Lakers-Celtics Game 4 Preview: Starring Whoever Doesn't End Up In Foul Trouble
So, what has been the overarching theme of this series so far? Well, there hasn't been one... to do with the players, at least. Every game has had many aspects polar opposite to those in the game prior to it, such as Ray Allen's Jekyll-and-Hyde performances in Games 2 and 3, or Kevin Garnett's performances from Games 1 and 2 compared to Game 3. It's impossible to tell who's going to carry the team in any given game, as both teams possess so much talent that near any player on the roster can drop points, but both teams also play such excellent defense as to prevent most of their opponents from dropping points.
Perhaps the only constant of this series has been the atrocious officiating. Foul trouble for a plethora of players, from both teams. Touch fouls on the perimeter, sometimes not even involving a touch. No flow in the game. The people who have had the most effect throughout the series have not been those donning the Purple and Gold or Green and White, but those wearing the bland grey. The fouls have been roughly equal in their level of horribleness, but even with the consistency they detract from the experience of the Game. Some may argue that the number of fouls is caused by the extremely physical nature of both teams, particularly the Celtics, but even accounting for the extra physicality, games are still called too tight.
However, it is how the refs have been throughout the whole series, and it is unlikely to significantly change, so the NBA Champions will likely be the team that most adeptly adjusts to this style of officiating, and so far it has been the Lakers.
But I digress, we do have a game on our hands, and even with the impossible nature of trying to predict anything that will occur in this series, the Preview must go on, after the Jump.
Speaking of fouls, anybody else find Doc Rivers' comments about the officiating to be laughable? Seriously, complaining about the level of Lakers' moving screens when it is publicly known Celtic strategy to set illegal screens banking on the notion that the refs can't call every foul, and calling Derek Fisher a flopper when nearly every point he scored in the Fourth involved a Celtic flopping? Hmm, desperate, or simply working the refs? Doubtless Phil put in a complaint to the League Office of his own, to counter Rivers' claims, but all this can do is result in more fouls being called and thus even more dragged out games, not fun for anybody.
I apologise about spending so much time commenting on the officiating, but quite frankly the officiating throughout this series has been atrocious to the level it is the first thing that comes to people's mind when thinking of the 2010 NBA Finals - is that really how David Stern wants it remembered?
Me, personally, I don't buy into the conspiracy theories. There is simply too much historical evidence to point to showing the flaws in the argument. If the NBA truly wants to extend the series to 7 games, why have there been so few 7-game Finals series in history? Why has only literally one series these whole Playoffs gone to 7 games? It just doesn't add up. Far more likely, the refs are just human, have had drilled into their heads the rivalry and physical nature of these two teams, and are determined to ensure they maintain control of the game and do not let bloodlust take over; even if this control comes at the cost of flow.
The results have been tangible in that every game in this series at least one core player has been limited due to foul trouble. Allen in Game One, Kobe in Game Two, Pierce in Game 3, Artest in every game (I am not including the Celtics' big men on this list as it is their defensive strategy to foul close to the basket to prevent easy layups and to create an intimidation factor). All these players have had subpar games that have affected their respective teams' ability to win. Celtics fans will argue that if Ray Allen had actually been able to play in Game 1, they could have pulled out a win. Conversely, Lakers fans will claim that if Kobe had not picked up his fifth foul on an iffy charge call in Game Two, he may have been more aggressive in the fourth and thus won Los Angeles the game.
Essentially, staying out of foul trouble in itself is a key to winning Game Four, and thus an achievement in itself. Neither of these teams are truly deep, and thus having to either dig deep into their bench or keep players out there who are playing cautiously with the threat of fouling out hanging over their heads leads to truly ugly basketball. Simultaneously, the team that can win playing this style truly deserves to win the Larry O'Brien.
Notes/Adjustments from Game Three (and the series in general)
Last game for the Celtics, Garnett was the only one to truly bring it on the offensive end. He was more patient with his shots, and instead of playing through the whole game taking turnaround jumpers or bulling his way to the rim, neither option being consistently efficient to him anymore, he earnt some early easy buckets simply by outhustling the Laker bigs down the floor, and used solid fundamental post moves coupled with soft hands to score the majority of his baskets, before truly heating up and making some turnaround and midrange J's. Nonetheless, Garnett still looked tired towards the end of the Game, and with his advancing age it is unlikely he can perform at such a level on a consistent basis, though he can certainly do better than he did in the first two games of this series, simply by utilising some more post moves like the ones he used on Tuesday. Gasol's defense on him was decent, it was just that Garnett was performing at an even higher level offensively. Likely, no defensive adjustment will be needed to combat Garnett throughout the series, though Phil may experiment and put Andrew Bynum on Garnett some more, as Drew's increased size and length seem to be more effective on KG than Pau is. Unless KG performs at an even higher level than he did on Tuesday, there shall never be any need to double-team him as letting him get his on offense is a better option than to collapse the defensive scheme.
Ray Allen, ouch. Seems the last two games effectively cancelled each other out. Ray was a bit aggressive looking for his shot early, as he has been in every game of this series, but this time the Lakers actually properly closed out, causing him to miss his first few looks and shake his confidence a little, particularly by blocking and/or severely altering many of his jumpers that earlier on in this series would be open. This caused him to rush his shots later in the game, missing them all (literally). The Lakers need to keep up the defensive effort - undoubtedly he is unlikely to be so cold again, but playing him that well will at the very least restrain him from repeating his Game Two performance.
It seems the Triangle is simply not working against the Celtic defense, which makes sense. Essentially, the Celtics defense is a zone half the time, and the Triangle is not a zone-breaking offense. The various cuts and angles on the Triangle are based on getting separation from an individual man-on-man defender, so as to receive the pass and either pass or finish. Against a Zone, it simply doesn't work as effectively, as evidenced in the Phoenix series. What does work, however, primarily due to the dearth of mobility in the Celtic bigs, is the pick-and-roll. The Lakers are penetrating with relative ease using this offensive strategy, as the Celtics are simply too old to rotate quick enough to contain everyone. The 2-4 screen-and-roll is obviously the staple, involving Kobe and Pau for the perfect combination of athleticism, passing ability, chemistry, court vision and mismatches; but the 1-2 pick-and-roll, as used in the fourth quarter of Game 3, should not be overlooked as it is quite useful due to the Celtics not being stupid enough to leave Kobe, even for a second.
