit. But he’s not much younger than ol’ man Fish …
why not?
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If I'm GM...
Keep:
Kobe Bryant
Pau Gasol
Ron Artest
Andrew Bynum
Lamar Odom
Sasha Vujacic
Luke Walton
Shannon Brown if he doesn’t opt out
Re-sign:
Derek Fisher
DJ Mbenga
Josh Powell
Let walk:
Jordan Farmar
Shannon Brown if he opts out
Sign:
Whichever of our two 2nd round draft picks makes the team
Dorell Wright
Another big man if Shannon opts out
How’s this for our three primary perimeter defenders:
Kobe Bryant (NBA All Defense)
Ron Artest (NBA All Defense)
Dorell Wright (24 y.o., 6-9 with more than a 7-foot wingspan, can jump out of the gym, and most Miami Heat observers think he’s a better perimeter defender than Wade)
Wright shot 39% from three last season, 88% FTs, 46% FG, and played SF, SG, and PG for the Heat.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:27 PM PDT reply actions
yea powell is gone
don’t mind resigning congo cash though
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Right, that article says bye bye to Jordy, DJ, and Powell
But any incoming big men have to learn the triangle, and who can the Lakers sign for the minimum that will be an upgrade over DJ and Josh when you take the triangle learning curve into account. The one person I don’t want to see us sign is Steve Blake, if Dorell Wright is available. Kobe, Wright, and Artest on the perimeter could mean the best perimeter defense of all time, even better than Jordan, Pippen, and Ron Harper.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Dorell Wright can play PG
Imagine Wright guarding D-Will, Nash, Chris Paul, etc. Or he can chase the opposing shooting guard through screens if the other team doesn’t have a really good PG. Then we can put Kobe on their PG to save his energy.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I think about this...
…the more I’ll be pissed off if the team doesn’t pursue Wright. Can you imagine the amount of talk about the team’s “length” if they get him? It will almost be unfair. I can see Jeff Van Gundy going into a ten-minute rant when the Lakers hold their opponent scoreless for five and six minute stretches with Kobe, Wright, Artest, Pau, and Drew out on the court.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah sounds real intriguing
but can he really guard elite PGs?
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
i think he won the 3 point shooting contest right?
that would be awesome. if he can defend and stroke the 3. he would be a perfect fit
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Check out the Miami blogs
He played SF, SG, and PG for them. If he is a good enough ballhandler to play PG for Miami, he should be able to play triangle PG. Plus he shot 39% from three and 88% from the line.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
yes he is
There’s a lot of talk about Miami not re-signing him because they’re trying to bring in two max FAs and don’t want to give him anything over $3m per year.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Shaq will be that big man.
/sarcasm
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by SharksFanEst.1994 on Jun 19, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Ammo is somewhere there getting high, again
I’d like to get JP and DJ back. But no doubt, we need better big men to back Drew up.
I say Joel Pryz or Drew Gooden (missed him from my list above).
can ammo play?
he was…alright before he got injured, he must be showing no ability to play in practice or has no work ethic or does anything that would impress the laker coaches.
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He's horrible
Seems like a nice guy, and I appreciate the humor he’s brought to SS&R, but I’d be surprised if he ever sees the court in another NBA game.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 19, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Wha... what?
Wait, what?
Dude, Ammo sees the court every time he sits on the bench, Dex. Wow, and I thought the analysis and commentary on this blog was top notch.
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by 99bc99 on Jun 19, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know Wright has good numbers
but what kind of shots were they? is he a one on one player? is he a spot up shooter. We need a consistent spot up 3 point shooter next year, and I’m not sure if he’s a good fit, but that may be because i haven’t seen him play and dont know what type of player.
Remember g. payton, he had great stats, but didnt fit in.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like to thank Farmar for his contract year performance in the playoffs. Much appreciated.
The Lakers should sign Steve Blake. I wouldn’t shell out for Raymond Felton. His performance in the playoffs was……ugh. Steve Blake’s deal would be shorter than Luke Ridnour, I believe.
As far as the draft goes, I think it would be in the best of the Lakers if they bought a pick that a team is selling. That strategy gives them the opportunity to draft someone like Eric Bledsoe or Willie Warren or Armon Johnson. This strategy allows the Lakers to maximize the value of the other picks, possibly drafting a big and another wing.
Anyone want to speculate what happens to Brown??
IMO I wouldnt be surprised if they let him go.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
It's up to Shannon
He has an opt-out clause. If he opts out, the team should let him go.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i want to see shannon back next year
he was playing great up until his thumb got injured
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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 19, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He needs to learn to better handle the ball and not go for the highlight reel play. He ends up turning the ball over way too much.
I can see him leaving this summer.
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Shannon has a big decision
On one hand he actually was a big part of the rotation this year and he did play pretty well throughout the playoffs. His stock is much higher than it was to start the year and he might find more money elsewhere. Then again, he probably really likes LA and he’d love to stay here another year the only problem is that he there’s the possibility that his stock actually falls going into the 2011 season.
Jordan I’m almost sure is 100% gone and to be honest I think he deserves a starting job on a lottery team (poor guy, but he deserves the money).
The Dorell Wright prospect is VERY interesting to say the least. Can he really defend point guards at 6’9? If he can stay in front of guys like Chris Paul, Billups, Williams, Rondo, etc then he could be an amazing pick up for us. I’d love a PG with some athleticism.
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haha exactly, we need a guy to defend pg’s, not to out rebound them lol
If you think about it, every team we have to worry about has a very small, very score oriented pg, was going to go through the list, but really if you don’t realize this you have no business being involved in the conversation.
All I want is to find the second coming of Gary Payton, a guy who can defend and can hit the open shot! thats not to much to ask for is it?!
In Kobe we trust!
GP
played in a different era. he was allowed to hand check the point guards he used to guard which made him a great defender. those rules are gone now, so no one can really play that way. just a smart point guard defender is what we need since we have a good team defense. I dont really care about the regular season guys scoring 30 points on us, so long as in the playoffs, we’ll be alright.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Justin, see my posts above
He’s taller, longer, and younger than Trevor. But same body type, 6-9 and about 200-210 lbs.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:42 PM PDT reply actions
yeah
but the problem is we need to be able to defend point guards. You can say that Ron Artest is our best perimeter defender, but he can’t match up with elite point guards for long stretches. The same could be said about Ariza. Kobe was able to match up with Rondo because he was hardly much of an offensive threat, but guards like Deron Williams, Chauncey Billups, Chris Paul, etc will murder us unless we have a guy that can stay with them and keep them from getting in the open lane and getting too many open shots
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We occasionally used Trevor to guard PGs
And Wright is younger, taller, and longer. And a better ballhandler.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
but Ariza never did that great of a job. Chauncey Billups owned him routinely. Even then like I said it was for brief periods. The PG we sign needs to be able to guard elite pointguards for LONG stretches
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agreed
we need a pg that can deal with the small fast pgs in the west. kobe and sasha can handle the slower ones just fine
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Kobe guarded the quicker ones too
Rondo and Westbrook. Also Billups. With the quick PGs, a quick 6-9 leaper like Wright can play off them and dare them to shoot 20-ft jumpers, then contest the shot at the last second.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Let D Wright go
He’ll never guard a speedy point guard. You are wanting them to overload on one position. He is not a point guard just because he dabbled in it on a sub 500 team.
ya, but do we really want Kobe running after the Nash’s Westbrook’s Paul’s etc throughout the playoffs?!
we just need a pg quick and strong enough to defend those guys. He doesnt even have to be able to shoot that well, if we got a lockdown defender at the point we would be set
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That's what I'm trying to say
We can put Artest on the wing who we need to lock down, and mix and match with Kobe and Wright on the PG and the other wing. For example, we put Artest on Durant, Wright on Westbrook, and Kobe on Harden/Sefalosha. That’s the least amount of energy expended by Kobe on D.
Not sure if you guys were around for the Showtime Lakers, but the coaching staff used to put Magic on 5-11 Tim Hardaway and his killer crossover. Magic would guard Hardaway almost the same way Kobe guarded Rondo, daring him to shoot 20-footers (which he did, and would make a lot of them). The problem for the Warriors was everyone else would get cold, and the Lakers would grab the long rebound on the 50% of shots Hardaway missed, then go the other way for the dunk. Dorell Wright is much quicker than Magic and also quicker than 6-6 Ron Harper, who was Phil’s PG for the second of his three-peats in Chicago.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 20, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
exactly. The real Laker defensive weakness is against penetrating PG's
that would be the biggest question mark with someone of Wright’s size.
Chauncey owned Fish routinely too
I bet Wright could do the job by playing off the other PG a little bit. The guy is supposed to be very quick for his size.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes Chauncey owned Fish too
that is exactly why we’re in search of a pg mainly for defensive purposes. I don’t know Wright so I can’t judge, but my initial thoughts about a guy thats 6’9 is that guards are going to run circles around him. I could be wrong, hopefully Kupchak scouts the situation.
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I'm still of the school
that you defend quick point guards with good team defense. So if we can get a smart defender who is just quick enough and strong enough to go over screens and funnel those quick point guards to our 7 footers, then we’ll be alright.
so someone quick, smart, and strong…. any ideas?
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers could sign Wright for the MLE...
If they let Jordan and Ammo walk, and bring back Fish at 1/2 or 2/3 of last season’s salary. If Josh Powell walks, his $1 million comes off the books and we can sign one of our two 2nd-round draft picks for about $450,000. Same thing if Shannon opts out. We sign our other 2nd-round pick for $450,000. Then our PG rotation is Wright, Fish, Sasha, and maybe one of our 2nd-rounders.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:46 PM PDT reply actions
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Sign Wright and veteran big man (Shaq? Don’t think Kobe is down.) and that is an awesome off season. Have everyone healthy next year, and I shudder to imagine how good we can be. If Drew improves even more (and have him doing well along with Pau, along with continued focus on defense and rebounding), Sasha gets more minutes and just plays within himself, Brown improves his decision making, his ball-handling AND ABILITY/CONFIDENCE TO MAKE A POST ENTRY PASS (defense is pretty good, but everyone can always improve this)… then wow. You need to make this suggestion FB&G man, and let’s see what the veterans (Zephid, Darius) have to say on it.
