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These Los Angeles Lakers and Boston Celtics Haven't Played a Good NBA Finals

Quite simply, these first four games of the 2010 NBA Finals have been ugly. Sure, both teams are better on the defensive end than the offensive end, and the slow, low-scoring brand of basketball produced by this does wonders in turning away the casual fan, but there's even more to it than that. While a fan who is passionate about basketball will often take joy in the old-school, physical, defense-first 'smash mouth' style of basketball that these two teams have a potential to play, neither team has even effectively achieved that style of play for extended periods.

Obviously, the refs' wanting to ensure that the physical nature of the series stays within their control has been detrimental to the players' ability to play physical (though that was somewhat improved last game), and the foul trouble has made it tough for coaches to put their best players out on the floor, but like with most aspects of the game, the blame for this cannot be placed solely on the refs. 

Essentially, a lot of players in this series look like they want no part in it. Lamar Odom, it goes without saying, seems to be shrinking by the day. Many of the Celtics' starters look old and unimpressive compared to their dominance of the Orlando Magic and the manner in which they resplendently ripped the souls of the Cleveland Cavaliers out with their bare hands. The Lakersbench is quite simply ugly. Ron Artest is going from one spectrum of being terrible offensively to the other, before simply settling on missing good shots most of the time.

Star-divide

For all the talk about this being 'David Stern's preferred series' and all the hype around the Lakers-Celtics historical rivalry, this series has been the exact opposite of riveting basketball. There's little of the edge that surrounded it in '08, or the sheer force of will and determination on either side. In '08, the Lakers were a Cinderella-story team, rebounding from one of the worst offseasons in team history to being championship contenders. The Celtics, meanwhile, were the group of aging stars surrounded by young talent and key role players, all desperate for a championship and willing to sacrifice individual rewards for the end goal. They were a team that truly lived by their 'Ubuntu' philosophy.

Now the Celtics are an old team that's had not only issues in their play coupled with injury issues all season, but also chemistry issues mainly centered around an aging core reluctant to allow the team's new superstar to take charge. Their trash-talking has gotten old, their arrogance annoying. And for most of the season, they didn't even play well. Then the playoffs started, and a whole new monster roared out of the gates. Their first round went largely unnoted due to their irrelevant opponent, but they then shocked the world in ripping out Cleveland's heart and soul before looking well on their way to sweeping the Magic before Dwight Howard and Jameer Nelson valiantly tried to hold them off without any help. Their regular season forgotten, they looked like a dangerous team. But now, in the Finals, it seems they've run out of gas. They're nowhere near as bad as they were in the regular season, but they're nowhere near as impressive as they were in the last two rounds, or in '08 either.

The Lakers, conversely, are simply... unimpressive. One of the best collections of top-heavy talent put together in recent league history, they've consistently played below their potential and have disappointed fans often along the way. Their regular season went from good to injury-plagued to downright depressing. Their first-round series was one of the most exciting of the playoffs but then, faced with an underwhelming foe in the second round, they simply took care of business. They looked to continue their rather strong play all through the conference finals, simply out-talenting the Suns, until they displayed a glaring flaw in an ability to score on a zone defense whilst simultaneously playing solid defense themselves. Nonetheless, thanks to their collection of talent, some luck, and Kobe Bryant, they made it through to the Finals. Now, they just seem tired. Their lack of depth consistently hurts them. They seem confused and exhausted, many seem like they just want to go on holiday. Their offense, seemingly revived in the second and third rounds, has once again disappeared when faced with a strong defense.

And then there's the injuries. Andrew Bynum's knee, Rajon Rondo's leg, Rasheed Wallace's back, Kobe Bryant's whole body, Lamar Odom's shoulder, Kendrick Perkins' knee, Shannon Brown's hand, Ron Artest's hand. Half the rotation players on both teams are injured and cannot perform at 100%. Of course, when teams have played over 100 games in a season, injuries pile up, but it's gotten to the level where it's just ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong, both these teams are stacked with extraordinary talent, and are generally two of the best defenses one will have the experience of seeing. But they both have some fatal flaws. The Celtics as a team are pretty mediocre shooters, and they are old. The Lakers as a team can't execute offensively, and have few players truly willing to hustle and fight it out to the last. That's fine, every team has flaws, but in the Finals teams are meant to step it up, and that simply hasn't really happened so far this series.

