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Don't tell Adam Morrison his name is synonomous with Game Over

*(Editor's Note: This is actually C.A.'s post.  I'm only posting it for him, since he's at work.)

Round these parts, we have a lovable pet name for Adam Morrison:  The Human White Flag.  Whenever he's inserted into a game, it's a clear signal from the coaching staff that they have no intent to pursue victory.  He is the personification of surrender.  Or, he can be inserted under happy circumstances, when defeat is no longer plausible.  Either way, his presence on the court can only mean that the completion of the game is a mere formality.
 
At only 23 games played on the season, I would venture a guess that Etan Thomas fills much of the same role for the OKC Thunder.  Which makes the events which ensued in last night's game that much more hilarious.  At the 3:28 mark of the 4th quarter, with the Lakers sporting a 27 point lead, Etan Thomas grabbed an offensive rebound and went up for what looked to be an easy dunk attempt.  Instead, AMMO channeled his inner Lee Corso ("Not so fast, my friend") and grabbed Thomas, throwing him to the ground, the definition of a hard playoff foul.  Thomas responded by getting in AMMO's face, and the players needed to be separated by bemused teammates and officials.
 
In other words, the Human White Flags refuse to surrender.  Cue irony ... now.

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Hell yeasssss!!!

Even the last man off the bench wont give in…..wont SURRENDER!! Great post CA!

I don't do it for your thanks, I do it because I had a calling, but I do love the support you give me and my Soldiers.

by Sarge Clemins on Apr 28, 2010 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Its all because Brian Shaw gave Ammo a little pep talk about protecting the paint before he went into the game.........

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on Apr 28, 2010 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

+1

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by Czheck on Apr 28, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dammit I wish I had a quality video editor…this is begging for a slow mo close up ‘where amazing happens’ NBA commercial with the intense music….

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 28, 2010 5:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Gotta love ammo…

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 28, 2010 5:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Is that the picture of Sasha and Adam getting into a fight during practice?

"Basketball, unlike football with its prescribed routes, is an improvisational game, similar to jazz. If someone drops a note, someone else must step into the vacuum and drive the beat that sustains the team."
- Phil Jackson

"I have my own identity ... The whole Michael thing does drive me nuts sometimes because people won't leave it alone. He's bald, I have hair. He's almost 40, I'm 22. Seriously though, I wish people would let it be and let me just be Kobe."
- Kobe Bryant

by Kalifornia-Dreamin on Apr 28, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah…

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 29, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

ahah never seen an actual picture of that before, thanks.

"Basketball, unlike football with its prescribed routes, is an improvisational game, similar to jazz. If someone drops a note, someone else must step into the vacuum and drive the beat that sustains the team."
- Phil Jackson

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
- Kobe Bryant

by Kalifornia-Dreamin on Apr 29, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, I would imagine it had something to do with either hair, mustaches, or both.

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 29, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow! This Hawks-Bucks game is crazy good.

Bucks have the lead with about a minute left.

by E-ROC on Apr 28, 2010 7:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Bucks won

honestly didn’t see that coming. I think they’ll take the series now and pose absolutely 0 threat to the Magic

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Apr 28, 2010 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Easiest 1st 2 rounds for the Magic.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on Apr 29, 2010 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

pretty much

they win this series and its a cakewalk for the magic back to the ECF.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Apr 28, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dunno if thats a good thing for them

they might need to get challenged more to get ready for Cleveland but maybe it wont matter.

Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall

by desecrator09 on Apr 28, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am of the opinion that facing some adversity early on in the playoffs can be a very good thing, as long as it doesn’t involve overcoming injuries.

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 28, 2010 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

IF the Cavs get there....

Even if they make it past Boston, he’s liable to not even have a right arm after the series. The C’s are gonna yank, hit, scratch, claw, bite and maybe even step on his elbow if he says on the ground long enuff.. …That’s what i would do especially in the playoffs. If i was playing against Kobe his finger would be the number 1 target if i fouled him……

You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........

by EmmCeee on Apr 28, 2010 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I grew up watching the Bad Boys, Showtime Lakers, and those Tough as hell Knick teams

where there was no Flagrant fouls and you got up shot ya freebies and kept it movin…….Not the universally soft play there is now..

You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........

by EmmCeee on Apr 28, 2010 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

He’s fine, trust me.

I think he is hurt, but not really any more than anyone else playing big time playoff minutes. LBJ also loves any and all extra attention. Nothing else really explains why he made a perfectly good free throw with his right arm and then seconds later shot the next one lefty. Again, I think his elbow is certainly bothering him, but fans and the media are doing the typical ‘lebron over exaggerate everything.’

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 28, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL I would still hit em in it a cpl times in the 1st quarter just ta see

It’s only a foul !

You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........

by EmmCeee on Apr 28, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably, but hey, I thought the Bucks would be a cakewalk for Atlanta with all their injuries. It was the only series I really was convinced was going to be a sweep.

