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Lakers 109, Suns 118: What Is This "De-Fense" You Speak Of?

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For one night at least, Amare Stoudemire has his revenge. Justly disparaged over the past week for his dumbfoundingly bad defense and impolitic comments about Lamar Odom, the Phoenix power forward came correct tonight, scoring 42 points to spearhead a 118 to 109 Suns victory in Game Three of the Western Conference Finals. The loss severs the Lakers' eight-game winning streak and chops their series lead to one game. Game Four is on Tuesday night in Phoenix.

In building a two-oh series lead in Los Angeles, the Lakers used a volcanic offense to hide some wanky D. They'd never really stopped the Suns' attack for more than brief stretches at a time, but the volume of their own points production made that failing irrelevant. Not tonight. After the Lakers ripped them apart for 32 seemingly routine points in the first quarter, the Suns played zone almost exclusively the rest of the way. The result wasn't a total lockdown, but it didn't need to be. Helped by a sizeable gap in free-throw attempts, the Phoenix offense did its usual thing, tallying 1.23 points per possession. With that sort of output, they just needed the zone to stall the Laker attack here and there. Play a wee bit of defense at times, and you're likely to win a game in this series. Tonight was the Suns' turn.

Star-divide

We Laker fans can take solace from one thing: Phoenix still has no idea how to stop, or even irritate, Kobe Bryant. He blew up yet again this evening, this time logging 36 points on 28 shots (using the term shots to include free-throw possessions). In just the first quarter he scored 15 on 7-of-9 shooting. Between Kobe's hot hand and teamwide success on the offensive glass, the Lake Show appeared to be chugging along, untroubled by life away from Staples, except... well, except for one small thing.

The whistles. Dude, the whistles. The Suns attempted 11 FTAs in the first period to the Lakers' zero. Amare alone was awarded seven freebies in the first period. Most of them seemed fairly earned, as he attacked Pau Gasol on the dribble and got to the rim repeatedly. The Lakers, however, weren't getting the same calls on the other end.

At the beginning of the second quarter, Alvin Gentry dialed up the zone, and the Laker offense fell to pieces. The passes got sloppy, to the tune of six turnovers in the period. Unable to get the ball inside, or unwilling to exercise the requisite patience and discipline, the outside shots started going up, and all those looks that went down at Staples didn't enjoy the same friendly bounce. Lamar had an especially gruesome quarter: 0 for 5 from the field, 0 for 2 from the line, two fouls, and two turnovers. Beautiful. As team the Lakers could still barely get to the stripe: only three FTAs to the Suns' nine, leading to an unthinkable halftime free-throw margin of 20 to 3 in Phoenix's favor. The offensive glass is what kept the Lakers in the game. In the first half, they rebounded 29% of their misses, leading to 13 second-chance points. They nonetheless trailed by seven at the break.

The Lakers finally solved the Phoenix zone in the third. The ball movement perked up, turnovers fell, and shots started going down. In 23 third-quarter possessions the Lakers scored on 16 of them. It helped that a few calls started going their way. They couldn't make a real run, though, because they couldn't come up with nearly enough stops. Amare took advantage of some epically awful Gasol defense to score 16 points in the period. Pau was a step slow all night long and never made the adjustments necessary to force Amare to use his left hand. After a brilliant postseason run so far, I suppose Pau was due for an off-night, but he has to get his focus back for Game Four.

In the fourth, Phoenix slowly but inexorably pulled away. The Lakers coughed the rock up on six of their first nine trips, sabotaging their own comeback attempt. Meanwhile, Amare continued to work, Robin Lopez recaptured some of his Game One magic, and Jason Richardson nailed a couple timely bombs to put the game out of reach. Despite converting two-point looks at a punishing rate and getting Phoenix past the foul limit early in the period, the Lakers ran an impatient attack that was way too dependent on three-point attempts. They fired up an insane 11 threes in the final period, making only two of them. That's not gonna get it done, hombres.

Andrew Bynum took a step back tonight. He played only eight minutes, scored only two and was in foul trouble from the beginning. His absence made it easier for Amare to dive toward the basket over and over. Unfortunately, it's not clear what, if anything, he'll be able to give L.A. in Game Four. Phil Jackson said after tonight's game that Drew might not play on Tuesday.

