A walk in the park - Lakers handle Jazz in Game 2
by C.A. Clark on May 4, 2010 11:43 PM PDT
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PrintAs playoff games go, they don't come more simplistic than that. No, the Lakers didn't blast the Utah Jazz as was seen in the night's other contest, but in defeating the Jazz 111-103, the Lakers never lost control of the contest. The Jazz made the same push that saw them take a 4 point lead in Game 1, but the closest they ever got was to reduce the deficit to 6 points. Down the stretch, the Lakers played with such relaxation that they might as well have been taking a lovely stroll. This one was never in doubt.
The story of the night was the Laker bigs. Good freaking God, did they destroy the Jazz. Pau Gasol had 22 points on 11 shots, with 15 boards, but that wasn't even the story inside. Perhaps even more impressive, Andrew Bynum had 17 points on 9 shots, with 14 boards (and I believe something like 13 of those rebounds in the 1st half). The difference between Drew's comfort level on the court between Games 1 and 2 was incredible. In Game 1, every time Drew made a move or jumped for a ball, you could see him limping for the next 30 seconds. In Game 2, you could have told me he was 100%, and I'd believe you. He didn't look hampered in any way. He just raised the confidence of all of Laker Nation in one contest, because a well-performing Drew = a dominant Lakers team. Not to be outdone, Lamar Odom played one of his most effective games off the bench. 11 points on 4 shots, with another 15 boards to add to the grand total. He also added 3 blocks, which was the average as Drew added 4 and Pau added 2.
So, let's review. LO, Drew, and Pau combined for 50 points on 24 shots, 44 rebounds (as compared to the Jazz's 40 as a team) and 9 blocks. I feel safe saying that if the Lakers get that kind of production out of the combined minutes at the 4 and 5, there isn't a team in this league that can match them. For a team that can be so dominant inside, but far too often either ignores the post completely or fails to take advantage properly, this game was a breath of fresh air.
This isn't to say the Lakers played without flaw. The Jazz had waaaay too much success on the offensive glass (so did the Lakers, but this is the part where I talk about the negatives). 19 offensive boards for the Jazz, which is technically one more than L.A., but this is one of those instances where the stats lie to you. The Jazz may have out boarded the Lakers on the offensive end, 19-18, but the Jazz had nearly 50% more opportunities, due to the fact that they missed 58 shots, as compared to the Lakers missing only 39. For those of you too tired or lazy to divide the numbers yourselves, that's a 33% ORR for the Jazz and a 46% ORR for the Lakers. The Jazz's effort is too high for comfort, but in the grand scheme of things, it's tough to complain to loudly about the Lakers efforts on the boards.
The other areas of concern were turnovers and outside shooting. The Lakers played a relatively sloppy game, and their 20 turnovers (as compared to only 10 for the Jazz) is what kept this game from reaching the same laughable status as the opening game of this double-header. The Lakers will need to clean that up heading into Utah and beyond. As for the outside shooting, the Lakers were once again sub 25% from deep, highlighted by a 1-7 shooting line from deep for Ron Artest, a line that's becoming quite the norm these days. To his credit, Ron Ron actually had one of his best offensive games in months, because he made quite a few cuts and played his role in the triangle quite well, en route to going 6-10 for all shots taken from within 22 feet. Meanwhile, on the other side, the Jazz shot better from 3 pt range than they did from the field overall. The guards did not do a great job closing out on shooters, though the coaches deserve a fair share of the blame for insisting on a double team of the post no matter which player is involved. Memo to Phil Jackson: If CJ Miles is posting up Kobe Bryant, you might just want to let that one roll instead of watching Fisher show to the post and fail to recover as Deron Williams drains another open outside look.
The bench redeemed themselves somewhat, to the tune of 21 points. LO has already been discussed, but Farmar and Brown both played alright too. They were "defeated" by the Jazz bench on a technicality, since Paul Millsapp is technically a bench player, but if you rightfully swap Millsapp and Kyrylo Fesenko (who played 17 minutes to Millsapp's 35), the Jazz supporting players only provided 8 points on the night. One night after giving the Lakers 2nd unit heart burn, I'm not sure Ronnie Price even made it to Staples Center last night, so invisible was his presence in the game.
One other note, tonight's game was played at a much faster pace than what we've seen so far throughout the playoffs. Both teams seemed willing to push the ball up the court. Considering the Lakers high amount of turnovers, in comparison to the low number posted by Utah, the coaches might want to consider telling the Lakers to tone it down. Then again, if the bigs show up like this again, it won't matter. Game 3 isn't until Saturday, so we've got plenty of time to ruminate on this one. Enjoy.
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First Post on this site…just wanted to say that if Bynum was in any pain tonight when jumping or cutting it was incredibly brave and awesome of him to take over the boards and play so well tonight. Things like that can change public perception on him as a player.
Yeeah him toughing it out and performing like he did was BIG
He’s done it all season whenever possible and it’s good to see him finally contribute for us in the playoffs. We are a much better team with him in the lineup and it’s showing this year..
You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........
Kobe Bryant is a BEAST
Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom looked great out there!
by 15xtimeNBAchamps on May 5, 2010 12:23 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah
Definitely didn’t know he was good at basketball, lol.
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." - Jason Kidd
Basketball? I thought he was famous amish folk hero…. 
by Moradi-7 on May 5, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lmao!
dayum! he needs to replace that agent!
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
New guy here, been lurking here at SS&R for awhile just wanted to put my two cents in.
- Andrew made at least two left-handed shots, if he can consistently get that down, he’ll be that much harder to defend.
- 7 TO’s for Kobe is too much, and i dont think he needs to take 22 shots at this point in the season/career
- I know that Phil says we dont need Ron to score, but can you guys imagine how much harder we’d be to stop if he made 35%+ from 3PT range.
