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Should the Lakers Get Lebron?




Laker fans are possibly the one fanbase that doesn't love, or at least respect LeBron James.  But if LBJ does decide to move, they may actually be a darkhorse contender for acquiring the two-time MVP.  Would you make the deal, Laker fans?

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I hate Lebron-gate.  I hate baseless trade speculation.  But right now, with so damn much of it going around, I just can't but help to get caught up in this hype.

The Lakers are deep in cap hell.  They have no shot in hell of signing Lebron James to a contract, unless he wants a minimum contract-and who would give up 20 million a year?  And yet, the Lakers have a better chance at aquiring Lebron than a lot of people think.

When looking over the contracts at a site like hoopsdata.com or hoopshype.com, I noticed something interesting.  Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom are about equal to a max contract (other low-contract players may have to be thrown in to make it go).  Obviously these guys are the type of people whose total contribution exceeds that of any single player due to all the matchup issues they cause.  Except for possibly Lebron.

If the Cleveland Cavaliers decide they have no chance of retaining Lebron, it's not beyond reason that they might try to put together a sign and trade package for him, rather than losing him for nothing, and it's not that strange that Lebron would participate in this process, so that he can go  to a team that isn't as awful as some of the places he might go as an outright free agent.  And with some of the garbage other teams are throwing around in their sign and trade packages, Bynum and Odom could probably be the best offer the Cavs get.

Personally I would hope that Mitch picked up the phone and made the offer.  I'm a huge Odom fan, and I haven't given up on Bynum being a consistent monster yet.  But I don't know how you can get a chance at a guy who could be Kobe's true successor (note I said could be-he's obviously not yet no matter what numbers he puts up, by the Laker fan standard of "guys who win rings"). 

Yet, over this year I've seen a ton of Laker fans absolutely hating on Lebron.  I think a lot of it is the Cavs being pretty classless on the Christmas Day matchup with their stupid dances, but I don't blame Lebron for that debacle.  It's more serious than that for  a lot of Laker fans: they think he just wouildn't fit in the offense in any way shape or form.  After his playoff loss tonight, I've even seen people throwing around that  he's a quitter.

Personally I think all that drama is overblown.  I don't think Lebron quit during last night's game, and I think all the other crap would be forgiven and forgotten if he showed up in the Forum Blue and Gold.  Yet, currently there are is a strong contingent of Laker fans who are adamant that they would never make this move. 

What do you think?

Poll
Would you trade Bynum and Odom for Lebron?
Hell yes!
106 votes
Hell no I hate Lebron!
48 votes
I think the Lakers would be worse with Lebron or without Bynum and Odom
53 votes
Only if the Cavs are dumb enough to let the Lakers leave Odom out and include some sort of Walton/Sasha/Bynum package
86 votes

293 votes | Poll has closed

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Someone I know keeps trying to convince me it is.

There is no way in hell it will happen. Absolutely ZERO.

by Sulaiman on May 13, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not, but the money works, and the players are good, which is more than you can say about the deals Miami is talking about for their sign and trade, and the media is treating that as a real possibility.

by Derek Fisher Fan on May 13, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

NOOOOIIIIICEEE!!!

Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall

by desecrator09 on May 14, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

But seriously, this will never happen

Chances are below 0%.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on May 13, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

This

"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules

There is hate and there is "get the fuck out of my way, I've got a parade to get to" - Cool Dudes on May 12, 2010 10:11 PM PDT

http://twitter.com/KBZinLA

by KBZ on May 13, 2010 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

Although the possibility of Durant not signing a max extension this summer is similarly nonexistent.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on May 13, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

lakers don't need him yet. we don't need another elite talent at the moment

but in a few years, when kobe actually does decline…then we’ll need him.

by Nostance on May 13, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Although he is a great player..

even Pau Gasol was complaining about touches earlier in the year do you really think that a guy like Lebron, someone who took at least 1/3+ of his teams shot attempts is going to be satisfied with his touches? If anything I wouldn’t want the leading position handed to someone with a lower IQ than Kobe before He declines for good. It would be like the whole Jay Leno situation, forcing him to step down before he’s ready…

by Castleblack on May 15, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Clipshow have a better chance of gettin LeBroseph

"Attitude reflect leadership, captain" - Big Jules

There is hate and there is "get the fuck out of my way, I've got a parade to get to" - Cool Dudes on May 12, 2010 10:11 PM PDT

http://twitter.com/KBZinLA

by KBZ on May 13, 2010 9:37 PM PDT reply actions  

naw we dont need Barkley....errr Lebron

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 13, 2010 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Oops

I meant….oh come on….we’re just kidding ourselves by saying that we don’t want LeBron. We may not “need” him, but he’ll only help our team…

by alphax91 on May 13, 2010 9:57 PM PDT reply actions  

That’s the whole reason I wrote this, because fans of other teams think I’m lying when I say that a lot of Laker fans at least claim they’d pass on him.

by Derek Fisher Fan on May 13, 2010 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

We don't need Karl Lelone

We already have a champion leading our squad to battle.

by wavenstein on May 13, 2010 10:02 PM PDT reply actions  

lol yeah ok

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on May 13, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO this wont happen and heres why:

1. Lebron and Kobe are meant to be the leaders of their own individual teams. Having both on our team would imo be an extremely unnecessary/ costly move.
2. It would create a heavy gap in our frontcourt
3. We have already invested quite a lot of money in Bynum and Odom, meaning both arent leaving any time soon.
4. It would probably cause a lot of negative reaction about the NBA, in terms of parity.