There's been no extraordinary intensity, no big raise in play from the earlier rounds of the playoffs. There hasn't even been much of a rivalry between these two teams on display. Unlike Christmas Day '08, where both teams seemed ready to take it to each other, particularly the Lakers, here it seems neither team wants any part of the other. From KG raising his hands and walking off every time a volatile scenario threatens to unfold, to Perkins shutting his yap in fear of a 7th technical, to Lamar Odom sleepwalking throughout the entire series, this has all been sanitised, clean basketball, the type David Stern wished for. And guess what? It's absolutely, drearily boring. There's no palpable hostility between these two teams. Both teams seem to realise that they're fragile, and that there's a very good chance the other team can beat them, and therefore they don't want to get caught getting into it. They downplay the importance of beating the other, and sound like they're just trying to do their job of winning a championship. Normally, this sort of talk is just politically correct, made-for-TV BS, but this series, it seems they actually mean it.

Finally, neither team has even been able to put together a half of consistently good play on both ends of the ball. Turnovers, defensive lapses, bad shots, missed layups, fouls, rebounding issues. Those have been the themes of the series, not good ball movement and consistent defense. Just a bunch of bad decisions, displaying that not only are the players' bodies not fully up to the task of playing in the NBA Finals, but their minds aren't all there, either.

Individuals, too. Artest has continued to play atrociously offensively, while Odom has joined his QB homeboy in the pits of hell (though Odom is perhaps even worse on defense than he is on offense). Kobe has played decently, but is yet to have a 'Kobe' night, and is shooting 41% for the series. With the exception of Game Three, Kevin Garnett has been senile. Ray Allen is flirting between record-breakingly good and record-breakingly bad. Paul Pierce has been average. Rajon Rondo hasn't been playing as well as he was earlier. Pau was great in Games One and Two, and average in Games Three and Four. Derek Fisher, third all-time in Finals threes hit, hasn't hit a three all series.

There's been no overtime, no truly down-to-the-wire finishes. While many games have been decided in the fourth, usually the victor was determined before the final two minutes. There has been no trading amazing basket for amazing basket right to the end, until one team either gets a crucial stop in the final few possessions or hits a buzzer-beater. There's been, quite simply, no drama. There have been no games where both teams played well enough to win, but one had to wrestle it away from the other. In fact, more often than not it's been a case where both teams have deserved to lose, until one team finally woke up in the fourth quarter.

This doesn't seem like the Finals. This certainly doesn't seem like Lakers-Celtics. This seems like mid-May. This series will truly be a 'last man standing' scenario. Both teams are literally too exhausted to play much harder, and the victor of this series will be the ones who last the longest before completely folding. 

Of course, I may be totally wrong, and we may see a totally different Lakers-Celtics in Game Five on Sunday. Obviously, both teams want to play a hell of a lot harder and better, but it seems even they themselves doubt their capability to do so. It seems only time will tell. I hope, for the sake of basketball, these two teams bring it harder for the remainder of this series because, so far, this series is hardly deserving of a place in Laker-Celtic lore.

I think Derek K put it best in the comments, saying 

Seems like both teams are playing not to lose, rather than playing to win.

 