Overall great game, 58 rebounds is amazing, 13 blocks is thunderish(get it?), and half our points were in the paint, lovin it.
Yeah those turn overs did kill the Lakers. We would of won by 10+ if it wern’t for them.
by 15xtimeNBAchamps on May 5, 2010 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
One thing that Kobe hasnt mastered throughout his career is his TO problem. I also dont like the fact that he seems to always blame others when he turns the ball over.
Actually
he blamed himself and Pau, noting that he and Pau shouldn’t be turning over the ball that many times…
I saw a bunch of plays where Pau couldn’t get a grip on the ball, and Kobe’s turnovers, with the exception of the turnover where he got caught trying to crossover, were when he was trying to pass and the receiving player wasn’t paying attention.
Kobe: "If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail," he says, laughing. "You know what I mean? Fuck it."
Bynum's post game is really underrated
Especially when one considers that defenses have been regularly sending double and triple teams at him in the post constantly because we can’t punish them from the outside. We complain about him constantly, but what if he had a post game like Howard’s? Conversely, could you imagine Dwight Howard with Bynum’s skill set in the post? He’d put up Shaq-esque numbers.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Bynum's getting better at passing out of the post too
He made a tough cross court pass to Farmar from the right block to the left corner tonight. Farmar had to jump to catch it, but it still shows that Bynum has a ceiling that’s higher than where he’s at right now. Post passing is a lot harder than it looks. Just ask Pau and his 6 turnovers tonight.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Bosh at the game
Already posted this, but it was trivia I felt worth repeating. Who was the last non-Laker NBA player at a Laker playoff game?
Ron Artest.
Come to pappa, Chris. You’ll love our fake breasts and tacos.
Bynum has been the name most frequently mentioned
It makes sense for both parties. We get arguably a franchise player and Toronto gets the best value they could possibly get for Bosh, as well as the best fit (as versus David Lee for instance).
Granted, the sources for this are Peter Vescey and Bill Simmons, so unless either they’re far more connected than we know, it’s a line of complete bullcrap. That said, it could happen anyways and they come out looking great in any case.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Then our identity would definitely alter, i mean if people complain that Bynum doesnt play defense then they would hate the way Bosh play defense. But our offense would be near perfect.
I think Bosh's defense is underrated
And his faults are exacerbated by the fact that he’s in Toronto and part of what probably was one of the league’s all-time worst defenses this year. If you take the Olympics for instance, he was a far more active defender and was a superb pick-and-roll defender. The big thing would be that he would have to play ~10 minutes a night at center, but our offense would be so ridiculously potent with Bosh in the frontcourt, I’m not sure it matters one way or another.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
But are we comfortable with Pau playing the 5 full-time? I know he did it when we won the Championship in 09’ but can he consistently play it without injury or his playing level dropping off?
He's played the five for nearly half of the games since he's got here
Courtesy of Bynum’s injuries. I’m not overly worried about that being a problem. Also remember that the centers that would Gasol realistically would have trouble covering are limited to basically Shaq, and Bynum hasn’t been great at covering him either.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Hahaha, fair point
Pick-and-roll them to death on the other end then.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
this is dumb idea. then we're stuck with 2 pf's and no center....
and all of the teams that really worry us demand a power center.
u don’t trade bynum, unless it’s for dwight howard…and that’s not happening so there u go.
exactly my thoughts
i would rather trade pau instead of bynum, and i dont even want to get rid of pau. this laker team is set with the addition of a pg in this years draft.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
You trade Bynum, because of on thing...injuries.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
he would have to get injured fo rthe next 3 years straight before i would want to trade him.
An injured Bynum in still better than 85% of the rest of th centers in the league.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I'd trade him for Bosh.
It’d be interesting to see how he plays with Gasol, but Bynum doesn’t always play so well with Gasol either.
And with Bosh it is much more a sure thing that he will be a productive player for years to come.
I like Bynum, but I expect his injuries problems are going to get worse, not better.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
bynum will be leading this team in 4 or 5 years, for the next 10+ yers after that, IMO
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
It is good to know that they'll have someone to go head to head w/ Oden!
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Err, what teams?
Shaq will be positively ancient next year and I’m not sure why Cleveland resigns him. His productivity dropped tremendously from his short renaissance in Phoenix. Gasol has shown that he can cover Howard one-on-one, and actually generally does a better job than Bynum can. There’s really nothing past that — everyone else is either the same size, smaller, or if they are bigger, don’t have an offensive game worth mentioning to take advantage of the matchup.
Bosh is an absolute monster on the offensive end. Pair him with Gasol in a frontcourt, and I can’t imagine how any other frontcourt in the league could even begin to think about guarding them.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
What? Our tacos are fake too?!?!
LOL
I can't tell if Phil Jackson is playing 3D chess and is 10 moves ahead of us or if he's just goddamn senile...
Just as you thought the Bynum for Bosh talks were gone....Bosh appears at a Lakers game.
I defenitely agree that we would be a better team with Bosh but the height element that most teams have a hard time guarding will be gone. Most (contending) teams in the off season built their teams to match the same height. But I also think that the idea that Bosh isn’t a good defender is way off. If Bosh, like Artest, has enough talent around him offensively that he only has to focus on defense then it would become more obvious how much of a beast he really is.
For now I say forget about the Center position and concentrate on the PG and weak bench situation.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
id rather have bynum
last thing the lakers need to do is get older. And i def dont want ANY player from the raptors in a sign and trade. why mess with something that works.
For now I say forget about the Center position and concentrate on the PG and weak bench situation.
