Suns vs. Lakers: Roundtable Predictions
We've had a week with which to look at the match-up between the Los Angeles Lakers and the Phoenix Suns, and that week has done nothing to quell the confidence of either side of this coin. Lakers fans are so sure we've got this that a lost game in Los Angeles might qualify as a panic. Suns fans are confident their time has arrived at last. Finally, finally, it's time to stop talking and start watching. Answers are coming. But, before answers arrive, we must unleash our predictions. If you listened to the podcast earlier in the week, you've already got a leg up on the competition.
Enjoy after the jump.
Gil Meriken
Lakers in 5
Phil Jackson has shown in the past that he is able to neutralize the attack of running teams and teams with stellar point guards (the Suns with Nash, the Hornets with Chris Paul) by slowing the tempo down. He accomplishes this by instructing his players to pound the ball inside - closer shots not only are higher percentage, but they have rebounds closer to the basket, which are less likely to ignite a fast break versus a longer rebound from an outside shot.
Now for the fun prediction part: I'm going to say that the Suns win game one, causing mass panic and oxygen shortages in Laker land, followed by the Lakers winning the next four games in succession. Yeah, that's the ticket. Lakers in 5. Confidence in my pick of length and winner of series? 12.5%
Wondahbap
Lakers in 4
I'm quite amused by some so-called "experts" whom are either picking this series to go 7 games or the Suns to win. What has changed in the past 2-3 seasons for them to go loony? A Phoenix sweep over the Spurs and some supposed improved defense. Cute. Our Lakers own this team, and the advantages they enjoy over Phoenix haven't gone away. Yes, Lakers are still bigger and yes, they still have more talent. This Phoenix team isn't as good as they were during the Seven Seconds or Less era, when the Kwame Brown Era gave the Suns fits, yet they are supposed to challenge a defending Champion Lakers team peaking? Uh-uh. Not happening. Grant Hill couldn't guard Kobe if Hill were still 27, never mind 37, and neither can Jared Dudley, nor Jason Richardson. Much like Boozer, Pau and Andrew will take turns embarrassing Amar'e. On both ends. One of the things you need to remember is Phoenix's big men like to scurry around and shoot threes. Ours post up, rebound, and block shots. Even if the Suns screen/roll provides problems for Drew, there's our ace in the hole, Lamar Odom. As Saurav mentioned, Deron Williams provided a much greater challenge than Steve Nash. Mostly because Nash wants to create, not slash to the hoop. Fish can handle that. Mainly, I can't imagine this series being close because the Lakers own the Suns these days because they do what Phoenix does well, BUT the Suns can't do what the Lakers do well. Even if they can give the Lakers' defense trouble, they cannot stop the Lakers' offense. Same ole same. Plus, the Lakers have their road swagger back. The Suns might get a game if they absolutely shoot the lights out one game. I'm predicting another sweep.
P.S. Sasha's back. Even though he's returning from injury, here's hoping the Machine returns. Pride is on the line vs. fellow Slovenian, Goran Dragic.
Saurav Das
Lakers in 5
3-1. The season series. I don't care about the back-to-back situation, or Channing freaking Frye missing a game. 3-1. And that's with Pau and Artest both missing a game each. I don't care about Jason Richardson lighting on fire from three, nor do I care about Amare supposedly playing 'MVP-calibre' basketball, or about Grant Hill's defense, or Goran Dragic (let's see him actually score 23 again, first?). The Suns have improved since the season series. So have the Lakers. Pau Gasol IS the MVP of the Second Round. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant. Derek Fisher is showing us all why he's been in this League for 14 years. Artest is bored after having the unenviable task of being assigned to C.J Miles for a series. Drew is bigger than anyone Phoenix has. All Phoenix can pull on L.A are Steve Nash and the bench. Let me just make one thing clear, Deron Williams > Steve Nash. Did that help Utah much? Nope. A bench cannot win the Suns 4 games, it'll be lucky to win them one. The Suns took one game in the season series, and I'll give them one here, if only because it's my personal policy to never predict a sweep.
This entire paragraph probably sounds extremely arrogant, but I smell blood. And no doubt, so do the Lakers.