It shall be interesting to see if the Celtics come up with adjustments in their defensive scheme for Fisher. He is still the least talented offensive player on the starting roster, and one of the least talented in the rotation, but his ability to transcend that is quite frankly ridiculous. How on earth does a 35-year-old point guard who was never known to be particularly quick run a 1-on-3 fast-break and obtain the three-point play is beyond rational thought. Quite frankly, it would be beneficial for the Lakers if the Celtics did pressure Fisher more, as Fisher will always adapt and meanwhile the additional defensive attention opens up opportunities for other players.
Fisher's backcourt partner, Kobe, seemed to be tired in Game Three. One day's rest, most of which was travel, after two games in which he played heavy minutes in LA, preceded by a series of fast-paced, heavy-minutes games in Phoenix. He wasn't getting as much lift as he normally does on many shots, didn't have his first step all there, and couldn't fade away as well as normal. Many of the shots he took in Game Three were very makable shots for him, when his legs are all there. It is unknown how much the single day of rest will aid him, but hopefully he'll come out with a little more lift in Game Four. If not, he'll likely find a way to adjust. 13 assists, maybe?
Lamar Odom STILL hasn't shown up at all this series. Discounting that banked three, which was just a stupid shot that badly missed but got the lucky bounce, he had 9 and 5 last game. He was certainly efficient, not missing a shot, but he still wasn't aggressive enough. Big Baby actually has the footspeed to keep up with Lamar, but Odom should still be decimating the likes of Perkins and Rasheed Wallace off the dribble. Lamar, feel free to rock up at any time, it might help.
Last game, while Garnett stepped up for the Celtics, no-one truly played well for the Lakers offensively throughout the game. Instead, it was the stifling Los Angeles defense that held him up through the game in the second and third quarter before Derek Fisher closed it. Hopefully today the Lakers' defense will make an appearance, as well as a transcendent offensive player actually playing like a, you know, transcendent offensive player.
Final Thoughts
This is a tough game to determine, even by the standards of this series. With all the heckling of the officials, there's no way of knowing how the fouls will be called. There's no way of knowing if Kobe will be feeling better, if Bynum will continue to play effectively even after tweaking his knee last game or which of the Celtics' Big 4 will show up.
All that's known is that these Celtics want to win, and therefore do NOT want to go down 3-1 in a series, a near insurmountable deficit. Simultaneously, most of these Lakers still remember '08 with a passion, and want redemption for that fateful Game 6 on Boston's parquet, and some of the Lakers are simply polite and wish to fulfill Pierce's prediction.
Both teams desire this game more than any game this series. Who desires it more will be key. In such choppy, foul-plagued, defense-orientated games, execution matters little. It is a matter of will and determination. The team who wants it more will win - these two teams are too evenly matched for one to simply clean 'out-talent' the other, as would often happen in the Regular Season against lesser foes. To quote Al Pacino, "it's the man who's willing to die, who's gonna win that inch"... that inch that will bring them one step closer to that end goal of a championship.
Historically, the Lakers he fared not-so-well in this scenario, often laying an egg losing Game Fours when up 2-1 and having won their previous game, before bouncing back prominently in Game 5. This time, however, I envisage this game at least going to overtime. What happens from there is anybody's guess.
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If any one nedds to step up this game...
IT’S THE REFs!
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
by 2NASHTY on Jun 10, 2010 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
How is a suns fan the first person to comment?
I don’t really even agree with your comment.
I didn't even comment right away too...
I know you don’t agree Jevon. but when your watching these games and are just rooting for an exciting game, I think you tend to see it differently (it’s exciting to you becouse you get to watch your team)… lakers, good luck in trying to make pierces wish come true…
and you didn’t even point out the worst part, a suns fan is the first to comment and he couldn’t even proof read first…What the HELL is a nedds…needs
Epic blogging fail
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
oh
sorry ,I’m not very good at this
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
Hang in there Nashty...
The fact that you are hanging out on this fine Lakers blog is a sign of good things for you!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on Jun 10, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The Lakers have to be the hungrier team tonight
Its cliche. But tonight is a must win. The Lakers have been tied up at 2 a piece before. However, never have they had to play the deciding game 5 away.
The Lakers winning game 4 tonight would wash away all that stress.
Lets get it done. Kobe has to have one of those games tonight.
Where do the Lakers rank in my life? I say Lakers, sex,...and breathing
I agree, that's how I'm feeling as well.
I don’t want to see the Celtics in position to win game 5 tied up 2-2. Every game of the series is a must win, including tonight. I sense a Kobe resurgence, who’s with him?
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Yet the team that's been moaning about 'physicality' is... Boston.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Excellent point.
However, it is how the refs have been throughout the whole series, and it is unlikely to significantly change, so the NBA Champions will likely be the team that most adeptly adjusts to this style of officiating, and so far it has been the Lakers.
I’m so sick of hearing from the Celtics blogs how officiating won the Lakers the game in game 3. Get over it already. The tight officiating, like you mentioned, has been going on for 3 straight games now, and if they’re too dense to get that and adjust then that’s their fault.
They got they're homer goggles on
officiating has not been desciding games, but has made less fun to watch. too many foul calls
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
How come no one ever complains that the players are fouling too much?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
players fouling?
they wouldn’t know how to even if they tried!
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
"PLAYERS, PLEASE STOP FOULING"
Refs should say to them
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
"Dammit, we're tired of blowing these whistles!"
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Just ask 'em
most players will tell ya they’ve never commited a foul in thier careers….
never ever ever.
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
Well, to be fair, neither Tim Duncan or any Celtic has ever committed a foul
and any evidence to the contrary is faulty.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
ha duncan...
I respect his game but does he have make that face every time the whistle blows. Suns and Magic are the oppisite on those teams any one not named Amar’e or Dwight immiedatly raises there hands when the whistle blows.
"I DON'T EAT DAWG EITHER"...."A dawgs got personality, personality goes a long way."
by Mace Windu
Yeah, my roommate is a Wizards fan...
He’s just been hoping for exciting bball, and has been SUPER PISSED at the entire series. Says they’re just boring/awful games. As a Lakers fan, I’m pretty biased, and enjoy watching Lakers bball anyways, but I can still see the point. If I had no rooting interest in the games, I’d probably be pretty pissed at the FT contest going on too…
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jun 10, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I couldn't believe he said this either.