OTHER NOTES

  • Bynum had his knee drained again. Right now, it's not as much how effectively he plays as simply his ability to get out there and play. For the sake of preventing exhaustion and sealing the paint, the Lakers need Bynum out there for at least 20 minutes a night to have a good chance of winning this series, in addition to Odom stepping up.
  • While I'm not relying on Odom putting up a dominating performance on Monday, it would be far from surprising if he did. If anything, it would be fitting.
  • Doc Rivers said, 'we're gonna need to win a game where Kobe goes off and dominates'. For that to happen, the Lakers actually need to consistently get him the ball, and not only in end-of-shot-clock scenarios.
  • As has been stated over at Forum Blue and Gold and here, Glen Davis, or 'Big Baby', is precisely the type of player to give Lamar Odom fits. Lamar is a tweener forward, and while he plays the modern power forward position effectively, and defends modern PFs well (the likes of Rashard Lewis, Antawn Jamison, David West, etc); when faced with a traditional bruiser power forward, he always has issues. Whether it be Carl Landry, Craig Smith, DeJuan Blair, Glen Davis or Leon Powe, Odom is going to have issues with their size and strength. Big Baby is even more of an issue, as he is the only one on that list to possess the footspeed to defend Odom's drives well on the other end of the floor. Bynum's needed for Big Baby, and if Bynum can't play much, the Lakers may even need DJ Mbenga or Josh Powell.
  • Whether it be the Triangle or the pick-and-roll, whichever offense the Lakers decide to run, they actually have to run it well and with urgency. The shot clock is getting far too low on most possessions. Not only is this due to walking the ball up the court (done to slow the pace and keep the Celtics, namely Rondo, from running), but the passing and cutting has simply been lackadaisical all series, and most of the season. 15 assists and 12 turnovers last game. Ouch.
  • Screw home-court advantage in Games Six and Seven, the Celtics are too good on the road for that to matter. Whichever team wins Game Five has a 95% chance of winning the series, in my opinion.
  • Personally, I think that one way or the other, the series will be over in six. These teams are simply too battered to keep this up for much longer, whichever team loses Game Five looks primed to fold. Of course, the prime chance for exception to this rule is the Celtics' Big Three and Kobe Bryant - if they have their backs placed to the wall, God knows what they are capable of.
  • Bench Shannon Brown, please, Phil. And free Luke Walton, the offense needs some flow. Sasha Vujacic is always a decent option, too. 
  • After last game's outburst, Rasheed Wallace has joined Kendrick Perkins in being one technical away from suspension. While Kendrick Perkins has kept rather quiet, helped by the refs being hesitant to call technicals at all this series, Rasheed will inevitably pick up that 7th T. It's just how he is. And it's a good thing, too, because he defends Pau Gasol better than anybody else, as highlighted by TrueHoop's Kevin Arnovitz in this video. Phil's said he thinks it would be cheap to try and bait Sheed or Perk into a seventh technical, and says that's not the way he likes to coach, but the refs will lead to 'Sheed getting his seventh tech regardless, and I wouldn't be surprised if things got close and a Laker took the initiative on himself to provoke Perk, though I doubt it would be Lamar Odom.
  • I still can't believe Lamar Odom's comments about how he refuses to 'put a win or a loss on [his] shoulders... [the Lakers] need to do everything as a team'. He's not only shrinking from the spotlight, he's actively running away and directing the spotlight towards others, and it's despicable.
  • Apparently, Phil's leaning towards giving Josh Powell some minutes next game. That could prove genius, or it could destroy the offense. But, as long as it's known to Josh that every time he shoots a jumper from further out than 15 feet, a baby dies, his playing is something Lakers fans will have to live with if Drew can't go for decent minutes.
  • A lot of interesting points presented by Forum Blue and Gold's Darius over on this post about coping with Andrew Bynum's limitations, and how the Lakers as a team will have to adapt. Particularly of interest is the concept of playing Ron Artest at the Four against Big Baby. While this would work in that Artest is quicker than BBD and stronger than Lamar, it could only be tried when Paul Pierce or Rajon Rondo aren't on the floor, as otherwise there's issues in defending Pierce (if Pierce is on the pine, no defender needed, if Rondo is sitting Kobe can defend Pierce).
  • In fact, for better or worse, Phil's best shot in this series may be to give the bench some minutes together as a unit, reminiscent of the old 'Bench Mob' of '08. It would give the starters an opportunity to rest, present a new look for the Celtics to contend with, and may even gel and give the Celtics issues. Alternatively, it could completely self-destruct and throw away the chances of winning whichever game they get play in. Still, the concept of Pau, Lamar, Luke, Sasha and Jordan running around like it's 2008 is intriguing and might be one to consider. Thoughts, Laker Nation?

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sigh...

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 12, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, my prediction for tomorrow

kobe, 52 points, 18/20 fg, 6/6 3pt, 10/10 fts, 8 ast, 8 reb, 3 stl, 2 to

"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"

by kb06 on Jun 12, 2010 4:10 PM PDT reply actions  

And the Lakers win, right? That would be nice

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 12, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

you are still killing me

"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"

by kb06 on Jun 12, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

so you must think the celtics play litle defense on him eh?

