What Exactly Just Happened? Lakers-Celtics Game Four Thoughts
Did the Lakers just get beaten almost exclusively by the likes of Glen 'Big Baby' Davis and Nate 'Cheerleader' Robinson? Did the Lakers just effectively choke, for the second time this series? Someone care to explain this to me? Unfortunately, I don't think even the Lakers themselves would be able to explain what exactly happened in that fourth quarter of Game Four. You can't remember something when you were essentially unconscious while the event was unfolding, after all.
Through the first three quarters of this Game Four, the Lakers executed better on the offensive end, simply by virtue of making shots while the Boston Celtics missed, and matched the Celtics on the defensive end. With the l evel of ugliness the Celtics were at offensively, in that period, one would not be remiss to expect a double-digit Laker lead, but alas it was not to be. A combination of Laker turnovers and Celtic offensive rebounds, as highlighted beautifully by C.A. in his piece earlier today, kept the Celtics in the game until they could finally push through. The Celtics were only down by two before the start of the fourth, and then a group of rested, energetic and simply desperate reserves blew the combination of tired Laker starters and incompetent Laker reserves out of the water.
Give the Celtics a lot of credit. As I stated in my preview of Game Four, this game was to go to whatever team wanted it more, was more willing to fight for it. And on both counts, the Celtics prevailed. They played hard and physical, hustled and fought. Despite being far shorter than the Lakers, they outrebounded them 46-37. Despite being far older, they held the edge in fast break points 15 to 2. They had 12 steals to the Lakers' six. They won all the hustle stats.
The Lakers need to stop trying the 'get everyone involved' cliche and start feeding the hot hand. Quite simply, it's impossible to get everyone on this Laker team involved, they're just too airheaded. Shannon Brown thinks with his legs, Lamar Odom is smoking something and Ron Artest is downright crazy. And, somehow, 'getting everyone involved' always end up with those three taking a number of terrible shots. Partially because defenses want these guys to shoot, partially because these guys just like shooting; but consequentially it kills the offense even more than riding the hot hand does.
In the third quarter, Kobe Bryant finally decided to get himself involved a bit and dropped five threes in the period, along with some other tough shots, prompting the commentators to suggest that he could potentially break Ray Allen's record for threes in a half/game. Then what happened? The quarter ended, the team went into a huddle, and when they came back out the team left Kobe to chill on the weakside while Odom and Fisher tried playing Mamba. Kobe would make the initial pass to get the offense started, and then invariably the ball would only ever work its way back to him if there was less than four seconds left on the clock, otherwise the possession would end in a downright stupid shot by someone else. This left Kobe totally out of rhythm for the closing minutes, up until the Lakers FINALLY decided to let him try winning the game, when it was already too late.
Also on the note of Kobe, he needs to be more decisive in his action while driving. Often, he would fake, drive in, only to realise he had no idea what he was doing and make a rushed pass out of the trap, resulting in several of his seven turnovers. He needs to take it aggressively to the hoop, or pull up earlier out and take the jump shot. Some of this is on his teammates for not moving to the correct positions to help him out, but Kobe needs to recognise that he doesn't have the speed to blow by whole teams with utter ease like he used to be capable of, and that the Celtics are a good enough defensive team to effectively trap him on his drives. He needs to adapt.
Really, I don't even know what offense the Lakers were running. The ball wasn't going inside enough for it to be the Triangle, and there were no screens involved, let alone a screen-and-roll. Whatever it was, it was ugly.
Speaking of going inside, forcing the ball inside to Pau Gasol while he's defended by Rasheed Wallace isn't really a good idea. Pau's figured out KG, and Perk still gives him some issues but Pau can negate that by taking him off the dribble; but Sheed straight-up harasses Pau. Pau is left to take exceptionally tough shots over Sheed's length, or to try and create off the dribble and often turn the ball over. I'd take Kobe on Allen over Pau on Sheed any day of the week.
