Lakers-Suns Game Two Preview: Taste the Adjustments!
The Phoenix Suns have faced the Los Angeles Lakers at Staples Center three times this season, and all three times the Lakers have butchered the Suns' def-, er... "defense." In November, the Lake Show scored 1.20 points per possession (PPP) against Phoenix. In the December matchup, they scored 1.23 PPP. Last night they disemboweled the Suns worse than ever, ringing up an out-of-control 1.39 points per trip. Three of their best offensive performances of the season, and I don't know about you guys, but I'm starting to think it's not a coincidence that they came at the expense of squishy-soft Phoenix.
As we turn the page from the Lakers' exhilarating Game One blowout and peer ahead to Game Two this evening, a single question looms over all others: can the Suns do something, anything, to keep the Laker attack from running wild? The Phoenix offense was fine on Monday night. The Phoenix defense wasn't even close to fine. It didn't inhabit the same dimension as fine. To make contact with fine, it would've needed advanced forms of black magic or a science fictiony time-space portal.
Will Alvin Gentry and Phoenix make the proverbial Game Two adjustments tonight? It'd be nice if they didn't, since that would mean the Suns once again get their asses beat like they got caught stealing the Lakers' cars. That, unfortunately, seems too much to hope for. The Suns know that whatever they tried in Game One doesn't work, and in a best-of-seven series there's not that much time for luck to even out. (Sorry, Amare.) "Let's keep doing the same thing and hope their shots don't fall" isn't much of a strategy, so let's figure out what razzmatazz Gentry might have in store for us.
First and foremost, it seems assured that the Lakers will see some zone defense tonight. They got to the rim unimpeded way too much in Game One. The Suns don't have the individual talent to keep Kobe Bryant or Lamar Odom from knifing into the paint or Pau Gasol from dancing around defenders in the post. They need a team-based approach to keeping the ball on the perimeter. True, the Lakers killed them from behind the arc on Monday, making 8 of 17 three-point attempts, but if the Lakers are going to shoot like that from outside, you're going to lose anyway. The formula should be to take away the inside game and hope Laker outside shooters revert to their season-long averages. The Suns played some zone in the last regular-season contest between the two teams. The Lakers didn't look comfortable trying to attack it.
In addition to discouraging drives to the hoop, a zone could have the benefit of generating a few extra turnovers. The passing lanes look unfamiliar, and the Lakers could get impatient and try to force the ball into tight spaces. Phoenix could use the steals. They came up with only nine turnovers in 92 possessions in Game One, continuing an incredible run of Laker steadiness. Since halftime of Game Three against Utah, the Lakers have had 227 offensive possessions and turned the rock over only 18 times. That's the sign of an offense that knows where the ball should go and that gets it there quickly and cleanly.
The other big adjustment one can expect from the Phoenix D is some double-teaming of Kobe. Le Mamba Noir had one of his all-time great playoff performances in Game One. He's probably not going to play at that level tonight - he won't have had a week's worth of rest this time, and those heights of magnificence are hard to sustain even for talents as immense as Kobe's - but if he's even close to being that deadly, Gentry really has no choice but to bring help and make him give up the ball. Problem is, Kobe is fantastic at punishing double-teams. He hasn't faced many this year, but both Denver and Orlando tried it in the playoffs last season, and Kobe had little difficulty either splitting the double on the bounce or passing out to the open man. It's a high-risk strategy for Phoenix, but they might not have any choice.
There are a few things that went right for the Laker offense in Game One that we can't count on every night. Kobe made 6 of 10 long twos and 3 of 6 three-pointers, both well above his season averages. Those averages were depressed by health problems that don't seem to be bothering him anymore, but these are still tough percentages to maintain. Lamar was superaggressive going to the hole, and we know that vivacity can disappear from his game without warning. And can we really expect him, Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar to bury 4 of 6 longballs again? Hey, great if it happens, but I wouldn't bet my refrigerator box on it.
Despite these caveats, the Laker offense is in firm control of this matchup right now. Phoenix simply isn't stocked with skilled individual defenders. They don't have the speed to stay in front of guys. They don't have the strength to push opponents out of their comfort spots. They don't have the length to bother shooters. And frankly, they don't play with the orneriness that could make up for some of these physical shortcomings. If the Lakers stick to their gameplan and play to their strengths, Phoenix won't be able to lay a glove on them.