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Yeah, I've mentioned it on FB&G before
But I’m waiting for a “personnel moves” post to try and make a really strong argument. Basically, the question is whether or not he’s better than the potential alternatives. The Lakers don’t need a traditional PG for the triangle. They just need someone who can play D, hit the open shot, drive to the basket occasionally, and handle the ball consistently without dribbling it off of his own foot. Shannon passes the test on the first three of those four, but fails the ballhandling test. And if he opts out, management will tell him so long and good luck. Jordan is likely gone. So who is better for the team at the Laker’s price, Wright, Ridnour, Blake, Felton, or Earl Watson? I don’t know if the team will be able to use its biannual exception to sign any of these guys. Ridnour is by far the best offensive player when you take into account shooting, creating, and passing, but can he guard anybody? That’s why I’d like to try Wright. The Lakers won the 2000 and 2001 titles with Ron Harper as the starting PG, although Fish started a number of games as well and was the starter throughout the playoffs. But Harper was the starting PG for all three of the second Chicago three-peat, and even then, he didn’t have Wright’s lateral quickness.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 20, 2010 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Jackson loves long guys on the point
But wright simply is too long there. I’m pretty sure that Brown is going to be playing the heavy minutes, like it or not. I could see Wright as a backup plan (3rd off the bench) not only for the 1 but also the 3 to spell Artest some and spare him minutes, at least until he learns the triangle.
I would also love to see Scola on this team next year.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
There's no possible way we get Scola from Houston
He’d be foolish to sign an offer at the MLE, as he can easily get more from Houston through an extension.
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you're like a dog with a bone.
what the fuck has Wright done except have 1 good year for a team that was average at best. The N.B.A. is full of guys who play well on bad teams, doesn’t mean they deserve a M.L.E. on a championship team. Not to mention if this cat is all that you say he is the Lakers simply wont be able to afford him. But i have my doubts
MLE?
No way he gets anywhere near the full MLE. I’d take him for 2 years, 5-6 million total, personally.
I’ve watched more of the Heat than I have of any other non-Laker team (a man-crush on Dwayne Wade, long story), and I can personally vouch that Wright is a player who’s not just ‘played well on a bad team’ (he hasn’t even particularly played well), but has the potential to excel as a role player on a good team, just like Ariza.
What’re you suggesting? The Lakers pick up a veteran PG? There are no good ones, and even the decent ones will be overpaid by other teams. And hell, those veteran PGs don’t even fill the holes we need. Hell, we don’t even need a PG – on offense Fish, Kobe, Sasha, Lamar and even Ron are capable of bringing the ball up (assuming Shannon and Jordan leave) – all we need is somebody who can shoot and slash to spread the floor and properly utilise the Triangle, and someone who can defend the PG position – which Wright can do better than the majority of FA PGs available.
He’s also cheaper than any half-decent PG LA could get.
Los Angeles are NOT looking for an established star PG. They can’t afford one. They’re looking for a solid energy guy who can defend PGs and fill the slasher/shooter role in the Triangle that has been missing since Trevor left. Wright can do that, and do it for half the MLE, too.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Ron can bring the ball up?
Noah has much better handles! imo
But if you’re fine with that… Not MY team… ;)
Even Pau could bring the ball up..
NBA teams don’t press, and thus anyone can bring the ball up.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I just remember whenever I saw Artest dribble
in the finals… It looked VERY awkward.
But you’ve won two in a row so who am I to judge… ;)
YESSS!!!
Exactly what I’ve been saying. Does anyone actually believe Blake is quick enough to stay with the fastest PGs? Ridnour? Watson (he’s 31)? If there aren’t any available lightning quick defenders, then you combat the other team’s quick PG with height. That’s what the 96-98 Bulls did with 6-6 Ron Harper and his rehabbed knee that was destroyed. Harper also started for the Lakers in 2000 and in half of the 2001 regular season. Does anyone think a 24-year old Wright is not as quick as a mid-30s Ron Harper and his repaired ACL?
by The Dude Abides on Jun 20, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
although the competition has gotten quicker since Harper's day,
I’m starting to see your point (no pun intended) about Wright. Blake may be the best available “tradional” PG on the market in the Laker’s price range, but is he really able to handle the speed burners 1-on1? Not really, so your argument about Wright’s length and athleticism makes sense in light of what eles is available. I just hope that whoever we get can make an open 3….on a consistent basis.
honestly i think we have no chance of playing a drafted player
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i agree
phil doesn’t trust young players. he like having veterans
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Bi-annual Exception sign Rasual Butler [or similar wing player]
You know how many open three’s a veteran wing player would get with Kobe or Pau.
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
eh, he'll only be in to score
in which case him and Luke would duke it out for the purposes. Shannon wouldn’t be affected really.
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How about Allen Iverson??
loooool just kidding guys.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
If he'd come off the bench
I’d say sure
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he has to take a huge cut though
he might not like it despite getting a good shot at a ring, and who knows if he would want to come off the bench. We saw what he did to memphis, I dont think the Lakers would want to take such a risk.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
he hated coming off the bench
I mean he’d have to come off the bench and embrace it.
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at some point he has to
even though he is of starting caliber, he has to do whats best for the team or not have a place in the NBA.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Even though he didn't like it, Iverson was really good at it.
The 76ers were a better team with him on the floor.
Lol ALLEN IVERSON IN THE TRIANGLE?!?! i dont know what would blow up first, AI or Phil
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by robi s on Jun 20, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes but the scenario I outlined above
Means that the two 2nd-round picks are our 12th and 13th men. They’re only going to play during garbage time. Meanwhile, we would have two guys in Sasha and Wright who can play all three wing positions, plus Luke can play backup SF, and we can also move Kobe there in some situations.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions
i still think bosh comes to la next year
if it’s a three or four team trade, i’d be willing to give up odom, farmar, brown, morrison, mbenga or powell, in any combination.
I think that's too much
for a team that just won back to back chips with minor overhaul (can I say minor with Artest and Ariza swap?)
i hope we dont trade for bosh
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i know what your saying butttt
all them huge rebounds and put ins!!!!!!!!!
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You are really not seeing what Odom actually brings us then. If we don’t have Odom, no team has the size to compete with us so they play us small and try to run us out the building.
Odom is our anti-small lineup defense. If teams play small with LO around , not only can we run wiht them still, we will still have our tremendous size in the paint
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Staying pat is usually one of the worst things championship teams do
That prevents them from repeating.
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nah im all for revamping
theres not much we can do but anything that would help they should investigate possibilities.
i thought we should have done more last offseason and before the trade deadline. its never good enough for me
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i dont remember the 90’s bulls ever making any significant changes….
meanwhile you got teams like the Piston, Spurs,Dallas and Suns that completely shot themselves in the foot by making these crazy trades.
Having LO on our team to back up Bynum/Gasol is obviously working since we have been to the finals every year for the last 3 years. We are going to make changes obviously (at the pg, bench) but changing a huge piece like LO would be silly
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The two Chicago three-peat teams had significantly different makeup
Horace Grant was the 3rd best player on the 91-93 team. He went to Orlando in 95. Jim Paxson was the starting “PG” in 91 and 92, BJ Armstrong in 93. Cartwright was the starting center for the 91-93 team. None of those guys even played for the second three-peat team, which started Harper at PG, Rodman at PF, and Longley at center.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 20, 2010 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions
one of hardest things for a franchise to do--
who long do you stay with a championship roster? I think we waited a little too long on some guys after the first Laker three-peat, but even the idea of loyalty and continuity is one of the things that separates the Lakers from other teams. A tough issue, though. Everyone else is retooling to take you down, but it must be hard to ship out guys that helped you win two titles…
Your irrational hatred of Bosh perplexes me
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killed my fantasy team
guy went from 42 ppg to 12 and ended up trading him. plus im a big bynum guy
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I like what bynum brings
He’s bigger, makes our defense stronger, and is very skilled.
I don’t like the idea of Pau and Pau-light instead of Pau and Drew.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Bosh is definitely not "Pau-lite"
His game is much more perimeter oriented (with up to three-point range) on top of the ability to drive, finish, and draw fouls (which he does better than any four in the league). On top of that, he’s insanely efficient at it, considering that he had a 59.2 TS% on long jumpers (for comparison’s sake, Gasol had a 59.3 TS% while operating primarily in the post). Bosh-Gasol would be a devastating offensive combination (Bosh on the perimeter, in pick-and-rolls, with driving room to the rim, and Gasol in the post or in midrange); that alone would likely give us a top three mark in offensive efficiency. On defense, he’s a solid pick-and-roll defender (which helps as fours are more likely to engage in pick-and-roll defense nowadays) and a much better rebounder than Bynum. The loss of interior defense is a legitimate concern, but I would think we wouldn’t lose that much on that end either — the number of fives who can “overpower” Gasol in the traditional sense have all but disappeared.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
If the Lakers had a healthy
Bynum they would have likely crushed the Celts in 5. If they had a healthy Bosh not sure what would have happened at all. Interior defense is no small matter at all. In fact shot blocking is what allows perimeter defense to function. Bosh is something of a fantasy league player. And, he is a bit in a fantasy about his own greatness as well.
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by kv on Jun 19, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Plus he operates on a team where he gets the lions share of the offense
Not saying anything Ben pointed out is wrong, per se, I’m just not feeling that he’s a big interior presence, like Drew. Maybe “Pau-light” wasn’t the best definition. I think KV has more of what I was feeling, and got it out better than I did.
I don’t want another finesse post player. I want a big body in there.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Plus Jim Buss would never let
Bynum go. That’s his baby.
