SSR Positional Previews: WCF Special Edition
So, time for yet another round of the now surely world-famous Silver Screen and Roll Positional Previews. Except, this isn't just any positional preview, these are the Western Conference Finals SPECIAL EDITION!!! What does that mean, exactly? In short, nothing, except that instead of Utah or Oklahoma City, the opposition in this series are the Phoenix Suns (heathen barbarians they are). In long? Once again, nothing really, except I just may be weaving in an extra-thick layer of crazy into this sexy silk tapestry of an article.
I really wish I had the pro web design skills to run a positional preview like the brilliant fellows at SBNation resident Spurs Blog, Pounding The Rock, but alas, I am simply not skilled enough. Also, the fact that I don't have an extended offseason to learn new things in like PTR has (sorry, Spurs fans, just didn't feel right to pay a compliment without an attached dig =]] ) may play a role. As such, this shall simply follow a similar format to my prior previews. Except, it will be better, somehow, as apparently the world is now watching the Lakers and all associated with them closer than ever (really, is it physically possible to get any closer?).
Well, enough sycophantic preamble, actual position-by-position preview of the NBA Western Conference Finals between the Los Angeles Lakers of California and the Phoenix Suns of Arizona, after the jump (so... many... proper nouns...).
Well, this series is an anomaly in the NBA in that both teams are, for the most part, healthy. Sasha Vujacic is reported to be returning from his ankle injury in Game 1, and Robin Lopez's back should be healthy enough for him to start Game 1, as reported by ESPN. With these two back, neither team is missing any player likely to receive minutes, and thus there are no excuses for either team. Some players are playing through injury, such as Steve Nash, Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom and Kobe Bryant, and some are recovering, but all are able to dress and step onto the court.
The Lakers have a size advantage over the Suns, as they do over seemingly every team in this League. The Suns' starting frontline consists of the 6'10, 250lb Amare Stoudemire and the 7'0, 255lb Lopez, which is slightly above average in terms of size compared to the league norm, but still smaller than the Lakers. It goes without saying, Los Angeles should exploit this.
The key position the Lakers need to key in on in this series is, quite painfully obviously, point guard. The Suns start the wizened yet still ridiculously effective Steve Nash, one of the premier point guards in this League, or so I've been told; whilst we start the indeterminably intangible Derek Fisher. While Derek Fisher's level of play has, as per usual, stepped up in the playoffs, there is simply no way he can compensate for his age and lack of speed on defense, and thus the Lakers must make a concerted team effort to limit Nash's effectiveness without giving up the three.
Anyways, on to position-by-position:
CENTER: Andrew Bynum vs Robin Lopez
This matchup all depends on which Andrew Bynum we see. Andrew Bynum before and directly after his injury was beasting it, putting up double-doubles and throwing down nasty dunks. However, in his last two games, Drew seemed a bit out of it. Whether it was entirely the knee, or if he was just having trouble focusing, nobody but him knows, but it is certainly troubling that he claimed to 'not even remember playing' in Game 3 last series. Evidently, the pain has the tendency to disconcert him at times. If Bynum does play as he was in the first two games of the Utah series, this is a matchup Los Angeles wins. Robin Lopez is a young big man, and Game 1 will be his first taste of playoff action due to his back injury holding him out of the first two rounds. Andrew Bynum has advantages in experience, skill, athleticism, and size. Only his injury can hold him back here, otherwise he should work to exploit this matchup. When Lopez goes to the bench, Andrew may be taken out of his comfort zone and have to defend Channing Frye out on the perimeter, but Phil is a smart coach and will most likely manage his already-limited minutes so that his time on Frye is minimized, and switch Drew onto Amare from time-to-time to try and bother Stoudemire with Andrew's size. It's worked at some times during the regular season series, and hasn't worked at other times. We'll have to wait and see how this strategy fares in the playoffs, if indeed Phil uses it.
POWER FORWARD: Pau Gasol vs. Amare Stoudemire
Well, Pau Gasol needs no introduction. After some criticism earlier on in the season for milking time off from his hamstring injuries, and then slumping soon after that, Pau has found the right time to peak. He has been absolutely dominant to the tune of 20 and 13 over the playoffs - those are Dwight Howard-esque numbers, people; and is one of the hottest players in the league right now, having averaged 23.5/14.5/2.75 against Utah on 60% from the field and 87% from the line (did I miss the memo that we traded for Hakeem Olajuwon?). However, in Amare, he meets one of the few bigs who are truly playing to superstar calibre. Amare hasn't been playing as well as Pau, but he'll certainly be a tougher matchup than Carlos Boozer or Jeff Green. His numbers have oddly dropped significantly during the Playoffs, to 20.5/7 on 51% shooting as opposed to 23/9 on 54% shooting in the regular season, but he still poses a challenge with his quickness and athleticism. Amare is one end of the Suns' deadliest half-court offensive weapon, the Nash-Stoudemire pick-and-roll, and Pau Gasol's ability to show and recover will have a great influence on Los Angeles' ability to contain the Phoenix point-production machine. Offensively, Pau still has a pretty major size advantage on Amare, and can take him to the low block for points, tiring him out in the process. Pau's size also negates most of the effectiveness Amare would have in the low post, relegating him to an off-ball finisher, midrange shooter and a part of the aforementioned pick-and-roll.