This is also one of the areas where Andrew Bynum comes in. With Bynum in the game, Pau gets a significant number of minutes being defended by the likes of Glen Davis and Kevin Garnett, favourable matchups both. When Bynum is not in the game, Pau is often defended by Rasheed and Kendrick Perkins, both of whom are known to give Pau problems, primarily due to their strength, physicality and defensive instinct, but also in Rasheed's case his length.
Quite simply, the Lakers NEED Bynum to be healthy. There are numerous reasons for this, all of them crucial to LA's title hopes. Primarily, without Drew, Pau will die of exhaustion before this series ends. Pau's been playing 43 minutes a game this series, often playing the whole second half, and his exhaustion is tangible in fourth, or even earlier. I remember one instance late in the third where Pau Gasol's exhaustion was obvious in how he plodded down the floor whilst KG sprinted in for the dunk, and at that point I was begging Phil to put in Drew for Pau. Of course, Phil put in Drew for Odom instead, leaving Pau to suffer, but I'm beyond questioning Phil's decisions - that path can only lead to clinical insanity.
Also, Bynum's impact on the inside is tangible. The more active and effective Bynum is, the harder it is for the Celtics to covert points in the paint. Quite simply, the Celtics' inside shooting this series has been utterly subpar, and Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum have been the prime causal factors for this. Take Bynum out, and half of that effect is missing. The Celtics have less fear of getting blocked going to the basket, the Lakers have no true inside presence, and there's six fewer fouls for LA to use.
Then there's the rebounding. The Lakers' rebounding last game sucked. Andrew Bynum only played 12 minutes. Normally, correlation does not imply causation, but this time an exception can be made. Maybe if we actually had a true big body out there, Big Baby wouldn't have earned as many easy points.
Finally, there's the fact that when Bynum's sitting, Lamar Odom is on the floor. Lamar has sucked this series. He's been subpar all season, even throughout the playoffs, but boy have these Finals been something else. Games One and Two were a joke. Game Three was an efficient offensive spurt, but he still was not aggressive enough. Game Four was mediocre offensively and terrible defensively.
And oh God, Lamar Odom's defense. While much is being made of his lack of aggression on the offensive side of the ball, he's been LA's worst defender all series. He has had one block in four games. One. Conversely, Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol have combined for 21 in the series - hell, even Kobe Bryant has had four. Lamar's been abused by Celtic bigs, bodied out of position effortlessly and giving up offensive boards, and has probably given up more three-point plays than anybody else in the series. Ugly, ugly stuff. Big Baby-level ugly (pun not intended).
On the topic of Lamar and Glen Davis, if Lamar had correctly boxed out instead of consistently allowing Baby clear inside position, Baby wouldn't have grabbed so many offensive boards on the fourth. If Lamar had bodied up Baby and kept him out of deep position, Baby wouldn't have manhandled him on the low block. Really, no comment on Lamar's defense of Big Baby was more apt than Phil's concise 'I don't wanna talk about that'. Frankly, there's nothing to say to it, but WAKE THE HELL UP, LAMAR! It's a safe bet to say that's the message that Lamar will be getting drilled into him all through the next two days. Hopefully, he listens.
Odom's attitude isn't helping things, either. Instead of asserting that he needs to play better, he's saying crap like 'I'm not going to put a win or a loss on myself. We need to defend better as a team, rebound better as a team [etc, etc]'. Essentially, he's deflecting the blame from himself, and putting it on everyone else. His body language and facial expression on the court are despicable, as well, I'd almost prefer Nate's cheerleader antics to Lamar's apathy.
The bench needs to step up. They don't need to provide 36 points in a game, like the Celtics' bench did in Game Four (though it would be nice), but they need to be able to hold the fort for a good 12 or so minutes a game. Kobe and Pau cannot be expected to win games in the fourth quarter if they've had to play nearly every minute leading up to that point. At the onset of the fourth, the Lakers had Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar out there with three core players in Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol. Pau was absolutely exhausted. Kobe was essentially ignored. Lamar was too busy staring at the pictures of his wife Khloe Kardashian in the crowd. Shannon and Jordan simply aren't that good. The Celtics' unit, consisting of four reserves, outran and out-hustled the Lakers to start the fourth, catching the purple and gold by surprise and essentially blowing them out of the game. Kobe and Pau were too tired to do anything about it at the other end.
