Can You Smell What the Laker Offense Is Cooking?
It smells like... *sniff, sniff*... mmm, points. My favorite! All of a sudden, the Phoenix Suns aren't the only team with extra-large servings of points on the menu, and I think I'll stop now with the culinary metaphor.
The point of it is... well, points are the point. The Lakers offense, wan and sputtering all year long, has risen from the depths to become competent. Good, even. More so than the three-zip lead over the Utah Jazz, of whom no one really doubted the Lakers would handily dispose, the rebirth of the Laker attack is the story of the second round ‘round here. It started in Game Five against Oklahoma City and has pretty much done nothing but pick up steam since then.
How tasty has the offense been? Over their past five games, all wins, the Lakers have averaged 1.18 points per possession (PPP). That's up from 1.09 PPP in the regular season, and it's exactly the mark that Phoenix has put up in the playoffs. Granted, the Suns have done it in 10 games, but still. The Suns won't be able to match the Lakers defensively, so if they're going to take the Western Conference Finals, they'll need to have the substantially better offense. That the Laker points machine is producing at their level bodes well for L.A. in round three.
Of course, even five games isn't a terribly huge sample size, so let's figure out what's behind the recent eruption. Below I've listed, in more or less ascending order of importance, the causes of improvement in the Laker offense, along with my guess as to how sustainable each one is.
They're getting to the free-throw line.
I should say, they're getting to the line at home. On the road the Lakers aren't getting whistles, but in the 213 the freebies are coming in waves. The difference is stark. Across Game Five of the OKC series and the first two games against Utah, the Lakers generated 0.40 free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt. Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol were the foremost foul-drawers. But in Game Six in OKC and Game Three at the Delta Center in Utah, that ratio got cut in half, to 0.20.
Sustainable? For better and worse, it probably is. The home-road disparity in FTAs isn't going anywhere. The Jazz are among the fouliest teams in the league, and although the Suns don't have quite the same track record, they've done mucho hacking in the playoffs so far. When the action's at Staples, the Lakers should be able to pound it inside and fat-stack pointage at the stripe.
The last two games especially, they've been crashing the offensive glass.
Here's where the absence of Mehmet Okur is killing the Jazz. The Lakers are rebounding 35% of their own misses in the series, and 40% over the past two games. Because he's a perimeter offensive guy, we tend not to think of Memo as a prolific rebounder, but he's solid on the defensive glass. Without his size to deal with, Pau and Lamar Odom have been awesome at generating second-chance opportunities, either by volleyballing misses back up to the rim or tipping them back out to shooters.
Can they sustain it? Indeed. The Suns were by far the worst defensive rebounding team to make the playoffs, placing 29th in defensive rebounding rate. They did a solid job of keeping the Spurs off the glass in their second-round sweep, but managing the same against Pau and Lamar is a whole ‘nother thang.
Threedom!
We've been on this all year. If the Lakers were going to defend their title, they'd probably need to hit from behind the arc better than they did in the regular season. Hey, guess what's happening? Over the past five games, they've drilled 38% of their three-point attempts, and that includes a 17% shitburger in Game One against Utah. Derek Fisher has been good (37%) in this stretch, and it's helped that Ron Artest emerged from his barrel-scraping slump, but how about some love for Jordan Farmar? Since missing all five of his threes in the Game Four catastrophe in OKC, he's made 6 of 11 from distance. I can work with that.
IZ SUSTAYNABUL? Ehh, I don't know. Maybe. Ron was due for a snap-back, and Kobe's outside shooting form looks noticeably better, so I'm willing to buy into those improvements. But Farmar isn't going to keep making more than half of his threes. I think on the whole it'll be better than what we saw in the regular season, but there'll be some clunkers mixed in there. Phoenix, for what it's worth, has allowed playoff opponents to make 37% of their longballs. So that's nice.
People are making their twos.
This, I think, is the most underdiscussed element of the Laker offensive renaissance. What surprised me most about Fish's Game Three performance in Utah wasn't that he made 3 of 7 threes - though that was indeed a surprise. It was that he made 4 of 6 twos. Over the past five games, he's made 63% of his two-point shots, part of a delicious rotation-wide trend.