Its NOT gonna happen.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 13, 2010 10:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Now what would be really interesting would be if

Lebron went to the Clippers.

Imagine the storylines that can be written…

by Nostance on May 13, 2010 11:11 PM PDT reply actions  

That would be crazy

but if he leaves the Cavs because he feels they didn’t do enough for him then what would make him think the Clips would be any better or more commited. Their past doesn’t indicate that they could.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 14, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

NY & Chicago hasn't exactly been putting up a good fight in the past decade, either.

and it’s not like the clippers lack talent…they just somehow collectively get injured and can’t play together.

Of course, I doubt that he’d even consider the Clippers…but wouldn’t it make such an interesting story? Kobe and Lebron dishing it out…in the same city :p.

by Nostance on May 14, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

With the amount of control LeBron held over the Cleveland management

I doubt he wants to come to the Clippers and deal with Sterling.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on May 14, 2010 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

and if there is a team that doesnt know how to build a contender

its the clippers. Its gonna be if not cleveland either new york or chicago, and I believe there is a good chance of him going to chicago cause they have a solid supporting cast with rose and noah, while with new york there is much more work needed.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 14, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fucking Hate

Lebron James……

No beating around the bush (I thank you)… There is no way I would follow a team with a guy I hate with a passion….

I’m glad they got eliminated, there was no way I would be able to sleep at night knowing Lebron won a championship while Kobe was still an active player in the NBA. This and knowing Anderson Varejão would be a champion. That ugly mofo…

Kobe: "If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail," he says, laughing. "You know what I mean? Fuck it."

by Hensi24 on May 13, 2010 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Dude what the bleep were you smoking?

That would make NO sense for millions of reasons. Just, no man. That’s like trading Peyton Manning to the Patriots or vice versa to the Colts with Tom Brady. The football reference was necessary.

Only difference is the SYSTEMATIC split of duty involved in football, but it would represent the split of duty in Lakerdom between Bron and Kobe if something this senseless would happen.

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."

"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."

-Kobe Bryant

A mantra for all athletes.

by TrojanRam on May 13, 2010 11:42 PM PDT reply actions  

For the sake of conversation. HELL YES!

When the Bosh for Bynum topic came up some fans lost their minds in the sense that they were upset at the thought of such an idea. Mainly because they felt Bynum showed more promise and you could build a team around him and also because he represented the future of the franchise during the post-kobe-era. Well, wouldn’t those same principles apply with Lebron.

Lebron has more promise than Bynum.
You could build a team around Lebron (well maybe not after today..lol)
He would defenitely represent the future of the Lakers after Kobe is gone

He fits the same mold. right now many people don’t know how many players would attract if he went to another city. But in LA that would not be a problem a lot. That solves the issue of losing LO.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 14, 2010 1:05 AM PDT reply actions  

the problem is...

can he share kobe’s spotlight while kobe’s still here?

by Nostance on May 14, 2010 1:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

then Kobe can just get traded...lol

j/k. I don’t everyone in here to kill me. : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 14, 2010 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

*grabs pitchfork*

If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose.

by akb24b on May 14, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

chill out : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think there would not be enough room for both of them on the same team.

by Ceek on May 14, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

you don't need him

end of story

...in dixie land i'll take my stand: to root for Atlanta

by southman on May 14, 2010 5:49 AM PDT reply actions  

No, I wouldn't want him if we could get him.

Its bad enough when Kobe dribbles too much. Don’t need someone else to dribble out the clock until he learns how to actually run the triangle. Its intriguing to see how he would play in a system, but considering he never has there’s no estimating that learning curve. Now if Phil is leaving and the triangle won’t be used then I’ll take him just because we NEED SOMEONE else to handle the ball and create when Kobe is out, but we’d need to get like Hickson or someone else to play down low as well (Shaq maybe? lol.)
I agree with those above to look into the future of Kevin Durant, hell I’m saying we should look into the future of Russell Westbrook.

by Marty Mart on May 14, 2010 7:33 AM PDT reply actions  

Mike Wise from The Washington Post on Lebron
Right now he should worry about not switching to the Nos. 8 or 24, because that would be very disrespectful to Kobe, almost as disrespectful as someone comparing the two players’ legacies at this point in LeBron James’s title-less career.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 14, 2010 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Lebron

should stay in Cleveland and rot.