Pau, especially. 13 points in the first half, 21 by the end of the game. 10 free throws attempted in the first/early second half of the game, none down the stretch. The deterioration in his play due to sheer exhaustion was blatant. Phil really should have thrown DJ Mbenga out there for at least two or three minutes in the third to provide some size, defense and rebounding while allowing Pau to catch a break before the crucial fourth quarter.
Also, I would've liked to see some Luke Walton out there in the fourth, to try and return some semblance of the Triangle to the offense. And, I can't believe I'm saying this, but free Sasha Vujacic! He's a hard-nosed defender, hates the Celtics, can spread the floor, knows the triangle and, quite simply, he's not Shannon (seriously, Shannon sucks).
The Celtics starters as a whole have been subpar this whole series. Their two wins have come from a phenomenal shooting performance from Ray Allen and an explosion of effort from their bench. Both the C's wins this series have come in the fourth, and essentially the Lakers' starters have been too tired to do anything about it.
This exhaustion is both physical as well as mental, as not only have the Lakers not been fast enough to keep up with the Celtics defensively, they've made some boneheaded offensive decisions in crunch time. From Pau's careless outlet pass to having no idea what offense they're meant to be running, the Lakers have collectively looked like they want no part of the fourth quarter in any of these games. 'Why' is inexplicable, and troubling. The Lakers have two days to either solve the 'why', or figure out a way of winning the first three quarters so handily that their reluctance to play in the fourth is irrelevant. Otherwise, there will be trouble.
PS: With the nature of this series, it just wouldn't seem right to write a post about this game without mentioning the officiating. Do not misunderstand this, by no means do I contend that the officiating directly favoured the Celtics in any way whatsoever. All I have to say is that the officiating is still pretty atrocious, as it has been all series, but the bad calls have been pretty evenly divided both ways, just as it has been all series. This Game Four, however, the refs loosened up on the calls to an extent, particularly in the first half, allowing some more physical play. The key would be which team would capitalise on the allowance of more physical play, and this game it was the Celtics, entirely to their credit. Nonetheless, the officiating is going to remain crap all series, and both teams need to play through it. As I said in my Game Four preview, whichever team plays through it best will win the Championship, and will deserve to win the Championship.
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"Did the Lakers just effectively choke, for the second time this series?"
Man, why’d you have to get so real?
These are the games that make the detractors say “If the Lakers play like this, they’re not going to win a title” … and then they win the title.
Haven’t they been doing this to us fans for two season straight now? Giving us flashes of brilliance, only to let us down, but ultimately coming away with the prize? I hope it’s a happy ending. Hope – That’s all any fan has isn’t it? That and historical precedent. Yay, historical precedent!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Lucid thoughts on the flow of the offense
Exactly right, Saurav, quit giving everybody a chance, just feed Gasol/Bynum [healthy], and let Kobe go to work: simplify, man.
I hope Andrew not only feels better, but he can actually elevate. Ron basically handed the ball to Drew and KG blocked it, no lift, no chance to be effective offensively/defensively.
by rickfox on Jun 11, 2010 4:19 PM PDT reply actions
www.letmbengaandsashaplay.com
"i remember one time,we was playing basketball,and we was winning the game,it was so competitive,he broke a piece of lead from a table,and he threw it and it went right through his heart and he died right on the court" - Ron Artest on wonderful childhood memories.
Guys, this news can be good or it could be a crap shoot
He risks further discomfort from the draining and the fluid returning, thank goodness there were no fractures, he’s no worse off than he was already, could get better or he shuts it down.
by rickfox on Jun 11, 2010 4:31 PM PDT reply actions
Breaking news: Andrew Bynum will be Starting Sunday
by rickfox on Jun 11, 2010 4:40 PM PDT reply actions
its looking like...
they just get way too happy winning one game.
and i hope this can be a “I AM BYNUM” type game on sunday, and just steamrolls.