SMALL FORWARD: Ron Artest vs. Grant Hill and SHOOTING GUARD: Kobe Bryant vs. Jason Richardson
Most Suns fans will be quick to bring up Grant Hill's emergence as a defensive force as the prime reason for their significantly improved defense, and any Lakers fan will immediately recognise Ron's role as the Lakers' defensive stopper, signed specifically to shut down star opposing wings. While Richardson isn't a star, he's certainly been playing like one of late, putting up 22 and 6 off 51% from the field and a murderous 52% from deep through the playoffs. Similarly, Grant Hill isn't a true defensive specialist in the mold of Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier or Thabo Sefolosha, but he's the best the Suns got, and one would assume they'd rather not tire out their offensive star JRich by enlisting him to defend Kobe (who's apparently putting quite a few points on the board himself). As such, it's logical to assume that these two matchups will switch, and this preview shall work off this assumption.
WING 1: Ron Artest vs. Jason Richardson
Jason Richardson is averaging 21.9 points per game in the Playoffs. 10.2 of them come from his 3.4 made threes a game. Therefore, the key to defending him is simple, RUN HIM OFF THE LINE. Don't ever let him get his feet set, or catch in rhythm. Don't lose him on screens, don't even give him an inch. Avoid helping off him whenever possible. Stick with him. If by some bizarre fail, he ever ends up with the ball in his hands behind the arc and no defender on him, everyone within 8 metres run at him. The 6.6 threes he's attempting a game are netting him 10.2 points, whilst the 8.5 two-pointers he takes a game are only gaining him 8.6 points. He doesn't get to the line too often, only 4 times a game, so that's not too much of an issue. The key is simply not letting him get threes. Kobe has a tendency to roam and play 'free safety', while Artest has been occasionally criticised over his career for overplaying on his man to the detriment of the team defensive scheme. In this case, Ron is definitely the way to go defensively against JRich. Offensively, Ron has a pretty significant size advantage on Richardson, to the tone of an inch and 30 pounds or more, and should continue to look to post up through the offense, tiring Richardson in the process.
WING 2: Kobe Bryant vs. Grant Hill
Grant Hill, suddenly a defensive specialist? I mean, this guy is 37, yeah? It's one thing to defend Manu Ginobli, who is a crafty and deceptive scorer; but another completely to defend Kobe Bryant, a transcendent offensive player and a superior physical specimen. Grant Hill possesses a rather significant size advantage over Kobe, a full two inches, and thus the correspondent length/wingspan/whateverthefashionabletermisthesedays. However, Kobe has an undeniable speed advantage over Hill, the boon of having 6 years' of youth on Hill. Hill may be a wily veteran and less likely to fall for Kobe's fakes as most defenders, but Kobe has made a career out of being able to score even with whole team defensive schemes geared to stop him, and as such Grant Hill, while being able to limit him, will not be able to do any more than the likes of a Shane Battier or Ron Artest, at best. Defensively, Kobe will likely be faced with a few post-ups, giving up size as he does to Hill, but Hill is not a focal point of the Phoenix offense and thus shouldn't work Kobe too hard on this end. Hill, a subpar sniper from deep over his career, possessed a highly unusual 44% mark from deep for the regular season, but is yet to hit a three these playoffs. I see free safety from Kobe. It pains me, but in this case is somewhat understandable.
POINT GUARD: Derek Fisher vs. Steve Nash
Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. Ew. Ew, ew, EW. Now that I've gotten that out of my system, let's continue. Derek Fisher's offensive production has gone up through these playoffs - particularly of note is his jump in three-point percentage -and Steve Nash is a sieve on defense so there's no reason to believe this disappears. But it's on the other end that Fish is still phenomenally, woefully subpar and Nash phenomenally, unbelievably great. Fisher's lack of speed is simply impossible to overcome, and always puts the Lakers on the back foot in having to center their defensive game plan around how to stop guard penetration. Nash, meanwhile, is and has been the orchestrator of the greatest point-scoring machine of this decade, and even at age 36 shows no signs of letting up. He's still one of the top-3 point guards in this league, and will undoubtedly tear Fisher up, driving into the seams of the Los Angeles defense to either score or scramble them so much that a teammate is left wide open for one of Nash's masterful passes. Nash's distribution of production has somewhat shifted from the regular season to the postseason, as he is now being more aggressive, scoring more and passing less, thus garnering more points and sacrificing assists. His regular season numbers were 16.5/11, whilst his playoff numbers are 17.8/9. Expect the best of both worlds in this series, considering who's defending him.
Still, maybe old man Fisher's intangibles cause Nash to choke. Maybe.
