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Triangle is history — and so are we???

Never mind losing three in a row, the real issue is that our highly vaunted offense is an increasingly distant memory. I don't know if it's Artest that clogs it up, or Bynum and Gasol not communicating, or Kobe taking on the world by himself — but we have to admit that the triangle is not what it used to be.

Teams seem more and more able to disrupt our offensive flow, or we just can't get into one. If what we saw today was any indication, this team isn't the baddest collection of pickup players around. If we just play "whatever" ball, with no scheme, then we're going to get beat.

The ABC-TV crew is really hard to listen to but they made one good point today: Without the 20 turnovers the Magic would have blown the Lakers off the court. This was an easy 110-95 kind of game, but Orlando's bumbling kept us in it.

I don't see us taking down either Cleveland or Orlando, and maybe not even Boston if we manage to get out of the West. That said, I think both Dallas and Denver will beat the Lakers if we continue to play this way. The Lakers might not even have home court throughout the conference playoffs.

The Lakers "aura" is gone now. Everybody knows that they have a chance to win. There won't be any "deer in the headlights" teams this year. We used to win some playoff series before they even began, when there was no hope on the other side. We may still have the best record but, in reality, we're just another contender in the West. It's going to be a monster task just to get to the finals. If we do, what might we have left in the tank?

Fisher looked decent today and Kobe is Kobe. Other than that, WHO IS PLAYING AT PLAYOFF LEVEL???

Jackson has 18 games to figure something out, to get them ready.

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All of a sudden the Triangle doesn’t work anymore? And who is to say that the 20 turnovers weren’t forced by Lakers D?

I will agree that something isn’t working right. In my opinion it’s the battle of the bigs. They’re both too offensive minded and can’t get a flow working together. Add to that the fact that nobody seems to be shooting well offensively and Artest is trying to fit in and get his piece of the pie like everybody else and it’s just not been effective.

I think it can be effective, it’s won Phil how many titles? I think it has to do more with cutting to the basket, making the open shot, and possibly switching up the starting lineup. Drew or Pau off the bench? Do we have to go that far?

I have confidence that our team will hit their stride in the playoffs. For all the crappy shooting we’ve seen recently we are due some good shooting games.

We lost by two points, remember, and had a chance when the world’s best basketball taking the last shot of the game.

by 99bc99 on Mar 7, 2010 6:06 PM PST reply actions  

It's the implementation that's the problem

You’re right, it’s not the triangle that is the key issue — but instead, how we use it. We look increasingly disjointed. Like I wrote above, I don’t know who is most to blame for this and that’s not important. Let’s just fix it…NOW.

Kobe looks around and sees people just looking back at him, and what else is he going to do but throw up a shot?

Today, I’d have been just as comfortable with Kobe driving and kicking out to Fisher for a possible buzzer-beater three.

There is certainly time and the Lakers may well flip the switch in April and become the 2009 team again. But, reality interjects and reminds us that after 65 games, you pretty much are what you are — and it’s doubtful that a team will be able to change their basic character.

With the notable exception of a couple of them, these guys seem to be channeling Shaq’s approach to the regular season, that it doesn’t really matter.

I don’t want a game 7 in Denver or Dallas, as this team hasn’t shown that they’re the road warriors who can go in and suck the life out of an opposing arena.

Anyway, just ,y .02.

by LakersFan2009 on Mar 7, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Not to put the blame on anyone but....

Artest, although a really good defender, is absolutely terrible on offense

"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant" - Kobe Bryant

by Hdg23 on Mar 7, 2010 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

well to be fair

it isnt his job to be a big offensive contributor like Pau, its just to play good defense on the opposing team’s best player for the most part…

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Mar 7, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

True

Artest must be forced to learn the triangle offense, this is not a blame, just a fix.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gil Meriken on Mar 7, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that he's bad on offense

The problem is fitting into the system, and that hasn’t fully happened yet. If anything, I’d want him to make more cuts to the basket to receive passes from Gasol, as we had a stretch of a few games in which he was making those at will.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Mar 8, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

it's not so much a trouble of not fitting in anymore

his shot is just off. it ain’t the triangle’s fault if he can’t hit wide open 3s or miss FTs…

by Nostance on Mar 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

plus he's screwing up a ton of easy layups/ shots close to the rim

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Mar 8, 2010 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

If by missing you mean getting packed

Swatted, rejected… yeah he’s missing those shots. I swear, the ball boy could swat Ron right now. Time to reject those bad shoes and keep working on his weight.

by 99bc99 on Mar 8, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the triangle's fault

We’re getting the open looks the triangle is supposed to create. Our guys just don’t hit the open shots. Eventually Kobe gets frustrated and stops dishing to guys that put up bricks. He is then forced to play the iso game.