Speaking of fouls, anybody else find Doc Rivers’ comments about the officiating to be laughable? Seriously, complaining about the level of Lakers’ moving screens when it is publicly known Celtic strategy to set illegal screens banking on the notion that the refs can’t call every foul
Kevin Garnett has got to be one of the worst in the NBA at setting illegal screens. I commend the refs for growing some balls and finally calling a foul on him in a crucial situation in game 3 in the 4th quarter.
I think that illegal screen call on Gar was a makeup for the obvious botched call on the out of boundds review where Rondo fouled Odom.
If you havent read Josh’s post, that rule needs to be changed.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on Jun 10, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep I've read that post.
It’s an excellent post by Josh, a stance which I held even before I read it.
none the less
it was the right call. Pau Gasol made the effort to step over the screen to contest the layup and Garnett straight up just pushed him down with two hands. You can’t do that shit, it’s not basketball.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
It was the correct call,
but I think they were gonna call the first travel, out of bounds, foul they could to make up for the obvious blown call.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
really?
you think garnett is worse than perkins?
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
Off hand, yes I do.
Though I’ll admit, I haven’t watched Perkins as closely on defense. I’ll do that tonight, thanks for the tip.
I think Bynum might be the one in foul trouble, hes done a good job staying on the floor so I think hes due for some moving screen calls since Doc is crying.
Its funny back in 08 Doc tried to play the role of the coach that wouldnt cry foul
Now in 2010 when things arent going his way hes doing what Phil did by bitching over fouls. Only Doc has taken his crying to a whole new level.
Ohh how the times have changed
Where do the Lakers rank in my life? I say Lakers, sex,...and breathing
by RA37thriller on Jun 10, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
it'd sure be great if...
the refs called more moving screen fouls in this game… on KG
by mildclubsauce on Jun 10, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah definitely...
Bynum might get a call or maybe two for this but KG, Perkins, Rasheed would be riding the bench after only a few minutes of play. Not sure it was smart of Doc to call attention to this particular part of the game.
Just a thought:
Coudl it be more likely that the C’s get more illegal screens called on them because og the offenses each team runs.
When the Lakers are running the triangle, not alot of screens are being set. However, the C’s use them quite frequently.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on Jun 10, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
anyone noticed that Kobe can't set a solid screen?
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
more like won't
he can, but when he’s pissed he doesn’t take the time to do so, especially when they’re running the offense the wrong way
well...
He doesn’t really have to. Even a semi-solid screen will free up the ballhandler a little bit, and there is essentially no chance they will double on the ballhandler. I mean, leave Kobe free? Seriously?
Secondly, how often does Kobe have to set a screen for someone else? That might be the first time I’ve ever seen Kobe set a screen for someone more than once in a single game.
refs are going back and fourth
we’re going to be the ones in foul trouble today.
i hope that’s not going to be the case, but watching this series makes me wonder.
I say give us the fouls
Bring it on. Give the Celtics 20 more FTs…whatever. Even with Kobe on the bench we threw game 2 away…was LAs to take. If LA can win today with serious ref disadvantage then maybe Boston will shut up about officiating.
fouls, schmouls
Count me as one who doesn’t think the officiating has been nearly as bad as portrayed (even in Game 2, which the Lakers lost). There’s just more scrutiny. Foul calls or non-calls that would have barely merited a yawn in the regular season are drawing tantrums now. That’s not to say there haven’t been wrong calls, or bad calls (those aren’t the same thing, after all)—just not as many as people say.
Inconsistent (as opposed to biased) officiating merely throws more noise into the mix. Generally, that favors the inferior team, but even so, the superior team should still win the series.
Has Rivers been fined?
If PJ aired the same comments, he would have been fined by now.
Sorry, real quick, off topic
Can any mods here disable the autostart on CoachNick videos?
He posts them on FanShots and they load as soon as you head over there.
Thanks.
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Done
Wasn’t sure best how to contact him, but I replied to one of his earlier comments and told him he is free to re-post the videos, provided they do not auto-start.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gil Meriken on Jun 10, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
thanks
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
by bluexfalcon on Jun 10, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Wave, I don't judge, just tell me you don't wear woman's clothes.
by rickfox on Jun 10, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
No way, man!
I’m a heterosexual and masculine male! The only reason I saw that god forsaken movie was because my sister’s under 18 and there’s no way she would have been able to get in without it. That movie is a disgrace to my race!
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
So would that make me a good bf?
I realized (as i waited in line for the movie alone while my gf went to jamba juice) that sex and the city fans are just star wars geeks in high heels, they both dress up.
"They call me the Muffin Man"
by true_lakerfan on Jun 10, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
If you're seeing the movie with your girlfriend
You don’t have to feel embarrassed. It’s a movie about love and romance, and I’m sure she’s very appreciative for you sharing a special moment like this with her.
I have never heard that kind of analogy about movie fans ever before. Those are the last two movies I would ever draw a comparison to.
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
hopefully no one's girlfriend here likes vampire movies, than the ribbing
will ensue.
by rickfox on Jun 10, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I like vampire movies
as long as “twilight” isn’t in the title. Give me Bela Lugosi, Christopher Lee and Leslie Nielson any day.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
I like underworld 1, 2
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." -Kobe
by rs850_Lakers on Jun 10, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
that's cool, the original Nosferatu, you should check out
Twilight movies are not cool.
by rickfox on Jun 10, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I've seen "Nosferatu" several times, have it on video (unable to find it on DVD).
Great movie.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
sadly i have to go watch the new twilight movie at the end of the month
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
Why?
How could you possibly be obligated to watch…(takes a deep breath)…SPARKLY VAMPIRES!?!
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
Oh, it'll be fun
Even if the movie is laughably bad, you’ll enjoy the experience in the long run.
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
Community service? That'll teach you.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Of course I do
i AM a girl, after all. I especially enjoy trying on teasing outfits. I don’t know about you, but Sex in the City 2’s a guilty pleasure for me.
by California Waves on Jun 10, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
lol
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
by bluexfalcon on Jun 10, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
this is getting weird Waves
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
lol sorry Madz, I couldn't resist another joke
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
this was weird
when it started.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
not to mention
awkward when everyone recommends reading it and it just gets worse and worse and worse.
I guess Califorania Waves really is getting to him!!!!!!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on Jun 10, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Guillermo from JKL
was asking the Lakers & Celtics about Sex and the City 2 lol
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
by bluexfalcon on Jun 10, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
jimmy kimmel live
Where do the Lakers rank in my life? I say Lakers, sex,...and breathing
by RA37thriller on Jun 10, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Jimmy Kimmel Live
my bad.