The other big source of FAIL was the Laker bench. So good in Games One and Two, they reverted to their previously shaky form, as Lamar, Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar provided only 18 points on 26 shots. Just an awful waste of possessions that the Lakers couldn't afford, given how they took the night off from playing any defense. Let's do give a tip of the cap to Derek Fisher, who intangible'd his way to 18 points in the losing effort.

So there won't be any sweepage of this series. Alas. The Lakers do still occupy the high ground. They will, however, need play a bit harder and smarter if they want to maintain it.

 

Poss.

TO%

FTA/
FGA

FT%

3FGA/FGA

2PT%

3PT%

EFG

TS%

OReb Rate

DReb Rate

PPP

LA

97

17

0.23

80

0.37

60

28

53

57

32

76

1.12

PHX

96

7

0.51

88

0.24

53

25

49

59

24

68

1.23

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Control the pace, Dex!

They needed to control the pace!

Oh and get some shooters who can take and make jumpers to break a zone.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on May 23, 2010 10:41 PM PDT reply actions  

FTA/FGA .51? To .23? lol

What a joke. Sure we played sloppily, so be it. Still, that’s a horrible disparity.

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on May 23, 2010 10:50 PM PDT reply actions  

Phoenix was much more aggressive attacking the rim, esp Amare

And the zone puts their defenders in good defensive position if the offense tries to penetrate. You need to shoot over a zone, because you’re going to get a lot of open looks. If you can’t shoot, the zone is the defense to play against you (the Lakers tonight).

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on May 23, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

All true

but not even close to a reasonable explanation for 42:20 FT’s. Sorry.

by rshinsec on May 24, 2010 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well... not really.

LA had 27 shots in the paint to Phoenix’s 23 (or thereabouts).
Definitely a bit unbalanced.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 24, 2010 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

my one comfort

Phoenix managed to win tonight by playing a gimmicky defense and with the help of some VERY friendly refs. Professional teams don’t win 7 game series by depending on gimmicks. Not in the NBA or any other sport. I’m honestly not all that concerned based on what I saw tonight.

by MWbruin on May 23, 2010 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Give Phoenix some credit

They scored a ton on the Laker’s defense, it wasn’t just the zone that did the Lakers in. And while it was gimmicky, it worked – because the Lakers couldn’t shoot open jumpers and made some pretty terrible decisions against it.

Lopez was a big big part of that win, too, giving the Suns an interior presence both on offense and defense that the Lakers had not seen before, especially with the Lakers bigs in foul trouble.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on May 23, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, definitely

I do respect their offensive ability, but I’ve never thought any different. I’m merely saying that this “defense” won’t last and they’ve shown in this series that our offense most often trumps theirs.

But yes, they can play very solid transition offense. And I was impressed with Lopez. I watched him and his brother in college, and what the announcers said was absolutely correct. Robin was never known for any offensive prowess. But I applaud him for tonight. He did well for them.

by MWbruin on May 23, 2010 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jackson will solve it in the next 48 hours

At this stage the name of the game is adjustments. Phil will figure what to do with the zone and the Lakers will have a different posture in game four.

The main thing is the whistles.

If we get a fair shake and the free throws are even, we win today.

If they are in game four, we win that one.

The refs called it straight in L.A. We got shafted tonight.

The way the Lakers game is constructed, NOBODY should ever shoot more FT than we do.

by LakersForDeuce on May 24, 2010 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude had a career night.

Throwing up spinning off balance hook shots. If anyone deserved Amare’e lucky comment, it was him. :o

by rshinsec on May 24, 2010 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sometime Phil postgame cracks me up
Q. Talk about the havoc Amar’e caused on his drives, his game tonight and how it affected the bigs on your side.

COACH JACKSON: Start that again.

Q. Talk about the havoc Amar’e caused on the basket, not only his drives but getting you guys in foul trouble?

COACH JACKSON: Yeah, he did.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on May 23, 2010 11:12 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

LMFWAO Gil that shit is toooooo funny!!!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 24, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rec that shit!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 24, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Lakers fell in love with the three ball in the 4th when they got behind, and that pretty much cost them the comeback attempt. They were putting 4 guys outside the arc, and winging it around hoping someone was open enough to hock up a shot. Now exactly creative or inspired offense. Feed Pau some more, and maybe they keep it close enough to win at the end with some missed FTs.