And what of the Suns' offense, that legendary unit people write operas about? A lot of talk has zeroed in on their poor three-point shooting. They made 5 of 22 attempts in Game One, which isn't likely to happen again. Jared Dudley (1 for 5) and Channing Frye (1 for 7) were the chief bricklayers. Phoenix needs them to get it together, and they probably will to some degree. On the other hand, it's not like Robin Lopez is going to shoot 6 of 7 every night, and odds are the Suns as a team aren't going to enjoy another big free-throw advantage. There were some fluky things that went the Lakers' way on Monday, but not every fluky thing went the Lakers' way.
I'm interested to see what Steve Nash comes up with tonight. He was OK in Game One. He did a fine job of dishing to the roll man, leading to a half-dozen or so easy Phoenix shots at the rim. But he missed both of this three-point attempts, was useless on defense and committed three turnovers in the third quarter when the Lakers went on their massive surge. It was a pretty underwhelming performance for a guy billed as a weapon the Lakers would have no hope of stopping. Goran Dragic was actually the more efficient point guard, though granted, he often got to work against the Laker reserves.
As always, it would behoove the Lakers to make this a short series. I'm not convinced the Orlando Magic are dead yet, but they're certainly in a distressed state, and a sweep at the hands of the Boston Celtics is very conceivable. The Lakers would do well to keep pace with their loathsome East Coast rivals by logging their eighth straight playoff win tonight.
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great article Dex
I agree completely , I really didn’t see Boston winning two games on the road but you are right its best we keep up with them and get the rest we need , especially for Drew who it seems is in a worse condition than Kobe
Great article - here's what the Suns Need to Do
Robin Lopez had a differential of +2 which is unheard of in a game where his team lost by 21. He needs to play more than 24 minutes for the Suns to have a chance. But the Lakers look too strong and big for anyone left in this league. VIsit us at http://bballbreakdown.com for even more basketball!
lakers wins tonight
oh yeah i just got a mod warning for showing support for me team and arguing with CA clark over showing my enthusiasm for the lakers. Apparently i cant call suns and their teams “pathetic.” come one folks its the playoffs loosen up and stop being so fucking up tight. and thats you too, CA.
I can tell you from experience that you won't win this battle....
better to relax, regroup, and drink heavily. That’s what I do.
All they are really trying to do is to hold people to a higher standard than most other sites. Sometimes I think it goes a bit too far, but it’s a lot better than the alternative (see Yahoo Sports).
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
watch it
keep this up and you’ll be a victim of Dex’s infamous “Ka-Ban!!”
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
It's ok C.A.
I think Dex pilfered the Ka-Ban from Chowder lol That’s copyright infringement Dex!!
You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........
Enthusiasm - noun
1 a : belief in special revelations of the Holy Spirit b : religious fanaticism
2 a : strong excitement of feeling
As soon as you point out to me which part of that definition includes being a jerk to somebody who’s being nice to you, I’ll unban you and apologize for the misunderstanding.
Otherwise, It’s not you, LAChamp, it’s me. I .. I just don’t think we’re a good fit together. But I can hook you up with my friend, CBS Sports, if you’d like.
Yeah, loosen up your standards of being a decent human, C.A.!
What, are you trying to make this a good site or what?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Can I just say that I'm cool with banning this dude for a while?
It’s not the first time he’s been out of control. My $.02.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Lamar Odom in response to Amar'e
“Hopefully I can have another lucky game.”
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screw Amare......lol
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Amare could use a little luck, considering he only has 3 rebounds in game 1. LO had 19!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on May 19, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Amare's words got screwed up.
What he meant to say was, “With Lamar getting 19 boards to my 3, we’re lucky we didn’t lose by 35.”
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
by RMason on May 19, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Amare needs so play some D
Maybe if Mr. Stouemire playe some efense, Oom wouln’t be so lucky. On Monday, the chair at Li’s draft workout played better D than Amare.