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I agree about the PG and weak bench,
but Bynum is 23 going on 57. I’d be shocked if he had a longer career than Bosh. Unless the plan is to move Bynum for a PG or multiple players, this doesn’t change their ability to upgrade the PG or bench situation.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 5, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The S&T is also another way to address that
I don’t think it would be horribly difficult to throw Vujacic’s contract in to nab Banks or Bellinelli in the progress. Or if Buss is really willing to spend (in other words, it’s highly unlikely), we can take Calderon off Toronto’s hands, as Colangelo was shopping him for practically the entire year.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Could be a multi – team trade. We don’t have to give up Bynum. I wouldn’t mind giving up Lamar, though. That dude is done. Might as well be injury prone, the number of games he shows up for….
Then who would we bench?
Gasol, Bynum, or Bosh? Unless you want Bosh at the three…
"We're going to turn this team around 360 degrees." - Jason Kidd
Yeah, the only logical choice is that you trade Bynum or Gasol
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
we need Lamar off the bench man
I will say though that Mitch needs to get another solid bench player and another PG if they don’t re-sign Fish
pretty sure we eill resign fish for the vet minimum. too much leadership.
draft a rookie pg (hopefully scheyer) and have fish teach him up.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Please not Scheyer
I don’t think he would be a huge upgrade over the current options other than being faster than Fish. Maybe this is just my anti-Duke bias talking but that school doesn’t necessarily churn out the best NBA players. There are a few but I don’t think Scheyer will make that list.
there isnt much talent at the pg postition this year besides wall.
sb nation did a mock draft (already) and had us takign scheyer with our second pick in the second round. I made a fanshot of it. That wont happen exactly as they say, but there isnt alot to choose from thsi year.
i think we coudl pick up scottie reynolds in the 3rd round. I like him a little better than scheyer. He reminds me a D Fish, except that he can finish at the rim.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Lol
i think we coudl pick up scottie reynolds in the 3rd round
Personally, I don’t like our chances of picking anybody up in the 3rd round.
LOL. wow. I guess i got used to watching the NFL draft a couple weeks ago.
Well, maybe not in the 3rd round, LMFAO. Free agent, maybe?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
i like our chances of winning a championship better than our chances
to draft somebody in the 3rd round lol. i got drafted in the 3rd round at the rec center it was horrible i was the only pick in the third round
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When I saw that Fan Shot
I cringed a little. Thankfully it is just a mock draft. I agree there won’t be many great PG options with our two second round picks. I’m hoping Mitch will work some of that magic again and find us an underappreciated diamond in the rough. He’s done it before with Ariza and Brown so one can hope.
If you can name a better choice at #58, I'm all ears
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Then Bosh won't agree to the S&T
Three parties have to be satisfied here — L.A, Toronto, and Bosh himself.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Plus Buss won't OK a deal that pays Bosh over $100 million
To play 30 minutes a game.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I think the Lakers found their next "gear" in games 5/6 of the OKC series
and they promptly put it back in the cookie jar at the start of this series.
“Do not open until NBA finals”
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I think the Lakers found their next “gear” in games 5/6 of the OKC series
Reminds of last years WCF against Denver when we found our game after Shannon posterized birdman in game 5 and The Lakers were just a different team from then on.
yeah, sort of
except in that case they rode the high for the rest of the series while this year they’ve clearly toned things down.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
or walton posterizing melo on his birthday.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
The Lakers were dominant but Kobe's turnovers are horrible
the worst part is that he blames everyone and everything but himself. There are times when the Lakers are building a lead and momentum and Kobe kills that buy turing the ball over so dam much. I like that he attacks the basket but he is getting ripped at an alarming rate.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 7:54 AM PDT reply actions
does any player have a more disgusted look painted on his face
and play with less joy than Kobe Bryant? With all due respect, which is a lot, why would anybody idolize someone who appears to be having so little fun? He’s a killa, no doubt. But the only emotion he shows on the court is disgust, and it makes him damn near impossible to like.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes...KG!
Kobe doesn’t play with less Joy. I don’t think that anyone can make that call unless they were in the locker room with him. Honestly, I can handle anyone taking shots at Kobe. it doesn’t bother me one bit. But you also have to realize that you are barking up the wrong tree. One thing is talk about his game but another is to talk about his personality when you have no idea because you don’t know him personally. Now your question about idolizing Kobe that is easy. 4! that is my answer. As in 4 rings. Thats why we idolize him. Obviously you are not a Kobe or Lakers fan so what you see as a look of disgust we see as passion. We will never agree. But you have your choice to like or dislike him. But whatever you do keep it to basketball criticism because personal attacks really are meaningless unless you know him on a personal level. btw..watching him on TV does not mean you know him on a personal level.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
almost any celtic plays with less joy than kobe.
have you seen perkins face during a game?
did you see kobe smile after his 3 pointer that spun in at the end of the game. he has fun, he is just focused on winning.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Kendrick Perkins blocked Shaq the other night and was called for a foul.
I immediately noticed blood on his lip and he ended having to get stitches to close the cut. I ran the DVR back to see how he got cut. I was shocked to discover that it happened when he briefly cracked a smile. Poor guy’s lips didn’t know what to do but bleed.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
by SoCalGal on May 5, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
+1
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
LMFAO
+2
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
LMAO!
Omg this is one of the funniest things I haver read. Big O Recd
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This was no personal attack
I gave him props and respect, etc. Please read more closely. I said that he “appears to be have so little fun.” And “the only emotion he shows on the court is disgust”. I am making no judgments about his personality. I’ve read the profiles. I know his work ethic, family values, on and on. Just observing that he sneers after every made shot, scowls after every miss, and is incredulous after he turns it over. Doesn’t look fun. Looks like a job. Good for him for being so successful. I’m just glad the people I work with aren’t like that.
And you’re right on about KG. He’s equally bad or worse.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
he is intense,
but he smiles at times during the game.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
lol...totally misunderstood on your part.