BENCH: Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns
The Lakers' Bench, led by sixth man Lamar Odom, is a wildly inconsistent bunch. The Suns' bench is the best in these playoffs. I'm sure you've all heard that. Leandro Barbosa has been a staple of this league for years, and contended for the Sixth Man of the Year award on several occasions, winning it in '07. Channing Frye's emergence with the Suns and his proficiency as a three-point shooter was a topic of many a discussion earlier on in the season. Louis Amundson is simply a hard-nosed player, even if his effectiveness has been minimal through these playoffs. Jared Dudley is a decent player and can be deadly from three at times. And Goran Dragic... well, Doc Funk said it best. Every single one of them is better at their position than our counterpart except the big men - both Channing Frye and Louis Amundson combined are still less than Lamar Odom. Other than that, Barbosa > Brown, Dragic > Farmar, Dudley > Walton or Sasha. Sometimes, the Lakers bench can magically play as a unit, and resemble the feared Bench Mob of old. When they do so, they are superior to the Phoenix bench. But does that happen often? About as often as Goran Dragic dropping 23 points in a half. Often, a single bench player or two will heat up whilst playing with the starters, and give an unexpected boost. When that happens, that can somewhat balance the difference in play of the benches, but even that is far from a certainty.
Coach: Phil Jackson vs. Alvin Gentry
Over the years, Phil's had a lot of experience playing against the SSoL offense, and as such has strategies he can implement against it more effective than most. Essentially, his core strategy is to pound it inside. Not only does this exploit the Lakers' size advantage, but it allows for fewer long rebounds that can spark a fast break. Defensively, he has to trust everyone else to cover their matchup and simply focus on a game plan to limit Nash, the only true positional advantage the Suns possess. The Suns actually play some defense, these days, so some offensive execution would be nice. Phil's had a history of being able to trouble Mike D'Antoni teams, even back when the Lakers, aside from Kobe, has less talent than Dwayne Wade's supporting cast. Alvin Gentry is Mike D'Antoni's student, and the Lakers now have the talent advantage. Thus, in theory, this should be a clear-cut matchup. Phil's only true challenge is how to rest the starters without allowing the bench to wreak total havoc.
CONCLUSION:
In the end, there's little to support SBNation Resident Phoenix Suns blog Bright Side Of The Sun's view that the Suns will win in 6. The only position they hold a true advantage at is Point Guard, and Steve Nash alone cannot win them the series. Jason Richardson is scoring like mad, but it's not exactly off a series of thrilling moves and midrange shots, but rather just that he's caught on fire from deep, and Ron Artest seems ripe to give him a reality check after the boring matchup of C.J Miles. Amare Stoudemire is gonna pose as the first real challenge to Pau Gasol in a while, but Pau Gasol is bigger and simply has far more skills and moves. As long as Pau can successfully show and recover on the screen-and-roll, that's taken care of. Grant Hill, good luck to you in stopping Kobe. The man is on a mission, and he still remembers those first round exits. Robin Lopez is coming back from injury, and simply doesn't match up to Bynum skillwise, either. The Suns' bench is far superior to the Lakers' bench, but a point guard and a bench do not 4 victories make. On paper, the Lakers have too many significant matchup advantages to be countered. But there's a reason why they play the games.
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now, double-checking, I take my statement of Pau's numbers being 'Dwight Howard-esque' back
Pau’s playoff numbers: 20.2/13.1/3.3/1.9
Dwight’s playoff numbers: 15.4/11.3/1.9/3.9
Dwight was limited by foul trouble in the first round, but still..
Pau Second round: 23.5/14.5/2.8/2.8 on 60% from field 87% from stripe in 37.6mpg
Dwight Second round: 21/13.3/1.5/2.8 on a ridiculous EIGHTY-FOUR PERCENT FROM THE FIELD but only 57% from the line.
Take away Dwight’s ridiculous fg%, and Pau is hands-down the best big man in the playoffs.
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Exactly Saurav! I get so tired of old stereotypes.
And then the broadcasters and writers are somehow magically stunned when Pau’s numbers are just as solid, if not better than Dwight’s.
If Fish out plays Nash, THEN I’ll be stunned.
Good write-up. I had just posted this in another thread before this one went up. But it goes more with this thread. Here are my main concerns for the series:
I recently watched a recording of the last game they played in March. The Lakers won in Phx (Barbosa & Frye were out) but there were several things the Lakes need to correct in this series.
- A number of times the Lakers didn’t box out. They let Amare and Lou Admunson get a bunch of put-backs & o rebounds.
- The Suns sprung a zone defense on the Lakers several times. Often they just lazily passed the ball around the outside and had to settle for a tough shot as the clock ran down. They need to be ready to get into their offense early enough and attack the zone.
We’ll see how it goes. I just hope they remember how to play after a week off.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
watch for a Kobe-on-Nash switch
in crucial moments late in games…if Machine (or Brown) is functioning well enough to chase JRich around the arc, this could be effective in short, controlled bursts—unleash the Koberman on Nash, and, as long as somebody runs Richardson off the 3-ball line, we can play straight-up on D.