Dexter Fishmore
Lakers in 5
The Suns' timing is all wrong. Had they caught the Lakers in the first round - before Kobe Bryant had found his postseason stride and guys like Derek Fisher, Shannon Brown and Jordan Farmar started making threes - I'd have given them a real shot in this series. I might even have made them the favorites. That they encounter the Lakers after the latter have had two rounds to smooth out their offensive glitches and get relatively, though not fully, healthy means the Suns' admirable season is just about over. Ron Artest will do to Jason Richardson what he did to Kevin Durant, the length of the Laker bigs will bother Amare Stoudemire into a few bad games, and the Phoenix offense won't hit hyperdrive as often as they need it to. When the Lakers have the ball, look for the usual: big numbers from Kobe and Pau Gasol and just enough timely shooting from the supporting players. I also expect a big series for the Lakers on the offensive glass. Call it one blowout win for each team, with the Suns keeping it close but falling short in the other three games.
C.A. Clark
Lakers in 6
Moreso than many others round these parts, I hear and believe in the talk coming out of the Suns camp. This is a new age for them. Previous results don't mean a whole lot in regards to this particular team. The Suns have been winning games in ways that didn't seem conceivable a couple years, or even a couple months, back. The strong rebounding, the lip service paid to defense, and a bench that plays as an entirely different team (and both teams are good, mind you) than the regulars. As our friends at Bright Side of the Sun will tell you, the Suns are unquantifiable. We've never seen this version of the team before, and we don't know what they are capable of.
But unquantifiable does not equate to unstoppable. The Lakers are so, so much better than any team the Suns have faced (the opposite is also true, for what it's worth. Utah and OKC can't hold a candle to PHX either). And that's how it should be. Thanks to two relatively surprising upsets in the 1st round, neither of these teams have even played somebody from the top half of the bracket until now.
We may not know what Phoenix is capable of, but we do know what the Lakers are capable of. They have the capacity to play tremendous defense. In the half court, they have one of the top defenses in the league. In this area, the difference between the Suns and Lakers is night and day, or day and night if you prefer not get your metaphors crossed. Even with Phoenix's defensive "improvement", their defense just isn't on the same level.
Until recently, you could say the same thing for the offense. Before the playoffs, the Suns offense was probably better than the Lakers offense by a larger margin than the Lakers defense was better than the Suns defense. Now? Not so much. The Lakers offense still can't hold a candle to what the Suns can do on that side of the ball. But the Lakers offense is looking better than it has at any point during the regular season. The combination of a top 3 defense and a top 6 offense should be enough to handle a top 1 offense with a top 15 defense.
I don't think home court means a whole lot in this series. Neither team plays for the foul that much, so the officiating is less important than we've seen in other series. Phoenix's crowd doesn't suck, but it can't compare to where the Lakers have come from. And Phoenix is just as capable of getting super hot at Staples as they are of doing so in PHX. I expect the first 4 games to split in some fashion, and the Lakers will take care of business in games 5 and 6, closing it out on the road. If you think that's crazy, the Lakers 9-1 record in close out opportunities over the past 3 years says your wrong.
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Wow, 8 votes for the Suns?
I see my fellow Laker fans aren’t awake yet.
"Derek Fisher should not be allowed to shoot from anywhere unless the shot clock has fewer than one second on it" - Kelly Dwyer
They're infiltrators
From other blogs.
That’s my guess.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
First Pho fan that says “don’t underestimate us, we’re not the same team” in 5..4…3…2…1…
"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules
There is hate and there is "get the fuck out of my way, I've got a parade to get to" - Cool Dudes on May 12, 2010 10:11 PM PDT
http://twitter.com/KBZinLA
I thought I handled that part already
Just because they aren’t the same team doesn’t mean they won’t lose
Grant Hill will SHUT DOWN Kobe!!!!
I know cause I just read it over at Bright Side of the Sun. Must be true.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Haha that's alright 'cause Fish is going to own Nash...
It is obviously going to come down to Fish vs. Hill.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 17, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
lol yea and phx will win in 5. that must be true also cause thats what there saying!!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on May 17, 2010 10:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
what are you talking about...lebron and 4 other guys already won the whole thing
he went off for 200 pts on 50 for 10 shooting and1.5 billion rebounds
"I did not write this" by Not me
by 2NASHTY on May 17, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is an excellent point.
