Will the real MVP please stand up?
by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2010 10:16 PM PST
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This is my first fan post so be gentle with me. Last year, the Lakers beat the Cleveland Cavaliers twice, sweeping the season series. At the end of the season, LeBron James was chosen as the league's MVP. This year, the Lakers lost both games to the Cavs and after the second one, some sports writers said Kobe Bryant had lost his chance at MVP this season because of those two losses. I find it interesting that there was never any question of LBJ losing out on his chance to be MVP last year.
To that point, while KB was out for 5 games this season, the Lakers went 4-1, and the sages, er, sports writers again said Kobe proved himself that he wasn't this year's MVP because the team was winning without him. Fast forward to this week and LBJ hasn't played a game due to injury, but will probably return tomorrow. In the time he's been out, his team hasn't lost. Does that mean he's no longer the favorite for MVP?
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My heart says Kobe
but it’s Lebron
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Sorry to say this but they(media) are riding Lebrons balls right now
Thats what the bias is and I hate that, I really, really hate that, they(media) make rules and ways to mold to one player so they can win but disregard another just so he can not win. Kobe Bryant should definitely have more MVP awards then this dude has now and anyone who disagrees is out of there freaking mind, thats right I said it, you are out of your mind. That’s why I choose to no longer care or think of the award as something worthy, they can have that crap, all Kobe needs to do is keep winning championship Rings, 5, 6, 7, 8, keep it going Kobe because they can’t take away that with their bias.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 12, 2010 12:09 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
it's totally true
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by Kobe:The Legend on Mar 12, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
omg i feel ya
wade drops 35 and 12 and lebron didnt even play that night… guess whos on sportscenter… lebron james… didnt even effin play!!!
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by Davone_Is_BessT on Mar 13, 2010 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
great post BrittneyM
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 13, 2010 11:54 PM PST up reply actions
Yes'm!
Thnx!…
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 14, 2010 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks,
The MVP award thing, just brings rage out of me
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
I know..it's bullshit
but hey as long as we are lifting that trophy at the end of the year that is what matters..
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 15, 2010 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
yup thats all I'm hoping for
Lets Go Lakers, get it together
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Does it matter who the MVP is?
I assure you all Kobe cares about is getting the MVP of the finals….
Lebron however is on the verge of lapping the competition, he is not only putting up excellent numbers, but his team is winning! Last year Lebron got it because the Cav’s finished with a better record because both he and Kobe were pretty much neck and neck last year….. This year, not only did the Cavs destroy us in both contests, but his numbers are way better than Kobe’s too
In Kobe we trust!
it does matter to some people
otherwise she wouldnt have made a fan post about it.
tons of season left what if lebron gets injured and misses the rest of the year is he still MVP?
what if kobe breaks the scoring record?
what if the cavs epic fail and the lakers go on a winning streak?
I dont think kobe would be upset if he got MVP
i think socalgal has a valid point.
to say “does it matter who the mvp is” and im going to quote you on this one is “nonsense”
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had KB not been injured mid season
and had he been given equal treatment from the refs,he would have had a strong case,because he was off the charts.
Alas,this is ESPN age,and he really fell off stat wise.But I strongly say that Kobe has been robbed off MVP at least 1 season.
Lebron for this year..
It's LeBron, and it's not even close
No matter how you want to sugarcoat it.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
The media likes stats, team record, and the guy that they just like
lebron is a stat monster
cleveland has the best record
and as we all know, 90% of the media loves lebron
so unless something dramatic happens, they’ll give it to lebron
People keep saying its not even close
But I actually think Durant and Howard are closer to MVP level. Especially because of the defensive presence that Howard brings is almost twice as much as the offense of most of the elite players, but thats my opinion. Also, people overlook the fact that Dirk, Garnett, Duncan weren’t all leading the league with huge PERs and stats like that, and Jordan’s last MVP season PER wasn’t overwhelming either. Its not a statistical race, and from that if reporters opened their eyes it would be closer. Not saying Lebron wouldn’t win if they looked at those things, but other players like your Durants and Wades and Howards would get more looks in their direction if those things were considered. Hell even Karl Malone took an MVP from Jordan at the height of his career.
Giving the MVP to MJ every year would be boring.
If he hadn’t played baseball, and the L didn’t care about giving him the MVP every year, he’d have like 10…
pslakerfan: "Well if you can get in (the Hall of Fame) by being a scorer who doesn't rebound or play defense.....
Then I guess you can get in by being a rebounder and defender who can’t score." referring to Dennis Rodman
I'm agreeing with you
I’m saying that those who say its not a close race aren’t considering other things besides stats that make someone an MVP. I think that other players did deserve it during that time when Jordan was winning his championships.