In crucial moments
the likeliness of Brown or Sasha being on the floor is small. During the Regular Season, Phil would often experiment with playing one bench player with the starters during crunch time to see how they responded (‘bench player’ not including Odom), but now in the Playoffs he’ll only ever do it if someone is truly killing it. Otherwise, he values Fisher’s experience and ability to hit shots too much to bench him at such times.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
nice write-up
I think the key to this series is how the Lakers defend the pick and roll. Often times Amare comes and sets a pick for Nash at the top of the key and the defense shifts too much focus to Nash which leaves Amare open for a quick drive to the hoop, or Nash drives and finds Richardson wide open for a 3. If we don’t over help when Nash gets the ball and keep Amare and their outside shooters locked up, we can slow down their offense and just let Nash get his driving layups.
Oh and I think Bynum, will have a strong performance in this series, if we get him some touches in the early going.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I hope you’re right about Drew and he can move well enough to defend the P & R so he can stay on the floor.
Hey if repeating as champions were that easy even the Spurs could do it.
Bynum's main impact mostly won't be in the pick-and-roll
It will be in denying driving lanes to the rim and helping on the roll man. Honestly though, Bynum will probably not see a whole lot of time this series, unless Phoenix insists on trotting out lineups with Lopez/Collins.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Bynum will probably see time with the bench
This team is a bunch of strippers and hackers out there
-Phil Jackson
you know their coaching staff
is planning to run Bynum out of the gym literally.
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on May 15, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And if they do, they'll leave themselves vulnerable on the defensive glass
It’s not as simple as you’re putting it out to be.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
it's true
bynum only needs to run as well as the opposing big man.
obviously, he’ll get outrun by amare (even if his knee doesn’t hurt). it depends on whether he can outrun fry or lopez.
btw, who was it that made a joke about basketball not being a track race? the irony
Frye is slow but he has the potential of scoring in the paint. Though i dont see it happening in this series he has shown that at times he can hit the paint and attack. I would LOVE to see channing frye to do that but i am content with having him drw paut
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Stoudemire's numbers are down because he has been totally harrassed by double teams and guys taller than him double teaming him
For example, both Marcus camby and LMA guarded him, doubling teaming and trapping him on essentially every trip down. That is what caused Jrich to play so well, amare opened up the three point shooting and his new found ability to pass at the right times has given the suns a game plan similar to the magic, except with a better pg. Give it to stoudemire, kick it out, rotate and find the wide open shooter. I dont see that stopping considering that amare will eat pau gasol alive if they go 1-on-1; yes pau gasol has been on an absolute tear, but after he all-star break amare stoudemire took his game to an MVP level. On the defensive end, the suns dont really have to guard artest and fisher, that game three was a fluke of epic proportions IMO. So, the suns could possibly double and even triple team kobe though it is higly unlikely. Didnt you guys see how much trouble okc gave you with all that young, energetic athleticism?
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So you're comparing Phoenix and OKC?
Running through banged up, out of sync Blazers and Spurs squads isn’t like keeping up with the Thunder.
Err, you guys don't have anything remotely close to the athleticism of OKC
Or a defensive system or intensity resembling anything close to OKC’s level. And if you want to triple team Kobe, be my guest. I assure you he’ll find a cutter or score anyways.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
not even close
Not close to the athleticism.
Don’t have the same shot-blocking skills.
Don’t play D as well.
Phoenix is better on offense and has a better bench.
In every other respect, OKC surpasses them.
by LakersForDeuce on May 15, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I was angling amare and jrich when i said athletic, but the thunder really broke out of their defense first mentality towards the end of the regular season and their youth really broke through
and that is why they relied more on offense than they did defense; which coupled with their youth allowed the lakers to control the series. The blazers on the other hand, did not have the athleticism of the thunder but they sure did have a great and reliable defense that gave the suns fits from time to time, and yest he spurs have that defensive intensity too. What i said was off by some, but not so much because the lakers basically just fed off of two undersized,in Utah and okc, so it should be interesting to see how the lakers respond to a taller team that is on sink, has momentum, and can execute defenssively. Now im noty saying that it is great, the defensive rotations, but the suns are much more experienced than the thunder and can execute better
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Well...
I wont be impressed with the Suns’ D until I see it lock down on an elite team. You’ve got one now.
Even hurt, the Lakers will — at least at times — play at an elite level in this series.
These teams know each other very well and there will be few surprises, if any.
The Lakers know what it will take to minimize the PHX advantages, and the Suns’ know what they have to do as well. We’ll see which team can actually achieve the objectives.
If Bynum is unable to contribute then it will be Kobe and Gasol playing extra minutes, as well as Odom with the starters. If this is the case I expect our starters to crush yours. The only question will be if their advantage will be enough to make up for our bench disadvantage.
In the end it may come down to the one thing you don’t have. Kobe.
The Suns have no answers for him and I’m comfortable with #24 with the ball at the end, if it gets to that.
by LakersForDeuce on May 15, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
well, their defense was still excellent during the first few games of the playoffs...