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2PT% in Regular Season |
2PT% Over Last 5 Games |
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Kobe Bryant |
49 |
54 |
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Pau Gasol |
54 |
55 |
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Andrew Bynum |
57 |
65 |
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Ron Artest |
45 |
56 |
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Lamar Odom |
51 |
54 |
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Derek Fisher |
40 |
63 |
Check out those jumps for Ron and Fish. As a team the Lakers have made 54% of their twos over the last five, compared to a 49% mark in the regular season. Some of this has to do with matchups. (The Jazz, minus Okur and for two games Andrei Kirilenko, are small.) Some of it is a rejuvenated and healthy Kobe Bryant. Some of it's just friendly small-sample-size variance at the right time.
Speak to me of sustainability! Anyone think Fish will continue making over 60% of his twos? Me neither. I do, however, believe the Kobe improvement is legit. Same with some of what we're seeing from Ron around the rim. He still looks ugly as hell when he goes to the hoop, but he's got more lift in his legs these days and he isn't just blindly flinging the ball up when he gets close. He even dunks from time to time.
Much here, as in all things Laker-related, depends on Bynum. When he's catching dimes around the hole and throwing it down, it can be devastating to an opposing defense. The Laker offense can function without him - see, e.g., the last game they played - but the more they get from Drew, the more they can give back some of the short-term efficiency gains we've seen from Fish and Ron and still keep rocking.
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Should be fun but don’t rush. Take your time. A couple more games against the Jazz just to keep sharp. We won’t start the WCF without you.
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Speaking of which ...
Do you know how the scheduling works? If the Lakers complete the sweep tonight, would they start the WCF right away or wait for the East to catch up?
Abc Projects game 7 of ECF Semi's on Sunday or game 1 of ECF Finals
TNT has the market for the WCF and I don’t know their schedule.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The guys on TNT last night said the Suns got at least 7 days off
pslakerfan: "Well if you can get in (the Hall of Fame) by being a scorer who doesn't rebound or play defense.....
Then I guess you can get in by being a rebounder and defender who can’t score." referring to Dennis Rodman
Commentators mentioned WCF don't start till next Tuesday, last night...
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by Saurav A. Das on May 11, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Great stuff. Statistically speaking one thing that I am also curious about is in regards to their defensive stats. I’m a believer in the idea that if a team makes defense the number priority they can survive almost any shooting slump. The Celtics proved that in 08. In the off season NBA TV was at the Celtics practice facility and Doc Rivers would not show their defensive strategy on camera. That is how serious they are about their D. But that being said I know that the Lakers have been doing good defensively and that is the most underrated part of their game which is rarely talked about.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 10, 2010 9:46 AM PDT reply actions
*number one priority
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 10, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
its all about....
D-fence!!! im with you there PAGFL
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
yup..that is how I feel.
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"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 10, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
and it would be awesome for Bynum to
dominate in the Suns series!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
hell yeah.
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"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 10, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
dont u mean bynumate!!!!!!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on May 10, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHA
good one!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
bynum defense
all lakers need from bynum is play defense and dunk and we will win another championship…tha’ts damn all he needs to do…it’s time for bynum to do his what he’s suppose to do and not worry bout scoring…rebound, defend the lane, and DUNKKKKKKKKK
Hindsight is 20-20: would like to see Lamar start strong and finish strong
the flip side of the coin is you can’t argue with results.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 9:50 AM PDT reply actions
I'll take this current side of the coin
Lamar has a multitude of ways to contribute effectively in any given game, so I’m not too worried about him.
I'll take the current side of the coin
Lamar has a multitude of ways to contribute effectively in any given game, so I’m not too worried about him.
Horay for points!
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Hooray for points!
lol no sleep again
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what's good? I have no idea what you're sayin?
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
quote from dex's article
The point of it is… well, points are the point
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Still looking fo rmy broom........
Its been a while since I needed to use it!!!!!!!!!!