I see a very obvious pattern with your comments. It’s nothing new. Just because you say something positive that doesn’t make any negative comment after the fact ok or even more obvious it doesn’t add validity to your comment. You do that just to soften the blow.
By “personal attacks” I meant that you are making an opinion on Kobe’s personality when you have no idea whether it’s true or not. He might “seem” or “appear” a certain way to you but how can you know that for sure that he plays with less joy? You don’t know that.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
You are correct
I can not know what is in his head, and he’s probably serene and peaceful. The post I made was phrased as a question, which you answered, and I agreed with. Not sure what has irritated you.
As far as my pattern of comments goes, shall I just keep it negative, then? I mean, if it’s appropriate, I could just be a lot more confrontational and nastier, straight-up troll-style. Or I could go back and forth with you guys and allow my opinion to evolve. I could make declarations with caveats that can be reconsidered after hearing feedback from others.
Honestly, I’m pretty new to these types of communities, and have not been trained in how to behave. You let me know what is the better strategy.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I told you I'm not irritated. You haven't been here long enough to know
that I am like that. Unfortunately there is no way for me to point out that I am teasing you. I have been in enough confrontations here that I’m done with that. If I upset you I apologize.
Trust me I have been trained and I have a history of upsetting people so I know. Just do you and be yourself. As long as the moderators are cool with it I have no say in it. I was just messing with you.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Bouncy Phillips
I have been trying to figure out who your comments remind me of and I got it. I think you are very intelligent and you make good points and this is just for fun but you remind me of:
After he insults someone he follows up with, “Well, I said with all due respect”…lmao!
See what I did there?
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
SHAKE AND BAKE!
I PLAY FOR KEEPS!!!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Kobe is very aware of his turnovers
“We have to play better," Bryant said. "We have to perform better. Pau and I can’t turn the ball over as much as we did”
This team is a bunch of strippers and hackers out there
-Phil Jackson
The Jazz made the same push that saw them take a 4 point lead in Game 1, but the closest they ever got was to reduce the deficit to 6 points.
False. We got to within 4. Give us our 2 points, dammit! :)
Sadly, we just don’t have an answer for your bigs. Gasol will get whatever he wants — we just don’t have anyone who can guard him. Boozer is completely worthless to us against you guys. He gets his shot blocked frequently, and he can’t guard a guy that’s a foot taller than him. Somehow Millsap manages to score, and he’s even smaller than Booze.
That was an increible no call
when Gasol blatantly hacked Millsap across his arms right under the basket with just over a minute to play. I have noticed that Gasol gets the benefit of virtually every call. Many, many times his body collided with Jazz players while they attempted shots in the lane. Zero times was it called a foul. Several other times he was reaching over the back of rebounders while pushing them with one hand. There are always plenty of missed calls either way, but I keep noticing uncalled contact around Gasol. Is this a seaon-long pattern, as I suspect (only 2.3 fouls per game on Gasol), or is it just against the Jazz?
I’m not trying to start a war here. But, in the opinions of you thoughtful Laker faithful, does Gasol get unusually favorable treatment from officials? I admit that bias may be influencing what I see, so I am asking you. How does Gasol not get called for more fouls? Paul Millsap, on the other hand, is called for fouls more than just about anyone in the league. Funny thing is, I rarely see those. They are usually mysterious off-ball fouls for which there is no good replay. I’m not sure how he is fouling so much, whereas contact on shooters is clearly legal for Gasol.
Gasol is phenomenal. He’s smart, huge, skilled. However, he can not guard Paul Millsap at all, and vice versa. Terrible matchup for both guys.
Anyway, someone set me straight on this. Is Gasol being regularly fellated by officials, while Millsap is taking it up the ass? If so, why? If not, please explain how Gasol can legally body a shooter in the air.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Every star in the NBA gets favorable calls. Not just because I'm a Laker fan but Pau
is on that same level of elite players. Just like Millsap gets unfavorable calls so do the other Lakers not named Kobe or Gasol. It is part of the game and up for huge debate. The truth is that every fan, even Laker fans, feel that their team is getting the short end of the stick. Just look at the difference in fouls called during the Oklahoma vs Lakers series. Durant, Wade, Lebron and Kobe are the main ones who get favoritism from the refs. It’s not about Pau this is bigger than that. It’s league wide.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
There's no way to have this conversation rationally
with two people on different sides of the line. I have no idea what happens with Millsapp, and I can’t even really talk about whether Pau gets away with over the back.
What I can explain is why Pau doesn’t get called for much body contact on other player’s drives. Pau is the best player in the league at letting his height do all the defending. Whenever a player drives towards him, Pau always does the EXACT same thing. Arms straight up in the air, jumping straight up and down. If there’s contact on the drive, it is created by the offensive player. By the rulebook, this is not a foul.
Too often it’s called a foul for many players in the NBA, and I will agree that Pau gets the non-call more than most. But, it is due to the fact that he does the same thing every single time. It can be frustrating because, if the offensive player isn’t playing for the contact, he can usually go right around Pau, as Pau rarely tries to get a block unless the offensive player literally just tries to shoot through his hands. I don’t know if that makes it fair, or if that is a star call, but the officials know, from mounds and mounds of evidence and consistent proof, that if there’s contact with Pau and another player in the air, Pau was not the initiator.
Thanks for clarifying
I don’t get to watch many Lakers games. You clearly do. Thanks for the insight.
I’m iffy on this though: “Arms straight up in the air, jumping straight up and down. If there’s contact on the drive, it is created by the offensive player. By the rulebook, this is not a foul.”