The Blazers were still greatly limited by injuries, and you guys decimated the Spurs defense by exposing Duncan on the pick-and-roll. Pau Gasol is far more mobile than Tim Duncan these days, and even Andrew Bynum is provided his injury doesn’t harass him too much.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla
Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore
by DexterFishmore on May 15, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
right, i forgot about them, oden was replaced by camby and IMO pryzbila is a complete joke, but whatever
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Pryzbilla
is possibly the best back up center in the league
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Nah that honor goes to gortat becuase there are very few backup centers to give a lagre sample size
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Gortat's been terrible this season...
one playoffs does not a good player make… just ask Trevor Ariza
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by Saurav A. Das on May 16, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
that's because he hardly gets to play to be in rhythm...
orlando is DEEP.
as much as phoenix likes to praise their bench, i honestly think the orlando bench is better on a consistent basis.
amare is definitely more atheletic than any of our big men
but the suns’s entire front court rotation isn’t that much more athletic than the laker’s (of course, it would also depend on how serious bynum and lopez’s injuries are and how much it will hinder them)
as for j-rich being athletic, he certainly is. however, the SG position is also the Laker’s most athletic department. Kobe is 31 with a swelling knee and gimpy ankle, but he’s still got plenty of lift and speed left (as displayed in the utah series). J-rich is not going to out-athletic-size kobe. As for their backups…shannon brown’s athleticism is second to none (in terms of guards)
Barbosa has more speed than Brown...
But Brown is bigger and stronger. And obviously has a better vertical.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Right back atcha.
PHX fed on a team that was sorely outdone by injuries, and a Spurs team that looked every inch the tired, old team we thought they were BEFORE the Dallas match-up, )to paraphrase) “so it should be interesting to see how the Sunss respond to a taller team that is on sink, has momentum, and can execute – on an elite level – defensively”…
The half-crazed ramblings of a Lakers fanatic living in Japan...
Pau is an underrated defender....
He has handled Amare in the past and as long as he stays in front, Amare will be bothered by Pau’s length. Its not like Amare has a plethora of post moves to dominate Pau with. He will score but not as efficiently as he has been.
young, energetic athleticism
Phoenix is far from that.
Lakers are not going to double Amare and Artest D = Not many wide open shots for Richardson.
so how do you guard nash? with kobe on him then fisher has to guard grant hill, try asking tim duncan how that went
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team defensive scheme
trust me, we’ve had plenty of practise covering for Fisher’s defensive deficiencies
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ack...i hate the no edit button!
don’t forget that the lakers have one of the best defensive ratings (at least statistically) despite being exploited at the PG matchup in nearly every single game (by faster and more athletic PGs). Fisher’s defense lapse is not in his defensive IQ but rather his physical limitations (unlike shannon brown who needs to show a little more IQ).
Kobe only takes on the PGs on spot occasions. For the most part, the Lakers deal with Fish’s defensive shortcommings straight up.
Deron Williams is better than Nash
and he didn’t go insane on us, even though we left Fisher on him.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 16, 2010 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Again, you might want to check that in a mirror...
How are Phoenix going to guard Kobe?
How are Phoenix going to guard Pau?
How are Phoenix going to guard ?
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Don't worry
the Lakers are spending time preparing for the athletic machines that are Channing Frye, Jared Dudley, Steve Nash, and Grant Hill.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Amare's been playing at MVP-level?
Heh, last couple months, Gasol’s been the best big man in the League.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
that was the last portion of april that pau really stepped it up, bu tamare has been rolling ever since the trade deadline passed and i will continue to say this
but amare has been harrassed by the plethora of defenders thrown at him, and mcdyess might be a step slow but he is still that agile defender that played kind of like lamar odom.
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LOL. McDyess, agile?
You, my friend, are gonna be in for a wake-up call.
Pau was fronted all of OKC series, and doubled much of Utah series. Believe it or not, Amare isn’t the only player in this League to have seen double-teams. And Pau still played better than Amare. Hell, the argument so far could be made for Pau for overall Playoff MVP.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes but there is still a difference when for lack of a better term, midgets are doubling teaming you and when guys taller than you are
i couldnt think of a better word than agile, but mcdyess did some great work on defense and he wanted that ring, so he reverted to using dirty tactics to help slow amare down as well. The MVP of the playoffs right now is definitely kobe, but you could also make a case for jameer nelson, rajon rondo, dwight howard, pau gasol etc
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curious
what is it about Nelson that has so many people referring to him as one of the best players in the League? I’ve just never seen it.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
right now he is playing some terrific ball, just attacking the basket and creating the maginificent flow to that beautiful offense the magic run. during the regular season it was a different story
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haha
amare will NOT eat pau gasol alive 1-on-1. that is simply ridiculous. if pau can stop dwight in last year’s finals what made you think he isn’t capable of shutting down amare?