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 28, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

The amount of mileage Skiles gets out of aging role players

Is amazing. It’s reminiscent of Larry Brown.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Bucks won @ Atlanta. That is awesome.

Nice choke job by the Hawks with their fake toughness and physicality.

by E-ROC on Apr 28, 2010 7:48 PM PDT reply actions  

…and now they head back to the BC…

buuuuuh! --mooncamping

by johnnyphoenix on Apr 28, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thomas is lucky he survived

With Brian Shaw and Adam Morrison in the same building thats a whole ton of mythical powers i wouldnt want to mess with ask this small town what happened

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by Czheck on Apr 28, 2010 8:52 PM PDT reply actions  

lol at the kid who gets dunked on by kobe at end of video

that face was priceless,he was like wow a HOF just dunked on me. salty. lol great video!

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by Czheck on Apr 28, 2010 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Off Topic Re: ESPN BS Report rumour: Bosh for Bynum already done?

On the BS Report today, Bill Simmons and Marc Stein kicked around some things they’d heard around the league. These are just rumours, and unsubstantiated ones at that.

Simmons claimed that he had heard from a “very connected person” who heard from another “very connected person” that the Bosh-Bynum deal is done. Actually done, already agreed upon. Even he seemed a bit skeptical.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1006891&sid=f1ea1f660b18eb2e17825a09127602fc#p23230814

I think he heard it from one of the Laker’s girls who heard it from dancing Berry.

by Buddahfan on Apr 28, 2010 9:19 PM PDT reply actions  

lol.. In the regular season or in the off season this type of rumor

would be a huge story or would cause a lot of discussion like other similar rumors in the past. As for now, I am only concerned about Fridays game. But I appreciate the link/rumor. It will give us something to talk about before friday.

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Apr 28, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

We did have a huge discussion

http://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2010/1/11/1244964/a-beginners-guide-to-the-bynum

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually there were several who were huge..

but I defenitely remember the one you linked. That rumor will never go away.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

"The fact that the Lakers have played to such a high level even through the injuries is a testament to their skill, abilities, and resiliency." - 99bc99

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Apr 29, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's funny how the Toronto Fans are like Yeah

I’d be Happy with Bynum lol No Way! Ive said it before and i’ll say it a million times Gasol and Bosh would not work but Bosh and Bynum would be quite intimidating…Throw in Belinelli and then they’re really talking bout sumn lol We win a title this year the only thing the Lakers are gonna get is a PG and shooter.

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by EmmCeee on Apr 28, 2010 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Offensively, it could be devastating

Although Gasol can switch between the low block and the high post pretty easily, I’d argue he’s more effective from the former because he has more moves he can rely on. Bosh is utterly dominating from the high post, where he can shoot from midrange, drive (and draw lots of fouls), and even pull up for threes every so and then. It would also restore a lot of our spacing because both of them can stretch the floor.

The question is how we deal with it defensively, although Bosh is a pretty good defender from the four spot, especially against the pick-and-roll. Bosh-Gasol would also be a very mobile frontcourt (ergo, lots and lots of switching).

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

I think either trade would require going out and getting a serviceable backup Big Man who can play the 4 and 5 as i dont see Bosh playing the 5 that much….Then again it would be an even bigger mismatch with his ability to put the ball on the floor. There isnt a center in the league that can guard him and they would hafta come out and respect his mid-range J…I would look long-term and trade Pau. we would get younger and more athletic

You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........

by EmmCeee on Apr 29, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that Gasol is probably the better long-term choice to deal

That said, if the offer is on the table, I’d take it and run. Bosh can play center against 95% of the centers of the league, and the shortlist of ones he’d have trouble against (Shaq, although it would be hilarious to see Shaq try to check Bosh on the perimeter; Howard, although Bosh checks him surprisingly well; and Bogut, who is the biggest mismatch of the bunch, but not by that much) is pretty small.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

You have a point

Both possibilities have alot of pros and cons….I might be a lil biased since i’ve never been a Big Gasol fan. I respect his game and skillz but cringe at him playing Center for a whole season lol On the other hand im a Huge Bosh fan and would love to see the kid in a Laker uni especially if they sent Bellineli along with him

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by EmmCeee on Apr 29, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bosh is certainly more of a competitor than Bynum

however, there just aren’t enough shots in a game for Bosh, Gasol, AND Kobe. We’re talking about two 25+ ppg guys and a 20 ppg guy.

