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Stray Bullets: Lakers vs. Warriors 3/15

Please don't get  too caught up in the lack of size of the margin of victory last night.  Enjoy the win.  There are no guaranteed wins in sports, especially at the pro level.  No win should be easy.  No matter how you feel about the Lakers play lately, or what they need to do to get rolling.  Wins are the best way to do that.

Personally, I don't think the Lakers cared anything about playing at the Warriors tempo.  Last night marked the 9th straight win over Golden State.  Basically, this team can't beat us.  The Lakers know that, and I think they treat the Warriors games as a reason to pad stats (so to speak).  Playing like that is fun, and fun for fans to watch.  It's even more fun when you can play that way and have about a 2 ft. advantage at every position.  The Lakers toy with Golden State.  Last night played out like most games between the teams.

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  • If you're saying,"But Rob, that's not how Champions should play weak opponents.  We should be crushing them!"  I'd like you to show you the scores from last season:
    Sun, Dec 28     @ LA Lakers     L 113-130
    Wed, Jan 7     LA Lakers     L 106-114    
    Wed, Feb 18     LA Lakers     L 121-129    
    Thu, Mar 19     @ LA Lakers     L 106-114
  • To anyone still worried about the Lakers not completely dominating the Warriors - here's how Golden State has fared against other contenders since New Year's:
    Tue, Jan 5     @ Denver     L 122-123
    Mon, Jan 11     Cleveland     L 114-117
    Wed, Jan 20     Denver                 L 118-123 OT    
    Sun, Jan 31     @ Okla City      L 104-112
    Mon, Feb 8     Dallas               L 117-127
    Fri, Feb 19     Utah                 L 89-100    
    Sun, Feb 21     Atlanta                 W 108-104
    Thu, Feb 25     Denver                 L 112-127   
    Wed, Mar 3     @ Orlando     L 90-117
    Fri, Mar 5     @ Atlanta     L 122-127

    High scores and close games are common occurrences for the Warriors.  Other teams aren't any better against them.  They suck you into their style of play, but that's fine.  They can't win.  They just entertain.
  • Here's Kobe:
    "You just want to get the hell out of here with a win," Bryant said. "You’re not going to see anything remotely close to (the Warriors’ style) in the playoffs. Not even close. So there’s nothing you can gauge in this game. You just get out of here with a win and move on."