Not too mention all of 1.5 billion rebounds were offensive since he blocked every single shot by the opposition.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
here's how i see it
fisher < nash
kobe > hill
artest > richardson (barely)
gasol = stoudemire
bynum > lopez/hollins
laker bench < suns bench
so unless nash singlehandedly carries the suns, the lakers should be fine.
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
that's a nice, concise way of looking at it
but the “Bench” category, covering multiple players, needs to broken up into individual matchups to keep the dynamics of your <→ model intact. I think it’s the only area of real concern for the Lakers. I’ve seen PHX 2nd unit totally change the flow and energy of games, like the Bench Mob (remember them?) used to. But they seem to do it on a more consistent basis, and with positive contributions from more players. If our bench steps up to be something more than a liability, or a zero-sum effect, Los Laguneros will take this series easily. If not, some nails could be bitten before the desert dwellers are eclipsed.
My biggest concern is how the long layoff will affect The Lakers.
(Yes, I realize it will affect both teams.) I think the 1st game is the Suns’ best chance to steal one in L A. And it would not surprise me if they win one in Phx. That is why I am picking the Lakers in 6.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
the long layoff should benefit the lakers, if anything
considering all the injuries they’re dealing with. while there might be some rust in the first game, lakers should be sharp all series long.
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
I would think any rust experienced by a long layoff would only benefit the superior defensive team.
I think when people are being funny, they are actually being serious and when people are being serious, it's actually really funny.
by Rich Langford on May 17, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
technically 2Nashty...
(We) as fan underestimate the Suns. Im pretty sure the (Lakers) dont. The game still has to be played. If you think this is bad check back here (if) we win…we may start comparing Phx to hot garbage.
by Kobe Won Kenobi on May 17, 2010 10:47 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I garentee
kobe will come out ready to battle…a coworker of mine was saying how grant is a lot better then he gets cred for and he can slow kobe down. i warned him that kobe dosen’t care what pundits say and he’s going to go out and take it to grant with all hes got…should be a good match up.
"I did not write this" by Not me
I'm worried about Kobe's knee
Had fluid drained on his knee and isn’t 100 percent. Can anyone please tell me why I shouldn’t feel too worried about Kobe?
him and PJ are giving the suns a false sense of security...
kinda like how phil was commenting on nash carrying the ball. its all mind games.
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
he asks for a reason not to feel worried...
i give him one. personally, i think kobe’s knee is the end of the world :)
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
Kobe Bryant improves his shooting percentile by 5% with 3 or more days of rest.
He averaged 23.5 ppg against Oklahoma
He averaged 32.0 ppg against Utah, with a higher assist total
His knee isn’t showing signs of him slowing down, how much pain he experiences is anyone’s guess. You’re concerns are valid, yet very neophyte. Anyone who has watched the Lakers and Kobe’s evolution knows he’s got a pain threshold like no Basketball player we’ve ever seen.
by rickfox on May 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm not concerned about pain threashold
i’m concerned about the knee joint itself and more of the long term effects. if the joint is damaged to a certain point beyond repair, it’s not a matter of pain threashold but a matter of function.
let's not forget that this is a guy who is very smart
Maybe no player in history has ever been as conscious of the physical side of basketball as is Kobe.
Even with all the miles on him, he’s probably in better shape than most guys five years younger. I suspect that he knows as much about knee joints as any orthopedist. Probably fingers and ankles, too.
Call him anything you want, but this is a smart man who studies and calculates everything.
That doesn’t mean that he won’t eventually succumb to an injury, or that his knee won’t spell a decline or even end his career. It just means that he very likely knows as much about this as any human could and will get the maximum out of his body.
Aside from hoops I just hope the guy doesn’t get hurt to the point where it affects his post-NBA life. He’ll want to run around with his grandchildren one of these days, and it would be nice if his knees allow it.
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
being smart and having your body fail on you are two different things
no doubt kobe is in shape…but a joint injury & arthritis isn’t something "in shape’ can cure.
I’m sure kobe will maximize what his knee can give him, but i’m worried on what his knee is actually willing to give him. Proper therapy and treatment can only slow down the rate that it gets damaged, but no one knows how “slow” it will be.
and...nobody knows the true condition of the knee
except him and his doctor.