+1 and rec'd
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on May 19, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
"He just got lucky"
yeah, lucky he got matched up with an abysmal defender in Amar’e
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by akb24b on May 19, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol yup!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Really though,
Amare’s comments shouldn’t ever be taken seriously.
His mouth betrays his brain.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
he was just being optimistic
he did reference that lamar got a career high in playoff rebounds…which is unlikely to happen again. but he also has to realize that if not lamar, pau & drew would’ve gotten them anyways :p
can we really call Amare a defender?
To me it looked like he was escorting Odom to the basket.
You can't pick that ball up and run with it
-Phil Jackson
just like Delonte!!

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by akb24b on May 19, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." -Kobe
by rs850_Lakers on May 19, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Great post Dex! and way to lay it out for us.....Venom will be spit tonite!!
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Yeea really wish he hadn't said that.
oh well guess the dudes going through personell issues…not that that’s any excuse
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lol his deals shouldnt be the teams!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as adjustments go
It’s pretty cut-and-dry for the Suns. Get somebody, anybody, to defend the paint and rebound. Not taking anything at all away from the Lakers, but a team simply cannot win a playoff game if they allow 22 (by Steve Kerr’s count) drives down the middle.
PHX looked passive, and the Lakers looked relentless. They will continue to wrecklessly attack, and if PHX gets waxed in the paint again, their season will be over very quickly.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
You guys will call me crazy
but thought grant did a decent job on kobe…a fairly high # of his were sicktastic jump shots. hill was pretty much in his grill on those. then again 40 points iz 40 points
"I did not write this" by Not me
I agree with you. Holding him to only 40 – far short of his career best of 81. Congrats on that!
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
by olf on May 19, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hill did an admirable job on Kobe when he was on him.
The man is 37. There arent many 37 year olds that could hold KB to 12 or 14 points in the first half. (even though he wasnt really looking to take over in the first half). Kobe went off in the 3rd when Hill was on the bench in foul trouble. Im not saying Hill could have slowed KB down, but he is a much better defender than JRich or Dudley.
IMO, Hill did a fair job on Kobe. Not great, but alot better than what others have done.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on May 19, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly,
I’m not concerned with Kobe scoring 40. The Lakers have lost many games that Kobe has scored 40 in, but when they attack the rim like in game 1, a great game from Kobe turns a sure win into a blowout.
It was so typical of basketball rythym, the easy buckets that LA got in the paint resulted in them going white-hot from outside. Attack the rim first, then carry the momentum over to the 3 point line. Game over.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
Many games?
correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Lakers 11-1 in the playoffs when Kobe scored 40 or more, and like 7 -1 this season? /facepalm
ohh man, now you made me feel guilty. It's like telling a kid Santa doesn't exist. ;[
in before “SANTA DOESN’T EXIST!?”
32 = many
But I was actually crediting the Lakers rythym and attack mentality, which opened up shots from the outside. I wasn’t going into “lynch Kobe” mode. I didn’t even say anything negative about him. At ease, soldier.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
If that was 32 out of 60, then sure that would be many. And most of those losses came from the Smush-Kwame era, which skewed that stats.
And I’m not actually thinking your attacking anyone, but just sayin. Sorry if I was rude, probably because of my “lols” rest assured they’re just empty and means nothing.
Understood, your lols are now ok with me.
We can be freinds.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
haha thats just ridiculous
Yes the “Lakers” have lost 32 games where Kobe scores 40. But this year Laker team has only lost once when Kobe scores 40+. Again as a said before, letting Kobe run wild might give you a win when he’s cold but it won’t win you a series. I hope the suns are thinking like you do cuz this will be short
You can't pick that ball up and run with it
-Phil Jackson
yes sir! and i love the facepalm
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry, but that's just a common misconception about Kobe....
We rarely lose when he has a high scoring game. I am not going to take the time to look it up, but feel free. I can assure you the percentage is higher than the Lakers team winning percentage in that time frame.
Here is another myth. “Kobe shoots the Lakers out of games”. Wrong. Very, very rarely does he shoot the Lakers out of games. However quite often he fails to shoot the Lakers back into a game. That’s where his 9-31 games come from. Not from shooting them “out” of a game.
Kobe might have been selfish in 1996, but he hasn’t been that kind of a player in a long, long time.