(psst. I made it FanShot)
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
by bluexfalcon on Jun 10, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I just watched it
Wow. The players handled themselves pretty well. They looked about as compelled by the movie as I was. Lamar Odom looked the most interested out of all of them. I wonder whether Paul Pierce answered “yes” or “no”, they never showed it. I feel sorry for the players if this is the type of media barrage they go through day after day.
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
lol it was a joke
Are you familiar with Guillermo and Jimmy Kimmel?
if not, then you don’t understand the context is all :)
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
I’m guessing Jimmy Kimmel Live works kinda like the Late Show with David Letterman…it’s supposed to be for laughs…and Guillermo’s a member of the show.
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
deadpan comedy at its best
See: Cabbie and Kobe
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
yea I know lol :)
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Any Given Sunday was pretty good
Wiiiillie Beeeamon
You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-FUCK Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!
Any Given Sunday is an AWESOME movie!
Tony D’Amato: If you’re gonna be a loser, raise your hand. IF you’re gonna act like a (wimp), raise your hand.
[Julian Washington stands up and raises his hand]
Tony D’Amato: What the hell are you doing, J?
Julian Washington: Well, I didn’t want you to be the only (wimp) with your hand up, so I thought I’d help you out.
Yes, I censored out the word that rhymes with flussy.
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by Nate Timmons on Jun 10, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
And Tony's speech before the final game... dayem.
Not to mention how he fucks his old team over at the Press Conference – by the time it got to there, I was hoping he’d do something like that.
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure."
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Celtics Fan: I hope David Stern is feeling good about our team tonight...

"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
by Joshua S on Jun 10, 2010 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Are the ref complaints any different now than in previous years?
Winning the Finals means that players and coaches adapt not only to their opponent, but also to the way the games are being called over the series. I’m blown away by how many posts here and on the CelticsBlog are focused on officiating. Kind of sucks the fun out things.
"Winning takes talent; to repeat takes character." - John Wooden
We got the short end of the stick with officiating back in 08
I feel absolute zero pity for the Celtics and their fans
Where do the Lakers rank in my life? I say Lakers, sex,...and breathing
by RA37thriller on Jun 10, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would say Artest is the least talented offensive player at this point in the Finals lol
And with that thinking it’s his turn in the revolving door of Lakers making an impact on the offensive end. He’s due for a 4-7 night from behind the arc and a cpl of easy baskets.
I have predicted this. It shall come to pass.
You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-FUCK Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!
For the Lakers?
You wouldn’t give that title to one of your bench players?
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
Well Mbenga, Powell and Ammo dont get any playing time lol
and Ron Ron has sucked on the offensive end thus far. Im not mad at him for that cuz he shut Pierce’s punk ass down but i think he’s gonna contribute on offense tonight
You are a witness to the Black Mamba 2010 revenge tour..Seattle, check, Utah,check, Phoenix,check.. Boston-FUCK Boston! This aint 08.Lakers repeat!
OT
This is funny. My work’s filter blocks Celtisblog.com but doesn’t block SS&R. What a smart filter. :)
hahaha
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by bluexfalcon on Jun 10, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
hehe..
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta tell Pau, Bynum, and Kobe to be very very careful
If you believe in the “refs will try to extend series” theme, one or more of them will be in quick foul trouble to limit their minutes.
Not that being careful will matter if this is true, as they will find some way to make a call on them.
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Maybe this can be a blessing in disguise.
It will give Lamar tons of minutes and really force him to get his head in the game.
Still hoping Drew can play
if not Odom needs to step up and avoid foul trouble
BYNUM SAID HES GOOD TO GO
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by true_lakerfan on Jun 10, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome!!!!
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I doubt he sits out, he’s not that type of player.
They want power. We want respect...
by SenorChuckles on Jun 10, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
its a game of runs. If the Celtics make more runs, they win the game. If the Lakers make more runs then they’ll win the game. There’s nothing else to talk about. Oh wait, well Kobe could not take the ball up when the subs are in with him so they have to pass it to him to initiate the offense instead of him passing to them and watching them dribble. He could also, go back to driving instead of the long range shots unless his legs are underneath him. Pau could work to re-establish himself agains Garnett instead of whatever he was doing on offense last night because he wasn’t in good deep post position often in that second half. Also, Pau need to stop with the hesitation. Fisher needs to continue picking his spots and picking them well. BrownMar need to make sure to make smart decisions with the ball and stop just dribbling the clock out before passing to Kobe. Ron needs not be hesitant, but at the same time I don’t want him to be proactive to make his own shot. Just a few of the things that I wanted to put down for us to do.
A lot of pundits, bloggers, seem to be saying the same thing: Paul Pierce is out of gas
After going through Dwayne Wade’s defense, Lebron James Defense and a wishy-washy Orlando series, some are questioning Pierce’s resolve through the Finals. Obviously, he and Doc don’t want to give Ron Artest any credit, things are different this time around.
Is Ron Artest the straw that broke Paul Pierce back?
Anyone care to chime in on the matter?
by rickfox on Jun 10, 2010 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
Where does Paul Pierce get his points?
Here is a nice link showing where Pierce gets his points: http://celticshub.com/2010/04/09/the-decline-of-paul-pierces-mid-range-game/
In the Lakers-Celtics Finals in 2008 Pierce was really effective drawing fouls and he had his nice postup-fadeaway jumper game going for him.
With a much stronger defender on him, Pierce seems to have a tough time getting easy baskets (postups, layups, open shots) getting him going. Additionally, the Lakers are doing a good job of not fouling Pierce. In game 3, Pierce only made 2 free throws (in 2009-2010 Pierce made 5.2 free throws a game).
It also seems to me that the Celtics are not forcing the Pierce-Artest matchup. In game 3, we saw KG being used a lot closer to the basket to exploit a strength in that matchup. If the Celtics want to use Pierce a lot, they are going to have to pass to him on the move because Artest won’t back down easily to Pierce’s postup game.
by ClipperTheorist on Jun 10, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
SUARAV
Kelly Dwyer completely disagrees with you on your technical point about the triangle not working against Bostons D. He also contends that the pick and roll is a no no against Boston bc Kevin Garnett is the best pick and roll defender ever. Food for thought. I dunno either way for sure yet.