Unless of course its a Bynum, Artest, Sasha sign and trade with Cleavland. ; )
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If the Lakers had Bosh, they would have swept Boston
Bosh destroyed a near-100% Garnett in the regular season. And shot-blocking is not solely what interior defense requires — succinct rotations and mobile bigs provide much of the same thing, and Bosh-Gasol would be a very versatile frontcourt, offering more switching and faster rotations. Bosh is also by far Bynum’s superior as a rebounder (17.7 rebound rate for Bosh as versus a 15.3 mark for Bynum). You can argue that Bynum’s size and shot-blocking are more valuable, but I don’t really see a significant defensive downgrade (if at all). Assuming we add a serviceable defender at the point in the offseason (as Fisher doesn’t step up the defensive intensity until the playoffs), the defense can still post a top five mark in defensive efficiency.
All that naturally on top of the fact that Bosh-Gasol would again, be an extremely effective offensive pairing. Both pass very well for big men, and Bosh’s perimeter and driving game complements Gasol’s post-up and midrange one. It’s a much better fit than Gasol and Bynum taking turns on the block, which got slightly better as the season progressed, but definitely never approached the level of synergy we’ve seen between Odom and Gasol.
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Umm.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
Comparing
Bynum’s rebounding to Bosh’s when their roles are so different in very different offenses is a bit of a canard.
The truth of the matter is Bosh is a bit of a head case who thinks he is a superstar, and if we understood that Bynum would be healthy there would be no comparison to their ceilings as players in this offense.
Bynum will be the best center in the league if he stays healthy. Not only an offensive, but also a defensive force.
The matter is moot though because Jim will never trade Bynum.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
This is Haberstroh's analysis of Bosh's game
"Teams with All-Star point guards in the fold will extract the most value from Bosh. In fact, according to Synergy, Bosh had more success finishing the pick-and-roll than screen virtuoso [Amar’e] Stoudemire this past season. Bosh shot a staggering 81.4 percent on field goals resulting from rolls to the rim, a conversion rate only bested by [Dwight] Howard. And keep in mind, that’s without an ultra-creative point guard to distract the defense off the screen. Ideally, Bosh’s future team would also feature an athletic shot-blocker who can flank him inside and protect the rim. The 6-10 power forward will surely welcome the opportunity to upgrade from Andrea Bargnani on that end as he has never had a defensively focused partner down low."
Now why would we want a hugely expensive player whose entire offensive game is scoring off rolls to the rim? And who as a defensive player is in need of an athletic shot blocker behind him, just the sort of player the Lakers don’t have?
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
you're right
those pick and rolls with kobe and shaq never worked out. a kobe/bosh pick and roll situation would be terrible… wha?
the problem now, is that kobe’s defender stays on him while the guy guarding odom leaves him only to take a charge when he gets the ball and takes it to the rim… lamar is terrible at finishing at the rim with a defender there… bosh would eat that up, imo….
Yeah
And having the best center in the league is an IDEA that sucks. Right.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh. Correction.
Having the two best centers in the league…
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Bosh for Odom won't happen
Why does Toronto want Odom? Bynum is the only logical choice really.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
exactly, not as though any of our debates really carry any real world weight, but an LO for Bosh debate is flat out silly. Why don’t we talk about sign and trade for Lebron while we’re at it for Sasha
In Kobe we trust!
Yeah, if our debates actually carried weight
Half of the league would be swapped around every offseason.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Where did this inflating of Bynum come from?
He’s good, but he’s definitely not the best center. Howard has a far less refined game, but his ridiculous athleticism makes up for it somewhat on offense and his defense is way better than Bynum’s. Duncan might as well be a center at this point because his mobility is so shot (and he defends centers and plays in the post, so you might as well consider him a five) and his overall game, although much diminished, is still better than Bynum’s. Bynum is about even with Bogut, who is definitely Bynum’s superior at the defensive end, although not so much on offense.
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I didn't say he WAS the best center
I said he will develop into the best center. There is no young center in the league who has is potential.
Howard is a beast, but he has being dying to develop a post game for two years now, his team desperately needing him to have one, and he has zero.
Lopez is a nice offensive player, but no defense.
And Bogut is THREE years older than Bynum. In three years Bynum will have surpassed where Bogut is today, and likely where he will be then.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:07 AM PDT up reply actions
with his constant injuries, I would bet
on brook lopez and howard becoming better centers
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
That's the bet
But Bosh has potential knee problems as well.
Not sure about Bynum. None of his injuries seem systemic.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Bosh's injury woes are practically nonexistent compared to Bynum's
He’s never had a major surgery, and his knee rarely crops up; he’s averaged 70+ games for his career.
Bynum has had two major surgeries and will require another one this offseason.
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Which is exactly why TO don't trade for him
But rather work out a SnT with The Bulls! :D
Will BaB implode if you guys don't get either LeBron or Bosh?
I know it’s been talked about, but at this point, getting neither of them would constitute a massive disappointment at this juncture.
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lol
Not “or”, “and”! ;) I’m willing it to happen! It shall come to pass…
Haha, fair enough
Enjoy the coming weeks and James Anderson.
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And from Mitch's perspective:
I think winning two straight titles and 3 straight finals appearances makes it more likely he only tinkers with the line-up, f.e. adding another PG, rather than trading away a starter.
True, but we haven't really had Bynum
As a “starter” per se for the last three trips to the Finals due to injury. Gasol covered Howard much better than Bynum in the ’09 Finals and Bynum was obviously highly limited for most of the Finals this year.
The psychological side of this is interesting because there’s a lot of factions pulling in a lot of directions. Jim Buss loves Bynum and is being groomed as the new head of the organization by Jerry Buss. Jeanie Buss (who has displayed far more business acumen than Jim and is part of the reason for Phil to stay in L.A.) opposes this along with Phil, who got fined a few years ago for tampering when he said he’d like to have Bosh. Then you have Jerry Buss, who has been stingy recently with money, but has always shown a cutthroat willingness to pay for championships, especially with #17 in sight.
Be interesting to see how that resolves itself.
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How Hollywood! ;)
Yeah, it’s going to be really interesting to see how this summer turns out for alot of teams :)
Best of luck! (In all other transactions than aquiring Bosh…)
Bynum isn't the best Center in the League...
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe Gasol is the best C
overall. Howard is 2. Bynum is 3 or 4.
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because
Timmy D is still out there. And Kaman, I believe, gives Bynum fits.
We also got Bogut, Okur, and Oden (alot more mobile than people give him credit for). Plus the defensive centers like Noah and Camby.
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Don't cherry pick
With a career-high 28.7 usage rate, only seven players in the NBA had more responsibility on offense than Bosh did this past season in Toronto. But while he has demonstrated individual success as the No. 1 option, the optimal scenario would have him paired with a ball-dominant wing or All-Star point guard to create for him.
“Bosh can’t be a No. 1 guy,” one league executive warned. “If a team’s going to be good, Bosh has to be two and a best-case three. I don’t see Bosh as a carry-the-mail kind of player. But I don’t think any of the power forward free agents are either.”
Teams will pay him to raise a championship banner and that will only happen if Bosh has other elite shot-creators that he can complement.
And other parts of the article indicate his superlative ability off post-ups and on the perimeter in general. Saying he’s only effective off pick-and-rolls is a gross understatement of his overall game. In any case, why you’re construing his effectiveness off pick-and-rolls as a disadvantage is also beyond me — we have a certain Kobe Bryant who works pretty well off them as well.
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Uh the problem is
while this analysis does not see Bosh as the carry the mail kinda guy, BOSH sees Bosh as a carry the mail kinda guy.
And again. I’m much happier having Pau be the 2nd fiddle in this offense and Bynum developing into the best center in the league in process, then trying to find a dominant offensive player to add to a team that doesn’t need offense.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Err, no, he doesn't
I’m not sure where this conception of Bosh as a selfish guy is coming from. If anything, he’s arguably the most low key of the free agent bunch this summer. If he wanted to be the first fiddle, he’d stay with Toronto. He’s pretty clearly stated that his priority is to go to a winner, and the list of teams he provided pretty much all have established stars present (assuming New York signs someone else significant, but that was likely his expectation in any case).
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He's pursuing a max contract isn't he?
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
What on earth is selfish about that?
He wants to make the money he’ll get on the open market. Would you turn down millions?
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HERE
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/06/15/20100615_bosh_free_agent.nba/
“I don’t want to be mentioned as an addition, I want to be mentioned as a centerpiece you build a team around” (paraphrased)
As far as the contract, he SEES himself as a max player. There is nothing wrong with grabbing all the money you can, but the problem is Bosh imagines that he is a top 5 talent.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Its at the 35 second mark
“I want to be mentioned as the GUY who people center their team around”
Sure sounds like a nice third option for the Lakers, huh?
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree!
He should come to the Bulls where he’ll be a TIED first option with LeBron! ;D
poor d-rose
even his fans have forgotten him.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, no way man.
But he would be the third option behind LeBron and LeBosh.
And he probably wouldn’t have a problem with that as winning is more important to him than being “the man”. So why not let the people who NEED to think this be under the illusion they are? You haven’t ever coached have you?… :P
yeah
And maybe you can get coach K to be an assistant coach.
If winning is so important to Rose why doesn’t he demand a trade to the Lakers? ; )
There will be no Lebron and no Bosh in Shy Town
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
- No guarantee Bynum develops into the best Center in the League
- How can you speak for Bosh’s mentality? Are you his psychiatrist? Watch his Olympic footage, see how much he loves playing with guys to take the pressure off of him, then talk.
- Also regarding the Olympic footage, watch his screen and roll defense. The Lakers’ biggest weakness defensively is still the screen and roll, and Bosh is an infinitely better SnR defender than Bynum.
- In terms of length, Bosh is 2 inches shorter than Bynum but his wingspan is only a half-inch less.
- Bosh is quite capable of being the athletic finish-and-putback guy, a perfect 3rd fiddle in the offense. The primary concern with Pau and Bynum playing together is that while Pau can take it out to 18 feet and face up, against the majority of teams in this League he is more effective working out of the low block, particularly considering that’s the most efficient way to run the Triangle. As Bynum is widely ineffective outside the paint, running the Triangle properly results in grossly under-utilising Bynum. Bosh, however, is a better 15-18ft spot-up shooter than any big man we have, and most big men in the League – not to mention his range can extend out to 20 feet and even the three point line, on rare occassions.
trying to find a dominant offensive player to add to a team that doesn’t need offense.