    Seems right.
  • That's not to say there weren't things to be concerned about.  Problems lingering that will affect what happens moving forward.  Things that happen no matter the opponent nor importance of game.  Things like...
  • Shannon Brown?  I just don't get him lately.  Or maybe he doesn't get it.  Could someone please tell me why he continually goes under screens when he's defending good shooters?  Or doesn't seem to at least anticipate the screen.  He did this against Stephen Curry.  He did it against Chauncey Billups.  He does it every game. You can debate the problems of Fish all you want, but Fish is 35 y.o. and slow.  What is Shannon's excuse?  His decision making is just terrible at times.
    Never mind that he cannot make a post entry pass to save his life.  I'm getting quite tired of seeing him jack up bad shots in lieu of making the proper, easy, pass to a big man.  Whether he's knocking it down or not, most of the shots are bad ones, only he isn't bringing much else to make up for the poor shot selection, passing, or defense.  Except for bringing another dimension in transition.  he's awfully good at finishing and will try to dunk it most times, either converting or getting the foul called.
  • He did hit two big free throws late too.  Think Pau would have made those?  Me neither.
  • Farmar made a few nice passes last night that Shannon couldn't dream of making.
  • The most baffling thing about Shannon Brown though is the leash, or lack of, that Phil has with him.  I say this because of the short leash PJ has with Sasha Vujacic.  Shannon makes defensive mistake after mistake (in between missing passes and jacking up shots), but Sasha gets yanked after one mistake in 32 seconds?  I don't know what to make of it.  No matter what you think of Sasha, he has the most upside and potential to help out of any of our back up guards, given his good shooting, height, and willingness to defend (except for one man full court pressing and reach in fouls).  One thing you can say about Vujacic is he will fight through screens, or at least see them coming.
    I'd like to think Phil is hard on Sasha because he needs what Sasha can do more than Shannon, and needs Sasha to realize this.  Time's a wastin'.
  • Why does it seem like some unheralded big man has a career night against us every game.  Chris Hunter?  Seriously, Pau?  Drew?  Last game it was Louis Amundsen.  It's no wonder every team thinks they can try to talk trash and punk the Lakers. This is an recurring theme that worries me a little because it encourages team like Denver, Dallas and Cleveland more because the Lakers give up too many soft buckets to guys who should not have an impact.
  • We should have dominated the boards, considering our size advantage and Warriors style of play.  No bonus points there.
  • On offense, Pau looked like Pau of old.  He was hitting his 12-15 ft. shot, breaking out the hook shots with both hands, finding cutters.  The up fakes were there, and he looked in rhythm.  I PRAY this continues for good.  If he would just hit his FT's now...
  • The turnovers are another source of concern.  Usually we see these kjnd of careless turnovers early in the season.  As time goes on, the errant passes turn into crisp and accurate darts that lead to easy buckets and the prettiest offense in basketball.  We haven't seen that this year, and most likely, will not with Bynum starting.  So the turnovers are just sloppy turnovers.
    There have been plenty of games in which we wasted possession after possession in tight games by turning the ball over.  Can we expect them to stop, or is this something we will have to accept as a trait of this team?
  • The main culprit is Kobe.  Normally, I wouldn't be concerned about Mamba.  He's the best adjustment maker in the NBA, maybe history, but he's been getting stripped an awful lot lately.  Plus throwing passes away.  It has to be the hand, and there's no time to fix that now.  So, it's seeming more and more like that's an area where teams know to attack, and it's working for them.
  • It affect the things when refs stop calling the reach in foul, or opponents decide to trap him hard (like Denver).  We know Kobe will sometimes be forceful in his next attempt after getting stripped.  If that foul stops getting called because of his ball handling issues, or teams aren't afraid to trap or maybe  front the post to make a more difficult pass necessary, that limits an awfully lethal weapon in our offense - Kobe's ability to make plays off of posting up.
  • Was it me, or did Fish convert two lay-ups yesterday, including one going coast to coast?  Was I dreaming?
  • Fish's been the subject of posts here at SSR and Forum Blue and Gold in the past few days, and he might be playing his best ball of the year.  Thanks for reading Fish.
  • Now it's time for a "Why Doesn't Shannon Know How to Pass or Go Over on a Screen" or "Phil, Let Sasha Play More" post.  Maybe they'll work too.
  • When ABC/ESPN splits up JVG and Mark Jackson, why do we always get Mark Jackson?
  • Watching players chew on their mouthpiece every time the play stops is so annoying. 
  • Joe Lunardi lied to me and Lamar Odom.  We won't be seeing our Rhode Island Rams play in the NCAA Tournament, and he promised us they were in.  Yet again, No URI, no Michigan.  Filling out my brackets isn't so much fun.

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good post. everything about shannon is spot on. however, i don’t think phil necessarily needs to give sasha more playing time. he does fight through screens better than brown, but his shot selection and defense are just as inconsistent, and his height is irrelevant, because he clearly doesn’t play like he’s 6’7.

btw, monta saved that game for us last night. GS needs to switch his salary with steph curry’s

by callpocket8 on Mar 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Height matter sometimes when it somes to shooters quick to pull the trigger.

A taller defender will deter that just a bit. Especially if he’s willing and able to fight through screens better.

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by wondahbap on Mar 16, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

rofl, i remember when some delusional fans

thought Shannon was a starting PG earlier this year and said hes our future. I was one of the minority that said they’re smoking something. I guess that just speaks to how bad we need a dang PG and how longs its been that we Lakers faithful have seen a decent PG on our team (Nick the Quick was the last one I remember)

by desecrator09 on Mar 16, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

did you guys reads the spears story on Brandon Roy and Kobe?

personally i loved it, but thats mainly because roy is my second favorite player (after kobe). but what do you guys think? can roy become and elite player like lebron and kobe?

If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will most certainly lose.

by akb24b on Mar 16, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

an elite*

If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will most certainly lose.

by akb24b on Mar 16, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just read it. Thanks.

Kobe said:

"He and I were talking over All-Star break, and I told him I don’t know of any player outside of myself that has no weaknesses besides him…"

Zing.

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by wondahbap on Mar 16, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

And
"The thing about scoring is you really don’t have to give a [expletive] because a lot of people will criticize you for doing what you do. That’s when you have to be willing to take that criticism, still play and be aggressive. He’s such a nice, nice kid. I think that’s something that he will have to battle through and struggle with."

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by wondahbap on Mar 16, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

isn't that a compliment to roy?

If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will most certainly lose.

by akb24b on Mar 16, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes.

Kobe was complimenting Roy. I said “Zing” because it’s a shot at others too.

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by wondahbap on Mar 16, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha i get it lol

If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will most certainly lose.

by akb24b on Mar 16, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You've either got it or you don't.