My understanding: If an offensive player is in the air with possession, he must be given room to land. If you bite on a pump fake, jump straight in the air with arms up, and then collide with the offensive player, that is a foul, even though the offensive player creates the contact. It doesn’t always matter who creates the contact. The person in possession of the ball is not allowed to be bumped in the air.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
"he must be given room to land"
unless, of course, defender is in position to take a charge.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
As I said below, this is basically the same thing as taking a charge
except its a no call instead of an offensive foul
I can't quote the rulebook, so I can't be 100% sure
but my response would be that just because the refs don’t call it that way all the time, doesn’t mean it’s not the rule. The offensive player in the air must be given room to land, but not if the defender is already in that room when the offensive player takes off. If the offensive player jumps into the defender’s space, the defender has the right to be there, as long as he is not reaching (arms straight up) or moving laterally (jumping straight up). The problem is that determining whether these things are happening is quite difficult in real time, and it’s similar to the difficulty of calling a charge/block.
A goodly portion of all the decisions refs make are based on assumptions. This is a big part of what’s wrong with the officiating in general, but good answers are in short supply because basketball is simply too fast for the refs to see everything in real time.
Pertaining to your specific example, I’d say 7 times out of 10, when a defender bites on a pump fake, they don’t jump straight up and down, and even less of the time do they jump with their arms straight up and down. If they do jump straight up and down, and the foul is called on them, it’s a bad call, not a disproof the rule. However, as I mentioned, most of the time, the defender doesn’t go straight up and down, and that is why the offensive player often gets the benefit of the doubt in a close decision.
Good points, Mr. Clark
I can’t quote the rulebook either. And, dude, you’re full of information. Are you a teacher or an engineer?
It’s certainly possible that Pau just plays smarter than most. He’s a really frustrating opponent.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Of this we can be sure
It’s certainly possible that Pau just plays smarter than most.
Pau is hands down one of the smartest players in the NBA.
and handsome!
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
lol!
man, I’m a Laker fan through and through, but I can’t help but laugh at your post. It’s okay for to call him a Llama though. ;-)
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For what it's worth
from the rulebook at nba.com
“A player is never permitted to move into the path of an opponent after the opponent has jumped into the air.”
and
“A defensive player must allow an alighted player the distance to land and then stop or change direction when the offensive player is outside the lower defensive box. "
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice try
but those both came from the sections on blocks and charges, which involve the defender remaining grounded. There isn’t anything which either confirms or denies what I said about the rules, but this is the closest I could find.
“If a defender is able to establish a legal position in the straight line path of the dribbler, the dribbler must avoid contact by changing direction or ending his dribble. "
It doesn’t apply directly any more than your citation does, and I couldn’t find anything that did at first glance. You’ll just have to trust me on this one.
Yeah, I can't find a directly relevant statement in the rules
Wasn’t trying to challenge your explanation, but just wanted share would I could find in the rules. Functionally, it doesn’t matter. They weren’t called fouls, and that call was consistent throughout the game. It was however, drastically inconsistent from what I observed in the Denver series. It makes it so that I don’t know what’s a foul anymore, and have to go back to the most basic questions about what a defender is allowed to. Thanks for discussing with me.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess part of the confusion
is whether “in the air” constitutes “a legal position.”
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
and the first quote
came from the “Guarding an Opponent” section under “Contact Situations.”
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
only one problem C.A.
Pau doesn’t jump. he gets on his tippy toes
This team is a bunch of strippers and hackers out there
-Phil Jackson
I dont participate in the game threads, but i read them when i get to work the next day.
And im glad you guys noticed two very important thingsin the game thread that i also noticed wathcing the game at home:
the rack behing phil and the rack behind ak47.
ha ha ha ha.
Very good cameramen last night. They had to be men!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
OMG!
I got so many txts about both of them. Crazy!
is it a surprise that the camera took so many shots of those areas. Sex sells!
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
thats the most camera shots i have seen of phil during a game in a long time.
they kept showing colonel sanders for some reason…….. wonder what that reason was?
im still waiting for one of our photoshop experts to post the pictures, lol.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
lol...dang I know. Sounds like a job for Shaqfor3
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
daaaayum!
yeah. I caught that too— heh heh
" Get out of my way Saturn! "
by Captain $hugg on May 5, 2010 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm back!!!!!!
The blogger formely known as Grice is back!!!!!
by rickfox on May 5, 2010 9:18 AM PDT reply actions
glen rice is gone!
wtf?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I had a dream; rick fox told me the Lakers would win. I'm very protective of dreams and signs.
Glad to be back, I was on vacation in Ireland. I was burnt out from work and stress. Glen Rice Jr. needs to be payed attention, glad i’m back, I missed hanging out with everyone, I keep you in mind especially P&G for life.
by rickfox on May 5, 2010 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
correction: formerly?
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
correction FAIL
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
awesome! Welcome back!
what happened man? where you been? I been keeping an eye on Glenn Rice’s son just cause of you.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 5, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
who the fuck are you?
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
This game made me feel better about the Lakers hopes of repeating than any other.
The Jazz shot well and the Lakers had way too many turnovers, but the Lakers handled them. They did this with an efficient offense, rebounding, and interior D. This is a recipe for championships. It also helps that Kobe is getting more efficient on O.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
Both teams player hard, my man.
Lol!!!!!! never gets old.
by rickfox on May 5, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions
correction: played.
Let me say I hate the Celtics with every bone in my body. Rasheed Wallace is definitely a match-up problem for J.J. Hickson.