I don’t know how many times I’ve seen this mistake made. Allow me to be blunt: THE LAKERS NEED MORE OFFENSE THAN DEFENSE. Their defense is one of the best in the League, and performances like Game Six show it. Their offense was mediocre all season long and asides from a brief stretch against a Phoenix team when they tried to play man-on-man, and a short-handed Jazz team, it was weak in the majority of the Playoffs, too.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I posted the video
where Bosh plays his own psychologist, and announces that he doesn’t want to be an “addition” he wants to be the main guy who a team is built around. This is his own claim about himself.
As for me making the same mistake, Kobe is the best closer in the league and Pau the most adept center initiator of the offense in the league. All they need is outside shooting, but certainly not at the EXPENSE of interior defense.
Pau is a poor to average defender. Franky he needs Bynum.
As for game six showing that the Lakers are plenty fine on defense, they were defending a completely paralyzed offense. The Celts have PG how can’t even take a wide open jumper from the Freethrow line. HELLO? Its 4 or 5. They have only 1 go to scorer, and aside from Allen ZERO outside shooting. All the same the Lakers had DEEP trouble shutting them down at times, especially when Bynum was not on the floor. People like throw away Nate Robinson and Big Baby were DOMINATING games offensively.
The Lakers have a spectacular defender in Artest and a fine defender in Kobe but without interior defense, the threat of the blocked shot, the rest of the team would be lost.
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this is where Bosh says
he doesn’t want to play second or third fiddle anywhere. He wants to be THE guy. The guy they build a team around.
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/06/15/20100615_bosh_free_agent.nba/
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
“Pau is a poor to average defender. Franky he needs Bynum.”
- Tell that to Dwight.
And Rondo was nailing those jumpers on a decent clip, issue was he wasn’t willing to take them. Um, Ray, Paul, and Nate are all better outside shooters than anyone we have, and Sheed is decent.
The fact of the matter is, even though the Celtics’ defense carried them to the Finals, their offense still needed to be of a decent standard to not destroy the team, and it was throughout the Playoffs until the Lakers held them to the second-lowest points total EVER in a Finals game in Game Six. Crappy defense, ey?
Pau Gasol blocks more shots than Drew…
And Nate Robinson is not a ‘throwaway’, Nate is a dangerous scorer who can create his own shot from anywhere and completely destroy defenses from time to time. His issues are defense and maturity.
Hell, I still can’t get over you calling Pau a ‘poor to average defender’.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 21, 2010 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Pau is a rather poor defender. He was destroyed by Amare and couldn’t stop a lost-a-step Garnett who would rather take a jump until Pau accidentally insulted him. He tries hard, but if anyone gets into his body its a foul.
As for Nate, the D’Antoni with the Knicks didn’t play him for an ENTIRE month even though he was completely healthy – such an offensive cancer was he. And the Knicks couldn’t get anyone to take him off their hands until the Celts stepped up (remember, they are so starved offensively they picked up Marbury the year before) because they were desperate. Nate is a very erratic and poisonous player. Notice how “effective” he was in the final games.
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by kv on Jun 21, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
As I said, there's no point arguing with you. Subjective PoVs are NOT fact.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 22, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus the last I checked
Defense wins championships. If you were raving back and forth about how great Bosh’s defense was I would imagine that you were onto something.
Instead all you are dreaming of is more fire power.
All people talked about in this series was how much trouble the Laker length was giving everyone. And you want to reduce that length in favor of a dynamic pick and roll guy.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't win without good offense either
Don’t throw tired canards out there. As I said below, our problems this year were almost entirely on offense. Our defense was championship quality the whole year. Also talked about in the series was how badly our offense came utterly flat at the worst times. If not for a series of insanely fortunate (in a good way) threes, we’d all be singing a much different tune right now.
And again, considering Bosh simply a pick-and-roll player is vastly underselling his overall game. Stop repeating arguments that aren’t true.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
His success came, statistically in terms of %
almost entirely through the pick and roll. Its like saying Amare isn’t a pick and roll player.
Our problems in the playoffs were NOT offense, and the playoffs are what matter. Its all about defense and making stops.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
And to be on record
I would not trade Bynum for Amare either.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions
...are you reading Haberstroh's article correctly?
He scored 81% on pick-and-rolls, not that they composed 81% of his scoring opportunities.
And yes, our problem was offense. We got a break with two sub-par defensive teams in Utah and Phoenix (although Phoenix painfully exposed our lack of a consistent perimeter game with simple zone), but we were sub-par against two of the league’s best defenses in OKC and Boston.
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Yes I'm reading it correctly
It means that his overall offensive EFFICIENCY is seriously linked to his efficiency on pick and rolls. He is a pick and roll player.
We also got a break we didn’t have to play Denver who has torched our defense regularly, or Dallas who also would give our defense some match up problems.
Our defense basically played teams with ONLY 1 or 2 offensive options the entire playoffs. The Thunder, the only team that actually had greater offensive capabilities was the one series where the Lakers looked the worst.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The Thunder gave Los Angeles issues because their DEFENSE shut down our OFFENSE.
WE are a team with only two consistent offensive options – outside of Kobe and Pau, Ron was our third-leading scorer in the Finals. RON. The Celtics’ third option, whether it be KG, Allen, Pierce or Rondo, is a far better offensive player than Ron.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 21, 2010 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Our problems in the Playoffs WERE offense...
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Completely disagree.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
After this, I'd just give up if I was KV.
Source, please?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions
This is the source:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2010/06/15/20100615_bosh_free_agent.nba/
watch it and weep.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that, the quote that you botched.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 21, 2010 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions
you forgot
quicker, more agile than bynum. I would take any of the two.
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I also like bynum better, we spent all this time patiently waiting for him to evolve into the number 1 center in the game, and just as he is getting close we trade him?!
sure Bosh is good, but I think while Bosh is better than bynum by a wide margin, Bynum’s ceiling is much higher than Boshs
In Kobe we trust!
No comparison really in terms of ceiling.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha... that's right.
Bynum’s ceiling is about where Bosh is at, RIGHT NOW.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Bynum has now posted largely the same numbers for two consecutive years
And it’s not close to his ‘07-’08 numbers, nor has he really shown consistent strides towards returning there. Perhaps it’s because the overall athleticism isn’t there anymore or because his game has changed, but there’s such a gap between his play now and his play then that I’m not really sure whether he heads back there. If he does, it will be with a game entirely different from what he had in ‘07-’08, and that will require time. Bosh is way better than Bynum’s current state now, and if Bynum is going to get better than Bosh, it’s going to be in two to three years, not next year.
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Agreed, it will not be next year
In fact Phil going to continue to make Pau the central focus of the offense. And this is pretty much the reason why Bynum’s numbers have stagnated and will remain as such. Bynum is PRIMED to take over for Pau and Kobe when they start to slack, he is 3 1/2 years younger than Bosh.
The truth of the matter is the Lakers don’t need offense, and they certainly don’t need another max contract. Bynum is perfectly positioned to slowly continue to develop, working on his help defense and rebounding until its his time to shine. Bosh on the other hand is completely used to being the focus of an offense and imagines himself an upper echelon player in the league.
Adding Bosh is fantasy basketball.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
to be clear
“the central focus of the offense” means trying to push the offense through Pau as best he can as a remedy for Kobe’s tendencies.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't need offense?
We finished 11th in offensive efficiency last year and 4th in defensive efficiency (and were first for a good chunk of the year before we stopped caring near the end). A ton of games came down to offensive woes, not defensive ones. Part of it was the lack of shooting and integrating Artest, but a lot of it was Gasol’s and Bynum’s inability to share the block. Why do you think this offseason will be based around finding three-point shooting and more spacing options?
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For some reason you are preoccupied with the regular season.
Its the playoffs that matter. And in the playoffs the name of the game is defense.
Did you notice what the Celtics managed with only 1 and 1/2 offensive players?
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions
you do realize that good offense allow for better defense
if you can score easier, thats more time for your defense to get back and set up. Bynum hasn’t proven that he can stay healthy for a playoff run; he is still a black hole on offense that can really get back quick enough when he misses. The only reason I wouldn’t do Bynum-Bosh is because we don’t have a good backup big man. Playing Pau at center for a whole season would take to much toll on his body. He has already showed sign of fatigue this season.
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"Did you notice what the Celtics managed with only 1 and 1/2 offensive players?"
Wait what?
I can respect your argument, but you’re digging yourself a hole here.
1) The Celtics had much more than one and one half offensive players. Paul Pierce is as dynamic of a scorer you can come by in this league. Ray Allen is still probably the biggest three point threat in the league. Kevin Garnett is a huge offensive threat with the ability to finish in traffic at the rim and a KILLER mid range jumper. Hell even Rondo made all-NBA this season and it wasn’t just because of his defensive prowess. The Celtics built their team around defense but they were FAR from limited on the offensive end.
2) The Lakers offense last season lacked but you’re right in that I don’t think bringing in Bosh would help that too much. There were 3.5 major differences between this years team and last years on the offensive end.
- Artest for Ariza. Artest hit the three ball well enough, but he wasn’t the slasher that Ariza was so he probably was a net minus overall on the offensive end.
- Shannon Brown for Vujacic. In my opinion a mistake by the coaching staff. Although Sasha wasn’t hitting early on in the season I guarantee he would have obliterated Brown’s ~33% from 3 on the season.
- Injuries. Everyone on this team was significantly hobbled at some point in the season. ’Nuff said.
- Bynum more minutes. I think both Pau and Bynum operate well enough on the offensive end so I believe this was the most minor of all Laker offensive woes.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Kevin Garnett is a HUGE offensive threat?
Were you reading this blog after the first two games? He should have been shut down by the Laker bigs. He has seriously lost explosion and is nowhere near the player he was on the past.
And how did Allen the most deadly shooter in the league do after he set the record for 3s. He disappeared. Part of this was Fish’s chasing, but MOST of it was his AGE and fatigue. He was missing every jumper in the building.