He as hitting degree difficulty 10 3 pointers at a high rate last game to crack 30 points. And you expect him to do much better than that now huh? All while defending someone faster than him on the other side (Rondo) many minutes and having few turnovers and a lot of assists too.

Great player but dream on. The Lakers are not playing Phoenix. Keep in mind the pace is low in these games also.

by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 12, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

So we're not allowed to joke around and have fun?

I love how Celtics fans are so fun and respectful

by EhondA on Jun 12, 2010 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is a Lakers blog. Go away if you don't like what we say.

"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson

by SoCalGal on Jun 12, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Get him a little more rest...

…and the ball and he may very well have dropped another 10+ points on you guys(Cs).

by poorwebguy on Jun 12, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

More like

Kobe, 31 points, 10/10 fg, 5/5 3, 6/6 ft, 23 ast, 21 reb, 6 stl, 6 blk YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

by EhondA on Jun 12, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha ha

real quality blog entries eh? Have fun.

by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 12, 2010 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Get over it

They’re just having a bit of fun and joking around. They’re far from serious. And it’s better than most of the crap over at CB, anyways, as you must realise considering you’ve put in 40 comments here and only 1 on CB.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

ugh

can’t even see a joke eh..that’s kinda funny you get all but hurt about that

by lakers are trouble on Jun 13, 2010 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn, only 10 shots?

That means this contest will be over by the second quarter!

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 12, 2010 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Naw...this seems more likely

9-23, 27 points, 8-9 ft shooting, 3 blocks, 5 turnovers, 46 minutes.

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 12, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rebounds, assists?

And unless the rest of the Lakers show up well (in which case he wouldn’t play 46), he’s gonna take more than 23 shots and score more than 27 points.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

same on rebounds and assists as kb06 guessed

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 12, 2010 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking that should be 19/23

what do you think wave? stares menacingly with baseball bat in hand

by Marty Mart on Jun 13, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, Marty

I only wish to satisfy your desires.

by California Waves on Jun 13, 2010 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

O_o

Queensbridge. Littlerock.

"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer

by bluexfalcon on Jun 13, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha ha

He totally deserved that

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on Jun 13, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kevin Ding Tweet

http://twitter.com/KevinDing/statuses/16015921826

Andrew Bynum is certain knee will swell again after Game 5, but he calls it a must-win … and the biggest game of his life.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Jun 12, 2010 4:12 PM PDT reply actions  

sounds like they might finally come out with some fire. LA has won every game they needed to win…which is sadly typical

by poorwebguy on Jun 13, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

wat is going on?!

Queensbridge. Littlerock.

"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer

by bluexfalcon on Jun 12, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

i remember seeing this

can’t remember which game it was though

by lakers are trouble on Jun 12, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

wtf

haha

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jun 13, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree that this series

hasn’t exactly been entertaining. Just told my friend that the other day, but some are only concerned with what happens at the end instead of talking about how it even got to that point.
On Odom, he seemed to be a little bit more grown-up today reading some of what he said at media day. He took responsibility for his poor play. He talked about watching film and he even said he noted how to take advantage of their defense. We’ll see how he turns up tomorrow.
On reserves, I don’t think they should all play together unless someone is in a flow. If Odom is feeling it or BrownMar are working well together, then sure throw Sasha or Luke in there at the 3 and Mbenga in at the 5. That would be some good rest for the starters, but only if we’re up by more than ten and they get taken out the moment the lead drops below 6. lol.
On Bynum, having Perkins and Sheed guarding him vs. guarding Pau is going to be the godsend of this series. Pau is having to work way too hard for his shots down low and its hurting his ability to get down the floor, as noted by multiple times KG has beaten him down for alley-oop attempts. This also means that Bynum can play with Odom to get Pau even more rest and it all works out for us. Bynum is truly the key to our bench’s production and our starter’s rest. We’re so much better with him manning the 5 than Pau manning it, at least against the Celtics.

by Marty Mart on Jun 12, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Btw

SSR got a nice shout-out for statistical analysis on the Basketball Jones. Keep up the good work guys

by Marty Mart on Jun 12, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they're scared CA will take the brass knuckles to em if they don't talk us up...