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HA!
yeah its been awhile!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Anybody know when Vujacic will be back?
i heard somebody say he’ll back for the Conference finals against Phoenix.
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it would be nice since....
he was getting on fire before he got hurt!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
he will
Phil said that if there were a game 5 against the Jazz, he’d have been good to go then. Therefore, definitely back for Game One of the WCF
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by Saurav A. Das on May 11, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't the Lakers "resurgence" rather simply explained?
Kobe Bryant got healthier.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Agreed. His explosion/lif are almost completely back.
I predict a trademark posterization coming soon.
Also, all the time he spend deferring while he was hurt seem to have made him crisper with passes. I can’t count the times he hit Fish or Ron on the money this series. Now that his offensive game is back, it opens those passing lanes even more. This is all great. Let’s keep this up Lakers!
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on May 10, 2010 11:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah and the Suns got nobody
to cover him….on NBA TV they was saying the old man would…..really? lol
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Somebody at the Phoenix blog brought up Raja Bell
They think they should sign him just to clothesline Kobe. That’s the only way they will stop him.
By the way, kind of a postscript on that incident – It turns out Raja Bell is a very astute guy, I heard him on Jim Rome a couple times and he really is a great interview. I think he regrets that incident in ’06 though.
By the way, you guys remember this?

NA R.I.P.
by swiss mcgee on May 10, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LMAO!!
loved that dunk!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
How Nash stole those 2 MVP's from Kobe is beyond me..........
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
His team had a much better record
And they also had a bad record when Nash missed games… that seems to wrap up MVP for you these days … Nash is awesome, don’t get me wrong …
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
He is awesome, but not Kobe awesome.
Nobody was a dominant with as little talent as he had on those teams. Kinda sounds like a current player doesnt it.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Yeah he was a
BEAST!! although he was a “ballhogg” in the media.
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody is Kobe awesome
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by Gil Meriken on May 10, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
GREAT
quote Gil!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
NOBODY!!!!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't remind me of that bullshit.
He finished 4th in the MVP voting in 05-06. It just boggles the mind that he finished that low. WTF?! His team was pitiful next season, and that’s putting it mildly, especially defensively; yet he manages waltz their corpses into the playoffs. That team even outplayed their Pythagorean that season. He actually got bumped up to 3rd place when his team was worst than the previous year’s team.
yet lebrons wins his mvps that way
love how the rules change when kobes involved.
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I remember that game
and that dunk. Too bad we lost the series. Damn you Kwame Brown…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
here's a shocker:
Derek fisher 3pt fg%: 43.9%
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in the playoffs
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lol not really!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
As you may know, I like to point out what isn't happening
And what isn’t happening is Spurs players like Duncan, Ginobili, and Parker catching heat for losing to the Suns. Not that they should, but I like to take these opportunities to point out the double standard to show I am not Kobe-crazy.
If Kobe, even at his age, and with injuries, had lost in the second round, there would be so much talk about how he is overrated. Yet not a peep of hatred pointed toward Duncan and company. They have a team stacked with big name players, Parker was a Finals MVP, they even added Richard Jefferson (which people will tell you wasn’t so great, but many didn’t think that before the season began that he would be so ineffective). Again, I don’t think people shouldn’t pile on the Spurs guys, only pointing out it would be a totally different story if it were the Lakers and Kobe.
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*I don't think people should pile on Spurs guys
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by Gil Meriken on May 10, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
but neither parker nor ginobli is veying for the "best player" title
and duncan’s decline is already documented
More Duncan then
And obviously Lebron would catch the same shit if his team lost, so that is unfair treatment as well – stop the hate!
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by Gil Meriken on May 10, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I beg to differ, sir.
Last year after the Cavs lost, LeBron didn’t catch heat. His teammates did. The team won 66 games but they weren’t good enough and he had to do everything himself. Nothing was his fault.
It might be different this year, but I doubt it.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Actually you're right
This year it will be Mike Brown who will be the whipping boy if the Cavs fail to capture the title…
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Yeah, Brown will definitely be a goat this year.