"I love this game, I love this team, I love this guy, I love what I do. Nothing means more to me than helping my team win" - Derek Fisher
by igotasmanyringsaslebron on Jun 11, 2010 4:57 PM PDT reply actions
he needs to put davis in his place…hes got 1ft and a half on him
"I love this game, I love this team, I love this guy, I love what I do. Nothing means more to me than helping my team win" - Derek Fisher
by igotasmanyringsaslebron on Jun 11, 2010 5:14 PM PDT reply actions
Davis will probably put himself in his own place.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
well
I just got a job as a knives salesman… :/
not sure if its worth it, I hope so cause I need money
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
That's great man, just make sure 'handle first' you'll be alright.
by rickfox on Jun 11, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah the last thing I want to do is stab the cleint
lol
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
yea it's better to stab yourself i guess
especially after anther lakers loss
by lakers are trouble on Jun 12, 2010 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Not so much of a mystery
The Laker starter got tired in the 4th and they were playing energetic, but competent reserves. Then the Celtics starters went back in well rested late. That was the main reason for all the 2nd chances via offensive rebounds and steals. The Celtics also started playing with better offensive efficiency — they were missing uncharacteristic numbers of shots early. Particularly Rondo (they were open to the extent he is usually reliable) and Allen. I’ll leave out Garnett since he has something wrong and the Lakers were daring him to shoot wide open (usually suicide with him at the top of the key but he is not right) and he was obliging with misses.
I wonder if it would not be a better strategy with Bynum to not play Sunday and see if the Lakers can win without him. Either way the odds would be on the Lakers side going back to LA if he is more healthy. A similar statement applies to KG though I am afraid the long break before the finals indicates he is not likely to get closer to normal with a few extra days rest. But Baby may be more effective if he is not closer to right. Baby has a decent mid range jump shot by the way and he is not shy about using it in pressure games.
It seems to me the Lakers top 6 with Bynum marginally healthy is better than the Celtics top 6 with KG in his present state (assume this will not change or he would have healed). But the Celtics players beyond the top 6 look better to me and I hope Rivers continues to exploit this effectively.
by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 11, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions
I really liked Davis' play
He used his strength (literally), and size to his advantage. Although I can’t stand his antics, he’s probably had one of the best games of anybody this series, with determination, intensity, and activity. Aside from Ray Allen’s bomb-fest, Drew’s game 1, and of course Kobe, I can’t really say the same about anybody else. On either team.
Game 5 is going to be a doozy.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Agree on Davis
I hate him, but props to him. I think he’s been the best Celtics and playing the hardest in the series.
Hope we don’t see a repeat performance (i doubt it) on Sunday.
Lakers do need to get starters more rest and trust their bench more.
I fully agree that we should use sasha more over other reserves.
a long article, but a good one, saurus. right on the money, honest, and humorous. i agree with pretty much all of what u said here.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
i would really freaking hate to see the lakers trail 3-2. really hate it.
"the man who created a legend; the legend who resurrected a franchise."
dont worry, we will head back to LA up 3-2
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
Lakers Record on Sunday during playoffs
2-2.
Last Road game was L to PHX.
Last Home game was L to BOS.
Reg season Sunday Road game vs BOS – W
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wow, this page is dead
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
When your team loses, you don't want to visit any site talking about the game
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
seriously
i don’t read anything after the lakers lose. no sportscenter . nothing. but i come read stuff here though and over at FB&G. i feel sick everytime lakers lose.
by lakers are trouble on Jun 12, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
this should keep you entertained for the next 44 hours

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
J.R. Smith's a better tango dancer than a shooter
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
hahaha
LOL. thank you shaqfor3. i needed that
by lakers are trouble on Jun 12, 2010 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
is this what he does when he's not being a retarded thug?
by lakerlover2by4 on Jun 12, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah didnt you know?
in the off-season, hes a tango dancer on Broadway.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Could J.R. be taking his cue from Mark Cuban?