Though, Dex survived.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which Ep?

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 13, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Aha, nvm, just saw it in their Game 4 recap

http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2010/06/11/ep-589-game-4-recap/
Just after the 4 minute mark. Evidently, Tas steals Dex’s stats.

HI TAS!!!!!

hehe…

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 13, 2010 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

*just before the 4 minute mark

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 13, 2010 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow... that was a downer post.

I don’t know if I agree with everything you said, or am against everything you said. I guess the former… this has been an ugly series, with no flow, no good games.

I’m still riveted though, as just Lakers vs. Celtics for me is huge.

These guys are professionals, and to think someone would shrink away in the finals (lamar) is just turrible. I can’t fathom it, really.

I picked the Lakers in 6, I’m going to stand by that. These two days of rest are going to be huge, I see us coming to play, getting the W, and going back to LA to close it out in game 6.

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on Jun 12, 2010 4:40 PM PDT reply actions  

I disagree with most of what you say

I think both teams have been intense. Very intense.

From the Celtic side, I see the Lakers causing much of the offense sputtering. Early on, when Bynum was frisky, the Pau/Bynum combination was sealing the paint, and preventing a lot of what the Celtics ordinarily do. Plus, Artest was bugging Pierce. And Rondo wasn’t sure how to handle being all alone at the top of the key.

On the other side, the Celtics have defended pretty well.

Both Celtic wins were nail-biters; game 3 loss was one we could have won.

pretty? no. I would agree with that
refs in the way? definitely agree with that

but it has been a very interesting series, between two evenly matchted teams

no one else in the league this year would have held up against the effort and skill shown by both teams in this series

personally, I hope for a “pretty” blow-out of the Lakers in game 5

but I don’t expect it

by Frank Malzone on Jun 12, 2010 5:26 PM PDT reply actions  

My opinion

is that the series has been below expectations in terms of basketball quality due to all the plethora of fouls called. Both teams are physical and Boston a little more so, hence I think they have been proportionally hurt more by this. There have also been a lot of bad calls on both sides. More than usual. Not sure who this favors but both fan bases seem … surprise surprise to feel it favors the other.

The other big issue is all the injuries. The Celtics are older and got really banged up by the Magic. The Lakers seem to have similar though I think it was more accumulated rather than in a big spike. The Celtics were pretty healthy up to the Magic and Howard became a wrecking crew. Not sure who the injuries favor since there are so many and both teams can argue if all the players played to their optimum they would win. But again, that is why the games are played and they don’t just take a poll. Ref calls or not I think with a 7 game series the better team at the time with who they can field will almost always come out ahead. So all you Lakers fans who expected 4x of game 1 — I’m not sure what to say other than dream on. You likely do have the better top 6 players but the Celtics play more as a team and likely are stronger beyond the top 6. Keep in mind that Wallace and Tony Allen are decent players and Baby averaged about 15 a game in the playoffs last year lest you think game 4 was an accident never to be repeated. It is not that shocking when he is on and given minutes.

Another comment on the injuries. I like Bynum and him giving max effort in spite of his knee. But I really wonder if this is wise for him long term. I don’t believe that he “can’t make it worse by playing.” Many years ago I remember as a little kid Kevin Mchale gutting out a broken foot in the playoffs similarly and he never was the same after that. He was an all time great too and it really hurt his later career. I hope Bynum does not end up with a similar problem. KG is clearly not right and hurt too — but I feel the comment does not apply to him since he is near the end of his career and may never have a chance to get this far again. Hence so long as he can help it makes sense for him to play even if it has consequences next year.

by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 12, 2010 6:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Seems like both teams are playing not to loose ...

… rather than playing to win. Think about how the lakers have held boston at arms length in the last 2 games. ame 5 didn’t end very well for the Lakers as a result.

The truth is, both teams (including the individual players) have a lot riding on this series. Paul Pierce wants to be considered among the great Celtics. Kobe, Lamar, and Pau (especially Pau) want the 2008 money off of their backs. Kobe needs to slay the Celtics to be considered GLOAT or in the conversation of greatest ever. Phil doesn’t want to get out coached (again) by Doc Rivers. Doc wants to slay the Lakers (and Phil) again.