Shaq might catch a little, but he’ll be given a little bit of a pass because of his injured thumb. Otherwise, it’s all good with LeBron. And he’s not leaving Cleveland.
"Prejudice not founded on reason cannot be removed by argument." - Samuel Johnson
Memo to Mike Brown:
Play Big Z. This shit ain’t difficult.
Lebron does no wrong,
so why would he catch any heat?
If the Cavs lose this year, Brown will be fired and everyone in the media will blame it on the elbow.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
i think the spurs deserve to be laughed at
they got swept by the suns lol
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All im sayin...
fisher I salute you…been getting shitted on by damn near everyone all season but you still coming through when we need you to and for that SALUTE!!!! besides that i think everything is rounding into form im a little concerned about drew not really contributing much last game but guess we’ll need him more against the suns…lets get the sweep tonight LAKERS!!!
ps. anyone find it funny/strange how in the jazz last game vs denver williams (gets kinda injured) then last suns game nash (gets injured)…
by purplebloodgoldheart on May 10, 2010 11:47 AM PDT reply actions
I believe Fishers percentages will be sustained
I am not joking. There is no sarcasm in this post. Quote it, put it in your sigs, or frame it above your fireplace.
There exists in the natural realm not one, but two ‘Derek Fisher’s; one is the family man, philanthropic, LA enjoying, WALIT shooting and missing, regular season coasting, out on the town in a friendly manner, might show up on your house-wives favorite morning tv talk show Derek Fisher. The other Derek Fisher figured the NBA out a long time ago, the other Derek Fisher is only visible when you look at his solid, flabless, frame, his crisp form on his jump shot and his always well put together demeanor. The other Derek Fisher showed up halfway through a Jazz game and put ice on a Warrior team that had just knocked out the #1 seeded Mavericks, the other Fish knocked down the most pivotal three in last years playoffs, the other Fish put a stake in the heart of the San Antonio Spurs with one of his first displays of three point brilliance, the other Derek fed an intolerably dirty Russell Brand lookalike a healthy serving of the Staples center floor and with that spelled out how unlikely it would be for his LA team to back down physically from Anyone, the other Fish is old, wily, and INTANGIBLY important to leading the Lakers team, and calming/focusing our one and only Kobe Bryant.
There are two Derek Fishers, and I love them both.
If there are three Lakers I grew up watching, it was Shaq, Fish, and Kobe. Kobe is the most talented, Fish has the best character, and Shaq is the most disappointing yet charismatic.
There are also two "Jevon O"s
And it seems, both of them like to write in a manner that lends itself to multiple sentence structure complexity mistakes.
Forgive both of us.
I like you.......
the other guy is a dick though…..
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Greetings from Phoenix
I am a Suns fan since 1990, and I must admit that I hate the Lakers with every inch of my being. That being said, I’m here to put my best foot forward and give a hearty “Game On” to all of you, provided you dispatch the mismatched Jazz.
I won’t regale you guys with all that “the Suns are better than you think” or “nobody respects us” nonsense. I’m hoping for a great series and I think we’re gonna get one.
Happy hunting.
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- Goran Dragic
yeah.....
great for 6 games!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I assume you mean Lakers in 6? You may be right, their frontline is one of the best of all time. The Suns will have outhustle and outwork them to win, there’s no way they can physically match up with them.
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If Phoenix can connect from range
than the lakers are in trouble. Personally i think Jason Richardson is going to give us hell.
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naw i dont think so.....
if he does ron ron will blanket the fool!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
nah, probably another bench player is going to have a career night
maybe the pony tail guy this time (sorry, forgot his name)
Ron Artest is a better defender than Richardson is a scorer
I understand your logic, it’s a bit flawed though. The game will be decided from the inside out not the other way around. The only reason they’ve been good from long distance is Amar’e Stoudamire. Tim Duncan isn’t the defender he was once was. Amar’e will have problems with Gasol, Bynum and Odom on the block.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you guys think Artest will be guarding Rich?
I thought Kobe usually drew the toughest perimeter assignment on D, so wouldn’t he guard Rich?
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- Goran Dragic
Artest usually takes that assignment nowadays
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damn skippy!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
So that would put Kobe on Hill, then?