(for the record I am ranting at anti-Kobe people, not your directly =-)
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Understood,
My point was that as a Suns fan, I’m more worried about all the drives to the rim that the Lakers got. If Kobe is on, he’s going to score 40+ no matter what.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
at least u understand that unlike Chuck
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, good preview!
The Suns will need some drastic changes on defense, and a little luck to beat the Lakers tonight, IMO. The Lakers were hot from the floor on Monday. The Suns will need them to come off their hot streak to have a chance. Also, they’ll probably need to move to a zone, like you said, and hope the Lakers can’t cope with it. Although, I’m pretty sure Kobe and Co. will have no problem shredding the zone once they figure out a gameplan for it.
The Suns defense is still the Suns defense. The Lakers could very easily win by 20+ again tonight if they are on…and 10+ if they aren’t.
This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they die! Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time.
by ZeroIndulgence on May 19, 2010 11:04 AM PDT reply actions
It easy to shoot 61% when most of your shots are within 5 feet of the rim.
Just saying………
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on May 19, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
True, true.
This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they die! Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time.
by ZeroIndulgence on May 19, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope the Suns don't go zone
They need to rebound better, and this won’t happen if they use a zone.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
The Suns aren’t tall enough to rebound much better, no matter the circumstances. The zone could at least keep the Lakers to the perimeter, where its tough to rebound from anyways.
I hope the Suns don’t go zone, because the Lakers shredded their man to man on Monday. More of that would be fine by me.
This is where we hold them! This is where we fight! This is where they die! Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time.
by ZeroIndulgence on May 19, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
True...
And the other thing they’ve supposedly got to do is “improve 3pt shooting”.
Well, having Ro-Lo and Amare on the floor will be a necessity for more rebounding, but it’s not going to help your 3pt shooting that much.
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
I hope they do go zone...
…because Boston and Orlando are already thinking aead to the Lakers and the zone D is on the clipboard of some assistant coach…be nice to have some zone D scrimmage time…sorry that could be a borderline jinx…
They are not very good at help defense either
Or do I mean that Amare doesn’t offer weakside help. You play zone defense against these Lakers and you’re just begging Artest, Kobe, Pau, and Lamar to cut into the key and either out-muscle (in Artest or Kobe’s case) or finish at the hole (Artest, Kobe, Lamar, and Pau).
As far as your defense is concerned, give Amundson more minutes as he is motivated and hustles on weak side, but I am unsure of Lopez’s health and ability.
Totally agree.
1. Zone is suicide
2. Amare offered no weakside, or strongside, or frontside or backside help
3. More minutes for Lou
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
hmmmmm...
“2. Amare offered no weakside, or strongside, or frontside or backside help”
but i thought he wasnt gonna give our bigs any pennance or rest for the wicked?
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
well he's talking agian.....bet "little brother" steps up tonite as well!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you just roll the dice with the zone
And hope they be bricking.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
the type of d doesen't matter if they dont pick up the intensity and thier shot %
respectfully optimistic…and will show up on ssr for my poison if we loose
"I did not write this" by Not me
Great write-up as per usual. My favorite part was:
Phoenix simply isn’t stocked with skilled individual defenders. They don’t have the speed to stay in front of guys. They don’t have the strength to push opponents out of their comfort spots. They don’t have the length to bother shooters. And frankly, they don’t play with the orneriness that could make up for some of these physical shortcomings.
If it weren’t for all that their defense would be about average.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
I sincerely hope that the Suns show up tonight.
No rebounding + Kobe going off + not remembering how to box out = no chance.
Our “improved” defense showed up for the first few minutes then disappeared. We’re never going to be a elite defensive unit, but we’ve shown we can get stops. Can we against the Lakers?
Channing Frye has to hit 3’s. If he’s not hitting, then the entire flow of the offense is shot.
Your team dominated ours on Monday, no doubt. I’m hoping we can return the favor tonight.
Educated Basketball Fan, Totally Uneducated Baseball Fan.
"You know, what do we have to lose? Why not root for us?...For us, it's just going out there and having fun and balling." - Channing Frye
yea me too
losing makes my beer salty…tragically accurate article though
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Zone is going to make rebounding more difficult for the defense
Since there is not an assigned player to box out.