Other teams seem to have guys who can make open shots. We’re lucky if we get one guy outside Kobe to shoot on any given night. Meanwhile our defense is vulnerable to dribble penetration no matter who’s playing the point, and that creates open shots for the opponents.

Funny thing is, the guys are still good enough to stay in games, and throw up a big run in the fourth. But we’re always playing from too far behind lately.

by celticandlakerfanreally on Mar 7, 2010 8:39 PM PST reply actions  

wow

why is everyone throwing in the towel? cleveland also had a 3 game losing streak this year. we are still number 1 in the west and will remain there. Dallas is without jason terry for awhile and denver’s kenyon martin is also out for awhile and spurs’ tony parker out ofr 6 weeks. IM SICK OF BANDWAGON FANS

by hrghori on Mar 7, 2010 10:07 PM PST reply actions  

"bandwagon fans"???

Just because someone points out an obvious weakness doesn’t mean they throw in the towel. A good forum is like objective reporting — we’re not “homers” in the respect that we don’t just drink the kool-aid and say everything is wonderful. Some people call ’em as they see ’em.

I attended Lakers games at the Sports Arena, shagged balls a few times for Jerry West when he was rehabbing, would walk up to Chick Hearn when he was bald (before the hair club, plugs, or whatever he did), and suffered through every loss to Boston. I’ve been there for every shining moment and every heartbreak, all the way back to Frank Selvy’s rim out at the end in the 7th game in the Boston Garden almost 50 years ago.

Bandwagon?

Better find someplace else for that trash, boy.

by LakersFan2009 on Mar 7, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not that the triangle isn't working

It’s that we don’t have the requisite spacing to make it work effectively, namely because our shooters suck. There’s a reason Artest gets five seconds to ponder whether he should make a shot when his feet are set behind the arc and everyone is staring at him. Without spacing, we get extra defenders on our post players, post entry passes become more difficult, and the lane gets swamped by multiple defenders that make it hard on our bigs. E-ROC was pretty much on point in the other thread — we really need Vujacic back, simply because he seems to be the only player who hasn’t completely lost his three-point touch.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Mar 8, 2010 12:09 AM PST reply actions  

i feel the same about the lakers struggles

but i really dont buy where in any kind of trouble. last year we played harder in the reg season because the team was very angry. we dont have anything to be angry about we are pretty much the best team in the nba when we have luke walton playing. hopefully he will get to play again this season i doubt it but i hope to see luke back.

our recent struggles should change in the next 18 games. and then i fully expect us to dominate in the playoffs

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by Czheck on Mar 9, 2010 4:47 AM PST reply actions  

no way

I’m not saying that the Lakers can’t win it all. They can.

But DOMINATE?

There’s no way that this team will dominate anything, except columns, blogs and forums where questionable attitude and unrealized potential are commonly discussed.

Let’s get real here. This team has serious issues and if they repeat it will be by the slimmest of margins only — and there will not be a single playoff series in which we fans will be comfortable.

My personal feeling is that they won’t get out of the first round without a scare, and it will just continue as far as they go.

They played Cleveland and Orlando tough on the road, so that’s a good thing. We know that this Lakers team is capable of winning when they’re focused. However, the thought that there is another gear to these guys and we’re going to see it come April…well…I think that’s fantasy.

They might be healthier and have a stronger rotation, but they are pretty much what they are at this point. The big advantage they will have is crunch time experience. They’re not going to wilt in the fourth quarter of a game 7.

So, we just need to — as they say — buckle up. It’s going to get bumpy … all the way to June.

by LakersFan2009 on Mar 9, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess tonight's game didn't aleviate any of your concerns

Hey, but we won!

Good post btw, I think I have a little more faith right now, but not much, and tonight’s game didn’t do much to help.

by 99bc99 on Mar 9, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

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