Hill will most likely be covering Kobe on the other end, too. A couple of the first “Next Jordans” going at it over a decade later.
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lol
too funny
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Hot tub style? lol
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
yes sir! and agreed wit ya
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's Ok we have a guy who takes care of "The Suns are better than you think"
Named Timbo … at least, he used to come around, haven’t seen him lately …
Plus, nice try, distracting us from the current series, we fans can’t be looking forward, there’s still a series to finish!!!
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who, besides Laker fans, doesnt hate the Lakers with every inch of their being.
it gets old. sorry we win so much.
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by LakersFoEva on May 10, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LakersFoEva
RMason was trying to be nice. Please welcome him to SS&R.
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I was.
I just dont think every new blogger to SS&R, that supports another team, has to tell us that they hate the Lakers with “every inch of their being.” Ive heard that alot the last couple weeks with some visits from fans of other teams. Just come in, say hi and who you supprt and well chat bball.
Oh, BTW. Welcome.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
LOL FoEva!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, how about this.
I hate the Lakers with every centimeter of my essence.
Seriously though, I thought Lakers fans enjoyed hearing stuff like that, it wasn’t meant to irk anyone.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
oh yeah we dig it!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point, I think most Lakers fans are slightly exasperated by all the "hate"
Thrown about, especially when so much of it is grossly unoriginal and boring.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I guess I can relate
Being a Suns fan and constantly hearing about “not playing defense.” Same thing, it’s unoriginal and boring and most people are just repeating what they’ve heard on ESPN.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
jJst unneeded information, IMO.
coo, you like the Suns. We’ll most likely see you in the next round.
It just seems that the “bandwagon” is to now hate the Lakers. Why would a Suns fan since 1990 hate the Lakers with every “centimeter of his essence?” How many times have we eliminated you from the playoffs in those years: 1 time in 99-00. How many times have you beaten us in the playoffs in those years: 3 times in 92-93, 05-06, 06-07. Seems like we should have more hate for you. Just my opinion.
Im not saying you dont have the write to hate us, but is it really necessary to express it here, and it just seems like everyone is hating the lakers because its the popular thing to do.
*Didnt mean to make it feel like I was upset a RMason. Ive just heard it a lot recently, and a couple times the person had no reason for their hate. They were just hating because it was the cool thing to do.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
** jJst = Just
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
** write = right
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Also
That was the only negative part of my post and it was just their to preface my showing of good will.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
and the spelling goes by way of the FAT finger
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Understood, my friend.
The reason for me initially saying that was to show that despite my ill feelings toward them, I do respect them.
Otherwise I wouldn’t have posted here in the first place.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
Not trying to chase you away.
We love people from other teams comign here and chating basketball. Especially when we, most likely, will be playing each other in the next round.
I guess I just got rubbed the wrong way, recently, by some fans of other teams who said they hated the Lakers, but had no reasoning behind it when I wasked them why.
Feel free to stay, and keep coming back throughout the WCF.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Glad to hear
I wouldn’t disrespect your site by ragging on your team over here, and if any Suns fans do, tell them to STFU, and then tell them a second time for me.
Cheers.
"Let's go to the Finals, coach."
- Goran Dragic
BTW, is there a reason for all your Hate?!?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
he's a suns fan
that should be enough, I think.
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
i think its a big rivarly
just between those 2 teams we are in the same division and conference
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Slow down!
Heh, almost game time!
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
i dont mind hate or smack talk against the lakers
as long as within the basketball boundaries… for example kobe is a raper. it has nothing to do with basketball and makes fan look like sore losers.. you can ridicule kobe for being a ballhog or old or fisher being a flopper or gasol being soft and bynum being injury prone and i have no problem with that because all those are reasonable and can be discuss within the context of basketball… i mean i expect the other team to talk smack and not roll over and act as if they are happy to see their team lose…
what? you an english teacher now
lol kidding.. sure “rapist” my bad… i am a science major so usually dont worry much about spelling as long as the point gets through
the fools that type about Kobe being a rapist and such
are just that…..i dont pay them no mind
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
they're worse than fools, IMO
while at it, how about those fools that wouldn’t even spell our team’s name?