So the Lakers need to take advantage of that if the Suns decide to go zone, and get some offensive boards if/when they go zone.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
So the Lakers need to take advantage of that if the Suns decide to go zone, and get some offensive boards if/when they go zone.
I think Pau does a very good job of this so im not too worried Gil
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Zone is not the answer
The zone defense is not a good defense against the Lakers…at least hopefully it won’t be in this series if Phoenix goes that route. PHX already isn’t a great rebounding team and going zone will make them even worse as each player as to guard an area instead of a specific player and if the offense misses a shot it gives them an even greater chance at getting offensive rebounds which could result in 2nd chance points.
Plus the zone has gaps and when faced against a team like the Lakers who are great at passing the ball and have this guy named Kobe who can penetrate the paint at will, will make easy shots for himself or for his team. As a Lakers fan I actually wouldn’t mind if PHX goes zone or even decides to double Kobe as we saw last year against Orlando what happens when you double him, he’ll find his teammates for an easy basket. Here’s hoping the current trend of games at Staples continue vs PHX and we get another double digit victory.
Zone will especially hurt once Lopez leaves the floor
Gasol and Odom will get offensive rebounds at will.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I don't even care how Phoenix defends the lakers
Laker’s O needs some good practicing against some decent defense.
I’m more concerned about if our boys still remember how to play defense. They let phoenix connect at 49% on monday (above their playoff average). That’s not acceptable if you want to win a championship.
Remember the past Ron on Kobe interview. He said people thought Kobe was the next Grant Hill. That's kinda cute.
Not that the Suns didn’t try. According to TNT’s Doug Collins, Shane Battier, Duke Class of 2001, had sent Grant Hill, Class of 1994, “a five-page letter” prior to the start of the series which had detailed instructions on how to defend Bryant.this is even cuter. xD
Ha
The first four pages were blank.
The fifth was blank too, except for one word at the very bottom of the page in Time New Roman font, size 8.5 : “Pray.”
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gil Meriken on May 19, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
lol! i think one whole page described all about how to position your hand in front of Kobe's face!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
you forgot, there was a picture on the front:

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on May 19, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL! Rec
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard JJ Redick emailed Grant Hill some guidance on when to call timeouts
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by DexterFishmore on May 19, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
oooooh burn!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember Hill saying to a reporter
That he couldn’t understand most of it because it was mostly statistical analysis.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
lol didnt he go to college?
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by Sarge Clemins on May 19, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Statistics 101 doesn't prep you for the kind of stuff
That Daryl Morey can give you.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Bucher, amazingly, with a great article on why LeBron is not only a douche
But a douche with megalomania and horrible GM skills.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?page=lebron_week_lebron_as_GM_bucher
No team, even the one that ultimately wins this year’s championship, would turn down the chance to get reigning two-time MVP LeBron James, The Player. Aside from being the most dominant physical talent in the NBA, he is a box-office and advertising draw capable of doubling the value of a franchise.
But if getting James, The Player, means having to take on James, The GM, that’s a trickier proposition.
Unless, of course, your team would happily take what James and the Cavaliers have done for the past seven years: five playoff appearances, including one unsuccessful run to the NBA Finals. Some teams (see: the New York Knicks) no doubt would, in light of where they’ve been for the past decade. Just know that the Cavs are where they are — capped out with a modicum of trading chips — because the team power structure supposedly has looked like this: owner Dan Gilbert, GM Danny Ferry and head coach Mike Brown.
With James standing just below Gilbert and just above Ferry.
“Do you acquiesce to a superstar?” says one assistant GM. “If you’re going to let him choose his coach and decide who the No. 2 player is, that’s acquiescing in a way that hurts his franchise.”
Multiple league sources say that the Cleveland Cavaliers, in their attempt to keep James since drafting him with the No. 1 pick seven years ago, have done just that. Two opposing GMs, without citing specific examples, said they know James has vetoed deals Ferry would have made over the past few years.
Meanwhile, the acquisitions of Larry Hughes, Mo Williams, Shaquille O’Neal and Antawn Jamison all have been made at James’ behest, sources say. And whether it’s by James’ hand or the Cavaliers’, the team has been constructed on the presumption that he is Michael Jordan, a scorer and finisher, rather than Magic Johnson, a playmaker who needed a go-to closer alongside him to win titles. “They tried to make him Michael,” says one league executive. “He’s not.”