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
Sorry I just noticed there's a phone number on this. Hopefully this doesn;t look like spam or something...
Managers feel free to take it down if needed.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
Ah, if it was displayed on TV for everyone to see
Then it’s public domain.
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
bynum bynum bynum
if he can lay at least 20 mins i know we’ll win
pau and odom arent enough to keep boston out of the paint
"When I dunk, I put something on it. I want the ball to hit the floor before I do."
-Darryl Dawkins
i'm not worried
this happened against the thunder and the suns. we were tied at 2-2, then we took care of buisness.
the celtics are a better team, but i highly doubt the celtics bench will play like again. we’re going to come out with a chip on our shoulder and take care of buisness.
I like the post Saurav A. Das
I agree with you though I’m not too worried because yes I would love for the Lakers to be up 3-1 going into game 5 but the reality of it is that the Lakers are killing themselves from these wins, Boston isn’t doing anything impressive that has me worried, its Lakers own effort killing them, they fix that they win in my eyes and having Bynum on the court would be nice so Lakers are fine to me.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
This should NEVER happen again
Big baby and Nate should never be this successful in a game against us. Everyone (especially LO) better be embarrassed and be ready to play on Sunday. I can live with the big 3 beating us but Nate and Big Baby?
We played crappy D and executed poorly again in crunch time. If it wasn’t for Fish we would be complaining about poor execution 3 times now. We had chances to win games 2 and 4 but screwed it up.
No more excuses…and more focus.
They are not as bad as you think.
Baby was in a major slump early in the year due to the broken wrist and being out of sync and fatter (!) after coming back. He still is way too heavy and gets blocked much more than last year (by any team not just the Lakers). But all this being said, he plays surprisingly well in big games and gives max effort. Remember, he played very well last year in place of KG and the Celtics pushed the Magic to 7 even sans KG in part due to him doing well as a fill in. So this is not a complete accident. He is surprisingly fast for a big guy and strong. He cannot deal with height when guarding inside though. So I am surprised Odom does not exploit him more.
On Robinson … he has always been ok to great on offence but never played defence. I thought he just couldn’t when with the Knicks due to size and system. But Rivers would not let him play till he meshed properly in the Celtics defensive oriented system. To his credit he has stepped up.
A similar statement can be applied to Ray Allen also. He was lousy on defence before coming to the Celtics. But since he has taken it very seriously. He has not done that bad against Bryant considering the difficulty of the task and Bryant’s height advantage. Bryant is a little slower than years ago though and I think this has helped Allen too. Tony Allen is a great defender also but he is too much smaller than Bryant to stop his post game and his offence is not as good as Ray Allen.
by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 12, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Odom should drive, then stop and post up (or shoot over) when he gets close to the basket instead of contested left handed layups or jumpers that tend to not go in. Big Baby is quick enough to at least bother his drives but Odom needs to use his skill when he is close to the basket. Backing him down won’t work since Odom is not nearly as strong as Big Baby but what is frustrating is Lamar being outhustled to rebounds and loose balls when he is a rebounding monster….if he asserts himself.
Our defense has left much to be desired on both guys. Yes both are talented but we have the size and talent to negate their play but the Lakers don’t match that intensity and get burned.
What freaking Odom has said about not having the outcome on his shoulders, is absolutely sickening.This guy is in a knockdown dragout series ( mainly because Lakers won’t or can’t close a game ) and instead of stepping up and saying i’m sick of this, give me the ball and get outta my way he says don’t give it to me cuz i basically could care less.At this point i wish they hadden’t even signed him again with that piss poor loser mentality!
If practice makes perfect....
Yet nobodies perfect.....
Then why practice ???
In all seriousness
If Lamar of game 4 shows up, I think phil should try mbenga and bench lamar. Tell me, he is not getting any playing time if he continues to play like that. Phil is known for not caring about the present and looking at the bigger picture. This is the time to do so with Lamar. Its just not next game but entire series and more playoff series to come.
phil
needs to manage player’s minutes better. There is only one day of rest before the next in the last three games. i don’t want another tired kobe and gasol in the 4th getting beaten up by their bench.