KD is right that the triangle can work against them
I didn’t see the part that said pick n roll wouldn’t work. But he is right that the triangle at its basics can work against the Boston D. It just relies on the fact that our bigs, namely Pau, will have to handle passes and get into position better than they did in game 3. Combined with the pick and roll, the triangle can break any defense you put on it. Its jut a matter of faster ball movement and quicker decisions without the hesitation we’ve seen from the perimeter the past two games, and the hesitation from the post in game 3. It can blow their zone to pieces as long as we get good penetration on the pick and roll and good position in the post. Plus, we need to spend more possessions with Kobe and Pau on the same side where Kobe passes to Pau and cuts off or Pau picks for Kobe because this was our best method of attack in game 1 when they played our bigs out of their post position. The sideline triangle as long as our other perimeter players remain a threat can break their partial zone.
btw
Kelly Dwyer also thinks that if the Lakers play the right way Pau Gasol is the MVP, so go figure with that one.
it's plausible
From a statistical point of view, it’s a defensible position. Pau’s scoring less than Kobe, but doing it much more efficiently, even (I think) when you take into account their different positions (i.e., post vs perimeter).
However, that’s only one perspective on MVP. The other is a bit more holistic, a bit less quantifiable, a bit more subjective, but in my opinion no less real. And that is, what player drives the team’s success? Given that Kobe handles the ball more than anybody, and shoots more than anybody, and the Lakers are usually successful when he does so, I don’t see how it could be anybody else by that measure. But it’s only in that sense where I think it’s indisputable.
So a lot depends on what you mean by MVP. I don’t find that a flaw. You get a bunch of voters (well, ten) and collectively you get a composite view of what it means to be MVP, and who most embodies that. Seems fair to me.
KD has been saying Pau's been the Lakers' MVP for years
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
P&R is part of the triangle offense
So to speak. I think I remember Phil Jackson saying that—that it’s one of the actions available to the team in the triangle offense.
Having said that, because “read and react” is a central tenet of the triangle offense, it would be difficult to say that any particular play is definitively not part of the triangle offense. However, if the Lakers were to run P&R as the initiating action all the time, I’d say that it was not being run out of the triangle.
KG WAS the best PnR defender ever
But, post-surgery? Nah, not really.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope all the Celtics ref whining backfires on them
Everyone in their organization is now complaining – players, fans, refs, and even owners. I hope the refs are able to take it all with a grain of salt and ref a fair game in game 4.
It’s not like the refs haven’t played nice for the Celtics anyways. There have been TONS of lakers in foul trouble. The one game where Ron Artest wasn’t in foul trouble he was crazy efficient on offense. Lamar Odom finally had a game without foul trouble. Fish and Kobe have had serious foul trouble. The Lakers have been called for moving screens, but the Celtics have been called for more because they SET MORE.
Not only that, but the Celtics have deserved AT LEAST 3 technical fouls in this series but the refs have swallowed their whistles because they don’t want to be calling that kind of stuff at this level.
So the Lakers need to play calm, cool, and focused. The Celtics are going to give them their best punch but like they always do they just have to counter-jab and force the Celtics to play THEIR game.
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i wish they get what they want and the refs call it real tight
Rondo ,Allen , Garnett , Perkins will foul out by the 3 quarter
Go!!! Lakers!!
The Celtics players, coach, fans and owners can kiss my grits.
That is all.
by I eat leprechauns for breakfast on Jun 10, 2010 1:11 PM PDT reply actions
What? You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?
Wait, sorry, I misread your name……my bad.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Erm, Drew may not play tonight?
That’s huge, he’s been a very important part of our defensive presence inside.
In the last two games, the Celtics have taken more shots in close than we have!
Celtics shots at the rim (games 2 and 3): 33-68 = 48% (good defense, but game 3 they shot 60%+ at the rim)
Celtics shots less than 10’ (games 2 and 3): 10-15= 67% very good.
Lakers shots at the rim (games 2 and 3): 24-38= 63%. Very nice, but we took 30 less shots than the Celtics? WTF?
Lakers shots less than 10’ (games 2 and 3); 10-23= 43%. We shot (and missed) 8 more than the Celtics.
Total Celtics “in close shooting” (at rim and less than 10’): 43-83= 52%
Total Lakers “in close shooting”: 34-61=56%
So, in games 2-3, the Celtics have taken 20 more shots in close than we have, and are converting at 52%. Why is that? I thought we dominated the low-post game?
Well, in game 2 we had 14 blocks, and in game 3 we had 7 blocks. We’re controlling the paint with our size and length. Without Drew, this changes things dramatically, as he’s been responsible for 8 of the 21 blocks over the last two games. Lamar? He’s had 0 blocks over the last two games.
Food for thought, scary perspective on where our dominance comes from. Yes we score a lot of points in the paint, but so does Boston. We’ve just been dominating the boards and blocks.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
thats because last game Kobe took a gazillion outside jumpers and
we really couldn’t set the offense right with the Celtics playing great d
Wait a second, take a closer look
Last two games, broken down.
In-close shooting (at-the-rim, less than 10’):
Games 2 Lakers, 14-27.
Game 3 Lakers, 20-34.
Game 2 Celtics, 18-46.
Game 3 Celtics, 25-37.
This has nothing to do with Kobe, as you can see we’ve been dominated on the inside shots over games 2 and 3. Ray Allen was on fire in game 2, and they still took 42 shots inside. Game 3? 25-37? That’s pretty dominant. KG was a big part of that, sure, but still…
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
Correction, 46 shots inside
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
That doesn't account for free throws
The Celtics’ big men actually employ a strategy of fouling every time down low, for three reasons. Firstly, no easy baskets. Second, intimidation. Third, it banks on the notion that the refs won’t call every foul. And then the C’s bitch about foul trouble. Go figure.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I'll take 12 and 5 from LO every night ...
Plus 5-5 from the field.
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I'd rather 10 and 15
on 5-9 from the field
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I don't get to post on here nearly as much as I'd like to.
I’ve had finals and papers getting in my way, but it’s nice to have somewhere to have a good discussion about the Lakers. There are a lot of Bay Area people who bash on the Lakers and it gets quite annoying having them root for the C’s just to spite the Lakers.
yeah
I tried to pick the brain of some Golden State of Mind bloggers and basically their only reasons for hating LA as much as they do was because they hate LA sports teams like the Dodgers and its “a nor cal so cal thing”
The reality is they are downright jealous of the Lakers success. I would be too if I was a warriors fan.