The consensus among front-office executives is that to transform James not merely into a money-making machine but a championship-producing one as well, the Cavs or any other franchise needs to hire a coach who can convince James to lose the pregame skits and develop the kind of footwork Kobe Bryant and Paul Pierce have, for starters. The problem is that the coaches with the obvious pedigrees are currently employed elsewhere: Heat president Pat Riley, Los Angeles Lakers coach Phil Jackson and Spurs coach Gregg Popovich. (Charlotte Bobcats coach Larry Brown has the pedigree, but his relationship with James was forever damaged during their stint together with Team USA.)
Anyone believing the Chicago Bulls would promise James he could hire his head coach doesn’t know owner Jerry Reinsdorf or the franchise’s history during Jordan’s era. Jordan, after all, didn’t want Jackson to replace Doug Collins as head coach, despised the deal that sent his good friend Charles Oakley to the Knicks for Bill Cartwright and had legendary contempt for GM Jerry Krause.
Six rings later …
“Jerry will never, ever turn the franchise over to a player,” said one former Bull. “Ever.”
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on May 19, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Straight up 2007 Kobe-esque media treatment
My advice to Lebron: find a winning team, that will quiet the haters … as long as you keep winning. Negative press is like an inflatable mat in the pool, if you want to keep it underwater, you must apply continuous pressure, and that pressure is winning.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
True
you know what I meant! A title winning team!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Or at least one that will compete beyond mid-May!
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Could Lebron James foreseen Antwan Jamison pussy out against Garnett?
by rickfox on May 19, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Jamison wasn't exactly a great defender to begin with
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
plus, the cavs had good team defense
they were able to cover up for mo williams for most of the season (kind of like our guys covering up for fish)
but somehow, their team defense brokedown.
That's a chicken and egg question :)
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Doug Collins kept saying in game that the suns will use zone in game 2
In a game at home they tried it between the latter portions of the 1st and into the 2nd quarter as well. It made the lakers settle for jumpshots and threes at the end of the shotclock. The Lakers eventually debunked it in the 2nd half by drawing more defenders towards the player with the ball, then simply finding the open man under the rim or behind the arc.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
that why i don't understand where phoenix hope lies.
You can't pick that ball up and run with it
-Phil Jackson
PHX hope lies with the 3
I believe Dudley & Frye combined went 2-12 or something along those lines from 3pt territory. This is extremely detrimental to PHX as the 3pt shot is their main weapon and unless that starts falling than I don’t see them having a shot. Not saying any game won’t be close but if their only hope is that our shots not go through the net than they better have their fishing poles ready.
Plus some good news for us is that according to Bynum the swelling in his knee has gone down and I can only hope he’s able to contribute a bit more because if he can, than PHX has even less of a chance to steal a game tonight.
hope?
r u a laker fan?…would you lose hope on your team for loseing Game 1?…we are FANS that’s what we do. in 08 did you guys lose hope for your team after g1 of the finals…or game 1 of round 1…No…not unless you’re a really shitty fan.
That being said part of our hope comes from the 82 games we watched our boys play, the way they fought and came together and played excellent team ball. watching former no names step up BIG TIME. and it’s been a blast…Isn’t that why people become fans? (and yes it would be nice to get the 3 ball back)..
.However if all you’ve seen of us was game one i can understand the sentiment
"I did not write this" by Not me
I agree. As a fan, the best thing to do is to hope (because really, there's nothing else we can do besides financial and moral support)
It could be tangible hope or distant hopes (even lottery teams have plenty of fans)
However, as a player/coach on the team, you’d better not just “hope” things will go your way or “hope” that lamar odom doesn’t have a “lucky” game :p.
I meant how do the phoenix suns expect to beat us.