Only Derek Fisher and Ray Allen were truly able to take charge. For Ray allen, it was the 1st half of his record breaking game. For Fisher, it was a single 4th quarter.

Seems like both teams have been on edge.

by djejrejk on Jun 12, 2010 6:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Seems like both teams are playing not to loose …
… rather than playing to win.

Thankyou, that’s essentially the crux of my argument, more succinctly worded.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

what is shannon's contract status after this year?

"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.

by eLrEiEc on Jun 12, 2010 6:48 PM PDT reply actions  

do you think he'll take it

or be dumb enough to opt out for some other dumber team to sign him?

i don’t remember at what point this dude became a chucker and straight-up thinks he’s kobe when he’s out there.

"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.

by eLrEiEc on Jun 12, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's found his flow

He needs to be the open 3-shooter, use his athletic ability to play defense, and be a fast break finisher. Nothing else. Okay, maybe drive every now and again.

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on Jun 13, 2010 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

drew on game 5
“This is the biggest game of my career,” he said as he walked to the team bus after a swarm of media members had dissipated following a 30-minute interview session with Lakers players and coaches.

"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."

by chaucer on Jun 12, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

i wish lamar would say the same thing. bynum is getting knee drains, realizing the importance of game 5, and his importance to the lakers…maybe lamar should get a heart transplant, because he isn’t playing with one these finals.

"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."

by chaucer on Jun 12, 2010 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

we must win this game and the championship for bynum.

i know ppl want it for kobe and phil but drew has given us his heart and tried his best to play.
lamar, take note!

"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.

by eLrEiEc on Jun 12, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

the guy's def got heart

I think Kobe’s playing through more than he’s letting on as well. Thought I read somewhere that he was considering knee surgery end of season. I may be wrong…

by poorwebguy on Jun 13, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

u r right. he will have surgery after the season on his knee. both kobe and bynum.

"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."

by chaucer on Jun 13, 2010 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

send artest to toronto for hedo turkoglo. and lamar, farmar, sasha to sac for tyreke evans.

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by chaucer on Jun 12, 2010 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

artest might be sucking right now on offense.

but we brought him in for his defense and his toughness. i’m sure by next season he’ll look better on offense QUEENSBRIDGE!!!

by lakers are trouble on Jun 13, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I like all points made in this post-REC

I’m just ready for game 5

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 12, 2010 7:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Me too, Brittney.

Bring it on!!!

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by SoCalGal on Jun 12, 2010 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

more like 50% chance not 95%

I know a lot of the commentators and writers are saying that whoever wins game 5 will win the series but that is not necessarily true. It’s more true if the Lakers win but not Celtics. Even if the Lakers lose all they have to do is make sure they win game 6, and game 7 will be up for grabs to whoever wants it the most, and who has the better team. Lakers don’t need to panic if the Celtcs win tomorrow. Celtics will have won two in a row and the Lakers will have to turn around and do the same, just get game 6.

by fastbr8k on Jun 12, 2010 8:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I think Lakers have the better team so they should win no matter how many games it takes but

I like playing with the lead and I’m sure Lakers would like to play with the lead also and not catch up like Boston has been doing, Lakers need to lead then put Boston away not lose then give Celtics too much over hype and confidence. Lakers need to keep the pressure on by winning Game 5, I hope they do so, no catch up Lakers, no catch up, Lets Go.

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jun 12, 2010 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...
After Game 4: The Boston Celtics hosted and defeated the Los Angeles Lakers 96-pts-89 to tie MLB/NBA/NHL best-of-7 playoff series 1118 at 2-games-all. When tied 2-games-all in a best-of-7 NBA playoff series, the Los Angeles Lakers have a 21-7 series record with an active six-series winning streak and a 22-6 Game 5 record with an active six-Game 5 winning streak, while the Boston Celtics have a 28-9 series record and a 26-11 Game 5 record with an active six-Game 5 winning streak. One of these lengthy Game 5 winning streaks will thus come to an end in the next series 1118 game. In the history of best-of-7 MLB/NBA/NHL Finals-round playoff series, teams (such as Los Angeles) which win Game 1 and lose Game 2 at home and win Game 3 and lose Game 4 on the road have an active twelve-series winning streak; the last loss in this context occurred in series 116, when the New York Yankees lost to the Milwaukee Braves in the 1957 MLB Finals. In the history of best-of-7 NBA Finals-round playoff series, teams (such as Los Angeles) which win Game 1 and lose Game 2 at home and win Game 3 and lose Game 4 on the road have a 10-0 series record and a 9-1 Game 5 record.