And yes, Pierce is their ONE fantastic player. They had Pierce, a completely fatigued Allen, a PG who can’t hit and won’t even take a wide open 15 footer and a 6’9" 300 lb-er who also can’t shoot from further than 3 ft away.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
To add details on the Celtic dynamic offense:
1. A PG who you don’t even have to guard from 15 ft out because he refuses to take a shot, allowing 5 on 4 defense.
2. A starting center who cannot be given the ball in the post.
3. An aging PF who is deeply inconsistent and tends to take too many jumpers.
4. A dead-eye SG who because of his age and fatigue completely lost his stroke for the entire second half of the series.
5. A 6’9" 300 lb guy who is only effective completely under the rim, unable to take a jump shot.
6. A back up PG who is completely erratic, so much so no team wanted him. He can shoot you into our out of a game.
7. Wallace who just shoots threes, and somewhat undependably.
8. Pierce, the only dependable go-to guy, who the Lakers had a defensive answer to.
It was THIS incredible offensive team whose only chance is to opening things up a bit in the open court, is the offense that showed how great the Laker defense was.
The fact of the matter is, from the defensive POV, this should have been a 5 game series.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Rondo was shooting 40% from three in one point late in the playoffs
2. Perkins is a fifth-option offensively, but still can score in the post due to his size and strength, even if he is raw.
3. KG has always taken jumpers. He is also a Hall of Famer.
4. Then how do you explain Game Two? It was the Laker DEFENSE that took him out of it and made him lose his rhythm. In Game Three, 2 of Ray Allen’s jumpers were outright blocked and several others seriously altered. Ever since then, he rushed his shot for fear of it being blocked by Laker DEFENDERS.
5. Big Baby scored under the rim against us because his strength was his advantage against Lamar…. last year he averaged 15PPG through the Playoffs while over 50% of his points came off of jumpshots that extended out to 18 feet.
6. Nate Robinson is an explosive scorer, a better pure perimeter scorer than anyone we have asides from Kobe. He dropped 42 once this year, coming off the bench after a 1-month hiatus. The reason he was not signed to a big contract was maturity and defense issues, both of which the Celtic locker room somewhat cured.
7. Did you see Game 7? Wallace went into the post repeatedly, and scored effectively. He’s well known as being a great post player, when he wants to be.
8. Can’t argue with that.
Meanwhile, take a look at the Lakers’ offense:
1. An SG who shot 40% for the series.
2. A PG who’s only true strength is three-point shooting, yet did not hit a three until Game Seven.
3. An SF who Phil literally begs not to shoot.
4. A PF who still has issues handling double-teams and needs a strong offensive supporting cast around him to excel.
5. A hobbled C.
6. A backup PF who averaged 9 points for the series despite playing starter’s minutes and being assigned the role of our third option.
7. A remainder of a bench which flat-out sucks offensively and defensively both.
The Celtics averaged 87 points throughout the Finals. EIGHTY-SEVEN. That’s the Lakers’ job done, defensively. The Lakers, however, only averaged 91, which is highly sub-par, hence why the series went 7 instead of 5.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 21, 2010 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions
You refuse to credit our defense entirely...
You know what, I’m just going to agree to disagree and drop the topic. Considering you seemingly refuse to even consider any other viewpoint asides from your own, I highly recommend that you do the same.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 21, 2010 6:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you notice the Celtics lost?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
And they did not lose because of their defense, they lost specifically because they did not have enough offensive options.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
They
a). Showed how far you can get with a VERY poor offense (you can’t compare the two teams offensively).
Had such an anemic offense (really only 1 and 1/2 go-to-guys) the Laker’s defense should have shut them down in 5."...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you notice the score at the start of the 4th Quater of the 7th game?
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
And something to realise, is that while Bosh has said he'd like a max contract, he'd also love to play for the Lakers.
From showing up to our home games, to putting us on his shortlist when he knows that we will not pay a max contract for him, the clues are there.
Bynum’s contract is at an average of 14.5million a year, Bosh would likely make the same.
And please, instead of repeating the same tired statement of the Lakers not needing offense, back the statement up. The Lakers were consistently top-3 to top-5 in defensive efficiency last year, while ranging from 9 to 15 in offensive efficiency. This isn’t ’08.
And Bosh is a better help defender than Bynum, due to his superior quickness and athleticism.
This team’s core is stationed to contend for the next three years. Bynum will certainly not have ascended to Bosh’s level as a player in the next 2, and even in the third it is debatable.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions
To everyone discussing Bosh for Bynum.
I just realised that one of my first fanposts I ever did was on this topic, back when I first joined SSR.
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/1/15/1252644/bosh-for-bynum-thoughts
That was when the initial trade rumours were around their peak, and much of the same points hold. Plus, Bynum, while his prior injuries were freak accidents, can now be labelled ‘injury-prone’ for his Achilles’ and Meniscus Tear.
(PS: Back then I couldn’t write for shit, so apologies for having to wade through that article).
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope everyone does realize
that as much as we have been disappointed by Bynum’s growth over the past 2 years (even despite injuries), he would easily be a 20+ ppg scorer on a team where he was the primary focus, currently as is. IE, he’d be another Al Jefferson on a bad team.
That’s not to say we should keep him. He might grow out of being so injury prone (look at the Big Z), but 3 years in a row is a growing trend. On one side, you might say that’s extreme bad luck, and he could go the next 12 years w/o a serious injury, or he could get two more knee injuries in the next 5 years?
Either way, I think Bosh is a better option. Less injury prone, a good help defender, and even more mobile than Gasol, plus his mid-post game is better in terms of shot making. Gasol, while not a brute force, is a better OVERALL option in the low post than Bynum. (Drew is more effecient, but not at getting ORebs or dishing out assists) So I think the Gasol-Bosh combo might be better than Gasol-Bynum.
But, this does make me wonder about what a Odom-Bosh combo might be. Could that not be enough bulk?
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hey czheck, why don't you like bosh? he's an animal!
he’s got all the tenacity that odom lacks. he’s like a super-odom…
im going to put this bluntly
I think bosh is a loser,and will never be a legit player on a championship team. the reason why im so anti bosh is because we would have to give up bynum who is younger. I also think bosh lacks the heart needed to compete in the playoffs. I think Bynum has a decent chance at being a great nba player
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Here, here
If the tendons and ligaments of major league pitchers don’t fully mature until their mid-20s, who’s to say that it’s not the same for 7-foot NBA centers? If Andrew is still healthy next season when we get to March 1st, then I say we rest him for three weeks so he can hit the weights and re-strengthen his leg muscles, then bring him back for the stretch run.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
well, i'll have to respectfully disagree...
i watched all the olympic bball games, and i was surprised at how much hustle and determination the guy played with. i thought he was the second best player on that team besides wade. just tore guys up. i really don’t think ‘heart’ is an issue with him, at all. i also didn’t mention bynum at all, and wouldn’t want to give him up either.
haha right
i dont think they would want an old odom for a younger bosh lol. i see where the intrigue is with bosh im just not sold. that being said if they made the move i would support it
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they're not going to 'want' odom at all...
but they know they’re gonna lose bosh, so get the best you can for him.
thats true
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Its more about salaries matching up
whose to say that no other team can offer more than Odom and Sasha for what he’s going to be getting paid. I mean think about it. There is tons of potential for him to get put somewhere else and they’re gonna want Bynum no doubt about it. the best they can get is still better than odom and sasha especially if you include teams with tradable players and not to mention all the teams with all sorts of cap space. Just saying. Odds Low. Odds they consider your trade even lower.
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not if bosh forces it to l.a.
they love him there and he’s been good to ownership. i can see them helping him out.
yeah
but I can also see him wanting equally to take his chances playing with Wade or Lebron or hell even going and playing with Rose and co. It all depends on him, like I said chances are low, not impossible tho.
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They can get way better than that on the open market
We’re trading Bynum or we’re not going to be in those discussions.
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I don't necessarily want Bosh
But he was our best big man in the Olympics. Dwight Howard did nothing. Pau schooled him there ten months before he schooled him in the finals.
totally agree..
i couldn’t believe how good he looked on that stacked team. the spacing in the triangle would be perfect for his game…
bynum wasn't mentioned.
i love bynum and also will not like it if they traded bosh for bynum. but for lamar and some bench guys? assuming if bosh is willing to come off the bench then that would be cool. he would effectively be taking lamars spot except he would probably be more consistent
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
The last thing Bosh is going to do
Is take a paycut and come off the bench for a team. Come on guys, he’s been talked about as one of the most prized free agents of the summer for two to three years now. Let’s use some common sense.
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yea yea i know
just wishful thinking lol
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you
there is such a thing as too much fire power. i think bynum gets one more year before we have to sell on him because of his effort during the finals.
I think Bynum is a better fit. He does have a better post game than Bosh does, and with Bynum and Pau in the game, you have a great passer who can pass into the post with Bynum, then you can flip it with Odom.
I’d rather not mess with the front line we have right now since it is a strongest part of our team (after Kobe). Bynum’s biggest worry is his health, but is SOOO much cheaper than Bosh.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You're kidding... right?
Chris Bosh can’t spell “D”, much less play it.
Bynum’s still A KID!
Hell, people aren’t giving up on Oden yet – even tho’ they’ve FAR more reason to – and he’s only 3 months younger than Andrew Bynum!
I can’t believe you’re even considering giving up a legitimate center for… Gasol-lite!
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Bynum's only had two years' less NBA experience than Bosh...
And Chris Bosh is one of the superior screen-and-roll defenders in the League, not to mention with his athleticism he is a better help defender than Bynum in most scenarios. Watch the Olympic footage. Bynum’s been at about the same level the last two years.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions
To everyone discussing Bosh for Bynum.
I just realised that one of my first fanposts I ever did was on this topic, back when I first joined SSR.
http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/1/15/1252644/bosh-for-bynum-thoughts
That was when the initial trade rumours were around their peak, and much of the same points hold. Plus, Bynum, while his prior injuries were freak accidents, can now be labelled ‘injury-prone’ for his Achilles’ and Meniscus Tear.