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cuz lakers fans are so cocky and arrogant
and don’t understand logic
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That's why lakers fans are hated
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You know what I find interesting?
It seems to me that Clipper fans hate the lakers with every fiber of their soul plus the force of million suns. How the hell is that possible? I got love for all L.A. teams even though I am a laker fan and dodger fan more so than the clippers and angels. But where does their nazi like hate for the lakers come from? It’s bizarre to me.
That's all about jealousy, pure and simple. They can't help themselves.
The Lakers are the older sister who gets all new clothes, shoes, even a car when she turns 16. The Clippers are the youngest sister who gets hand-me-downs and the family station wagon. The fans react to that.
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clippers don't even get hand me downs
they are the child who is put up for adoption, end up in a family with 14 children barely getting by and yet keep showing up at the door when you have people over.
Our goal is to win the championship, not just the first game
-KG's recent nightmare
Yeah I dont really get that
The C’s, Lakeshow rivalry is east coast vs west coast; western conference vs eastern conference
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by RA37thriller on Jun 10, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, like Tupac and Biggie.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
when it comes to the Warriors fans beef with the Lakers
It can be related to why the Scottish hate the English. The Scots are north of the English just like the Dubs and Lakers. The Scots are mad because the English have owned and colonized them since the begining of time
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by RA37thriller on Jun 10, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't wait til the audio of this is posted at 4pm Pacific
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127747670
NPR – Kobe Bryant is known as a focused, driven player and one of the best — if not THE best — in the NBA. But he’s also got an attitude when it comes to the press.
I already don’t like the sound of it … hatas! hahaha
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liked it
Nothing I didn’t really know or guess before, but I liked the way they presented it. I think the point that Kobe has fewer endorsements to protect is a revealing one.
Defense
The Biggest Key to the LAKERS winning is playing the D allowing 89 and 84 points equal wins Keep it up two more times and The Defending Champs will become the Back to Back World Champs Can’t Beat L.A.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:27 PM PDT reply actions
Hi! Yeah, I like hanging at this blog. Kind of confusing at CelticsBlog, lol.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too. How is it confusing at CelticsBlog?
You guys need to not fall behind by 17 tonight.
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Gamethreads are confusing.
Yeah, i was at game 3.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, you told me you had tickets
Too bad a game that started out so well ended so poorly.
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yeah that was tough. I thought thety were going to win late in the game, but Fisher took over.
Hey, Im having a Celtics chat at my website if you want to join.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I'm about to go outside for a walk.
I want you to come to the game thread here tonight. It’ll be fun.
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I’ll try.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree.
Gamethreads are much worse over there than pretty much any blog on SB Nation. Why did they change the format of their gamethreads?
No clue
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
TRAITOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
What?
I’m a Cavs fan! I want us to get beaten by the NBA champs, non an inconsistent squad of old guys.
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Woohoo! Celtics!!
lol jk. Im not going to troll like that, lol.
BTW, have you guys seen a guy named “celtics suck, #24, Lakers rule” here, beacuse I saw him at CelticsBlog being a troll.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
never ever been here
or got banned long ago
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions
You're a traitor 'cuz you sidle up to us Lakers fans all nice and sweet
then turn around and cheat on us with a Celtics fan. ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!!!
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ahaha
Wave you’re screwed bud! ;p
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LOL! Not on game day, sorry!
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the only thing confusing at celticsblog
is whether the refs simply have it out for the celtics on a personal level or david stern is controlling them to make sure the series extends.
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I think Stern has the series fixed on going seven games.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
so I guess the celtics win tonight then? Unfortunate that it's going to be empty and referee ordained.
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Celtics win next two, Lakers win game six, who knows about game 7.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
so if you think david stern is fixing the series
why do you bother watching, much less PAYING to go to the games?
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beacuse I love the Celtics, and think they can still win the series
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
do you think David Stern fixed game 3?
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in a way. The Celtics could have won it, but the Lakers played better, though the refs were on your side, where I expect them on ours the next two games
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, let me ask you this:
What incentive would Stern have for fixing game three? If the Celtics won, he’d still have to fix game 4 or 5 to make sure the Lakers took one of those. If the Lakers won, he’d still have to fix 4 or 5 to make the Celtics took one (or two of those).
Fixing game three would make absolutely no sense because regardless of the outcome he’d have to fix another game if he wanted the series to go at least six games back in LA.
Thank you, come again.
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he wants the series to go seven for more money. More games, more revenue, more publicity for the league.
He fixed game three so the Lakers win in Boston would be over with.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
that is so stupid
If he wanted to do that, he would fix game four or game five. Why fix game three? Now he has to make sure that the Lakers don’t win three straight on the Celtics homecourt and he has to fix ANOTHER game.
Or do you think David Stern was just “counting” on the Celtics winning at least one home game? Seems to me like he’s smarter than that, and he would just fix the one game he needed to in order to guarantee the outcome he wanted. Less fix = less referee conspiracy to deal with = more money.
Fixing game three makes no sense, you’re in denial.
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no, I think it wasnt exactly fixed, but it was slightly lopsided. The Celtics could have won, Lakers were better
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
what reason would david stern have for even making it slightly lopsided?
Again, see my explanation. There is no incentive whatsoever for David Stern to exert any influence on game 3.
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I'm going to argue with you
because people like you are hurting my finals experience and it sucks.
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?????
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
?????
Do I have to make it more clear to you? People like you that are crying conspiracy are taking a great deal away from the game that I know and love, so you sure as hell better be able to back up your claims when you make them.
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I think I just did.
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
no, you said that David Stern influenced the refs in game 3
and I told you there is no incentive whatsoever for him to exert any influence over them. I’m not going to re-explain why. I did so twice. Do you still believe Stern influenced the refs in game three?
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He influenced the series, not exactly game three
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
okay, thank you
I can live with that, for now. At first you said he fixed game three, now you concede he had no sway over it. Thank you.
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You aint winning this one Justin
Best to not let others ruin your Finals experience.
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this
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I don't think you are
Just giving out free advice to those who don’t like your opinion.
Free advice, so easy for me to give.
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I have won the battle
the war still wages
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uhh, no
Conspiracy theories are unfalsifiable. I’ve never seen conspiracy theorists lay down, in concrete detail, reasonable conditions under which they would concede the theory was false. Most of them never even consider the possibility; the theory’s truth is a foregone conclusion for them.