This is a guy who will milk everything his body can give. By the same token, when the day comes that he realizes he can no longer dominate, I think he’ll just walk away from the game.
Maybe that’s a year, or three.
Bottom line, I hope we all appreciate what we’ve been a witness to, because he’ll be gone sooner than we’d like.
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
better appreciate him while we still can
(though, not to sound unappreciative or anything, but if he does fall earlier than we like…that contract is going to kill us)
I hear ya.
so much can happen in three seasons, especially with an athlete with as many games under his belt as Kobe.
Three "experts" at ESPN pick the Suns.
We have HCA, we’ve got the bigger front line, we’re playing our best basketball of the year, our defense has been great, it looks like Kobe is hitting his stride, Pau is an animal, and we owned this team in the regular season.
I’m worried about Bynum though.
They don’t have an answer, let alone even a question, for AmmoShaw.
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
John Hollinger picked against the Lakers in '09 WCF against Denver
He also picked against the Lakers in ’10 against the Suns.
I’m sure he also picked against them in ’08 against the Spurs
Whatever his reasoning, it’s a pattern he picks agains the Lakers. Anyone who asks him why, he will contend he thinks the Spurs, Suns or Denver is better. Just his opinion.
As a Mathematician, I can tell you, Prognostication eventually gets one upped by probability and variables.
by rickfox on May 17, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure he picked Spurs in 08?
And for the record he picked Lakers over Celtics in 08
by dontTradeAaronNelson! on May 17, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
he relies on a lot of point differential stats and etc in his predictions
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Doesn't seem to be working for him lately
Bye Cavs!
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
The same batch of skewed writers and stats nerds always do.
For some reason they forget that the NBA isn’t a video game, a playoff predictor or played on paper. This is the same guys who had the Cavs locked in despite everything common sense and history tell them.
Ok. So giving the Lakers a 70% chance of winning is not enough for you.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 17, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Nash doesn't carry the ball
he uses his jedi powers to will the ball in impossible motions
"I did not write this" by Not me
Lakers in 6
I see it happening the same way the OKC series went down. Both teams protect their home court to even the sries at 2-2. Even, at the possibility of the Suns stealing one in LA – I see the Lakers playin a little harder and stealing one in PHX. Lakers close it out by winning game 5 at home and game 6 on the road.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I'm a little bummed today
Hearing that Kobe had his knee drained is horrible news, long-term … at least the season is almost over, because rest is what he needs …
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
No it won't, but draining is only a temporary fix
The only fix is to stop (for an extended period) what’s causing it, namely, playing basketball.
MJ started draining his knee repeatedly his last season with Wiz, which is what ultimately ended his season, because you just keep grinding your joint down
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gil Meriken on May 17, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I really hope he doesn't play this summer
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
yea. i'm more worried about the long term effects of his knee rather than just this year
if his knee keeps acting up like that, he’s not going to last till he’s 35…
Yeah I know
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
I'm pretty sure he's skipping Worlds
Between the surgery on his finger and whatever needs to be done to rest his knee, I doubt he’ll be ready in time for Worlds. Much better reason to skip Worlds than making a movie. :)
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Here's the excerpt I was looking for
From Micheal Leahy’s book (via Truehoop)
“There was only the illusion of a remedy,” writes Michael Leahy in his book about Jordan’s return, “When Nothing Else Matters.” “After the draining of the knee, Jordan could move again. But the tendon remained inflamed — a draining did nothing for inflammation. If he did not rest, the pain would be coming back, along with more inflammation, more swelling, a nastier case of restricted movement and a heightened chance for another injury.”
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
he better not
hopefully Buss included some clause in his new contract that he cant play any basketball over the summer. the guy has some serious mileage on his body, 14 seasons of NBA basketball and practically 2 more seasons with all the playoff games hes played as well.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
artest
i thought he was gonna have a difficult playoffs gaurding Durant first series, carmello second series, and ginobili 3rd series and lebron in the finals….
instead he went durant, cj miles, jason richardson, and pierce or vince… not exactly what i thought it was gonna be….
he got it easy this playoffs
I think he fulfilled his contract and then some by slowing down Durant
Hard to ask any more than that.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
except for a total lockdown
on Paul Pierce. Yeah, I’m getting ahead of things here, but I WANT the Celtics. And i really want Ron-Ron to make The Truth hurt.