I know it’s our blog, i’m not trying to deviate. Justy saying Charles Barkley is wrong again!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by rickfox on May 5, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
correction: just
damn, I can’t spell right today. Lol.
by rickfox on May 5, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
How can you say the game was never in doubt
I’m flabbergasted by the responses on this site calling these games a foregone conclusion. I understand the confidence and agree that it’s not entirely misplaced. But this isn’t confidence, it’s contempt. Regardless of your fan leanings or beliefs, a 4 point game with 6 minutes left in the NBA (not to mention the 4 point deficit in game 1) is a completely open, decidedly not under control game. It’s just arrogant, homerism, contemptful, foolish to suggest otherwise. There’s a key difference between saying the Lakers will likely pull it off in their trademark way and saying the Lakers have the game under control.
That is why we hate you so passionately. You already have the entire playoff run under control. It may not be us, but if you advance to face Phoenix, you’re still going to consider that you have that 7 game series under control, it might just be a little longer in your brains than this one. Someone needs to demonstrate that what you think you have under control is very much the illusion of control. Confidence is the mindset of a championship team. These Lakers don’t have confidence, they have a belief they’ll win based on the perceived difference between their own talent and that of their foe. So they are deriving confidence from without, not within.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
please do.
Only had one sentence typed anyway
This team is a bunch of strippers and hackers out there
-Phil Jackson
Where do I even start? I guess with the beginning ...
How many times do you have to see a pattern before you are willing to acknowledge it? I don’t even know how many straight times, Utah has failed to win at Staples. Many of those games played out exactly the way last night’s game did. The Lakers have repeatedly shown an ability to pull away from the Jazz in the 4th quarter. It happened in Game 1, and it happened in Game 2. It happened in a major way during the regular season.
I get what you are saying and why you’re upset. It’s not fun to be a fan in a situation bereft of hope, but our talking about how last night’s game was never in doubt is neither confidence nor contempt. It’s analysis. Analysis based on the fact that Utah could not prevent the Lakers from scoring at all. Please refer to discussion of the ridiculously efficient lines posted by Laker bigs.
I certainly didn’t think Game 1 was never in doubt. Game 1 was very much in doubt, and the Lakers were lucky that the well of Kobe didn’t run dry in that game. If anybody did, I’ll agree with your deeming them a homer, and all the other terms you used. But last night? C’mon. Whenever they chose to, the Lakers basically got whatever shot they wanted.
Is it arrogant, homerist, and contemptful for us to be supremely confident in the Lakers ability to pull out that victory? Perhaps. But foolish? Well, I got the last 10 or so meetings in Staples to back my opinion up.
There’s a key difference between saying the Lakers will likely pull it off in their trademark way and saying the Lakers have the game under control.
There is a key difference, but most of the difference is in your easily offended sensibilities. If we’re interested in being absolutely correct, definitive statements should never, ever be used. Oh sorry, I mean that definitive statements should hardly ever be used. There is no such thing as a 100% guarantee on anything. And I’m sure you refrain from ever making definitive statements in favor of your own team, and chide those who do, right?
That is why we hate you so passionately.
Duly noted. Don’t know exactly what you hoped to accomplish with that though. I have a feeling that if we had such arrogant confidence without the results to back it up, you wouldn’t hate us so much, so take that for what it’s worth.
You already have the entire playoff run under control. It may not be us, but if you advance to face Phoenix, you’re still going to consider that you have that 7 game series under control, it might just be a little longer in your brains than this one.
Sorry, try again. There were a fair number of people who thought we wouldn’t make it out of OKC. In a series against Phoenix, I’m not nearly as confident the Lakers will win as I am of victory against the Jazz. And there are plenty of people around here who can understand that the Lakers might have their asses handed to them in the Finals if we make it that far. Yes, there are others who blindly think the Lakers will win the next 5 championships in sweeps, and if you are going after them, have at it.
Someone needs to demonstrate that what you think you have under control is very much the illusion of control.
As soon as it happens, perhaps we’ll stop. Until it does, control and the illusion of control are the same thing.
I feel like I'm part of the crowd on Dave Chapelle's And-1 Bowling sketch
OOOoooooooohhhhhhhhh
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I do have to say one thing to the hater above (not a misuse of the term here).
You came to OUR BLOG and said how much you hate us because we are supremely over-confident. We did not go to YOUR BLOG and post anything about how we’re wiping the floor with your team. You can’t have expected anyone to agree with you ON OUR BLOG. If you do hate us so much, it would be best for you to post on YOUR OWN BLOG and stay away from us. We might contaminate you with our disdain.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
nice sig!
And so true.
And a corollary: “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
Definitely a hating foul on Dyl.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
i disagree completely
I intend to come to your blog to discuss this in a way that you won’t agree with. I don’t agree for anyone here to agree with me on most things. But there is room for discussion. We have something to talk about. and I want you to come to SLC Dunk next time you can rightly call bull on something we said. it happens more often than you’d think. :)
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Err...I mean
I intend to come to your blog to discuss this with a subjective argument.
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Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Discussion is most welcome on SS&R, but this...
That is why we hate you so passionately.
…was not discussion. This was pure venom, and it came out of nowhere. I disagree that we show contempt for your team. I happen to like Jerry Sloan and several Jazz players as people, and I know some of my fellow commenters feel the same. But you have to admit that a coach who says his team doesn’t stand a chance in a series, as Sloan did after game 1 of last year’s series, doesn’t help matters. Confidence is different from contempt. We reserve contempt for the Celtics and Cavaliers.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Yeah that was pretty venomous, huh. Sorry that I let it contaminate what I was trying to say.
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Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
My impression and experience is that yo guys do show that contempt.
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Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
there are a few that happen to have strong a strong aversion to the Jazz
but I remember it’s mostly because they found the fans (at the stadium) annoying.
Yep count me as one of them
I’m pretty much indifferent to the Jazz players and coaching staff. But the way their fans talk about us, our city, and our players, they are some of the lowest forms of douchebaggery I’ve ever seen. They are still whining about Derek Fisher to tis very day. Jeez Utah fans, cry me a river, build a bridge, and get the fuck over it.