There is no comparison between Amare's offense and Dwight's. And I do mean none.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 16, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
What does this have to do with the price of tea in China. The coment was on Pau's defense on Amare and not anything else. We all know that Amare's offensive skills are as much better than Dwights as Dwight's defense is better than Amare's.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 17, 2010 4:37 AM PDT up reply actions
pau was able to both effectively score on and defend dwight.
in other words, if you want to say amare will “eat pau alive 1-on-1” (in which there is no overwhelming evidence based on regular season performance), then I might as well claim “pau will swallow amare whole and without even chewing the bones 1-on-1”
matchups
since when in amare 6’10? i could be wrong, but i always thought he was about 6’8 to 6’9. can we stop with the fisher bashing. he has been playing pretty damn good ,and going against the likes of westbrook and williams and now nash,i wouldnt expect many guards to outplay them,but i think is effort and offensive output is above what we got in the regular season.i mean we cant have the advantage at every positon can we?
by the fantasy king on May 15, 2010 11:46 AM PDT reply actions
for posterity's sake, I use ESPN's official listings
which have Amare at 6’10". However, those listings often exaggerate player heights, or use outdated measurements.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
if amare is smaller than 6'10 then how tall is lamar odom?
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Lamar Odom is 6'10" without shoes, 6'11" with
Amare is 6"10 with shoes
The issue with listed measurements is that they’re often taken by different people (NBA, College Team, HS scout, etc..) and have varying standards (round up/round down, with shoes/without shoes etc). Hell, Kobe’s 6’6.5" with shoes, 6’5.5" without, and for much of his career he was referred to as 6’7".
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i never ever heard anyone mention that kobe is 6'6; i just listen to teh listings so odom is 6'10 and amare is 6'10 while zach randolph in 6'8
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Ah, never mind.
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by DexterFishmore on May 15, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Maturity of a teenager, Dex?
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by Saurav A. Das on May 16, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
There's no bashing.
His offensive play is fine, it’s just an acknowledgement that at this points in his career he is a very subpar defender and Nash is one of the best lead guards in the League, therefore that’s where we lose out. Yes, we can’t have the advantage at every position, but this is the only starting position where we don’t have it, which is why it’s focused on.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Havasu
The Suns already know that Hill can’t guard Kobe. I’ve got a feeling that they’ll start off with J-Rich on him in an attempt to get the monkey off of his back. Of course, it’ll backfire miserably and Gentry will be forced to go with Hill on Kobe when they go back to Phoenix for games 3 and 4. Unfortunately, they’ll be in a 0-2 hole by then and will quickly wilt under the pressure. Maybe they can get Cedric Ceballos to help plan their summer vacations for them.
by dEDGE on May 15, 2010 12:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nash is a good sport! Funny!
Nash on Phil saying he carries ball: “The best coach in the league, Gregg Popovich, didn’t have a problem with it last week.”
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Pops best coach? Gee Steve, there are some things you just don't say.
If Gentry is my coach there is no way I call any other coach the best in the league. It might not fly to call Gentry the best, as he’s never won anything, but why would you ever highlight an opposing coach over your own?
I know he wanted to answer Phil’s comment, but this was dumb.
by LakersForDeuce on May 15, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I would LOVE to go fishing with Phil...

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Grasping at straws?
It seems the great zen master is looking for any way to slow down Nash. The man has been in the league for years. Don’t you think the refs have seen his every move? He did the same thing with Durant the last series. Must be slowing down in his old age!
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Grasping at straws? - nope, just doing what he always does
It’s the same ol’ same ol’ – try to deflect attention on the game, even if it doesn’t work, no harm to his team …
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and yet he still gets the other guy to respond...
And he winds up in their head, even if just a little.
Let’s see if Nash gets called for palming the ball in this series.
by LakersForDeuce on May 15, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Pop was more concerned about his team turning the ball over
Nash on Phil saying he carries ball: "The best coach in the league, Gregg Popovich, didn’t have a problem with it last week."
by rickfox on May 15, 2010 2:23 PM PDT reply actions
Bynum's injury getting worse
http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5191602
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this is very bad news
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by desecrator09 on May 15, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont know if we'll win it all this time with him limping around
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by desecrator09 on May 15, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Swelling is an obvious symptom that cannot get better no matter how much rest
He’ll bounce back.
by rickfox on May 15, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
best part as a fan
at least if the Lakers lose, we have the consolation of … excuses due to injury!
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may not be as bad as described
I remember Willis Reed dragging himself up and down the court on one leg. I don’t think ’Drew is in that condition.
Figure he’s in better shape than we believe, until official reports to the contrary.
by LakersForDeuce on May 15, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really wanting to see a rematch of the 2008 Finals, but I didn't mean it that literally.
by Joshua S on May 15, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Not worried about Bynum. We seem to be getting the same prognosis prior to every
season so far. He himself said it couldn’t get any worse as far as playing without discomfort. Until I hear that he absolutely without a doubt can’t play I’m not stressing over it.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
well, it's more about whether he can be effective rather than if he can play.
he needs to be effective for us to exploit the inside…
Yup..I agree
last year he played about 18 mins per game and started and LO took twice as much minutes as he did off the bench so if we can get that out of Bynum I will be happy.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Its about effectiveness
The Suns are gonna look to just run him out of the game literally. If he cant get back on D consistently then PJ’s gonna be forced to sit him and that would take away our best paint defender and one of our post options. He was more effective than Pau against them this yr too.