The MVP is Lebron's again
theres no debate. However I do think that media places too much emphasis on the MVP. To me, Finals MVP is a much more significant and meaningful award, because the finals is the grand stage where players are supposed to show their best.
Now outside of Lebron, the top candidates for MVP are:
1. Melo
2. Kobe
3. Durantula
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
But finals MVP is sometimes fishy, too.
sometimes, a player just happens to go on a very good streak in a few games
or sometimes, the player’s need a talented team to win the finals first.
in any case, I think the point should be that no single award should dictate.
More in baseball or football.
Most of the recent finals MVP’s have been arguably the best players on their team
pslakerfan: "Well if you can get in (the Hall of Fame) by being a scorer who doesn't rebound or play defense.....
Then I guess you can get in by being a rebounder and defender who can’t score." referring to Dennis Rodman
No injuries then Kobe could get it
but I was thinking, without Kobe’s six game winners, the Lakers would be around 4th in the west (not gonna bother figuring it out) That seems pretty valuable. But LeBron got too far ahead at one point. But shaqfor3 and Czheck couldn’t be more right. Kobe would average two points a game if it guaranteed a title.
pslakerfan: "Well if you can get in (the Hall of Fame) by being a scorer who doesn't rebound or play defense.....
Then I guess you can get in by being a rebounder and defender who can’t score." referring to Dennis Rodman
Yeah that was a bit extreme : )
pslakerfan: "Well if you can get in (the Hall of Fame) by being a scorer who doesn't rebound or play defense.....
Then I guess you can get in by being a rebounder and defender who can’t score." referring to Dennis Rodman
We didn’t go undefeated without Lebron, we were 1-1, we lost to Milwaukee and barely beat the Spurs without Parker. Even if we went 2-0 it shouldn’t take away from his mvp candidacy. Just like i think the lakers going 4-1 without Kobe shouldn’t take away from Kobe’s candidacy. It was beyond stupid when some media people suggested the lakers were better without Kobe, they’re not.
But as for who should get MVP, i think Lebron will be a deserving unanimous choice, His numbers are ridiculous and his team has the best record, i don’t see any of the voters voting against him.
I know PER isn’t everything, but imo it’s the best stat to get an overall picture of how someone is playing. Lebron’s is 32 (which if he keeps it there for the rest of the season would make this the greatest individual season in history), noone else is above 28 this season. I don’t know how he gets the mvp by any less than a unanimous decision.
And when people say Lebron’s numbers are inflated for silly reasons like ball hogging or stat padding, people forget the pace at which the cavs play (25th slowest in the league). The fact that his PER is 32 in a system that isn’t designed for numbers like that is mind boggling.
There’s no doubt he will be a 2 time mvp in a couple months, having said that he’d trade both of them for one ring in June in a heartbeat.
I actually agree that Lebron is the MVP.
Hurts to say it, really. I know that Kobe is a more skilled player, but without him the Lakers can still win. Without Lebron, Cleveland is dog-meat.
Lebron is a stat-beast for two reasons. One, the offense rolls through him, slow pace or not, he gets lots of assists and points. Two, he’s a forward, and picks up even more stats with rebounds/blocks. Okay, three reasons, he’s also really athletic and good at basketball.
I think Kobe was shorted a couple of times in the MVP race, but so be it…
I agree 100% on your last point, when he scored 35ppg in 06 he was robbed, as good as Nash is he shouldn’t have got MVP again and Dirk shouldn’t have won in 07 either. When Kobe finally did get it in 08 it should have been the 3rd in his 3peat.
by CavsLebronFan on Mar 12, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
To your point about PER
it has deficiencies. Last year Lebron had a higher PER than D. Wade and Wade had more ppg, a similar fg%, similar ft%, more steals, and similar blocks. The only difference was in the rebs category, and that equated to a significant difference in PER. Thats why I don’t like PER. Wade was killing last year and somehow PER said that Lebron was playing significantly better, meaning more than 1 point above. Same goes for Chris Paul last year, who had even better advanced stats than D. Wade. and 99 answered why Lebron’s PER is so high. Its the same reason why Jordan’s was throught the ‘80s. He’s the end-all be-all on the team no matter how slow they play. He’s going to get his. The system he’s playing in is the only one designed for a player to have numbers like that. Notice Jordan never topped those numbers again once he played in the triangle. Also, notice that the only two players that were close to him are also players that initiate and run things for the entire team.