Won't take much effort
Pierce has lost so much on the offensive end I’m not sure Artest will even need to focus.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
teams that win it all
are usually very good and a good helping of lucky. It seems as though a path has been cleared for our boys…
Hey all
I actually have a better feeling that my boys will take game one than the series. No real numbers to back that up. It is just a gut thing. However, I think that the road team wins game 1 more often than game 2. Again, no numbers, just what I have noticed. I guess it is the fiesty underdog thing, and that usually cools off by game 2. I have to predict a Suns win, because I am a phoenix fan, but it is going to be tough.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 17, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
Game 1 is huge
hope the Lakers blow em out too because I gotta be at a job interview at 8! :(
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
after ten freakin days of anticipation.
I kinda feel like a blow out either way would be a let down…
"I did not write this" by Not me
oh boy!!!, game 2 is on wednesday and then game 3 on sunday,
you gotta be kidding me, even though is good for kobe to rest
To nitpick a bit on you Gil
NO actually plays at a fairly glacial pace; they’ve finished 26th, 28th, and 15th in pace the last three seasons, with the latter mark only higher because Collison pushes the tempo much more than Paul and was given the great light to do so by Bower. Basically all of NO’s offense is predicated off Paul on the pick-and-roll, and honestly, he’s a better scorer than Nash off it courtesy of his floater.
Predictions look good otherwise.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Gils prediction = invalid
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I'm looking for Kobe on Nash
in certain, crucial spans. Unleash The Koberman in key moments, and take away Nasty’s favorite angles, close out hard on his threes, and simply clamp down on his one-footed floaters. For 2-5 minutes at a time, I think it could be devastating to PHX’s offensive flow…
I say only
if Nash is scoring or getting into the lane at will. Kobe keeps J.Rich down pretty nicely. If that’s not working for us, then switch him onto Nash.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
I'd rather have Brown defend Nash, rather than exerting my best player who just had his knee drained
by rickfox on May 17, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
agreed.
I’m thinking of the Kobe-on-Nash thing as a momentum changer, either to stem the tide of a PHX run, or to throw a total haymaker if we’re rolling. Hopefully, it won’t be an issue, if Fisher, Brown, and Farmar keep Nash reasonably under control. But as a game changer, it could be an interesting switch. Plus, I love seeing Kobe in his stopper Koberman mode. Speaking of knees, anybody have any fresh dope on Bynum’s?
Umm
OKC and Utah aren’t exactly second-tier to the Suns. Utah tied the season series 2-2 and played them well until they started getting the injury bug. The Thunder won the season series 2-1, including a win post-all star break and the loss was by two points after the Thunder gave up a 10-pt lead late. People keep talking down the Thunder as if they were some team lucky to be in the playoffs. They earned their way into the playoffs and even when they were struggling, defensively, towards the end of the season they still beat the Suns. The Suns have more firepower, but all we have to do is shut down the wings. Amare can’t outplay every one of our players by himself. We can take blows from Nash and Amare as long as we don’t let Dudley or JRich and co get hot from the outside. I don’t see them winning more than two games in this series. They’ll have their hot shooting games, but I don’t see it extending throughout the series. Our defense should be able to stifle their offense, especially since Phil will more than likely play Odom more with Bynum hurt, which is actually to our advantage on both sides of the floor. I’d rather watch Amare and Pau go at it than us try to hedge and double and get killed on the wings and I think thats how we’ll win.
that's pretty right on....
Add in making Amar’e more of mid range jumpshooter, and that’s the recipe for a Laker series win.
Lake in 5 also...
Shimmiddy rock-a-hot diggity..whats the iggity..the bum skiggity.
Ooppss..my bad was listening to Das-EFX!!!!
by Kobe Won Kenobi on May 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
this just in
shaq spending his off season time effectively
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1935892
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Scary thing is those puppets are surgically attached to his butt.
Same way he is to potential title contenders.
Phoenix will not be allowed to make this a track meet
Well, a lot has been made of the Sun’s 50+% from three. If they can do that against the Lakers, they’ll probably win the series. That said, it’s highly unlikely. While I think the Lakers are lax on closing out on threes, the stats show otherwise — that they are the best in the league at defending them.