In either case, I figured the Suns might steal one at home. The Lakers come back out and win game 4, this series is over in 5. Tighten up the D a bit, and don’t fall in love with the 3…

This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they die! Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time.

by ZeroIndulgence on May 23, 2010 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

suns missed a ton of threes

that’s not the norm for them, we’re fortunate bynum is hurt

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger....or makes you a Suns fan

by jasonsuns1 on May 23, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Low percentage fouls by Drew and Lamar

As they say, a playoff series hasn’t started until a team loses at home. The Lakers need to beat the zone, avoid foul trouble, and win game 4 to get the ball rolling. Right away tonite, when Amare was clearly being aggressive, the Lakers were fouling him to prevent layups. Unless they can deny him the ball this is a losing strategy, as he is an 80% free throw shooter. So between the few missed points and the couple of three-point plays, they had little to show for these fouls but foul trouble. They need to save the fouls for the ones that come up in the course of playing tight defense. When the guy beats you, the Matador defense may be the best thing to do, rather than a foul that will ultimately cost more than it helps.

by celticandlakerfanreally on May 23, 2010 11:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Really? Both?

Just kidding.

Amare is actually shooting 75% in the playoffs on FT (close to his career average). Still your point stands that fouling him is not a good idea.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on May 23, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have to congratulate you

Heading into the playoffs, I never thought your Celtics could beat my Cavs. You guys are more devastating a playoff team than I ever imagined.

I’m glad you guys are completely destroying Orlando, so that their fans have to go through what I went through the past two years. It feels better knowing we got our asses handed to us by a proven champion and title contender.

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on May 23, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if this belongs in the LeBron thread

But I have to get this off my chest:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5213917
We have fired Mike Brown.
And I’m…kind of sad, actually. Don’t get me wrong, I think we can get better with a different coach, but still…I’m going to miss him nonetheless. As dumb as he is, it feels hard to let go of him…as though he’s family. It’s bittersweet, like this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuMtH8fw4d4

Saying "Hello With Malice" seven times will wake the dead.

by WaveOcean on May 23, 2010 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Seems kinda harsh...

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on May 23, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

not surprised

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 23, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

scapegoat

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on May 24, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

he got enough chances

as fans we have no clue sometimes about the coaching abilities of a coach. but this was very obvious. Especially during any interview that involved questions about strategy he made me ask … wtf did he just say?

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Terrible coach

get someone to install an actual offense and you guys will be better off even if you didn’t have Lebron. Although, I would’ve loved to see him coach without Lebron for once. That would’ve been priceless. I still think he’s being scapegoated for the team’s effort and inability to deliver on the promise they and Lebron made

by Marty Mart on May 24, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

On a side note: LOST... wtf just happened?

heh…

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on May 23, 2010 11:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Wouldn't have been a bad idea to see some Luke Walton against the zone

He should be prepared to get some minutes next game.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on May 23, 2010 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

i think this is interesting

http://www.celticsblog.com/2010/5/23/1484240/can-boston-beat-la

Kobe: "I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."

by hrghori on May 23, 2010 11:33 PM PDT reply actions  

some doc funk



"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 23, 2010 11:38 PM PDT reply actions  

phil is thinking of resting him and using Odom as a starter

he really does not look good out there imo so this is not a bad idea. Maybe he can take a game off and give Odom a chance to get into more of a groove early on in game 4. Its either that or bring Bynum off the bench and use him sparingly like today.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 23, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

They should have left him in LA then

Mbenga can come in, at least he’s always active, if spazzy.

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore

by 99bc99 on May 23, 2010 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you play him?

He was in the way! He couldn’t guard the water bottles!

Happy Days are here again! Wildcat's have #1 recruiting class again!

by oldcat73 on May 24, 2010 12:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even so...

With their team playing at a very high level, and with LA faltering… and an inexplicable FT discrepancy (42-20) despite having a relatively even time of shots-in-the-paint (LA took 27, PHX 23 – or thereabouts)… PHX won by 9 points.

I am relatively certain that LA will adjust to the zone, and play better. I am also hopeful that the FT issue will become a little more balanced. And fairly confident that PHX won’t continue to play that well.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 24, 2010 12:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Lakers get shafted on FTs more than any other team

Boston nearly beheads opposing players and you never see a FT disparity like the Lakers get handed.

If you recall the OKC series, in games 3-4 the Thunder shot 80+ FT vs. the Lakers 40.

The first two games of this series were called evenly. This one was gift wrapped for the Suns.

If the FT are even we win it, even as bad as we played.

I agree that Phil will adjust to the zone and once again establish the paint. If the whistles aren’t out of whack again, we go back to Staples for a closeout game.

by LakersForDeuce on May 24, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

We need to stop blaming the refs for FT's.....