I do think he deserves MVP, I’m just saying that statistically looking at it only is not the way to look at it. Cuz stats do not take into account systems, games played, and puts too much emphasis on things such as rebounding while not valuing things on defense nearly enough to counter balance the high values of rebounding and asts. Case in point, KG in 04-05 had a monster season. He avgd 24/14/5/2.2blk/1.5stl. Tell me that Lebron’s season this year is significantly better than that season, and I will look at you crazy, in terms of great individual seasons. There’s so many other things that go into this debate that to use PER as the best stat is ridiculous. Case in point, Tracy McGrady had a PER of 31 in 02-03, and didn’t win when only Shaq came close with a 29 and no one else had above 28. And that was when he was T-Mac scoring 50-pt games and all of that. That year Tim Duncan won. Thats why I don’t think that it has to be a unanimous choice. Just saying PER leaders don’t equate to MVPS, another case being Nash’s MVPs. Nash has never been a PER leader like Chris Paul, but Steve Nash is nowhere near a scrub in comparison.
P.S. Jordan’s ‘88-’89 and ‘86-’87 seasons are the greatest individual seasons according to PER. Jordan was better in every category but 3-pt% and ast in ‘88-’89, and his 37 ppg raised his PER rly high in ‘86-’87.
I agree that per isn’t everything. it isn’t perfect, no statistic is. you can’t look at any one stat to get a crystal clear idea of where a player is at.
And looking at someone and saying he has a 32 per isn’t everything. but when you look and see noone else has above 28. thats phenomenal. i don’t think there has ever been a gap that large between 1st and 2nd.
but again, a 32 is a 32, you can’t fake a 32, imperfections and all. if lebron was say a fraction of one point ahead of the rest then yeah, you could make an argument that the way it’s calculated puts him ahead artificially. but when the gap is 4+ points no matter how you’d adjust the calculation he’s significantly ahead of anyone else.
as for the unanimous comment, i base that on the fact that he won 91% of the vote last season, and the way i see it the gap has only widened between him and the rest. i don’t see any voter considering anyone else. some mvp race blogs have even stopped updating. one called the race in january.
by CavsLebronFan on Mar 13, 2010 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
My point was that
McGrady had posted a 31 and no one but Shaq had above a 28 that year as well, and McGrady didn’t win MVP. It was also that the inefficiencies of the system overrate aspects of his game because there have been other statistically dominating seasons from players that don’t get the same PER either due to the system they play in or the position they play at. You can’t fake a 32, but someone who had a 28 season shouldn’t only be three asts/game away from that number. Thats my point, there’s inefficiency there because of how highly rated asts are rewarded over rebs and how overrated asts and rebs are overrated versus the defensive side of the game. That inefficiency creates the stigma that he is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else, and I personally don’t agree with that sentiment.
This is precisely the reason I ignore the MVP
some mvp race blogs have even stopped updating. one called the race in january.
Mainstream reporters, for the most part, are pigheaded fools who formulate an (often ill-based) opinion and stick with it, no matter how much evidence proves they were right.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 14, 2010 1:54 AM PST up reply actions
Championship rings and more rings
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Coaching Staff and GM's should be the one's who choose the MVP...
I will take my chances with them over any media personality. If the reasoning for letting fans pick for the All Star team is because it gives the fans a choice to watch their favorite players why not let those who have a more balanced knowledge of the players they play against day in and day out. Until then the MVP will always have the feeling of picking a prom KIng. It’s just a popularity contest.
That being said, since I don’t care about the MVP, my pick would be Durant or Lebron and reserve the real MVP (Finals MVP) trophy for Kobe. Lebron is the most popular amongst the media so he has it locked for the next 10 years unless something miraculous happens and Kobe wins the media over or Stern realizes what a sham the voting system is.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 14, 2010 6:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
You know what gets me the most, not that Lebron will continue to win MVP awards but that Steve freaking Nash will end up with more MVP’s then Kobe, just think about that for a moment…for everything Kobe has accomplished, for all the moves, records and other awards he has racked up. He will only have 1 MVP to show for it, only ONE that should tell all fans not just Kobe fans or Laker fans and even the haters that this award means nothing, nada, stands for nothing a player does.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
that is even worst
about Steve Nash. He has never gone past the Conference Finals.. I know where you are coming from because it is fruustrating
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 16, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
There's lots of reasons Nash didn't deserve his second MVP
But saying he never went to the Finals isn’t one of them.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
humm
I wonder what the hell they would say if Kobe gets 6 rings…i’m SURE they will find away to dwn play it….I SWEAR THEY KILL ME….it sucks….haters
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