Yeah and Lamar and his recent comments
I wish I can quote them all but he makes it seem like he is doing his job and others aren’t, what bull shit I read from this dude who was mostly the one getting worked by Glen and he couldn’t even attack back, this dude seriously better do something Game 5 or sit him Please Phil
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
i still can't believe lamar hasn't shown up
before he use to at least rebound the ball very well when he wasn’t scoring. now he can’t do anything. i don’t see how big baby can abuse him this badly in every aspect. i mean come on, if a nba player can’t get himself up for the finals then wtf is he doing playing basketball? i’m hoping phil will sit him too. at least for long stretches to send a message.
by lakers are trouble on Jun 12, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions
He's being held captive by Lord Liquorice,
Now I really sound like a dork.
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
Odom's new nickname should be "Candy-a$$" instead of Candyman.
After reading that Yahoo Sports article, his level of apathy is ridiculous. Bench him and play someone that wants to help the team win instead of talking about how the team needs to win.
Charles to the 20... 10... TOUCHDOWN! KANSAS CITY!
key is
Let Kobe blast when he is on.Why ignore him,it is inexplicable.He is going to get that MVP trophy unless somebody goes for 40 three straight games.Just give the ball to him and let him do his thing.Not when the shot clock is expiring.
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And Lamar just give us some boxing out and rebounding,hang on there a little more, Khloe is waiting I know but 3 games left…
4th Quarter
No question the Lakers’ starters were tired in the 4th quarter, and that limited their effectiveness. But you can’t explain Kobe’s 4th quarter without mentioning Tony Allen. Through this series, with Tony Allen on him, Kobe’s shooting about 33%, and touching the ball on about 10% fewer possessions. TA had a key block on Kobe in the 4th and forced him into some misses.
Kobe’s still Kobe, a phenomenal scorer and great all-around player, but Tony Allen plus a Celtics’ scheme that clearly keys on him is enough to slow him down. He’ll still make phenomenal shots, but don’t forget to count the misses.
Even with Ray on him, the way the scheme focuses on Kobe has limited him. He’s shooting 40.9% for the series – a lower percentage than the rest of the team. If you’re asking to make the whole offense run through Kobe, you’re asking to lose.
Very few are asking for the whole offense to run through Kobe the whole game.
What I’m talking about is when he had the hot hand, and nobody else was finding the basket, they should have at least tried going back to him instead of leaving him out on the weakside while Odom, Artest, Brown etc try finding shots. TA’s a good defender, but early on in the Fourth the Lakers weren’t even looking for Kobe, it’s not as if TA was denying Kobe the ball as effectively as Sheed was denying Pau. Kobe would make the initial pass to start the offense, and then the Lakers’ ball movement was so sluggish and lackadaisical that the ball either wouldn’t come back to Kobe at all, or would come back with the shot clock well on its way to 0.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I think...
Since Lakers fans are rehashing this strategy/narrative over and over you need to realize the man is gassed by the end of the game. He is a phenomenal player who has to do too much during the course of the game for his team to be in it. This isnt Phoenix where he could relax and shoot jumpers all night, game six shots he took there wouldn’t have a chance to go in this series. Same is true for Gasol. Neither of them at this point is going to completely dominate the 4th quarter. Someone else needs to step up, ala Fish in game 3.
For these same reasons Ray hasn’t produced and is expending mad amounts of energy on guarding Kobe. He needed game 1 rest to shoot lights out for one half. Not to mention why Rondo sucked it up in game 3 because he never got a break.
Really is going to come down to who can gut it out, game 4 shouldn’t be a surprise that a good player like Davis came off the bench and simply out worked a group of tired players.
Pau was visibly gassed, I can't believe Phil used Bynum to rest Odom instead of Pau in the third...