This game was ours to lose. I can’t stand when fans use the refs as a scapegoat when their team plays poorly…WE lost this game, not the refs. We didnt shoot nearly as many free throws due to NOT GOING TO THE BASKET. We settled for hocking up 177 three point attempts instead of attacking the zone. It’s one thing to penetrate and kick out the ball for an open, uncontested 3 point attempt, however, we just passed the ball around the perimeter like we were in junior high practicing a shell drill. Live by the 3, die by it also.

17 turnovers compared to Phoenix’s 7 doesnt help matters either. We played extremely sub-par and they have Amare tie a career playoff high in points and Lopez have a career game and we only lose by 9…I, not any other Lakers’ fan should be worried. You win some, you lose some. Phil Jackson will have his team ready for game 4. This series will be over in 5 games.

You know why? Cuz SYMUN_SEZ! ;o)

by SYMUN_SEZ on May 24, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

hope you're right

Lakers will go to the rim in game 4. If the refs make the calls, I’m good.

by LakersForDeuce on May 24, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

X-ACT-LEE

Great post
+1 and rec’d

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 24, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

177? really? lol

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 24, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

ehh...

Okay, maybe it was more like 32 or so! :o)

by SYMUN_SEZ on May 25, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 25, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Amen. Instead of us worrying about reacting to gimicky Gentry schemes...

the Lakers need to get back to the paint efficiency and pace themselves. I’m not conspiracy theorist, but the a little whistle consistency would be nice too.

by Joshua S on May 24, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, WE didn't lose this game at all...

…the Lakers did.

Just sayin’…

"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson

by SoCalGal on May 25, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid we might get OKC treatment again...

Game 3 of the OKC series was close despite the FT discrepancy
and then the Lakers crapped it up in Game 4…

the last thing we need is to have this series extended and open possible new injuries…

by Nostance on May 24, 2010 1:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah... I don't think so.

I think LA will come out strong in Game 4.
They’ve always been a team that needs external motivation, and I think Boston will provide that tomorrow.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 24, 2010 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the whistles are even, we'll be okay.

The only wild card here is if the Suns ever find their outside game and their bench shows. They went 3-21 and 0-11 from three.

37-42 FT vs. 16-20.

Lakers shot well from the stripe, and the Suns were way above normal. That probably won’t happen again.

All in all, you can’t be too upset about this, except from the standpoint of the zebras. We played a poor game while the Suns played very well (except for their bench). If the FTs had been relatively even, we’d be 3-0.

Suns fans are celebrating and dreaming of tieing the series. Unless they get a similar gift wrap job in game four, this thing goes five and we close them out at Staples.

The Lakers need to force it inside like games 1-2, and then stick with it, forcing the refs to blow the whistles.

Boston will win tomorrow, so the Lakers understand the importance. I think they’ll rise to the occasion, and the desert shall be in weeping mode soon enough.

by LakersForDeuce on May 24, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh... I like that: "weeping mode".

Tho’ it may have read more poetic if you’d just left it as

and the desert shall be weeping soon enough.

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 24, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

So they finally fired Mike Brown...

The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...

by With Malice on May 24, 2010 1:31 AM PDT reply actions  

if he didnt go, then lebron would probably go

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 24, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Lebron can go whether or not they keep him

he’s been on Brown’s side throughout the past couple seasons anyway. If anything, he could’ve gotten him fired years ago if thats what he wanted.

by Marty Mart on May 24, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter if Brown goes or stays, James isn't leaving.

"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson

by SoCalGal on May 24, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

so....

with Rajon Rondo emerging as a great point guard, are the Celtics better than they were in 2008?

Kobe: "I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."

by hrghori on May 24, 2010 2:07 AM PDT reply actions  

that was what i noticed

the free throw disparity. odom and others were attacking the paint just as the suns. funny they won thru that. not on some scoring barrage. they sure needed the refs help

Not only can water float a boat, it can sink it also.

by Zanarkand on May 24, 2010 4:09 AM PDT reply actions  

The NBA, after all, is a business

and sweeps are bad for business,,,

I can't tell if Phil Jackson is playing 3D chess and is 10 moves ahead of us or if he's just goddamn senile...

by Mike1204 on May 24, 2010 4:54 AM PDT reply actions  

What about the effort disparity?