The Suns bench can beat our bench, but they won’t be playing exclusively against our bench; they’ll also face off with some of our starters and they’ll have the same problems with that as their starters will.
We don’t know if Bynum will have any impact at all in this series but we do know that Gasol and Odom will. Phoenix has no answer for either. If Bynum does get his fair share of minutes, then he’ll still be a problem for the Suns, even on one leg.
Lastly, if Kobe’s knee cooperates, what on Earth is Hill going to do with him? Kobe will obliterate anybody that Phoenix has on him.
All this bravado that the Suns all of a sudden have a good defense — and some of their fans say it’s a great D — is silly. In this series the Lakers will get anything they want, just as they did during the regular season. If they shoot their normal percentages, the Lakers win.
I said Lakers in 5 at the outset. If Bynum is no factor at all, I’ll take L.A. in 6.
The only way the Suns win this series is if Kobe’s knee or something else gives out.
My personal guess is that Odom plays the series of his life, and that the combo of him, Gasol, and Kobe make the eventual outcome clear right off the bat.
You have to understand from the years of Dantoni that any D for us is great D. We are not comparing ourselves with the old Spurs teams or Boston's championship team. Just our recent teams
by Suns Fan For Life on May 17, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
the spurs and blazer both slowed PHX down
and they still lost, besides if kobe goes off we’ll sick gorin “23 point 4th quarter” dragic on you’
"I did not write this" by Not me
This is unintentionally hilarious
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Michael Wilbon thinks the Suns are going to win this series
He just said on PTI
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
Since I've always entrusted all of my life's critical decisions to Wilbon...
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just relaying what he said...
It might be of some interest to people on here…
What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?
Nothing against Wilbon...
I just don’t get worked up when the pundits go with us or against us.
Almost everybody is picking the Lakers, in five or six.
I couldn’t care less what they say. I just want to play the games.
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Forget Wilbon, can somebody promise Charles Barkley has botulism and can't talk anymore
by rickfox on May 17, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
thats turrible........
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
that was among his most unmemorable moments...disgusting.
by rickfox on May 17, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I've loved them for long time,
but the Barkley, Kenny Smith/Ernie Johnson trio is getting a bit old…. And someone please take Marv Albert far, far away from anything resembling a microphone. Damn, I miss Chick
Somebody tie Craig Sager to a train!!!!!!!!
His jelly-roll legs really disturbed me.
by rickfox on May 17, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
What, and deprive Kobe of his favorite interviewer???
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I want a replay
of KG telling Sager “burn that suit. No. Really, I’m serious. Burn that suit.” priceless…
Phoenixs' best isn't enough
Phoenix needs the 3pt shot to fall in order to defeat the Lakers, however the Lakers lead the league in defending the 3pt shot. We just defended the best pg in the league pretty well with D. Fish and I see D. Fish defending Nash this whole series. Let Artest guard J. Rich and give him the Durant treatment as this season J. Rich is the barometer for the success of Phoenix, when he doesn’t play well they lose.
Frye can stretch the defense but when he comes into the game, we bring in LO and unlike LO, Frye doesn’t want to go into the paint, he won’t take you off the dribble and isn’t a great defender, here’s to LO having a great series. As for the benches, yes Phoenix has a ridiculous advantage…but when in the playoffs will you see the Lakers play their entire bench? Never right? You’ll see an 8 man rotation and at least 2 starters in the bench at all times. Lakers in 5 as Phoenix will bound to shoot the lights out in game 3 at home.
plus, LO is hardly a "bench" player
if bynum can manage his pain, we’ll have 2 “starter level” big men at all times.
if Bynum is mobile and active
I would love to see a huge dose of the hi-lo, pinch post/low block set with any combo of the 3 Laker bigs. Soft interior passes leading to Dunk-o-Rama.
My thoughts pretty much!
Sure: PHX have some advantages on match-ups when they have the ball…
But I can’t see a single advantage for them when they are defending.
Not.
A.
Single.
One.
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Dear Phoenix,
Tonight’s Game 1 might as well be Game 7 for you. Do we even need to pull out a certain 46-0 stat? J-Rich better play like he has fire ants in his shorts instead of dropping the stinkers he’s laid against the Lakers this year.