I just have so say.......
CA must have a masters in english/writing skills.
The man surely does know how to put his exact thoughts into writing. I on the other hand, struggle very much with it. I guess its just the engineering side of me. I was always good at math, but failed almost every english class.
Very well put CA.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
It was a very well written reply.
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Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Alright, that seemed to be a lot more sensible than I was expecting. Kudos.
If you guys really do see that type of difference between Game 1 and Game 2, then I have been wrong about deep the contempt runs.
I want to make something clear. I don’t care so much about the factual consistencies of what you say as much as I saw disrespect oozing out of that particular choice of words. I think that claiming to have a game “under control” before you’ve actually got it under control is not only incorrect — it’s a prime example of the contempt that I was describing. And I want to talk about that, on your site, since I can’t tell you across my living room. I’m not going to talk about it on SLC Dunk, because the issue’s not there.
I absolutely hate the Lakers. I do it from the subjective Utah point of view, but I also do it reasonably. I am the type of fan who will say “Come on guys, quit the bull, that really was a foul on Boozer, as much as I wish it wasn’t” or at least “Ehhh, it might have been on us”. You can expect me to want to beat your team, not to be a fan of your team, not to root for your team, and not wish your team many wins. I am not going to be the Jazz fan that comes to your site to talk and get positive reviews, or goes out of my way to sugarcoat my hate or highlight things on which I agree with you (ahem). I intend to earn respect from you enemy posters in a different way. I’m truthful, but I’m a Laker hater, you’re Jazz haters, let’s not wear it like a badge of shame unless we have a reputation of getting out of hand.
If we were in the same room, will I still enjoy a beer with you while we’re arguing about this, watching the game together? Absolutely, and when you say something like “we have this game under control” in that situation I’m going to laugh and call bull, even if you do go on to win comfortably. If you really think you had those games under control, I dispute that, because you didn’t. I don’t intend to get nasty about it. And I don’t intend to pack up and never post here again (though I don’t usually make it a habit of coming around). I think highly enough of the site to come banter a little bit when there’s something to be talked about.
I want to discuss your team’s battle with my team. And we can’t do it from afar in our ivory towers. Neither one of us is going to make all objective arguments just because we’re on the other’s site, but so what. You should embrace that kind of traffic. That’s what rivalry is all about. Sports needs hate a lot more than it needs disrespect. Hate is often a response to disrespect, and hate makes a lot more sense than it does, eh?
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Thoughtful.
And respectable. Until the last two sentences.
You’re fine with me, Dyl, but the world has already met its hatred quota. So I disagree with your encouragement of hate. You speak fondly of respect. Yet, your coming here and saying that you hate this community is itself an act of disrespect. Find a more respectful way to demonstrate your hatred.
Also regarding respect: What reason do the Lakers have to respect the Jazz? I don’t mean as people or peers, but as a basketball team. The Jazz must earn their respect by beating them.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I fudged this a little. I had a point, which I think is very valid, but then I crapped the bed in the next paragraph.
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by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m talking about in the original post, “that is why we hate you so passionately” meant to pertain to the team and the attitude that seems to have carried over to the fans..not the fans themselves
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Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
One Jazz fan to another
You probably should’ve stopped after the 1st paragraph.
“That is why we hate you so passionately. " Put yourself on the receiving end of that statement, say from a Laker fan. It seems personal and bitter instead of simply demonstrating that you hate losing, especially to the Lakers, who have so much advantage and entitlement. The Lakers are kryptonite to the Jazz. We all know it, and we can be forgiven for despising that franchise for attending to our demise so thoroughly. However, this blog is not the Lakers franchise, but a community of people, like you, that love basketball. You don’t really hate these folks, right? You committed a foul. Now, take a minute to go for a jog and get back in the game, man.
And, Laker fans, please don’t devour Dyl. He is damaged right now, and needs therapy, as do most longtime Jazz fans at this point. Besides, you didn’t really expect to stomp on the carcass of the Jazz without a few bad sounds and smells coming out.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Please don't put words in my mouth
I can speak for myself well and am in the process of doing it. I stand by my post and am in the process of responding.
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Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
Pardon me.
Didn’t mean to put words in your mouth. As per your request, I retract my defense of you.
Have at him, SS&R.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Arrogant, homerism, contemptful, foolish?
Yet the TNT guys – namely Barkley and Kenny Smith before yesterday’s game and at halftime both stated similar opinions about the situation being under control – I think they would be considered fairly impartial. And…the Jazz had lost, I believe, 14 straight in Staples before the series started (now 16) – not mention these two games have unfolded almost exactly as previous playoff matchups with the Jazz, so there is some history to rely on.
This is isn’t some blind attempt to make ourselves feel better.
What the hell are the Lakers and their fans supposed to feel if the they believe that they will win because the have more talent than the Jazz? – which almost anyone will say is the reality.
NA R.I.P.
God, I'm an idiot
Should’ve read C.A. Clark’s responses and saved some typing – great job responding.
NA R.I.P.
Perception is reality!
control and the illusion of control are the same thing.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
by SoCalGal on May 5, 2010 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah, it is currently
that’s why you must go down to defeat. :)
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
its official
we are 1-0 with my new icon
you can all thank me later when we win the title…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Can you match Dex's winning streak with the purple and gold icon?
That is the new standard.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Follow one of our game threads and you'll see that we do the exact same thing. Lakers sure as hell don't get a free ride from us.
I am the type of fan who will say "Come on guys, quit the bull, that really was a foul on Boozer, as much as I wish it wasn’t" or at least "Ehhh, it might have been on us".
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
I have and I actually can say i've seen that
I’ve seen what you’re saying happen. True that.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I am not going to be the Jazz fan that comes to your site to … highlight things on which I agree with you (ahem).
Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure
it’s because that is true. I just feel like you’ve been a little more accomadating than is deserved.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Dyl
extended flame wars full of absurd hate-speech just doesn’t feel that productive to me. In my experience, in order to have a discussion here, you need to not have everyone think you are a raging asshole. Because that tends to steer the thread off-topic. I’ve spent plenty of energy defending myself against accusations of trolling, and it’s a waste of time. And when you make inflammatory remarks, you don’t get to discuss your point, because you will be too busy fighting off the piranhas. So it’s simply counterproductive.
I have no problem with you personally. But to be clear: You are calling me out for being too accommodating? I’m not a lol person, so I will spell it out. That makes me laugh out loud.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Well obviously I agree regarding flaming. I think there is a third way to act, a way to be respectful while maintaining your kindled fandom regarding the rivalry. And I don’t really care how you post. I was making an observation contrasting two things. This can get defensive quickly, so in good faith let’s just nip it in the bud. I prefer commenting in a different way than you do, and that is all it is. Preference.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Fine, we're good
You shoudn’t have called me out though. I was defending you. I was accommodating you. I have made no effort to hide my allegiance. So, I think that third way IS the way I post. I’m not the one spewing hate-speech.
Honestly, I’m completely fed up with the hating. Now you’ve just come dangerously close to making another enemy out of a fellow fan.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey guys, get a room!
KIDDING!!!
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Two Jazz fans arguing at SS&R
You should be paying us for such amusement.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a little embarrassing.
How bout this. Go Jazz!! Beat LA! Whoooo!
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, I got some dollar bills here...
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
We’re saying the same thing. I stopped you because it felt condescending, like it you were coddling me while misrepresenting a little of what i was saying. Just a second though. It’s not important. We’re saying the same thing, I know it pissed you off and I’m sorry. I take responsibility for that.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
See?
When you go around pissing people off, you don’t get to discuss your original point, whatever that was. Cheers, Dyl, no worries. I had to learn the hard way. See u around SLCDunk. Hope everyone had fun! I’m gonna go shoot 100 free throws, as usual.
Good day.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think there's any doubt that I didn't come here to do that
and nice dotdotdot. You left out the important part.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
Go Jazz! Go Hogs! GO BILLS!
by Dyl on May 5, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
This is in the past now.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
SLC Dunk is taking over SS&R.
Hurry up and fill this post with Laker Love.
BYNUM SMASH ON JAZZ!!!
j/k
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
kobe woulda had a double double
if Ron Artest could make some layups
Kobe: "I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."
agree
if I were the asst coach on offense, i’d make him do drills, lay-ups and beyond the arc. On the other hand, his D is topnotch, so.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
close game? really?
i just can’t believe some people would not see this game as a blowout. the final score didn’t really matter. the lakers manhandled the jazz whenever they wanted to. like big guys taking candy from a baby.
sure they would make some of spirited run, but at those times, the lakers were being a bit tentative and passive. the jazz were just…powerless. and to think that their play was hardly indicative of their true potential? now that’s scary. really really scary.
this coming from a celtics fan who never really liked the lakers. got to give credit where credit is due. i personally think this lakers team will be in the finals.
It was a blowout
until it wasn’t anymore.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 5, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only Laker fan...
…who also likes the Jazz?
I started to dig em back when they looked like the real threat to LA. I was kind of scared of them but also kind of dug them. They seemed to lose a step and then this year I happened to catch the game Sundiata had the game winner and rooted for them against Cleveland.
They went on a tear for the last part of the season and I was watching games again.
As an observer they can be really frustrating at times— sometimes the lane parts like the red sea allowing opponents to drive at will— but then they have this marvelous toughness and inside passing that is really fun to watch and generally more than makes up for the aforementioned occasional wide open lane.
Deron is flat out incredible and I’ve seen Boozer have these monster games with an incredibly effective jumper. the other guys Miles, Millsap, etc. are kind of these hard working X-factors that could go off at any moment.
Anyhow, The Jazz just don’t match up well against the Lakers ,and for that I’m glad. but I absolutely LOVE the fact they dismantled Denver. thanks guys. Your still my second favorite team.
" Get out of my way Saturn! "
Your not the only one.
I was born & raised in Southern Cali, but moved to Utah for college. Ive been in Salt Lake City for 8 years now. Not having a choice in what NBA games I can watch (until now, because of the live streaming………) I watched alot of Jazz games. I actually consider myself a Jazz fan, as long as they arent playing the Lakers. Jazz fans here, dont unserstand how this is possible as they hate the Lakers cuz what we have done to them in the playoffs the last dew years. I get alot of crap for it.
The Lakers will always be my #1. But I know consider myself a fan of the Jazz………………………. As long as they are nowhere near the Lakers.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
One of the very few teams that I truly hate the fans...
I like the team and the intensity they play with and I really liked malone and stockton but I don’t like the coach.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 6, 2010 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
You "truly hate" Jazz fans?
Geeeeeeeeez…. What a waste of your energy. I’m gonna assume that you’re exaggerating.
Fair enough, but I love you, PGL.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" -Samuel Johnson
by Bouncy Phillips on May 6, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
lol..great sense of humor. Not exagerating though. I am such a competitive person
that when it comes to sports I use any method to get me going. Call me crazy. for the same reasons that Laker fans are stereotyped and labeled as being aloof or whatever word that we are all described as I feel the same about Jazz and Nuggets fans. From the chanting of “rape”, “cancer” and signs of “no room service” I have chosen to pile up all of Jazz fans in the same category. Or even worse, a jazz fan covering his eye while Fisher was a Laker shooting a free throw. There is a difference between being a fan and being a jerk and utah jazz fans have crossed it. But you are ok..so that excludes you. : )
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 6, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
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