That is what did the Lakers in. If we (Laker fans) hate it so much when we are accused of getting too much love from the refs and all these conspiracies about how Stern wants the Lakers in the Finals we can’t feed into that mentality. The team that put in more effort yesterday won. I’m glad they are facing some type of adversity because they will need to be mentally strong against Celtics.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 6:27 AM PDT reply actions  

you just hate to see the zebras favor the other team

That’s what we saw in the 2008 finals. The refs allowed rugby and the Lakers weren’t ready for it. They got hit and nothing was called. You even touched Pierce and we got whistled. It was horribly uneven.

If that kind of crap happens again, we’re likely to see a similar result.

by LakersForDeuce on May 24, 2010 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

you are right

but the refs and their calls is out of the Lakers control. They can only worry about what they have control over. Odom’s effort, Bynum’s effort and so on… But you do have a point.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Umm... it was FT's, definitely FT's. The Lakers stayed in the game, the entire game, despite the disparity.

There was no lack of effort. At no point in the game did it look like the Lakers ‘didnt’ care. Never did it look like they were ‘going through the motions.’ Kobe almost had a triple double, Pau was hustling and consistently fouling (or getting called for) Amare. They tried to rush back in the game at the end even when PHX was hitting all over their shots. PHX won the game, but LA contested hotly. The difference, though, was home cooking.

Once again, one player on the opposing team almost shot more free throws than the entire Lakers team. This would be understandable if the Lakers were commonly known to be a fouling, hacking, team. Alas, they are not.

That said, I understand yours, and Gils, and probably CA’s and Dexters point; you guys want us, the fans, to not moan and whine about the officiating every time we lose and blame ‘the man.’ Point taken. Even including the FT disparity, a couple shots here and a couple there in the last five minutes, and LA could have won. Well, it didn’t go that way. No biggie. My eyes are not wet, my spirit isn’t down.

Its good for LA to lose a few, and get tested by a good zone defense, because Boston is waiting, and I really, Really, do Not want to lose to them. We need some struggle to prepare us for Boston.

by Jevon O on May 24, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

but its only one game. This entire post season the Lakers have been doing really well.

Personally for me I dont think its whining that you or anyone else comment about the refs. I think its cool to show that type of passion. My posts are just my point of view and I dont think anyone should be a fan according to how I think. The intention of my post was only as a reminder that we are always on the opposite side of that and when the Lakers win our wins are discredited as if the Lakers dont deserve any win because of the refs.

Sure there was a disparity but it was one game and I have full confidence in this team no matter what the refs do or dont call. But you should be free to express how you feel about the refs. I don’t say anything wrong with that.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

um... it was Turnovers, definitely Turnovers.

Turnovers
Free Throws
Falling in love with the 3……..

All lead to the Lakers losing game 3

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 24, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kobe Bryant seems to disagree with you.

I’ll take Kobe’s interpretation

http://lakers.freedomblogging.com/2010/05/24/kobe-bryants-may-24-interview-2/36439/

What is his first answer? Free Throws. He kept it diplomatic, but said the truth. Free Throws. ;)

by Jevon O on May 25, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

free throws were probably the most obvious,

but if you take away any of those three problems we had in that game, and we probably win. take away ten free throws from the suns and we win. subtract ten turnovers from the lakers and we win. shoot ten less 3 pointers and we probably win.

free throws were a huge part of it, but there were also other things that caused us to lose the game.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 25, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was probably the most obvious,

but i fyou take away any of those three problems we had in that game, and we probably win. take away ten free throws from the suns and we win. subtract ten turnovers from the lakers and we win. shoot ten less 3 pointers and we probably win.

free throws were a huge part of it, but there were also other things that caused us to lose the game.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'll add in the D-fence. 10 better Defensive stops or possesions and we win.

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 25, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't mind not blaming the refs.

But I’m not gonna blame effort. How do you beat a zone? Crisp passing and hitting open shots. Even when we had crisp passes we weren’t exactly hitting the open shots until like less than a minute left in the game, when it was too little too late. Did you see Kobe literally running down the floor to try and score down ten with 2 min to go? We didn’t just pack it in and not foul like the Cavs. We still tried to come back. Unfortunately, Amare continued to work Pau inside and we couldn’t get a stop to finish it off, but we continued to play. I don’t see it as a lack of effort, but I also don’t see it as a ref job. We were close enough to try to win and we didn’t give up. Unfortunately, it didn’t go our way this time. I don’t see that happening again.

by Marty Mart on May 24, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough and all good points. : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

well, obviously we dont like to lose, but this is for better

we have to make adjustments now instead of doing it in the finals, that way we can be ready for it

by kb06 on May 24, 2010 7:00 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

very encouraging.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

he shot above 50% in the Jazz series

and has been above 50% for most of this series as well

by Marty Mart on May 24, 2010 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Like a broken record

I have really been following the Lakers this year. Winning on the road is tough in the playoffs. After game two, everyone thought it would be a cakewalk here. The bitching about the refs never ends. Sterns has some conspiracy. We all live in the Matrix.