Kobe: "If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail," he says, laughing. "You know what I mean? Fuck it."

by Hensi24 on May 14, 2010 9:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope we realize that our biggest strength is our frontcourt

Bynum for Bosh made sense because we still get a big man. But losing both Bynum and Lamar for LeBron would hurt more than help. Such a trade wouldn’t be useful until after Kobe retires but it would destroy a current championship team. As far as the scenario where it would be Bynum and some of our taco unit specialist, I still would want someone to replace Bynum (maybe Varejao hehe) because Im not sure we want Josh Powell, playing major minutes.

This team is a bunch of strippers and hackers out there
-Phil Jackson

by Madz on May 14, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, Bynum for Bosh is the only valid sign-and-trade scenario out there

And honestly, Bosh is the only free agent available this summer I’d do it for.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on May 15, 2010 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

what about

Bynum, Artest and Brown (after signing him to 3-4 million) instead?

It’ll never happen, but for the sake of speculation, this combo makes more sense for both teams because 1) the Cavs have Jamison at PF and 2) the Lakers would start LBJ in the spot vacated by Artest.

Aside from position, I’d rather keep Odom because we’ll need his size as starting PF if we lose Bynum and Gasol moves to C.

by deadmuse on May 14, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Not sure if this is true yet so stay tuned.

NEW YORK — The Cleveland Cavaliers have fired head coach Mike Brown, two league sources told SI.com.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 14, 2010 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

As of now, not true

In a week, that tune might change.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on May 14, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep they said they are gonna look at the situation for the next few days

honeslty what else is left to evaluate? havent they seen enough?? If they end up keeping him (which I doubt) I think lebron goes elsewhere.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on May 14, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

he blows anyways

some game last year, he had his assistant coaches planning out an end-of-game play while he just watched

by vitzeng on May 14, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

r u smoking crack

never gonna happen…i would trade kobe, odom, bynum, sasha, farmer and powel for lebron..time waits for no man..i throw in jenie buss too hahahah

by anthonyoc on May 14, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

No way whatsoever.

Totally don’t want the guy in purple and gold. One problem that I have with LeBron is his attitude. I mean not as a person but as a basketball player. I mean you see the Cavs joking around too much during pregame and all. You don’t see Kobe doing that, like pretending to take a picture of the team….come on now. The reason I say this is because he lacks the killer mentality that Kobe, Magic, Jordan, and Bird had. Besides as shaqfor3 stated above, they both need to be the leader on their team, so it won’t happen. The same reason Wade and LeBron won’t be on the same team either.

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by weazel on May 14, 2010 10:39 PM PDT reply actions  

yep. i don't see how people can think that miami will be a possibility for lebron

did you see them try to out-do each other in the all-star game? if they were on the same team, they’d have more chemistry issues than the Lakers ’04

by Nostance on May 14, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Wade and Lebron were on the same team

Wade would be MJ and Lebron would be Pippen…
Wade would be Kobe and Lebron would be Shaq….
Wade would be Magic and Lebron would be Worthy….
I can’t think of anymore.. : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 12:53 AM PDT reply actions  

How could I forget

Wade would be Kobe and Lebron would Pau..

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 15, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wade would be The Dream

and Lebron would be Kenny Smith. lol. jk

by Marty Mart on May 15, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with it

After hearing the news on Bynum I say lets do it.It might be able to happen if we can get Bynum traded somehow.If we happen to lose Bynum will take the brunt of the abuse.It will be a difficult thing to make happen being Kobe is there but if it’s really about winning Championships I say lets do it the Staples would be sold out like never before.

by LakersMania on May 15, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

As Much as I dont like Lebron

A trade to get him in a Laker Uni couldnt be anything but good for the Laker Organization…How could it not be? You would have the top 2 players in the League and a Legit Post presence…That would leave us with a HUGE hole at C/PF which we would have to fill with the MLE and our PG problem would still be there…If you look at it, it wouldn’t be any different than when Boston got Garnett and Ray Ray..It is hiiighly unlikely to happen but if it presented itself you would make the trade in a Heartbeat

You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........

by EmmCeee on May 16, 2010 9:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Before the playoffs started...

I might have agreed, but now the Lakers should avoid that heartless, adolescent-in-a-man’s-body, punk-ass loser at all costs. The only time I want to see him in Staples is when he is using a visitor’s locker. I have never been so absolutely astonished at a team leader giving up on a game of that magnitude as LeBron in the closing minutes of Game 6. Even my wife, an avid Lakers fan but light on NBA history, was amazed that the Cadavers just laid down and died. I don’t blame Brown. What’s a coach to do when the King abdicates his throne? James can not be trusted again with the lead role for an NBA team, least of all the Lakers. Don’t bring that weak-ass powder throwin’, picture-takin’, comedy act to tinsel town.

by bigdeal1188 on May 16, 2010 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

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