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by desecrator09 on May 15, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Even if Bynum can't go...
I still think we win the series.
The Lakers are a resourceful team that finds a way to win. Jackson will make adjustments and the team would scratch and claw their way.
It might be more difficult, but I think Gasol and Odom would still be better than Stoudamire and whoever else they can throw in there.
by LakersForDeuce on May 15, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
If bynum is out and odom has to start it depletes that bench you guys have going and it will bring back the lakers of april
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Bynum won't be out
And April was Lakers-apathy month because they had the top seed all but tied up. With playoff rotations and intensity, that’s not happening.
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effectiveness and presence
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
ooops
I menat before every series this year.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i had a funny dream last night
one was that i got my college acceptance letter and the other was that shannon was starting in place of kobe…
i got my acceptance letter today….lmao i guess that means shannon’s starting over kobe
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kobe off the bench
maybe if we have shannon start we’ll still be able to keep up with the suns starting 5 and with kobe off the bench playin starters minutes we’ll be able to handle the suns bench IMO
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by njzfinest5013 on May 15, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Time to take this frontrunners out
The Suns have been riding a nice momentum though beating a depleted blazers and and old raggedy spurs made them feel they are one of the elite. The truth is the suns are so way not in the league with the Lakers,Magic. Its time for the Lakers to pulverize these frontrunners with their gimmicky style of bball and icky defense at best. The Suns with their fans have been drinking too much kool aids. Time for the Lakers bench to outplay the suns overglorified bunch of scrubs they call their bench. Phil Jackson is a legend while gentry is a low cost , kiss the players butt kinda coach. Lakers in 5
we can still hate them and be respectful
do they get to you that bad?
This team is a bunch of strippers and hackers out there
-Phil Jackson
we can still hate them and not be so harsh and homerish
do they get to you that bad?
This team is a bunch of strippers and hackers out there
-Phil Jackson
So
If everyone was talking about the Spurs having a good shot at beating you, then what happened when we swept them. All of a sudden they old and slow and not a real team anymore. They beat Dallas, who was also a team that many thought were the best candidate to knock you off. And we, in turn, beat them in four.I don’t get it. You beat a young inexperienced team, and a team missing 2 of it’s top 6 players, yet we are the ones that haven’t played anyone yet. Explain that. I know, you can’t see anything since you are blinded by all your trophies. Just remember, that things, no matter how shiny they are, can’t blind you from behind.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 16, 2010 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
well, we thank the spurs for knocking out dallas, and we thank the suns for knocking out the spurs
it isn’t about which team is better…it’s about the matchups.
was denver a better team than utah? no necessarily. but denver tend to give us fits while it rolls over to us.
we’re not saying the suns are a better or worse team than the spurs, but we tend to match up better with the suns than the spurs
Wait... you get a free pass on Portland?
Portland were missing – what… 5 of their top 7? Sheesh dude… get those rose-coloured shades off.
And San Antonio, all of a sudden – they’re youthful?
Who is this “everyone” you keep referring to?
Anyway, it all comes down to what Nonstance stated: it all comes down to match-ups.
And Suns fans keep singing of their vaunted advantages on offense… where they have an advantage in maybe 2 of 5 positions.
Tell me: when the Suns are on D, where do you have any advantages at all? I realise that basketball isn’t a game of 1-on-1, but I can’t see a single position where when LA are on offense that they don’t have the advantage.
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The only person Portland was missing that they had been playing with for even close to half the season was Broy for about 3 games. Everybody was the same during their hot streak at the end of the season, plus we all admit that Portland was short handed and easier than usual win, But they were missing 1 of their top 7 or 8, whereas Utah was missing 2 of their top 5 or 6. And you forget we were missing our starting center. Where would you be without Bynum.
You say it is about matchups. I agree. The matchups look like they favor LA. The interesting thing that alot of you say we are a free pass to the finals, and that the Spurs would have been harder, but we are taller than the spurs are this year (for once). So a team that is better than another in just about evey is somehow just going to roll over and die.
Again, you have the edge physically at most every position, but if stats and physical traits is what wins games we should have just crowned Clevaland the title. We all know how that worked out. So let’s just play the games.
by Suns Fan For Life on May 17, 2010 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I preferred not to face the spurs
because ginobli is a wild x-factor. if he plays like he did at the end of the season where he was on a tear, he’d be tough cover (especially considering he’s too wily and quick for artest to guard effectively. if he played like he did for the majority of the season, there’s no worry.
plus, i’d rather not face pop+duncan if it could be helped. you never know what they could do to you.