(PS: Back then I couldn’t write for shit, so apologies for having to wade through that article).
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
i think it would be great
not giving up any of our core guys. except lamar but bosh is better than lamar imo
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
So basically Lamar Odom for chris bosh?
On the surface that sounds like a great trade, but I really like starting Andrew Bynum rather than having him come off the bench.
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problem is,
even bynum admitted that he’s ‘injury prone’. we know he’s gonna have surgery, we don’t know how he’s gonna react to it, maybe bynum can’t even start games in the beginning of the season. that or just bring him in for pau, playing the forward position.
And there lies the problem: Who sits: Bosh, Gasol or Bynum
The trade makes no financial sense for Dr. Buss, he’s already frustrated about the cap, the deal makes no sense on the court. The Lakers would be top 2 or 3 offensively, and top 10 defensively either with Bynum or Bosh.
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
on the flip side,
this could be the reason buss doesn’t want to pay out the nose for phil. maybe he knows he’s about to spend a shitload on a new player…
Ah, maybe. Bynum is due for a contract extension pretty soon.
Maybe in two years or so. Would you be ready to commit eight figures to a knock-kneed injury prone center?
I dont like the idea of giving up Odom
as inconsistent and frustrating he is at times, he is incredibly versatile and gives us alot of height. Sure Bosh sounds enticing but it will hurt our depth immensely especially with the bench.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
my thought was that bosh would have to come off the bench
so yea i think you’re right. bosh wouldnt’ want to do that or at least i don’t think he would.
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
if we are gonna go to that much effort/spend that much money to get him
he would definitely not come off the bench.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Maybe Odom
should talk to Artest’s psychiatrist? to get his mind right.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions
not necessarily.
bosh was saying on espn radio he doesn’t know if he’s gonna do the sign-and-trade. he also said he’s willing to take a pay cut.
The pay cut he'd have to take
is much more. I mean if he’s willing to take $10 million because after seeing Buss talk at the end of the game. I think one more $15 million player would kill him.
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If the trade happens, it will be Bynum, Vujacic, and filler
Any other scenario isn’t going to happen.
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no no no no no
bynum should never be traded, and neither should odom. These two are perfect triangle pieces.
Odom, yes, Bynum, not so much
Bynum’s passing isn’t up to par for an ideal triangle big. There’s a reason the offense looked stilted this year with Gasol and Bynum. The interior passing did improve as the season progressed, but it’s still limited to a bit of high-low action. It’s way different with Odom and Gasol, whose interior passing is picture perfect and very smooth.
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Wow
Ever since the end of the regular season till now, i complete forgot about the hinrich deal that was supposed to happen. Anyone still want him?
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too old now
would have been nice to have him this year but for 9 mill a year or w/e its not even worth it
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That is pretty expensive...
Perhaps Felton, ridnour, or wright will be a better choice. Man its so exciting talking about this
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hope the lakers change there mind about not using the MLE
Felton would be very nice
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Feltons overrated. Ridnour is trash
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, what do you suggest?
Drafting one? If the lakers are going to let farmar walk and if shannon brown leaves, we’re pretty screwed during the regular season, considering we dont do anything…
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This draft has plenty of good point gaurds
The thing we need to do most is strengthen our bench up with scorers. guys who can come off the bench and immediately drop buckets ala JR Smith
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Well hopefully Phil plays the guy
Phil likes the ones that have been with the team for a while, do you think he’ll give minutes to a rookie that has been drafted about 3rd last in the 2nd round..?
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He started Farmar in the PHX series back in 06 when he was a rookie
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
or 07, i forgot
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahh
The gold old Kwame stonehands Brown age. I am so looking forward to this offseason, so many decisions for every single team in the NBA. So who do you think the Lakers should draft? (Like any specific name?)
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Realistically I like Vasquez or Sherron Collins
Vasquez has the size. I see shades of Ty Lawson in Collins
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Vasquez is horribly unathletic
And can’t shoot. Collins is like the mirror opposite of Lawson. He’s really overweight at this point.
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Good point guards?
At #43? The list of “good” point guards stops after John, Eric Bledsoe, and maybe Avery Bradley. And we’d have to buy a first rounder to get a shot at Willie Warren or Armon Johnson, both of whom aren’t sure things (although I’d be ecstatic to get Warren). Sherron Collins hasn’t impressed so far in workouts and at the combine.
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John Wall*
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Luke Ridnour is trash, I just wouldn't go five years with him
I agree with you about Felton.
the lakers will probably still consider him
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
i never got the hinrich buzz...
i mean, the guy is good, just doesn’t seem like a pressure player to me…
i dont think we can base anything on any intangibles
because as soon as someone gets on this team they have so much talent around them to deal with stuff like pressure situations that it all comes down to their own talent.
lol @ rajon rondo throwin hinrich in the stands and no foul
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You should go on BAB and check out the vote for new tagline...
Rondo’s not too popular ;)
Hes an undersized SG
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
with great defense
he’s had a couple bad years since he got his contract, but overall I feel this system would work best for him because it utilizes his talents without making him have to handle the ball more or creating off the dribble a lot
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Hinrich would be a terrific fit
We’re just never going to take on that contract.
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I think the Lakers should draft their new PG like Denver did with Ty Lawson
Felton and especially Tinsley arent our guys
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Denver made a trade w/ Minnesota, it wasn't their pick, it was the Timberwolves
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If we have to trade up in the draft so be it
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
a pick from next years draft
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i too would like the Lakers to hit the jackpot like Denver did
buuuut we might have to deal with more NBA conspiracy cries :(
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We should have drafted a PG last year
09 draft was loaded with good point gaurds
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
great player
3pts,asts,rebounds shittttttttttt
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this is a while back
but the hawks had interest in trading their first round pick for 3 million dollars to help keep Joe Johnson. Its an idea.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Idiots
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
keeping Joe Johnson?
yeah I dont know why.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I dont think they want Joe Johnson anymore...
Dude had a horrible playoffs…
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can you say the invisible man?
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I think we should draft Greivis Vasquez, Sherron Collins or Lance Stephenson
They say Stephenson could fall mid second round
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Vasquez is pretty good
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Hes a PG in a 2 guards body. perfect for the triangle
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Stephenson will go before #43
Too many teams like him in the late first or early second.
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I like Vasquez too. I also like Mikhail Torrance, possibly more than Vazquez.
I would love for the Lakers to draft Alexey Shved with last pick or Pablo Aguilar. Good investment into a Euro player with excellent potential.
I'd definitely take Torrance over Vasquez
Better shooting and athleticism. Aguilar is a nice Euro-stash.
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Lakers have no bargaining chips, none, zero, nada, zilch, Kwame Brown is gone......
Aside from the core, the Lakers don’t have any assets any other team would want.
If the Lakers traded Vujacic, Walton or somebody else, a similar player with a similar contract would have to come back, the Lakers would essentially be trading one similar player with another.
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:13 PM PDT reply actions
Lakers probably wont trade this summer
But sign free agents and drafting is going to happen
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
both FA's im assuming
morrison will never play basketball again im assuming,powell may get resigned. anything is possible!
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prokhorov needs to sign ammo and make him a marquee player
just so he can sell ‘ammo vodka’ back home. i’d drink that shit!
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idk
Kobe said Ammo’s a GREAT player and sacrificed a lot to sit on the bench. lol.
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i can believe that he has game but
Ammo is just not physically fit for the nba. he needs to bulk up and learn D
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-KG's recent nightmare
Pretty sure that was sarcasm from Marty Mart
(Could be wrong though. I assume 99% of all Ammo talk now is.)
Morrison is definitely not an NBA player — the lateral quickness simply isn’t there and he doesn’t shoot well enough to compensate for it. He’ll be in some European league next year.
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Kobe actually said that Ammo can ball for real
and that he sacrificed his game to be with the lakers
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-KG's recent nightmare
Vujacic is an expiring now
So he’s an asset regardless of how he’s playing.
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Wright is someone like him...
Cheaper, too.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Vasquez is slower than molasses in January
Maybe we take Warren if he’s still available at #43.
by The Dude Abides on Jun 19, 2010 7:14 PM PDT reply actions
Chinemelu Elonu should get a shot making the squad
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:15 PM PDT reply actions
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isnt he overseas right now? 6 10 if i can rememebr
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yeah, so, we need a big who can spell Gasol and Bynum, Odom is getting older
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
id love a big who can score
i wish we had hakeem warrick
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Odom isnt old
he still has plenty left in the tank.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
didn't say old, OLDER, yes he's a big who's 30, his peak has almost run out
Just like a Running Back in the NFL
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yea i just wish he would fill that tank before games
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
candy!
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Inferring from that video...
I think it’s all about the gummy candies. He was eating rice and chicken meals shortly after that video came out. I suspect it may have changed his habits in a serious way, maybe even to the same extent it horrified most Laker fans.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 20, 2010 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions
guys dont forget we still have Luke on bench
all we need is a Decent PG that can provide some good solid minutes
No our bench at the moment sucks
we need shooters and guys who can get to the bucket and score. Mitch has to pick up some pieces or theres no 3 peat with the bench we have now
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
they are horrible
even the clippers are laughing at us
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but who finally got the last laugh lol
but i think our starters are really good that they compensate for poor bench… we just need people who can play D when the starters are resting…
Points too
If you dont have a scoring bench thats how a 10 point lead the starters established evaporates
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
as the Great kobe says play defense
offense will come in
Having a bench inept at offense doesn't help
Given how long the bench sees the light of day, they make far more of an impact if they can be effective on the offensive end.
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i remember people
saying that we wouldn’t win a championship with the bench we have now either. we won the championship with this bench, so they can’t be as bad as we think.
stats wise sure, but otherwise, we did pretty damn well. Let’s not forget the injuries that everyone went through this year. Luke, sasha, brown, pau, kobe, fish, bynum all played havoc with our bench.
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think we should pick up Rasual Butler ala free agency
Hed really strengthen our bench up
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my thoughts exactly, he'd shoot 50% beyond the arc if Kobe was on the floor or Pau
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Instant offense. Hes good size too at 6'7, he can defend
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally as far PG's go, I like Steve Blake for his outside shot in the Triangle,
Earl Watson, Felton, etc are alright too.