This isn’t NBA Jam, you’ll need more than Amare and Nash to get you to the Finals.
nice reference, NBA JAM is now going to be 3 on 3.
by rickfox on May 17, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
wait for it....
we can go ten deep and none of those ten are named Luke Walten.
I predict many shocked looking laker fans when guys you probably
nerver heard of start torching your boys…should be fun
heres to the start of an exciting injury free(hopefully) series.
"I did not write this" by Not me
and good luck to you.
always nice to riff with a fan from another team that doesn’t spew bile. Enjoy the games, 2NASHTY!
we are ladders
and we stay within 5 feet
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey LakersForDeuce
I know you were spot on last time, but still…that Lakers Magic preview is in some doubt right now. I know it’s gone now, but still…you did write it.
You're right...Celtics look pretty good
If the Lakers get there I think it’ll be a bruising series, if indeed the Celts come out of the East.
This is where the true value of Artest will be needed. He’ll have to take out Pierce.
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
pierce is no longer the biggest threat
rondo is. he’s killing it even without a jumper. pierce is becomming more of a spot up shooter these days. even ray allen is getting to the hoop more than pierce these days.
Just make sure you're around post game...
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
No kidding? I guess only 15 teams will get to be in the game...
of the other 15 – 13 don’t have three players who are game worthy and the Warriors and Blazers only have two healthy guys to put on the floor.
Hey laker fans
I’m out for the day gotta find i good place to watxh the game….thanks fo tolorating a suns fan poken around your site
"I did not write this" by Not me
Ocean man, greetings. Are you ready for conversion to Lakers fandom?
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
LakersForDeuce.
All of you. You’ve been ever so welcoming and inviting. Your blog is so enticing, with the diversity of fans visiting it. I admit, sometimes giving into the purple and gold allure is hard to resist.
But put yourself in my shoes. Pretend you’re a Cavs fan. And I mean a REAL Cavs fan, not a bandwagon LeBron fan. Imagine spending years rooting for a team with no championships in a city that gets made fun of day after day and boasted no championships for almost 50 years.
Wouldn’t you feel guilty switching to a team with 15 NBA titles and a star-studded past living in glamorous Los Angeles? Not to mention the fact that the Lakers are the defending champs. And that there are no Cavs fans where I live, but there are Laker fans all over the world. Wouldn’t you feel like a bandwagon fan for doing something like that? That’s the biggest part of what’s been keeping me from rooting for the Lakers this year. When they weren’t the best team in the NBA a few years ago, it was much easier.
The Lakers and the Cavs are just too different. With the Suns, I’m still rooting for a team with no championship titles. And in general, it’s just easier for me to root for underdogs. I’m sorry LakersForDeuce. I like you guys, I like this site, but I gotta pull for the Suns.
I know exactly what you mean
outside of the lakers and the NBA, i ALWAYS root for the underdog, no matter what. it’s simply more thrilling to see a cinderella team/player make it than the team/player that is supposed to win.
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
good post
I have always rooted for Cleveland teams, except for the Cavs after they got Lebron and Lebron got all that hype. I’ll still root for Cleveland teams (if Lebron leaves) against any team other than my California teams – Lakers, Niners, and A’s.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
BTW, let LeEgo go, you're better off without him
He’s more interested in stardom, becoming a marketing mogul, and hanging with the powers that be.
You need somebody that just a championshipwants to win basketball games.
No, check that — somebody that HAS to win a championship.
That’s a Russell, Jordan, Magic, Bird, and Kobe.
Look, one’s work ought to be fourth behind God, family, and other people. The question for Lebron is whether BB is fourth, or is it his marketing agency, or one of his many other business deals.
It would be devastating at first, but Cleveland would rebuild.
As it is, should any player be allowed to hold a team, or city, hostage the way this guy has?
I’ve met people from Cleveland; good, solid folks. I know this whole scenario just doesn’t sit right with many of them. Sure, they want to win. But, there’s a right way to do it and I think more and more people there are getting tired of Lebron’s act.
Just sayin…
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You know,
Since we’ve been eliminated, I’ve finally started to see why people are so resentful of LeBron. Woj was so right: Cleveland’s treated LeBron like a god, putting up a giant poster of him on a building and everything. Has that ever been done for Hakeem Olajuwan or David Robinson? And what does the city get in return? They get to watch LeBron constantly flirt with other cities.