I wasn’t talking about the fans. Fans can hope all they want (and we do) but it doesn’t stop the better team from winning
You can't pick that ball up and run with it
-Phil Jackson
point taken
for all the same reason i mentioned…Nash has even said this isn’t as talanted a team as in years past, but they have a chemistry and team mentallity better then ever before…This is not to knock on your team…indvidaully yours guys played great, and that can be a good stratigy when you’ve got that much exp and talent. PHX got drawn out of there game and overall didn’t exute as well as normal…besides what are they gonna do ? give up… and if you don’t follow the suns much you should know there are only a handful of players in the NBA whos drive dedication and competitveness excel even thier lofty peers…you guys have one of those players…and so do we. does any of this garuntee a win …no but, but it should make for a good game
"I did not write this" by Not me
They do have good chemistry
From those goofy videos during the season, they seem to genuinely like each other
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
16...15...14...13...12...11...10...9...8...
I know when me and my friends on the porch, we can listen to Lionel Ritchie and bond
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by rickfox on May 19, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
All season long
I heard about the Cavs’ great chemistry. How they all had so much fun together and everyone loved LeBron. I also heard all about how the Celtics were tired of Doc and their Big 3 couldn’t accept Rondo becoming the new alpha dog.
Winning creates chemistry, not the other way around.
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by DexterFishmore on May 19, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Fans need to read between the lines of the regular season and post season.
To find a team that dominates the regular season and the post season are rare. Season after season we see teams like the Mavs, Suns and Cavs dominate 82, score a MVP trophy and then not live to play in the Finals. Cinderella doesn’t raise the O’Brien trophy over her head. Until these teams make fundamental changes, they’ll keep looking for their glass slippers.
Steve Nash is the head of the snake
Dribble penetration, pick’n’roll w/Amare Stoudamire is Phx bread and butter.
Steve Nash has to stop facilitating the offense and became the primary for Phoenix to win. The 3’s you bring up only help the Suns when dribble penetration becomes a problem for Lakers.
by rickfox on May 19, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if Dudley and Frye hit some more threes....
they still have to play D. Something Amare, Nash, Richardson, Dudley, and Frye cannot do consistently.
Did you not watch the Lakers D?
The Lakers were first in defense against the 3-point shot in 2009-10. Amare can call it luck all he wants. The only, open, uncontested 3 a team is going to get against the Lakers is a cross-court pass through a sea of long arms. That is how the LA SSZ defense is designed. That is why when the Lakers feel like closing out on 3 point attempts, Phoenix will continue to make a low percentage of 3s (over the long run of course).
In game 1, I’d say at least 75% of the Phoenix 3s were contested. Even if on a switch. San Antonio, maybe half, if lucky. Legs were tired.
We've all seen it...
So why not see it again?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NacZzdMP4C0
Dayum.
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
Docfunk on the lottery




If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
You missed the best one!

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Hey Ben,
I read over a comment somewhere that said you had done a position-by-position break down between the Lakers and Celtics and why the Lakers match up so well now.. (getting ahead of myself, I know, but it still peaked my interest) Can you point me in the right direction?
Not sure I ever wrote something like that
I can oblige you here though. The only tangible advantage Boston has against the Lakers is point guard (this sounds like a broken record for the playoffs), but at practically every other position, it’s a wash, or we claim a significant advantage.
Pierce fits into the type of wing that Artest can absolutely shut down, and Pierce is frankly, a shadow of his previous self. When LeBron was guarding him one-on-one during the Cleveland series, he was positively awful, and only regained his groove when LeBron nonsensically tried to guard Rondo and Anthony Parker ended up on Pierce. Against Orlando, there isn’t a wing big enough to slow him down, an underrated thing that Turkoglu did during last year’s playoffs. Artest is obviously a better defender than both of them.
The frontcourt matchup honestly tilts in our favor also. Garnett has gotten better, but again, he’s definitely not close to the level he’s was at during ‘07-’08 on either end of the court, and Gasol should be able to get his points and check Garnett at the other end. Garnett’s primary offense comes from midrange shots and post-ups, both of which Gasol can guard due to his mobility and height advantage. Perkins isn’t a significant offensive threat, especially against someone who can stay in the lane and not be overpowered by him, which Bynum can do just fine. Bynum doesn’t need to necessarily score on the other end, but he does have a fairly significant height advantage. It depends a lot on the health of his knee, but if he’s relatively fine on it, he can be effective. Odom also has a fairly large advantage on anyone not named Garnett in the Celtics’ frontcourt — he’s too fast for Davis and ‘Sheed and can adequately check anyone in Boston’s frontcourt if ‘Sheed isn’t going into the post.