Would not pull the trigger on that. What we need is to find some young talent to help us off the bench. Shooting and Defense please.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Apr 28, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ask Colangelo for Bellinelli and Banks

And send him Vujacic’s expiring. Shooting and defense. Problem solved.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Err, it was the other way around

Colangelo offered Banks and Patrick O’Bryant for Powell and Vujacic. Kupchak didn’t bite.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha

Yeah, he probably should have bit on that one.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont want bosh

at all. im sure many agree. didnt we see what happened when gasol played center? lets not go back to the dark ages. Bosh is older and thats the last thing we need to get is older and softer. Bynum for the win

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by Czheck on Apr 28, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only center I would want to trade Bynum for is Dwight.....

and that aint happening.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on Apr 29, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Err, Simmons reported this?

Line of bullcrap. And I completely welcome anyone to call me out if it actually happens. It’s nothing more than attention-grabbing material.

That said, the trade does have its merits, as we discussed ad nauseam when the Vescey rumors came out. Bosh-Gasol would be an utterly ridiculous pairing on offense. We would lose something on defense (although between the two, they could just switch a lot) without Bynum’s interior presence (which has a lot to do with why we were the top team in defensive efficiency for most of the year), but Bosh alone would be enough to catapult this team to a top three mark in offensive efficiency, and IMO, that is worth it.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

originally I was all for trading Bynum for Bosh but I'm torn.

Bynum is looking better and better then he ever has going into the playoffs. Either way, the Lakers won a title because of the height and length that bynum and gasol provide for this team and that would be lost. But at the same time I haven’t seen Bosh (besides the beijing olympics) play that much to make a good call on his game. And the things that I complain about Bynum which are lack of effor on D, passion and heart those are things Bosh does consistently.

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Apr 29, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ive said back then and ima say once again...NO WAY i trade BYnum

no way no way no way…No way in hell lol I think i had said something about it one of my 1st times commenting on here and it may have been Mr. Fishmore (radio personality) who broke it down as to the pro’s of having a Bosh Bynum lineup

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by EmmCeee on Apr 29, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

dont do it mitch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efsJwJxYEk&playnext_from=TL&videos=g2xOzpKK2AM

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by Czheck on Apr 29, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nuggets won

To be honest i was kind of rooting for them tonight. Lakers need as much rest as possible going into the next series (if they win, of course).

Here’s something interesting: who presents an easier match-up for the Lakers? Both teams seem beat up now (Nene and JR both left the game injured). Both present matchup issues at the PG (who doesn’t), yet for whatever reason the Lakers seem a lot better at containing D.Will.

I think it really depends on if Nene plays or not. If he does, I prefer Utah because Boozer/whoever doesn’t measure up to Gasol/Bynum like Anderson/Nene/Kmart seem to be able to.

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by Justin N. on Apr 28, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Utah matches up horribly with us

Because they simply can’t contain our frontcourt. Odom has torched them in the past, and there’s no way Boozer guards Gasol consistently. Denver is diminished, but there’s still a lot of things on that team I’d rather not face (Melo, Billups, Lawson).

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

For whatever reason Chauncey actually scares me more than D.Will. Denver’s three ball can just absolutely kill us, while Utah will try to “grind it out” with us and unavoidably fail.

Odom showing up for a little while would be nice too

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Apr 29, 2010 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

And for everyone thinking about our point guard problem

I invite you to look at Luke Ridnour’s play in today’s game.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

I was thinking EXACTLY that

as I watched the Bucks game. Haven’t seen the guy too much. Can he defend?

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by Justin N. on Apr 29, 2010 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's undersized, but he can at least move his feet

Which is a massive improvement on Fisher.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Id prefer a Raymond Felton type player, someone like hmmm……Raymond Felton. aha

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- Phil Jackson

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
- Kobe Bryant

by Kalifornia-Dreamin on Apr 29, 2010 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

AND he's shooting a high fg and 3pt %

he really fits a far as offense and his d is better than Fisher’s. He could imptove our offense by hitting shots and our D cuz he can actually move lol

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by EmmCeee on Apr 29, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

and morrow

hehe

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by Czheck on Apr 29, 2010 5:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Id go with just getting Morrow and Watson.

Both of em can shoot lights out and both are young and quick.

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by LakersFoEva on Apr 29, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

If a team actually manages to nab either of them away from GS, I'll be surprised

They’re right in the range of “too good to lowball and have GS match without thinking and not good enough to highball and overpay.”

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Apr 29, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could go with either or

There’s actually quite a few shooters and big men that would fit quite well in the triangle…I like Haslem as a backup PF/C and maybe ridnour, Blake or Watson for the point…..hell Mike Miller is a free agent too and could do the backup sg/sf if he didnt want to much money

You can tell the true greatness of a team by how they respond to adversity........

by EmmCeee on Apr 29, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

as far as pure shooters, who can come off the bench.....

korver is a free agent. I dont expect he would be that expensive either.

Kapono is also a free agent but im not sure how is game has been in recent years.

"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman

by LakersFoEva on Apr 29, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Korver is a free-agent and would be nice as well

Kapono has a player option and i dont figure he’ll opt out to take less than the 5 million he’s due ta make

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by EmmCeee on Apr 29, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

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