Each year, everyone complains about the referees at one point or another. There are charges of the NBA engineering outcomes. Yet no referee ever comes out and admits this? Even after they leave the game? Tim Donaghy has never revealed any fixing? (The most he has said is that referees have tendencies, and that this is a good basis on which to make bets.) It’s not ironclad, but to me it’s a good prima facie case that there is no conspiracy.
Dude, if the Lakers were better, the Celtics couldn't have won.
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The Celtics had a chance, but the Lakers stopped them and played better
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you said Stern fixed the game
so you meant he was one of the players who stopped the Celtics from winning? Seriously, if the Lakers stopped them, what did Stern have to do with it? Was his spirit in Derek’s body when he blew past Garnett and Allen and Davis?
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No, I said Stern has fixed the series to go seven. Anyone can win the series, and I actully think the Lakers have the advantage
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You also said he fixed Game 3 for the Lakers to win.
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the series, not game three exactly
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
And if the series doesn't go seven?
Then what will that mean?
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So then, why have so few Finals series gone to 7 in recent history?
And why in the world did freaking San Antonio win 3 championships this decade?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Then he must have fixed Game 2 for you guys to win.
He’s on a roll!
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yes he did
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
So which is it, is he fixing specific games, which are part of the series
or is he fixing the series overall? Since he fixed Game 2 for you guys and Game 3 for us, how will the rest of it go?
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he didn't fix game 3, bostonsports admitted
and even if he did fix game 1, Boston played like crap and there was no way they’d win that game.
So basically, according to bestbostonsports David Stern so far has kept his team in the series by fixing games for them (Game 2).
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
owned, I must say.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
btw I made a fanpost diagramming my theories on the whole conspiracy theory thing over on celticsblog
in case anyone wants to see how Boston fans react
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I assume you have already been banned?
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Man I was hoping to see a diagram
But still I get your point
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Tonight, what I'm looking for
is Cetlics trying to get Paul, Allen and Garnett going and Lakers being ready to take those options away, it will be another ugly grind out game that I hope the Lakers win.
I expect a better game from Kobe, Gasol steepping up to limit Garnett and Artest must hit some shots and still play great defense.
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The Celtics need Paul to play better
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah a matchup, I would look for early
and thats why I say Artest needs to hit shots because if Paul is going to go on the attack which I expect early then Artest must go back at him
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I hope Ron doesn't read your message.
The last thing we need is Artest trying to make it shot and “go back at [Pierce].”
not like that
meaning stay aggressive, contribute to the offense when he can, not take a personal 1 on 1 attack, thats not what I mean but Artest has to make those threes when he is open and just be positively involved in the offense thats it. Maybe is asking alot and if it is I’ll just settle for some Artest D
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this may be a stupid question, but what exactly is an illegal screen?
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a screen that is illleagal ;)
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
setting a screen, and the moving your feet
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
you're not allowed to move when you set a screen
you’re not allowed to turn sideways
you’re not allowed to lower your shoulder
your arms have to be down, most players keep their hands crossed over their groin
your feet must be absolutely set. If they give ground, the screen is over
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which happens alot but really I define an illegal screen being whatever and whenever the refs want to call it
to be honest, all screen I’ve seen are illegal in this matchup from Boston to the Lakers but it is up to the refs eyes and what they want to call at the moment, thats why refs are soo crucial and do effect the game, BADLY and I would stick by them either not calling nothing or getting rid of the refs for good
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+ your feet must be shoulder width apart
some players just like to spread them
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-KG's recent nightmare
yep, also a rule, good catch
you must be within your body when you set the screen basically…arms and legs
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and, obviously, no shoving the player being screened off
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:29 AM PDT up reply actions
VOTED!
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Who voted against the Lakers!?!
Blasphemy!
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bestbostonsports and 17andover
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I didnt vote
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
yet?
:)
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I did now
and what were you talking about with me?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
uh nothing. just chillin here waitin for da game.
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"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
lol I typed the 2 nearest celtic fans
it happened to be you two :)
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"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
oh, then my fault guy.
Lakers all day! :)
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"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
let's get it done
finish it by sunday laker, so i can focus on the World Cup
YES!
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Is anyone here a lacrosse fan?
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by bestbostonsports on Jun 10, 2010 3:44 PM PDT reply actions
negative
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
I think the Celtics will take game four
I think the Lakers will play not quite as hard, knowing that they have homecourt advantage back. Also, the entire Boston organization has whined SO much about the referees it’s hard to believe that the Lakers won’t get the serious short end of the stick tonight.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Uh, nothing about him NOT playing has shown up
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Thanks
Heard whispers that he was a game time decision
by Julio Nievas on Jun 10, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
he'll play, doesn't sound like he'll be as effective as he has been, maynbe 20+ minutes
by rickfox on Jun 10, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I said that to give Bynum a lot of rest.
by Julio Nievas on Jun 10, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He said he was good to go
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
come on now bestbostonsports
in a way. The Celtics could have won it, but the Lakers played better, though the refs were on your side, where I expect them on ours the next two games
mind elaborating :]
"When I dunk, I put something on it. I want the ball to hit the floor before I do."
-Darryl Dawkins
if you continue to read that thread
I convinced him that David Stern didn’t play a role in game three
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
oh i didnt see that
but i dont get why he excpects the refs to be on bostons side when they shouldnt even be on a side to begin with
so if lakers lose tonight can we all blame the refs for being on bostons side?
and as far as rivers flopping cries go…
If you flop when you are hit with an illegal screen, is it really a flop or should you try to navigate around the screen without exposing the screeners foul?
"When I dunk, I put something on it. I want the ball to hit the floor before I do."
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by njzfinest5013 on Jun 10, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
personally I don't believe there's a david stern conspiracy
If there’s any reason the refs will be on Boston’s side tonight it’s because every player, coach, fan, and owner of theres has been whining about the referees ever since game three. The refs may cave to this, they are human too.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
bynum limited in shootaround
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5273498
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thanks a bunch for responding! :-)
once a laker fan.. always a laker fan!!!
by purplediva24 on Jun 10, 2010 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
and Welcome to SS&R!
If nobody has already said that to you.
:)
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Did no one say Welcome to you?
:)
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Chill, dude
It’s customary for the regulars to welcome new commenters to the board.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 10, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
word
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
I mistook you for a C's fan at first too
probably cause of your username and the fact that the Celtics have 17 banners =p
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
haha
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
But that's where the key is as to why he's not a Celtics fan.