For Rondo and Allen, it depends a lot on whether Kobe is willing to chase Allen through screens (as Fisher has gotten less adept at it) or if he’s going to check Rondo. I’d take the latter so Kobe can retain some energy for offense, and he’ll cause problems for Rondo if he’s not in full free safety mode. Rondo will definitely run wild — there’s nothing we really can do about it — but between Kobe and our interior defense, which is honestly superior to anything Boston has faced so far in the playoffs — we’ll cut down a lot of Rondo’s drives and passing lanes.
On the subject of Kobe, the biggest difference between the ‘07-’08 team and now is that Boston has a lack of wing defenders to adequately check Kobe. The underrated thing Posey brought wasn’t his personal defensive prowess but another person in that wing rotation that could devote himself to checking Kobe. There really isn’t anyone else now — Allen is probably the best defender of the bunch, but he needs to concentrate on offense or Boston will struggle to score; Daniels and Allen will be carved up and Pierce lacks the speed to stay with Kobe.
To sum it up, we can slow down Boston’s offense much better than anyone has throughout the playoffs because we can slow down their wing threats and their frontcourt scoring while enjoying certain advantages on the offensive end. If Gasol continues to play at the level he’s been so far and Kobe stays healthy, I’m fairly confident of Lakers winning in six or so.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on May 19, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
makes perfect sense and rec'd
another point is that boston’s bench is relatively weak, therefore we shouldn’t expect ours to give leads to often
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
if anybody looks like chris tucker
its tyreke evans
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
ALL I NEED IS R-E-S-P-E-C-T!!!
So, literally had a day off 2day and have been watching NBA TV and ESPN all day, now watching TNT pre-game. One thing that sticks out in my mind is how LITTLE respect the Lakers have been getting from “so called” analyst. Wilbon actually said the Lakers are or have been inconsistent this post season and the Suns can get back in this! Umm…huh? How is losing only 2 games inconsistent??? Legs from espn expects Amare to dominate Lamar 2nite. And the rest of the basketball world has been all over the Celts and Lebron’s nuts the last week! C’mon Lakers!!! Time to show people this team aint no fuckin’ joke! Smoke the Suns 2nite…we’re the headliners in this league!!!
Somehow being doubted and disrespected is a good thing for this team
Everyone was all over the Lakers jock because of the Pau Gasol trade and everyone felt they were going to kill the Celtics in the Finals. They are the type of team that plays better when it has a chip on its shoulder. I welcome that negativity as long as the team gets wind of it. If they feel that the media is on their side they might just not be as motivated to play that well.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 19, 2010 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
yep. trash talking and belittling the lakers=good for them
i suppose they inherit after kobe in that aspect.
Yo! Check out the doc 'Gunnin' for that #1 spot, it's awesome.
by rickfox on May 19, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw that shit. have it on my ipod.
that shit is awesome.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 19, 2010 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
rickfox
not sure if you live in LA or if you ever been to the ArcLight theatre. They are super strict about people making noise. I remember they were showing a sneak preview of the Lebron documentary and as soon as it was over there is this silent pause before they show the other preview I yelled out Lakers Baby! and some people laughed but I almost got kicked out..lol no lie!
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 19, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
who care? respect from analysts never = championship (maybe they jinx people)
plus, most analysts expect the lakers to win anyways (and were dismissing boston only a few rounds ago)
the only respect the lakers need to have is from that Larry O’Brian trophy. only one that counts
I'm watching TNT's pregame show and Reggie Miller called out Barkley
sayint that he was “all on the Suns’ bandwagon” Barkeley as always he stuttered just to reply. so funny!
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 19, 2010 5:51 PM PDT reply actions
I honestly think Charles Barkley is a fully functioning moron
by rickfox on May 19, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
sometimes i think he does it on purpose just to get attention and provide entertainment
he knows that’s why they hired him
he says he wants to be GM, Is there an owner with a crack problem we don't know about
that would hire him.
by rickfox on May 19, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions

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