If Roy tries to be Kobe he’ll be in for disappointment. He’s already a great player, but I’m not sure he has the kind of killer instinct to be in Kobe’s arena. It’ll be interesting to see who “fills” Kobe’s shoes when he retires.

by Joshua S on Mar 16, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

wade

when wade is mad he has a crazy killer instinct….

by matthewmafa on Mar 17, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

ROFL ya'll know Jim Rome right?

This is GOLD. Its from 94’ and apparently he had some feud going on with an NFL player named Jim Everett and he called him Chris which was some kind of reference to a female tennis player because he was always dodging hits. Maybe you guys already seen it but for those who havent, its a must see.

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=521

by desecrator09 on Mar 16, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

You must be young . haha.
NFL player named Jim Everett and he called him Chris which was some kind of reference to a female tennis player

Jim Everett played QB for the Rams when they were in LA. Yes, Chris Evert is a Hall of Fame female tennis player.

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by wondahbap on Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rack him!

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by wondahbap on Mar 16, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

HATE. THE. MOUTHPIECE. CHEWING.
Watching players chew on their mouthpiece every time the play stops is so annoying.

Glad to know it’s not just me.

by SoCalGal on Mar 16, 2010 6:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Curry's Cud

I was thinking the same thing last night watching Curry chew his mouth guard like it was gum. He looks like a cow or goat chewing cud.

by Joshua S on Mar 16, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shannon is the only Laker who wears one

and I’m so glad he doesn’t chew it like that. It would be weird to see him gumming up purple and gold.

by SoCalGal on Mar 16, 2010 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

can't stand it

The league banned straw chewing — when are they gonna do something about the gross slobbery mouthpieces which is far worse?

by deadmuse on Mar 17, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the most disgusting thing

is when I see someone hang it from their headband/behind their ear when they’re on the bench. WTF?!

by SoCalGal on Mar 17, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least this stupid spammer threw in a sports reference.

Are you guys that sell this crap for real? Does anyone actually send you money for your knock-off garbage? Get LOST!
Unfortunately I can’t report you from here, but if we ever meet on Yahoo, consider yourself regulated!

by Joshua S on Mar 16, 2010 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Good Points

There’s some great points here, BUT I don’t think this game was as meaningless as everyone seems to try to make it. The Lakers weren’t toying with the Warriors. They were playing pretty hard. Kobe was obviously pissed they couldn’t put them away, other players weren’t too happy either. Warriors haven’t been able to win these past 2 seasons, but I don’t think anyone should be proud about beating a squad full of D-leaguers with constantly changing starting lineups.
If the Warriors had a full squad I would agree with this, but they didn’t. They still took the defending champs and other contenders down to the wire though. Their style is entertaining, but CAN be effective.
I think the biggest proof that this game wasn’t just a relaxing style of play for the Lakers is that ever since last night everyone’s been trying to say how meaningless this game was even though there were plenty like it and noone said anything about them. Let’s give credit to the Warriors where it’s due and stop pretending that the Lakers were almost beat by a team that should have been blown out.

by WolfyBG on Mar 16, 2010 6:31 PM PDT reply actions  

None of the remain games are meaningless.

D-Leaguers and rookies are hungry and last night it showed. The thing I like about Curry is that he picks his spots really well. Shooting, distributing and stepping up when Ellis wasn’t. I agree the W’s deserve some credit for keeping up the energy and keep the Lakers on their toes, but its rare to see a turnover night like last night. It’s a rare present from the Lakers that the W’s failed to capitalize on.

Seeing Nellie stay behind Lenny’s record was an added bonus.

by Joshua S on Mar 16, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, don't think he's gonna get that record this season.

Hell, if he were coaching New Jersey, he wouldn’t get it for another 2 years.

by SoCalGal on Mar 16, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I maintain

that Phil was too quick to reverse Sasha and Shannon’s roles on this team. Basically when Sasha went through a shooting slump early on, Shannon got really hot and Phil put him into the rotation and never looked back. Now that all is said and done, our 3 point shooting on the year is awful and Shannon is no stud himself, shooting about 32.5% on the year.

Even when Sasha was slumping, his % was still up close to 40%. Not to mention even with his quick trigger nature I think Sasha is much better at running the offense. I’d rather have a backup SG shoot contested 3s than contested deep fadeaway 2s.

That being said Sasha still hasn’t learned to defend without fouling which hasn’t helped his cause. Also, how about Kobe’s inability to finish these days? I pray it’s just temporary cause of the ankle.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Mar 16, 2010 6:55 PM PDT reply actions  

i agree, kind of

Anointing Shannon came too early, but we did need to explore new options. Sasha’s “slump” has been ongoing since the Celts vaped us 2 years ago. I hope the Machine starts working again, Shannon was shooting great when Sasha gave us nothing, so he deserved a look.

by deadmuse on Mar 17, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

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