Check, check and check some more, nice post Saurav A. Das
Cause I agree on all of thee above and just to add a few things
I can see Phil take Fisher off Nash at times and put Artest on Nash and maybe Kobe, the Lakers have players that can match up with the Suns and I don’t really think the bench is really going to be killing us, Lakers bench has been out matched since the start of the playoffs and still have managed to win games. Phil is not going to let Nash dictate these games so the PG advantage they did have can be countered now Suns are condensed to just a bench which = not enough to beat the Lakers, I just don’t see any chance for the Suns but I will be watching in suspense
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Kobe on Nash means Fish on Hill
Which doesn’t work – Hill’s just far too big.
Artest on Nash, however, could work, as Fisher is as equipped for running someone off the line as anyone else. The issue is when Richardson starts driving on him or posting up, then we need to flip it back..
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by Saurav A. Das on May 15, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
if bynum plays well...we might see spot minutes of the "large lineup"?
LO on hill isn’t that much of a stretch. Hill is not that much faster than LO and LO has the length to give Hill some space.
yeah it depends on who is on the floor
Fish on Hill is just asking for trouble since Hill is smart enough to post him up and take advantage of his size but the thing I see is this potentially taking away from Suns run and gun/pick and roll us to death plan when they try to exploit Fish on other guys which can work in Lakers favor because Lakers are now dictating what Suns are going to do which can help Lakers defense stop it.
I’m really just throwing out scenarios, I know Phil will work his magic, I really think he will stick with Fish on Nash for the most part, Nash will give some lumps but Fish will fight back, Phil will try to post Fish some also and don’t sleep on Farmar guarding Nash also, he has the quickness to get by Nash and stay with Nash so Lakers can give Nash trouble on offense also
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yep. farmar is our best dribble penetrator (maybe outside kobe)
it’s unfortunately that he doesn’t get to utilize most of those skills in the triangle. I wonder if phil will loosen the reigns on farmar though…and allow him to do more traditional PG offense damage instead of forcing the post entry (b/c we do have a large post advantage, too)
we didn't switch too much last series..
and Deron’s a better player than Nash, so I think we can handle it.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 16, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
That's the thing...
I think D-Will’s a better PG.
And Fish is far, far better equipped to deal with Nash than he is with Williams or Westbrook.
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Personally, I think Nash is a better point guard, but DWill a better player.
If that makes sense..
I believe that Nash’s passing ability and ability to push to pace make him the best offensive orchestrator in the League; but Deron is a better scorer, better defender and better all-round player. Ignoring age, I’d think if you wanted a point guard to run your offense, you’d pick Nash, even though Deron would decimate him in a 1-vs-1 matchup.
Also, it’s important that each one is perfect for the system they are in. Nash is too frail to run Jerry Sloan’s offense, and Deron could run the SSoL, but he’s not creative enough to run it as well as Nash can.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 16, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I get you...
But I still think that Nash’s main skills are his vision, and creativity. Westbrook’s fast… and D-Will sought of a combination of both.
Skill/vision/creativity, Fish has a chance to at least ‘limit’.
Speed? No chance at all.
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I agree that Fisher is better equipped to deal with Nash
as opposed to dealing with DWill, just that I think Nash is the better PG.
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by Saurav A. Das on May 16, 2010 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't see that
Deron is stronger and faster but when you talk about PG skills you are talking about court vision and creating for your team and that is Nash. Deron is a better talent but Nash is without a doubt the better PG. He will be tougher to guard than Deron. Fisher might be able to stay with Nash better than with Deron but Nash’s PG IQ is years ahead of Deron’s
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 16, 2010 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions
yes...Nash is way ahead in terms of IQ
however, “intangibles” are better equipped to deal with IQ than with raw speed, strength, and atheleticism (unless it takes the form of looks like luis scola).
is Fish going to “stop” Nash? HELL NO. But is Nash going to be harder to deal with than Deron Williams? That’s debatable.
Bynum's biggest contribution is that his presence causes mismatches
That is exactly how KG and the Celtics beat the Cavs. They exploited the KG vs A. Jamison mismatch. Just like the Lakers did last year when Bynum’s presence helped the Lakers exploit the Gasol vs Rashard Lewis mismatch. It also allowed Gasol the ability to guard Lewis on the perimeter who was long enough to disrupt his 3 pt shooting while Bynum and Odom got rebounds. Not to mention Gasol ate up Lewis on the offensive end. Without Bynum none of this is possible. In 08 the Lakers lost because Boston had fucking Perkins on Gasol and KG gobled up all the rebounds because he had to compete againts Chris-fucking Mihm and he punked LO. Having Bynum on KG or D Howard in this years Finals as opposed to LO or Pau will be huge.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 10:20 PM PDT reply actions
Saurav, you're a British?
Never knew basketball is played in the UK.
Who am I? An old female zebra bleeding purple and gold.
Australian, actually
Basketball’s played the world over
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by Saurav A. Das on May 16, 2010 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice to see there are a few of us around...
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Is it Monday yet?
I wanna see intangibles at work already. Im tired of this already
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by Madz on May 16, 2010 3:02 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
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"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
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