And I am really getting sick of hearing about LeBron on ESPN. How about some fucking articles on where the CAVS should go from here, you marionettes?
to tell the truth
I’m an Angels and Dodgers fan but I’d gladly give one up to see the Indians win one…but only if they beat the crap out of the Red Sox and Yankees in the process.
I think the movie Major League made a lot of people sympathetic to Cleveland. You guys, having to put up with Lebron, would only add to that.
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Bid respect for you Wave, that's not easy to type I bet.
It’ll be a great day for Cavs fans when the unconditional lackeys (Witlesses) can come to terms like you have.
I would hope so
been tired of it for years now. Who thinks he’s going to Chicago with Phil Jackson and Rue Paul?
Magic made me a Laker fan.
it's the most basic, completely honest sport there is...
well, er, except for the drugs, stealing signals, doctoring baseballs, and stuff like that.
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's a product of another era,
when things in America were slower and simpler. But the combination of ridiculous detail and arcana, moments of sheer brilliance balanced with long, easy stretches, individual match-ups combined with team play, and a sport that’s more about skill sets than overall athleticism, make it appealing.
baseball's relaxing
at the ballpark or on the radio. it’s a slice of americana, a game invented in america, just like basketball.
statgeeks love it. beer and hot dogs taste good there. it can be dangerous if you’re sitting in foul territory to the right of the batter, so you have to pay attention. you can take home a souvenir if you catch a ball.
what i don’t get is america’s fascination with yankee’s/red sox.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
The suns have to win 1 of the first two games to have any chance
The lakers aren’t going to let anyone sneak out of staples with a game 5 win the way we did
tough to do that with Kobe and/or Artest on your back
by LakersForDeuce on May 17, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe he'll play so poorly in the first half that artest gets bored
and then he’ll sneak in the 3’s while ron is daydreaming from boredom
I don't think even Artest will get bored tonight
Lakers out to be focused, and smokin’.
I'd just like to point out
that I totally predicted this thread in my fanpost 1 week ago except for C.A. picking the Lakers in SIX (WTF DEWD??). Down to the poll results and everything.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Interestingly enough...
I say a PHX blog pointing to their biggest advantage as “unbridled enthusiasm”.
Really?
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
From Bradford Doolittle at Basketball Prospectus
Scott Foster, Jason Phillips and Greg Willard will work tonight’s Lakers-Suns game. As a group, they’re about average in frequency of foul calls.
http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1134
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
If the average fan has never heard of them
That’s good
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
i almost hope
the suns can put up a big challenge for the lakers to mentally prepare them for the celtics/magic. look at what the thunder did to the lakers. fired them up for a sweep of utah. i’d be content with lakers in 6.
LOL at the front page poll at www.nba.com
“Who is your A-Team playoff point guard?”
A. Rajon Rondo
B. Steve Nash
C. Jameer Nelson
D. Derek Fisher
at the moment, rondo has the most votes while fisher is ahead of nelson.
If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.
To me
Bynum is the key to how many games this series goes, if he is Bynum of old getting double-doubles right along side Gasol then Lakers wrap this up in 4 but if he can’t banged each night and has to sit then I say 6 in favor of Lakers. However Lakers want to do it, this is their series to lose, Lakers have all the advantages just like the Utah series so too small = too easy = Lakers move on and I’m ready to see some action, it’s been long enough
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
the only thing i'm afraid of in an "easy" series is that they somehow forget to play "hard" later on
and if they go on to the finals against boston/olrando, they’ll forget how it feels to play against good defenses.
true
that can bite the Lakers, they do need a test like OKC did to remind them to grind it out for wins, hopefully Suns can provide alittle fight but I think Lakers came to far to not have fire to get another ring and repeat and especially if they meet Boston, Lakers will want revenge BIG TIME
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Recognizing an," All Time Great"
I caught Kobe’s games when he was in High School and knew that he was special. How special -I’m now realizing that he is probably one of the ten greatest players ever. As far as these playoffs there’s not much to say about the Suns, the Suns are the Suns are the Suns. Enough about them.
Boston is another story; they’re seasoned, healthy and man do they hack. Could be some extra physical activity if Boston gets by the Magic (iffy).
If Kobe stays healthy the Lakers should win it all.
Arthur Di Tullio

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