So, for the position the Lakers are in, like teams in the NBA are 9-1 in games 5, and 10-0 in series. Have faith, sure this is past games, but have faith. The Lakers will have a break out game tomorrow and win.

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by 99bc99 on Jun 12, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd say whichever team wins Game 5 wins it all because both these teams appear on the brink of collapsing with exhaustion.

And many of the players on the team which lost Game 5 look primed to whither and give up. Obviously, if the Lakers lose Game 5, and everybody else gives up, Kobe will still try to singlehandedly win the game, and may damn well do it; and if the C’s lose, the Big Three will give it their all knowing it may well be their last chance to compete for a championship and they needed to keep going till their bodies give out underneath them.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

*but it's doubtful either of those efforts could single-handedly win a Game.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

wow...

Not really a half-full guy are you? Lol. (jk)

I don’t really want or care about a scintillating Finals. We really haven’t had one of those, arguably, in 20 years. Jordan never went to a Game 7. There was personal drama but those games were never high offensive execution games. For the most part, they were defensive battles. The 2005 series went seven games but was it memorable? The Spurs championships were not a thing of beauty (Knicks in ’99, Cavs in ’2007). Recently the Finals have been known more for chokejobs than anything else (Game 4 in 2008, Mavs in 2006)

I don’t want Die Hard 4 — Finals style. I just want two more damn wins. And I don’t care how we get there.

That is all.

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by Tuna Helper on Jun 12, 2010 8:40 PM PDT reply actions  

hey now

as long as the lakers win, i’m up for it.
it could be the ugliest game ever.

by lakerlover2by4 on Jun 12, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

i second

think they’re capable of blowing the Cs out just maybe way too tired by the 4th. would love to see it though

by poorwebguy on Jun 13, 2010 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Comment on Jackson's honorable non-baiting statement ..

on not trying to get Perkins and Wallace to get more techs and thereby thrown out. It appears to me to be a little disingenuous or either it was not communicated to the players. At the end of a quarter in game 4 the camera focused on Bryant and another guy (Gasol?) both bumping Perkins on the way to the bench trying to get him to push and then likely T’d. I thought that was pretty cheap. Especially with Bryant, he literally followed him to the bench to bump him on the way out. Perkins to his credit almost grinned (first time I ever saw him not looking pissed off … which was kind of funny).

On the tech thing. With Perkins it is not justified to be in this state. He got hit with a lot of double techs which the refs seem to be using to control physical play. Two of the others were borderline crazy calls resulting from his regular season reputation following. The NBA should not be using double techs to control play. They should just call fouls. This is effectively penalizing physical teams that last longer in the playoffs.

Wallace is another story. His are from wild yelling and swearing together with his reputation. He might be more successful avoiding another though since he seems to behave better when on the edge.

by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 12, 2010 9:32 PM PDT reply actions  

Really? You're coming on here with this?

Go back and watch it. in the 3rd, Perkins and Gasol were fighting for space and Perkins put his hand up and kept bumping. Then Phil called a timeout and Kobe walks with Perkins and talked to him. Garnett redirected Perkins toward the bench and he end up walking into Kobe while Kobe tries to get out the way. Whatever was said, Bryant was smirking about it.

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by Madz on Jun 12, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that bumping Perkins is something that EVERY player has been doing to EVERY other this season.

Up in the article, there’s a link to a video showing how Sheed and Pau get at each other; and there’s also been plenty of talk around about how Rondo and Sheed are bumping at every given opportunity walking back to huddles.

You’re looking at this through green-tinted glasses, son. It’s a wonder you’re not chillin over at CB.