Boston will never get “over” 17 banners. :)
Fairly, yes.
I write front page for the A’s (I know) site, so it’s hard to find time to check out other sites. But I will say this, the writing here is exceptional. Love it.
I'm here to talk about the past.
lol besides
I already got my eyes on this one fly girl.
Her name is California Waves
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Sorry man, I don't think she'll be showing up tonight
Out of respect for Justin N, Madz, and Marty Mart
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
For those looking for a big game from Kobe scoring-wise
Boston will not let it happen – they have already demonstrated that they would rather have Derek Fisher beat them than lose sight of Kobe. And that is good news for the Lakers, because I think they know that too, so why not keep taking the door that’s open until it closes?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
From Woj
Andrew Bynum is playing Game 4 but there’s great doubt within Lakers about how long, and how effectively, he can play on that damaged knee.
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Funny, Mike Trudell is usually going crazy with tweets by now
I wonder why he’s relatively quiet today
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Per Trudell
Phil Jackson said that Bynum (knee) will indeed start & again try to play through the discomfort. Expect Odom after 6-7 min.
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Fishmores, you beat me to it again!
:)
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
no team is completely healthy
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Heading out to my nephew's
To hang out with the rest of my Laker fan family.
Let’s do this, guys!
I'm here to talk about the past.
Did any one see the pic. of Bynum at Dunkin Donuts yesterday.
Fucker had 2 large bags. He better be ready
rofl
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
do you have a link?
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
lmao

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"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
ROFL!!!!!!
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
"just chillin coach"

Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
knee looks fine to me
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
that thing on his head (headphones obviously) reminds me of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.....
right before Nicholson gets his final “treatment”. Ouch.
Either that or he has a wooden spoon stuck to his head.
Maybe some extra from Star Trek The Next Generation?
Not sure, but it looks funny.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
those slippers! ROFL

Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
No Bynum
the look is all wrong LOL
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That's like Britney Spears going into a gas station restroom without shoes
or leaving the house with curlers in your hair. It should never happen!
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Just looks like a young colt
All gangly and unbalanced
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
I bet he had to get donuts for the team. He's the youngest one there right?
Before it was prolly Sun Yue, but we all know he gets lost easy.
Before that, Coby Karl
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
It's probably Ammo
Bynum’s had 5 seasons in the League, Ammo is in his fourth. Plus, Ammo is Ammo.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions
lmao
DJ Mbenga says he speaks 7 languages understands Spanish & Croatian points to head and says “Computer Baby”
via @DuranLA
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"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
I got you. Look up
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
dont forget to use the reply button buddy
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
bynum from twitter
Game 4..let’s do this.
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
Drew gotta twitter?
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
i just found out myself
"You are asking me if LeBron is going to New York?, I’m trying to tell you in a polite way, I don’t give a shit"
He'd better put it away now or get fined by the league.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Might not really be him
Could be an imposter account, a la Farmar’s from earlier this year.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 10, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi SoCalGal
I went out for a walk, which why I didn’t respond.
Damn. You burned me pretty bad. Please understand that bestbostonsports doesn’t mean as much to me as you do.
Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.
Glad to hear it, but we'll have to cut this short so as to not piss anyone off. Hi Dex!
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ahahaha
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
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Don't mind it in the Fanpost
I’m more protective of the front page.
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 10, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
are you at the game?
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Nope!
Being in LA > being in Boston
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by DexterFishmore on Jun 10, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
somehow I had the impression you live in the East. NY area.
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
because of the NY radio interviews?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Which Fanpost is this?
You keep mentioning it aha
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions
lmao
TEH BUTTSTANK
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
I don't think it's him
Not Verified.
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
Not a good historical precedent for tonight
http://www.whowins.com/2010series/nba2010o.html
HISTORICAL VICTORY PROBABILITIES: Leading WLW @ HHV:
Game 4 record, NBA only, Finals round: 1-10 (.091)
but it’s a good historical precedent for the series
HISTORICAL VICTORY PROBABILITIES: Leading WLW @ HHV:
series record, NBA only, Finals round: 11-0 (1.000)
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
LAs turn to make some history tonight!
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That's the spirit! Let's Go!!
Queensbridge. Littlerock.
"Derek Fisher shouldn't be allowed to shoot unless theres fewer than one second on the shot clock" - Kelly Dwyer
I hate
to see thugs rewarded. The postgame will be all about how Boston “outmuscled” the Lakers
Small comments
Ok article. But not to include the Celtics big men in the foul discussion is ridiculous. Garnett was taken out of the first two games more or less with rapid questionable fouls. Yes yes he is hurt and not the same as the earlier round of the playoffs that is all clear. But you see in game 3 he can still contribute more than a little if allowed to play with some freedom. Too bad the Celtics cannot seem to get their players more in sync for a full game. The fouls do have something to do with it. They are more physical and the tight calls have not surprisingly hurt them proportionally more. There are a lot of horrendous calls on both sides also. And yes, Fisher flops. He is damn good at it though. I used to play a little and I think he is hit sometimes till I see the replay. Impressive even though I do not like that kind of game.
By the way, Rondo is a great defensive player but his sometimes weakness is to gamble too much for poke steals. Fisher caught him big time with this in game 3. I wish Rondo would cut down the gambles since solid pressure has much the same effect.
by Celtics_fan_in_cali on Jun 10, 2010 10:57 PM PDT reply actions
I don't discuss the Celtics bigs' foul trouble
because it’s essentially Boston strategy to intentionally foul down low in order to prevent the easy basket. Perimeter players on both sides are getting called for touch fouls, whereas the Boston bigs generally foul obviously and often. While they obviously have some bad calls go against them, as does every player in the NBA, they to an extent deserve them due to their reputation.
Intentionally fouling hard has three potential benefits in that it prevents the easy basket, may intimidate the opposition and if they foul on virtually every play, the refs won’t call every foul.
While it’s true that the Boston bigs have had some bad calls called on them, there have also been numerous instances when they’ve fouled but gotten away with it.
Fisher flops, yes, but so does virtually everyone in this series. As I said, if you watch Fisher’s highlight reel from Game 3, virtually every score he made included a Celtic flopping. The issue is, the Celtics didn’t get the calls, simply because of human nature on the part of the refs – it’s more believable that a 6’10" power forward can knock a 6’1" point guard on his ass than the other way round.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jun 11, 2010 2:48 AM PDT up reply actions

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