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Blake too
he plays under control
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
we need a big to give Andrew relief, and Pau
Kurt Thomas, Joe Smith, Muhammad, etc
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
hell no.
We need a Birdman or Sirge Ibaka. Someone who protects the paint
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by RA37thriller on Jun 19, 2010 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Except that kind of player
Is expensive and 99% are prized assets of their current teams. Kurt Thomas would be a great upgrade on Powell without question.
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cold blooded
next thing you know gil meriken is gonna bust out the cold play lyrics again
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im sure david stern would ammend the rules to help us out
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We want to be in the finals...
Not halfway through the playoffs
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
that is a pretty good shop'
even though the frame is off.
If the Lakers did a sign and trade (which will not happen) it would create such a clash since so many fans here despise him.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
i could see laker fans boo him lol
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People thought the same about Ron Artest
You can see how that turned out.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 20, 2010 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If he plays with heart, then we should get him
But the guy seems to only want money and have fun, he doesn’t give a rats ass about titles
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he would be way too expensive
theres not even a chance.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Yeah he'd have to take a paycut too
But that’s what i mean, Lebron just wants money. He said he wanted to be the first billion dollar athlete, after all.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
Yeah
It was a while ago… I’ll try to find the link and show you whenever
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I found it!
http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/14/commentary/sportsbiz/index.htm
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
...What?!?!
How did you… Wow you are incredibly fast …
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
LOL
Don’t worry about it, right shaqfor3?
=] muahahahahaha
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Nah. Bynum, Artest and Sasha
In a sign and trade should get it done.
"...where they don't play with a shot clock." - C. Sager
I heard Tiger already had achieved this at one point
Now he’s only worth like 800-900 M, poor guy.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 20, 2010 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
LeBron should play for the minimum and let his team sign him some stud players
He makes way more money off the court
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was listening to yahoo analyst Marc Stein
who believes LBJ cant overtake kobe since he has to win every championship from now on to tie kobe for rings and well winning multiple championship has become harder in new era
Lebron had the best team this season
Injury or not, the cavs could have beat the celtics in 7 at most. U can talk about his elbow, but every team was banged up. Im not sure what went wrong with the cavs, the lebrons mom-delonte west affair?
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Remember Delonte!
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i just found it didnt shop it
it would also garner so much laker hate you wouldnt be able to leave LA.
lol
it looks like someone just took Kobe playing in the throwback jersey and shopped lebron onto it.
Unfortunately the legend of MJ has long surpassed the reality of MJ. -Jevon O
hell no!
lebron would fuck everything up.
by lakerlover2by4 on Jun 19, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
anybody seen waveocean?
california waves?
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I know
I thought he was only banned for a day. I miss that guy
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he was hot tempered after some people called out a celtics fan who didnt understand a joke
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
a crazy turn of events
he was standing up for a celtics fan (i know right) and got a little too passionate but hey we all make mistakes
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hes going to make his own blog
thats what he told me
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in defense of the mods
he was taking over the blog a little. or trying to. but his passion was good, and was always fine with me.
Banned, forever?
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forever,eva,forever eva
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Lol
Dang that sucks, he seemed like a really good person.
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I can dream cant i?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebronjayz022508
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I heard LeBron really wanted Tom Izzo
Just so he could be in practice
♫ H to the Izzo ♫
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by bluexfalcon on Jun 19, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was not surprised at all
When i saw Artest on there
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
LMAO the 12th picture!
Hes smiling for a mugshot hahaha
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
deion sanders
he played in the NFL and MLB right??
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I dont know
But i was laughing so hard.
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
yep
he was one of the rare double athletes. He won a championship on the same day as a baseball game I believe. He was a ridiculously good athlete.
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jason kidd is so old his mugshot is in black n white
no joke
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by Czheck on Jun 19, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
as a raider fan
randy moss wtf man
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anyone see the Lakers on Jimmy Kimmel yesterday??
that was gold…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
"making sure they were as big as i thought"
i cracked so fucking hard, and ammo was pretty funny too…
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
Im glad this site is active again
it was completely dead yesterday.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
my power was out otherwize i woulda been here
this site needs more brian shaw
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yea lol.
Had to go to tinychat. Surprised no one else knew the emergency plan..
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which room, lakers of silverscreenandroll?
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
this:
http://www.tinychat.com/silverscreenandroll
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
was the site down?
i couldn’t een load the site last night
by lakers are trouble on Jun 19, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea it was. It's like they were short on funding and said
Season is over, kill the lights! lol
But actually, all of SB Nation was down. Someone fucked up
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2 smokes trevor lets go
only Canadians will get that joke
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it went down at around 11:00pm
though most of the day, it was relatively inactive.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
you were invited to the ss&r open bar party at the four seasons, right?
my favorite part was when jay-z and lebron came by to sing tunes off of reasonable doubt… what was yours?
by _logan_ on Jun 19, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
reasonable doubt!!!!!!!
very epic very epic. and rec’d
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anybody remember this? this could have changed our season
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Bro, agree, I think the more difficult shot was the lobb by Ron? What do you think?
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but it was tie game, we still coulda have won in overtime
in the okc, it would been game 7
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
I think without Ron's shot, we lost in overtime, I think without Artest D, we lose to OKC.
Just my Opinion.
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
someone help me out?
i’m trying to find that quote earlier this year i think where phil was asked how important it was for kobe to have a healthy hand. he said something like, “well, basketball is a game where you need hands, so yeah, they’re pretty important” anyone help me out? for my sig?
google is your friend
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
Is Ron Harper available?
Pull his ass outta retirement. So he can hit a shot like he did in Portland.
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
Ron Harper was so underrated
especially during his years in cleveland, its a crime he never got selected to an All Star Game.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I like upgrade over farmar. let shannon go if he wants to opts out. we might be able to sign a good pg with MLE b/c Admon's contract is expired.
So the roster can be:
Kobe, Pau, Ron, Lamar, Fisher, Andrew, Luke, Sasha, DJ, Powell, A new pg, and draft pick
WE ARE CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't ever underestimate the heart of a champion." -- Rudy Tomjanovich
CJ watson on the warriors makes more sense. A big guard who can play defense and knock down threes. Sounds like a phil jackson triangle offense point guard to me
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"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Given the variety of free agents available at point guard
Whether it’s Earl Watson, Keyon Dooling, Steve Blake, or Luke Ridnour, that’s probably the course that the team will take. They’ll come for a reasonable cost (minimum or a little above it for Watson and escalating to the $4-5 million/year Ridnour would demand).
The draft will likely be used to fill the backup frontcourt spots and to find three-point shooting. If someone like Trevor Booker is available at #43 for instance, you take him immediately.
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so what your saying is theres a chance
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For what?
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to get a decent pg
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Yes and no
Decent options are available and all involve forking over money. The possibility is available, the question lies in Buss’ willingness to pay.
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Hey I heard there's this really good teen-ager point guard playing in Europe
Ricky something, he’d probably want to come play in the US right?
…….
Oh, sorry, Minny fail topic =/
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
isnt he the timberowolves draft pick?
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
is the tinychat down?
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negatory, it's burning up
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
hmm i guess i have to restart my cpu or something
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Rubio is honestly a horrible fit for the triangle
He can’t shoot, he can’t finish at the rim, and his creativity off the pick-and-roll is useless when the triangle doesn’t run the pick-and-roll that often and we don’t have the shooters to space the floor for it.
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Yeah sorry Ben R
Was joking :P
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yeah i really wish he would open up more
he has to be making tons of money off the lakers over the years. if he threw down a little more we could easily be a dynasty
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eh... we kinda are already
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I read that you said If John Scheyer could move laterally he'd be great.
I recently read a scouting report written by Mike Fratello, and, I’m quoting here, "Moreover, Scheyer has the mental toughness and intelligence to excel. He never seems get rattled during games. And his close to 90% free throw rate will be an asset to whatever team he lands on. When I look at Jon Scheyer, I see a Kirk Hinrich type player on offense. On defense, I see him as a Tayshaun Prince kind of guy because of his long-armed, lanky frame and quick feet. Scheyer should be a late first rounder and will contribute immediately.
Is it possible Ben R that John Scheyer falls into the Lakers lap?
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
no first round pick buddy :)
maybe grizz will draft him and trade him to us for sasha. joking
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I'd be fine with him at #59
He can handle the ball, shoot from range, and has a lot of poise. His lateral movement is really limited though. Definitely better options available at #43.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Jon Scheyer could very well go undrafted. I would rather use the pick on someone better.
Someone like Marques Blakely or Hamady N’Diaye.
Scheyer isn’t lanky. His wingspan is shorter than his actual height. Scheyer could be the next JJ Redick. So can Andy Rautins. Both players are expected to go undrafted. I would pass drafting either and just go for the best talent available.
He's most likely not even getting drafted.
Rated as the 5th-best PG pick in the draft, but this year’s PG crop behind John Wall is so bad that even the 5th-best PG is generally considered not good enough to get drafted. However, we have nothing to lose by drafting him, because any non-PG we draft at #43 or #59 likely will be cut anyways.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Bring back Shaq,Smush Parker and Jr rider
and see what happens.
fireworks for sure
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id like to bring farmar back i think he had a great finals
i dont remember one wtf moment at all
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Potential backup PF?
None other than Craig Smith from the Clippers. Hes way undersized at 6 foot 7 inches, but he is a flatout beast. He gives it his all every game, and would ultimately become a Ronny Turiaf like fan favorite
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Smith would be great
The problem is that he’ll command more than the Lakers are willing to pay. Trevor Booker, who is in the Landry/Blair/Millsap/Smith mold, might be available at #43, and I’d honestly take him if he’s available.
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followed him fantasy style...
and watched a few games. He seems to have a very inconsistent game. Odom fills enough of that category for me.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 20, 2010 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Earl Watson and Kurt Thomas a little bit better.
by rickfox on Jun 19, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions
Watson and Scola even better.