But I didn’t see Kobe as visibly exhausted. Obviously, he was more tired than earlier on in the game, but you could see that when he did finally get the ball consistently, with around 2 minutes to go in the fourth, he’d either make the shot or draw the foul.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 12, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Me neither
Kobe Bryant on how he feels: “Well Rested”
via @LakersReporter
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
by bluexfalcon on Jun 12, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Kobe and Pau look completely wiped out by the forth quarter. Unlike other series this one costs a massive amount of energy devoted to defense and extra energy on offense because it’s a heavily defensive series.
We need the reserves to step up and get the starters some rest.
yeah I'm pretty much there too
think Odom is into too much feng shui or something. Wish something would actually tick him off.
Mbenga and Sasha should get minutes to give the starters some rest.
They can hang for 10-15 minutes during the game. Exhaustion is killing Kobe and Pau, especially the latter. Odom and Artest have to step it up offensively, and the former needs to step up his entire game.
Artest is hurrible at offense. It's as simple as that. He doesn't have an offensive platform to "step up" on.
by Brownnel2000 on Jun 12, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Artest seems...
…to do good as more of an opportunist. If someone makes a play to him he can get going. I wince every time I see him starting to create his own shots. That just means more crazy ball is coming.
Sasha definitely needs to play more…Brown sucks. If Sasha fouls…so be it. At least we know he can actually make a shot and play without making stupid decisions on offense.
All Artest needs to do on offense is…shoot the open shot, and pass to the post or someone else. No more dribbling other than to get a better passing angle.
brown doesn't suck
but he’s definitely struggling. he’s worse then lamar odom. where did our oh so bench go?
by lakerlover2by4 on Jun 12, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
The Finals seems to be par for the course. This is how a solid, over all defensive series looks...
Both teams are hanging around and the Bynum/Odom adjustment threw off the Lakers at a bad time in the momentum shift in Game 4. Game 5 should tell us if we should start despairing at all.
When Bynum was out at the end pf the regular season Odom stepped up, even when it seemed like the Lakers were dragging themselves into the playoffs and he’d have an excuse to be the mellow man he wants to be.
During that stretch of 14 games, Candy Man’s avgs were: 12.9 points, 10.7 rebounds, 2.6 assists and 1 steal. He was the Lakers best rebounder.
The key to this repeat will be how clearly Odom receives the message: We need you NOW! I know this is obvious, but if he does it’ll provide a huge spark for the rest of the team and the ugly gray skies of Boston will be an afterthought.
Boston isn’t doing anything impressive that has me worried, its Lakers own effort killing them
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
I'm sure we can take game 5...
…and make it 3-2 going back to LA. This is the result I was hoping for in Boston anyways…2 of 3. I predicted Lakers in 6 as I really don’t want to see a game 7 at this point. Too many strange things have happened. Winning game 4 would have made me more comfortable but all 4 games have showed that we are more than capable of outplaying them.
We can match Boston for defense, beat them for offense but my chief worry is fatigue and energy/hustle at this point. Celtics bench for crying out loud?! In the 4th quarter??
We need to deal Odom and one or two of the empty barrels on our bench for Bosh.
Odom has driven this team a whole lot more into loses than wins, especially in crucial times. Drew’s case is just a situation of bad fate. The lad has shown some growth and flashes that he could live up to his potentials if healthy. Odom? He doesn’t give a bleep about the team! At least not when it comes to filling a bigger role, as needed, to win. Artest? No comments!
Totally agree
this douche hasnt given shit the whole year including the playoffs/Finals when we need him most.
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on Jun 12, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
His name is Odom.
Lamar works too. Also LO
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Odom just made a comment
concerning his play today to the effect of ’I’ve sucked all series and I need to step it up.’ I’m proud of him, the first step to any cure is to admit there is a problem.
by Marty Mart on Jun 12, 2010 4:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
wow didn't think that'd happen
He really looked to me like he just wanted to disappear into the “team effort”. Glad to hear he’s actually uttered words that sound suspiciously like he’s thinking of actually taking responsibility for his role.

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