I have watched Kobe this year like a hawk. That guy could play basketball with a blindfold his feel is so good. Pau is also an unreal talent, but a guy like Kobe is just an artist. He is one of those guys that you want to watch just to tell people about when you are an old fart. And he was getting dissed in the OKC series. Dude was hurt and still killed us.

But you guys foul a lot. Part of OKC’s whole GAME is to draw fouls. If you have your arms low, Durant will just hook it taking the shot. And he ain’t Shaq at the line.

I watched the game and thought the Lakers would still put it away until the 3’s started raining. Game fell apart in about two minutes. What was that?

Win one on the road and it will be in the bag, but don’t expect them to give it to you. And I LIKE the Lakers. This place is really active, but I see the same stuff over and over. Lakers just need to do what they did to us at OKC, beat us at home with a huge effort. Get it over quick so injuries don’t pile up. Playoffs are a catfight. I knew you would smoke the Jazz. I sit four rows behind opponents bench, and we blew them out so bad in the last home game that they just looked lost. I have never seen a team that spaced out.

by okcfan on May 24, 2010 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Always enjoy your posts

great comments and good to see and outsider’s point of view. 4 row behind? really? that is awesome. Especially if you have season tickets.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I split them with friends. You don’t have to be Jack to get hot seats here.

We are too polite. Nobody even heckles them.

by okcfan on May 24, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

uhhh

I should add that after this year, you lose em, and they are gone for eternity.

by okcfan on May 24, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

true.

the tickets are so expensive that I hope one day to have enough money to sit as close as possible and even that alone means I have to save up a couple of thousand. At least for as close as I want to sit.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great post.

So, to you, the Lakers foul a lot?

As in, they foul to the tune of 20 more free throws a game, only on the road?

They do this only in the post season?

Is it your opinion that maybe we get Extreme Home Cookin’ (to the extent that we foul So much at home and it only latently shows up in the playoffs on the road where the teams actually get what they deserve)

I ask this because our team averages a medium foul tally, and we send teams to the line an otherwise normal amount of the time during the regular season (home and away) and during the playoffs at home. Yet, our closest playoff games this year come on games where the away team shoots 20+more FT’s in the game than us. Its perplexing, then, and maybe the reason is that we are a dirty, fouling, team that only gets calls against us on the road?

by Jevon O on May 24, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

victory sex was AWSOME!!!

and a shout out to your boy 36 11 and 9…I think he does hate PHX

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by 2NASHTY on May 24, 2010 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I just hope 2NASHTY didnt come up short, in the end

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 24, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny

no articles highlight Kobe’s near triple double.

by Marty Mart on May 24, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

who?

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who is this boys in green that guys is referring to?

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 24, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Sonics? : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 24, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 24, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

the eagles?

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by Czheck on May 24, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Border Patrol????

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 24, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

thats them!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 24, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

the employees at starbucks?

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 24, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?!?

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on May 24, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny, Rashard Lewis is in that Home Depot Careers ad...

"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson

by SoCalGal on May 24, 2010 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Laker Defense....or lack of it

For a die-hard Laker fan, I could not have been more disappointed , what the hell happened? are they or have they forgotten that this is a playoff finals game? or did they take it for granted that because they won the first two games easily, they were going to beat the Suns almost as easy at home!
What the hell happened to the HUSTLE? It’s as if they did not want any of those offensive rebounds, and all those stupid turnovers! my God, these are the finals and it’s no time to be complacent. they should have been more aggressive, decisive, and of course more eager than they were.
I was especially surprised that Phil Johnson waited so long before he called time-outs. it’s as if he wanted them to coach themselves! you can’t wait till you’re too deep in the hole to take action, I am not taking away anything from his coaching ability. but, it’s my opinion that finals require more astute and shrewd methods than regular season .

by Big Gus on May 25, 2010 10:28 PM PDT reply actions  

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