Kurt is too long in the tooth.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
lets find a way to take darren collison off new orleans hands : )
William Doolittle at your service, a.k.a. will do.
If we're willing to eat Mo Peterson's contract, then sure
In other words, forget it.
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keeping everyones
lakers win champion with these guys. the triangle system is hard to learn. getting new player may mess up. Fisher shall give the job to farmar and take it back during playoff :)
….speaking of offseason… signings……….. Ray Allen would be a perfect fit with the triangle. If Ray Ray was in the triangle, he would set the NBA record for most 3’s in a season, highest 3pt %
What a great slap in the face that would be to Boston, have Ray Ray take our MLE!!
It would be almost more epic than when we got both Karl Malone and Gary Payton in the same offeseason, only Ray Ray can still shoot the ball lights out
In Kobe we trust!
that would be fun
Especially forcing him and Kobe to kiss and make up. As many know, they’re not exactly the closest of friends.
by USA!USA!USA! on Jun 20, 2010 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
With so many teams with cap space
It’s hard not to see Allen getting more than the MLE. It would be easier to pry Redick from Orlando or sign Korver than to somehow nab Allen.
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man, i was thinking of this yesterday
i mean, ray is actually a great spot up shooter, he runs off the ball well, and plays great defense for someone his age. it would definitely push Fisher to the bench.
I actually like this idea…
by Nightwing184 on Jun 20, 2010 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions
odum needs to stay
odum plays very good lakers don’t want to trade him,,plus he’s good buddies with artest what happened to chemistry
Odom's not going anywhere
He has hardly any value in these trade discussions because he has little to no utility for an up and coming team.
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lakers only need a little tune up
fish needs to come off the bench hes to old these young guards eat him up
give farmur a chance
have him start give him some minutes an see what he can do,,,
Ron Artest "Champion"
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 1:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
PG suggestion...
What about inquiring to Portland about Patty Mills (or someone along those lines)? Guy flat-out PLAYED in the Olympics, and he’s getting barely any court-time at the Blazers.
Plus, Saurav & I would LOVE to have an Aussie playing at LA…
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
It doesn't exactly reassure me that one of my house captains used to play Patty Mills in one-on-one...
Despite being 6 years younger. He won quite a bit of the games, too.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
If Farmar does leave; how about Jose Calderon?
I was just reading some articles on Hoopsworld about teams jockeying for position on a possible sign and trade for Bosh
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16523
Pretty interesting right? Is Calderon any good?
Can't defend for shit.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Calderon is a pretty amazing offensive player
He’s extremely efficient (60+ TS% for two consecutive seasons before posting a worse mark last season because of a fluky year from the line, and he managed to be part of the 50-40-90 club in ‘07-’08) on top of a a TO rate below 10 for three consecutive years and an assist rate above 40 in two consecutive years before posting a 36.2 mark this year because Toronto was horrible. So essentially on 40% of his possessions, he had an assist. That’s amazing.
That said, he’s a huge liability on defense because of hip injuries that have impaired his movement and his contract is pretty huge. Wouldn’t expect us to trade for him.
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Also, his efficiency and nice A/T ratio is partially due to being extremely deliberate in his actions.
Only takes the most open of shots, which is a good thing, but only makes the most basic passes (both a good and a bad thing) and never pushes the pace.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
With the Triangle, he is actually playing the PG much of the time.
It’s on the defensive end that we need a PG. Other than that, we don’t need a PG as much as a shooter who doesn’t screw with our rotation too much.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Devin Harris?
Any chance the Lakers can still get him? Pretty good defensive pg and dribble penetrator. Jerry West said the lakers needed another penetrator besides Kobe.
Can't shoot.
And we do need spacing.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 20, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions
That's interesting idea
because there has been some question about his chemistry with the new net coach Johnson. The nets don’t really have a PG alternative, so maybe a sign and trade with Farmer? Another problem with Harris is that his contract is a little out of line. Its at 9 mil. I’m sure the Nets would like to get rid of him, but 9 mill is too much.
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by kv on Jun 20, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure glad I'm not Mitch Kupchak.
Seems like revamping/tweaking the roster is going to be really difficult given the cap constraints and the limited talent available for limited money. Sorry for stating the obvious. ; )
PG
We need a guy who can shoot and play D. He doesn’t have to be a spectacular playmaker, rebounder or slasher but we need spacing, smart play and defense. Funny thing is I am describing a younger D Fish….of course nobody can duplicate Derek’s INTANGIBLES.
Sounds like Farmar
He played good D in the finals, though not against stiff offensive competition. Unfortunately he is a streaky shooter and has in this past season, made some bad decisions in transition.
I actually think he is worthwhile to offer the minimum qualifying offer and let someone else offer him more. Though, Mitch usually plays his cards close to his sleeve, and I am sure the Lakers will consider matching the offer or letting him walk if someone offers the MLE.
Other than the Hawks, Pacers, and Raptors, there are no teams that will even consider Farmar as a starter (there I said it), and these guys are long shots. His options are extremely limited.
My bad
Knock the Hawks off my short list, Bibby not a FA. So choose between the Pacers and Raptors to start Farmar.
Farmar dont leave all the plants will die!
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dammit czheck…
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This is plain as day
The article in the LA Times is pure BS. First off, it’s an NBA Exec, not a Laker exec. So it’s the “feeling” of someone who does not work for the NBA that they will let Jordan Farmar walk. Whoopity Do.
Second reason this is BS is because after winning two championships in a row, after a thrilling 7 game series between the sport’s top two rivals…. well, you need something different to write about to earn your paycheck. And what gets more readers? Feel good stories, or stories that cause debate?
I think it’s pretty obvious that the Lakers will tender Farmar an offer. He could start for many lesser teams, and in a triangle system, a great PG is not necessary. The only thing holding him back, IMO, is his 3 point shooting ability. This is the primary reason the Lakers have kept onto Fisher for so long (never mind the toughness and good team D bonus he brings).
Really, it’s up in the air on Shannon Brown, Vujacic (via trade), and Farmar on who stays. None is a future great starter, and all have flaws in one part of their game that the other player excels at, and vice versa.
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Starters are short list
He’d only start for the Pacers or Toronto. Why would he want to leave the great city of LA for either of those two places? Not that I would complain about Toronto (sorry Indianapolis).
he could start in
Miami
New York
New Jersey (if they really trade Harris, but I don’t think they will…. hello, they hired Avery Johnson! Dallas, 2006 anyone?)
Detroit
Charlotte (if Felton is gone)
Washington (but they’ll draft Wall)
Minnesota (that team is 2 big men and 10 point guards still, right?)
Sacramento
Memphis
obviously some of these teams have what we would consider an entrenched starting pg, but IMO he’s atleast as good as some of those (Mike Conley or Mario Chalmers, for example).
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Dare the Lakers solve their future PG problems with Ammo 2.0?
Or…
The love child between Adam Morrison and Luke Walton?
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???
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Farmer & Fisher are perfect
Farmer & Fisher are both Good enough for the Lakers for the next year at least.
by Amanda Hugginkiss on Jun 20, 2010 10:01 PM PDT reply actions
Championship Repeats
The reason Michael Jordan was able to piece together his repeats is because he had a TEAM of players that were all willing to see the goal at the end as being far greater than their own individual personal goals. These young kids today think it’s so easy out there when they go on to other teams and find out too late…“I shoulda’ stayed for less money!”. Wouldn’t it be better to have 5 rings with you and then move on than to have one ring, or two rings, to move on with just because you’re looking for the opportunity to go where you can be the starter? Look at Fisher, he was lucky to be brought back. The true lesson to be learned in life is that it is NOT always GREENER on the other side…unfortunately, we all have to learn it for ourselves. Good luck Farmar, I always enjoyed watching you play and hope to do so for several years but I do understand.
The priority for any player in Farmar's position is to make money
He’s young, has a bit of upside, and definitely can show his chops in a different system that doesn’t diminish the role of a traditional PG so much. If he can parlay that into a half-decent contract ($10-12 million), then he should take it and leave. Even if he’s going from a championship team to basketball Siberia, it’s the responsible decision to maximize his earning potential at the moment. If he’s successful in another system, then his next contract will be a fairly decent sized one that goes through his prime. Then maybe he signs a shorter one with the same team or another one that continues until he’s in his early 30s. At this point, he’s nearing the twilight of his career and has already made the big dollars he’s capable of making. Then and only then should he start caring about getting another ring over money. There’s a reason you see veteran role players latching onto contenders. They want the last gasp before their career ends.
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Farmar and Shannon Brown are handcuffing each other
I think the best course of action is for the Lakers to keep one and let the other walk. They both know the system, and the main problem is that for the last 2 years they’ve basically platooned the backup PG role on the Lakers. Either one player gets dropped from the rotation from each game at random, or you get this 24-12-12 breakdown where neither player has enough time to get loose on the court. Yes, I know late in this season Brown moved over to take Sasha’s role as the backup SG, but backing up Kobe Bryant means barely playing. We’re stuck with Sasha next year, so what the Lakers really should do is decide between Brown and Farmar to invest another couple of years in, and see if they can earn the role as the main PG.
Alternatively, if both Shannon Brown and Farmar are willing to defer for the 3-peat, Brown can pick up his option and Farmar can accept the QO, and we can have this discussion again next summer.
humor my imagination for a second...
what if the lakers retain farmar and trade for the rights to ricky rubio? he’ll be in a place where he wants to be and might be willing to sign for lesser money…
of course im just having fun with my imagination…
When will people learn.. the greatest of all time wore number 32 and wore purple and gold....
For everyone who thinks Farmar can't get any better
3-4 years ago, if I had told you Aaron Brooks would be a better player than Jordan Farmar, and it wouldn’t even be close… well, you’d laugh and call me an idiot.
The point is… you can’t always tell what a player is going to be once they HAVE the starting job, and there is no way they can lose it.
I don’t know how many people remember, but when Derek Fisher was first with the team, he had a hard time winning the starting job, mostly due to inconsistency when given the chance. But by 2002, with no more real threat to his job, Fisher started to finally play well and consistently.
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