Juvenile or a*hole?
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
daaang! SSR is active...
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on May 10, 2010 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
ACTIVATE!!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
im supposed to be doing some paperwork for the Army
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
BYNUMATE!!!!!!!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
LMWAO!!!!!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
whats the W stand for?
isnt it usually a F?
Laugh My White Ass Off? Laugh My Weeny Ass Off? I dunno…………… just curious.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I think your right on the first one, but
the second one is hilarious!
"E-Coaches are heavy in here tonight! Take E-Sasha and put him on the E-bench on your fantasy league, that’ll show him!" - Jevon O
Big game tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wanna take my broom to work tomorrow, and shwo it to all my fellow Salt Lake City co-workers.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
how big is the broom?
you pushin a truck or SUV? lol
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
big ass white truck......
oh wait, i just meant big ass truck!
LMFWAO!!!!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
haha
at least it’ll fit the broom! S W E E P!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
Laughing my White Ass Off….correct!!
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whoops meant to reply to urs
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Excluding Yankee Fans, Montreal Canadians fans, we get hassle from all corners
Anybody on this blog wanna diss, go for it, heard everything already.
I remember in the 90’s people hating on me being a Laker fan, while everyone was riding Michael’s big dick.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 3:18 PM PDT reply actions
MJ must have a big one .....
with so many people riding! HA!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
lol at this
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Great men are never without flaws, but neither are they without magnificent traits that caused them to rise to such heights.
i was a lakers and sonics fan and i got to see MJ in HD fkin up my teams
still dont forgive thje man
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is he in the Guinness?? haha
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He must be. I know Charles Barkley rides it a lot... Haha!!!!!
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Sir Barkley has since moved on to Lebron.
He needed a new sugar daddy!
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
HA!
Bark should back off Bron till he wins….but then agian he sees so much of himself in Bron i guess
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
i think its so much of Lebron in himself...............
was that too far?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
LMWAO!!
maybe for some
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
LMAO!!
I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.
u struggle with the reply button dont you?
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
Yes im sorry!!
i get so excited my FAT finger ruins it for me!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
no prob, I'm learning blog etiquette as I go along too.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweet!
i was a LONG time reader…but just started posting recently
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
creeping than blogging, that's how it starts. Me too, my man.
Everyone on here is cool!!!!!!!!
C.A and Dex are great man, any questions or suggestions you might have.
BTW, After watching Josh Smith not even chase down that rebound, I’ve given up on him. I thought he was a foxhole guy. I guess I was wrong.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for letting me know
I really have not gotten to talk to C.A. or Dex. But everyone seems cool! I’ve been a Lakers fan since round abouts circa 83 and have loved every minute of it!!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
damn skippy.....
many more days and nites will i post here…..Sarge is now a fixture here!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
at the suns blog
they have already reached the conclusion that lakers are losing in 6… based on performances by people i have never heard of (not being arrogant but its suns we are talking about) and apparently Lakers will get destroyed..
utah fans easily admitted they will lose but damn suns fans are an epitome of arrogance
meh.....
not really a concern of mine….makes me laugh though!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Denver fans said the same shit last year, nothing new.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It is what it is
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
YEAAAAAH BOOOOOOY!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Do they really think that Tim Duncan and Pau Gasol/Andrew Bynum are interchangeable.
Different players, Timmy can’t play the D like he used to.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Even when Timmy was prime.....he isnt 2
players
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
can't say i blame them
i’m arrogant in calling Lakers in 5 :)
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
by Justin N. on May 10, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't blame them
They are high on winning so the future seems bright … to see what they really think, see who’s putting their savings down on what would be a great Suns bet, I’m sure the bookies would give you great odds on the Suns if they play the Lakers in the WCF …
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
listening to pac right now 'God bless the dead', thinking about Utah. R.I.P.
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 3:50 PM PDT reply actions
love some Pac
yo gotta roll got Soldier shit to take care of…..see ya tonite!