And get over the techs on Perk, those double-techs have been part of the rules of the game for years now, if Perkins is enough of an idiot to get called for them it’s his problem. As Doc Rivers said, ‘We got ourselves into this, now we’ve gotta deal with it’ (paraphrasing off the top of my head).

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, I think Kobe didn't take too kindly with Perkins antics.

I don’t think it was baiting; just fed up with Perkins’s actions.

by E-ROC on Jun 13, 2010 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Several of you guys I think are missing the point

What I am referring to was after the quarter had ENDED and they were walking back to the bench. That is unusual to say the least. Perhaps smart on Bryant’s part if the attitude is win any way possible. But certainly not consistent with Jackson’s statements. I have no idea if his sentiments were communicated to the players and whether they would follow such anyway.

The funny part of it was though that Perkins did not bite and it was the closest I have ever seen him coming to a grin.

Perkins by the way is a nice guy off the court. He looks mean as hell during a game though.

by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 13, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Game 5

Game 4 was Zombieland, ugliest playoff game in recent memory, saved for the green Kryptonite team by a drooling fat Swamp Thing, and a jabbering troll from under the bridge of deadly boring game memories. Lakers lost the map to the paint and forgot to play the 4th quarter. Marketing mavens are still trying to figure out how much money a round-ball jock has to make before he remembers it’s a 4, not a 3-quarter game.

Drained Bynum knee gives the weary L.A. team paint presence, and Kobe and Pau give enough for a pivotal Game 5 win, w/random contributions from the other guys. I’m hoping all wearing purple and gold basically mop the floor w/the vile anti-matter green things.

Zombie Hunters 3, Zombies 2, then back to L.A. for the get-this-sucky-series over with denouement.

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by Pax5 on Jun 12, 2010 9:46 PM PDT reply actions  

But Zombieland was funny...

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

las vegas odd

last vegas odd dropped on this game 5 celtic favor by 2 1/2
game 4 celtic favored by 4,, game 3 celtic favored 2 1/2
seem like laker will win game 5. so far vegas odd is just right on all the games.

by Vui on Jun 12, 2010 9:56 PM PDT reply actions  

i don't get it

looks to me like the celtics are favored to win by 2 1/2? is that right?

by _logan_ on Jun 12, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice read saurav!

celtic fan here from cal. i have only recently started following ssr and have liked your write-ups. keep them coming!
“Whichever team wins Game Five has a 95% chance of winning the series,”
i’ve been telling this exact thing to my friends the past couple of days. these two teams are playing at such a level that hc does not really matter to either. if LA is thinking they are at an advantage at this point since 2/3 is at their home, they are making a big mistake. game 5 is pivotal and definitely as much a must-win for LA as it is for the celts.
one thing i dont agree with is ‘whichever team loses game 5 might fold in the 6th’. thats because i think more than the game 5 loser folding, it will be the game 5 winner pressing harder/raising the game another notch to get done in game 6 that is likely to happen.
great series so far. except game 1, every game has come to the last 2-3 minutes, cant ask for better. cant wait for game 5 to kickoff, mann, almost 18 more hours to go!

by keychey on Jun 12, 2010 11:20 PM PDT reply actions  

When the series is tied 2-2, you guys certainly seem to expect victory

You aren’t used to seeing the Lakers not step up. The last time they lost a pivotal game 5 was in 2003 against the Spurs.

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by WaveOcean on Jun 12, 2010 11:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Thing is, the Celtics have a pretty good record in Game 5s when tied 2-2, as well.

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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

The more

I watch Paul Pierce and one on Kobe late in the 4th the more I think it was a blatant charge and should have been a technical on PP because he angles his knee very oddly to hurt the defender on purpose.I had seen it couple of times before and he always gets away with it.
Come on guys don’t make this wheelchair pop champagnes again!

by meeer1171 on Jun 13, 2010 2:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm just glad the players got an extra day of rest

The lakers looked spent on thursday. It reminded me of that one game Kobe almost collapsed at the end. But that game was at home and they had their fans to will them to victory….Here is to winning game 5. I have a good feeling about this one.

by lakergirl on Jun 13, 2010 7:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm hoping Lamar shows up tonight

and I do like the idea of Powell getting a few minutes on Davis. He abused LO the other night.

by illcowboy on Jun 13, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

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