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by Sarge Clemins on May 10, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
dayum shit load of ppl here
dont ya’ll have LIVES????
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
not when theirs a laker game tonight
peace out. see yall tomorrow. im not a game thread participator. my comp is too slow.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
and i was under the illusion that we are a better defensive team:
from Bright side of the Sun:
“Spurs ran a stifling defense, and the Lakers just haven’t got the same discipline.
POP pointed out that his team played good defense, just couldn’t do it for 48 minutes. Lakers will play even less defense over 48 minutes.
I almost feel sorry for the Lakers, they think they can win it all, the pundits think they can win it all. They believe what they hear. There playing a weak Jazz team and think there good.
They are about to meet an unstoppable force. Suns 10 man team against there Lakers 7."
I find their optimism hilarious
The gap between the current Spurs team and the ’05, ’07 and even the ’08 teams is so large as to make all comparison meaningless.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
wassup Benjamin!!!!
Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall
by desecrator09 on May 10, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
well...let them have their optimism while they still can...
as long as we know who’ll get the last laugh :p
oh, is that so
only position that suns r better vs lakers is pt guard NASH…every other positions lakrs r better…lakers r bigger and stronger and best closer in the game…lakers also hav artest who’s a lockdown defender that will shutdown grant hill and j richardson…our bigs will beat suns down
If you are looking for lunacy
You can find it easily.
There are some good, reasonable PHX fans over there, too. Nothing wrong with hoping for the best, though.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Jerry Sloan called Kobe Bryant 'Miss America' WTF is he thinking?
by rickfox on May 10, 2010 4:40 PM PDT reply actions
Source, nao
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Okay, that was pretty tame
Not the context I was thinking it would be.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I found the perfect title for tomorrow's credits should we win tonight:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377062/
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
For you college basketball watchers or those bored in general
Feel free to keep track on draft stuff via Ridiculous Upside, and chime in as well.
Their most recent mock draft:
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To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I want Mikhail Torrance and Marcus Blakely. I am sold.
If the Lakers take Torrance, they won’t need Jon Scheyer. Blakely is a REALLY underrated player. He has a high IQ, polished post game, and an extraordinary defender. He played the 4 and 5 in college but he is a three in the NBA. He’ll have to develop that three point shot, but I really want him.
True, but as far as the Lakers are concerned, it's set
Probably won’t be a lot of drama over who is going in the top ten in any case.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
It's almost broom-thirty
come on Lakers put the Jazz out of their misery tonight!
Slower Traffic Keep Right!
The Hawks are horribly limited offensively even though they have a talented team.
The Bulls would put up a better fight than this.
Their halfcourt offense is nonexistent
It was like that during the Bucks series….They have to run or they wont win and Orlando is toooo much for em lol
You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........
The Hawks don't bother, at all, going to Marvin Williams in the post.
Its a damn shame because he’s good down there.
The Magic are such an awful matchup for the hawks
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Lakers lit up the Thunder
And hopefully will silence the Jazz
and hopefully scorch the suns…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
that remembered last year!!
THE LAKERS!!!!!!!!
Turn off the jazz!!!
blew some rockets!!!
Ate some Nuggets!!!
And made the magic disappear!!!
listening to Barkley
talking about how Kobe has been playing in the Tmobile Half time report of the Orlando game is hilarious…. you can hear the hate in his voice lol its like he was expecting Kobe to be done, he’s been riding Lebron’s dick too much cause the mamba’s been back for the past couple weeks and he’s been unstoppable and he’s playing like the best offensive player on the planet
Yeeeah
All during the 1st round he was the main one Crying out “Kobe scoring 30 a night is done” itz over and he’s not the player he was….Which sounded kinda odd considering Kobe was a beast in the 1sthalf of the season lol I like Charles but sometimes i think he talks just to hear himself speak
You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........
Is it real? was dead for me too
For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
i can feel it in the night
could jus be because my rooms smokey
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poor hawks
they are simply over matched….

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
u dont know how funny and how hard i laughed when they said
“Get the snitch” in that movie ah god it was funny
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