I'll give you Ten Reasons (non Resume) Why Kobe is Better Than LeBron.
Since so many people rec'd it and suggested it should be it's own fanpost, here it is (late and all). It's pretty much the exact same thing I wrote, so If you already read it, don't bother! I'd rather you bask in the epic diaper battle between Matt Barnes and Lamar Odom.
Also, big ups to Ico24 whose fanpost inspired whatever I wrote.
Also, this is all my opinion, and I want it to be clear that I love and respect LeBron James' game.
Here are the ten reasons, in order of importance(some of these might be filler, but dominance entails many aspects) why Kobe is better than LeBron James, even as he ages :
10. The Kicks:

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Yeah, they’re important to fans.
9. The Number.
He’s the NBA’s Jack Bauer.


Almost literally. LeBron is just now realizing he’s been wearing MJ’s jersey.
8. The Franchise.
He’s had to live up to the expectations set forth by the NBA Logo, and the greatest showman the game has ever seen. Guess what? He embraces it. Some might see this as a resume thing, but I don’t think it is. I think it’s something that he deals with everyday.
To excel and make the fanbase of one of the most, if not the most storied franchise in all professional sports, question whether or not he has surpassed the greatest icons in our history, not just resume wise but as far as impact, is truly remarkable. Undeniable. And he’s not done yet.
LeBron is already the best player in the history of that team, and thus the respect and adulation given to him is earned, yes, but not with as large a climb as Kobe goes through.
7. The Personality.
Kobe, by almost all accounts, is a polarizing figure. You either love his tenacity, his drive, or you hate it and mistake his confidence for arrogance. What wins it for me? He doesn’t care. No matter what you say, he doesn’t care.
Why is that commendable? Because quite honestly, LeBron is much more likable from an objective standpoint. Hell, how can you not laugh and like this kid while he does this?
At the end of the day however, I prefer Kobe’s demeanor. I love that the guy loves to be hated. I love that he lets it fuel him. I love that his approval rating is in championship trophies, not ESPN spotlights.
I love LeBron’s personality as well, but I’m just not sure I want that much Mark Madsen in my superstar forward.
6. The Aesthetic.
Let me bring in a football reference really quick. I’m a Rams fan (save your jeers, I know we suck). At the very least during these trying years, I’ve been witness to the brutality Steven Jackson (2nd in the league in rushing last season on a 1-15 team) dishes to opposing defenses. It is quite beautiful. As great a back as he is, the way he does it can never be as beautiful as the way Marshall Faulk(Hall of Fame Class 2011/12) used to do it.
Kobe is Marshall Faulk in this scenario. LeBron is more of the bruiser, the Steven Jackson in this case. The way he does it is so much more aesthetically appealing. Which brings me to:
5. The Arsenal.
Watch the video. It’s one of my favorite Kobe videos ever, appropriately titled “Clinic.”
Let’s take LeBron out of the question really fast and ask, what could Jordan do on the court that Kobe cannot? Hell, I’m not sure I ever saw Jordan do this. Every jab step, pump fake, spin move, crossover, layup, mid air adjustment, fadeaway, bank shot, the footwork. Every single aspect of the game, offensively and defensively has been studied and perfected by this craftsman we know as the “Mamba.” LeBron’s repertoire is, let’s say, a little more condensed.
4. The System.
The biggest argument LeBron lovers/fans (funny how I’m a fan too) have is that LeBron is a better player because of the statline. Let’s face it, if you look at the numbers, it’s LeBron.
But hey? Let’s see numbers and systems in the NFL. Last season, Matt Schaub threw for 270 more yards than Peyton Manning did, with a Quarteback rating just a point below Manning’s. Manning was only sixth in overall QB rating. Schaub also threw for about 400 more yards on the year than eventual Superbowl MVP Drew Brees.
Does anyone here still think he’s better than Manning or Brees?
Honestly, all it takes to clarify the slightly lower production on Kobe’s part is the classic Ice Cube explanation.
I really couldn’t have said it any better, well, without the cursing and all.
I would’ve probably said “I don’t want to hear about that shit” as well though. :)
3. Kobe Doin’ Work.
I think the Spike Lee documentary was fascinating. He’s the general. He is the leader. This team has it’s lulls, as do all good teams. But that guy will be the first person to tell you that the team needs to work harder, and you can bet this team will be ready come playoffs because of Kobe and Phil. The IQ Kobe has on the court, I just marvel at it. Maybe LeBron does the same things, but I just can’t envision it. I always saw this from Kobe, the doc just gave me a clearer lens (and a a hearing aid).
2. The Defense.
I’ve heard complaints about Kobe being too much of a roamer/free safety defender lately, but in reality it’s just him playing the percentages. He knows when to crank it up and in which situations to do this.
I still don’t see LeBron doing it actively enough. I’ve watched at least 20 of his games this year, non-Laker related, and there’s a reason that if you Youtube “LeBron James Lockdown Defense,” the first 4 videos are Kobe Bryant related (seriously, try it). Sure, if you youtube “LeBron James blocks (insert name),” you’ll get plenty of results, and the blocks/steals are a big part of defense as well, but they aren’t the whole package that Kobe brings to the table.
Spiking a ball 20 rows into the stands doesn’t prove you’re a great defender. Kobe does it as well. LeBron is improving, but he’s not there yet on that front.
1. The Clutch.
He’s missed a few, but damnit, if there’s any aspect where these two are night and day, it’s clutch situations. I’m not even talking stats. How many times has Kobe straight bailed us? I won’t even put the 6 or 7 Youtube videos from this season alone here (Quick edit: Hell, I wrote this before Kobe hit his 7th later that night). We’ve seen them enough and we’ve seen them throughout the years.
As a matter of fact, I don’t anticipate LeBron will ever reach Kobe/Jordan’s stratosphere in this category. After Utah, Kobe started showing a knack for nailing these looks. He’s done it a lot over the years since. It’s something that seems almost innate to me. Either you’ve got that cold-blooded killer in you, the literal lack of care for the consequence of a miss, or you don’t.
LeBron’s hit a few, but I think it’s a case of the amount of opportunities you have. I just remember all these free-throw line misses LeBron had in the Orlando series, as well as turnovers. It’s a lasting image.
This argument might be settled in the Finals in June. It probably won’t be settled either way for me. Kobe would have to decline. If anything, he’s playing better than last season, and it was looking like one of his better seasons at the midway point. That indicates to me that, championship or not, some better health might mean an even better season (aka a prolonged first half of this season) next season.
Barring serious injury, this guy is going to continue to dominate till he’s 34-35. Crap! I should’ve mentioned that reason! It might be the biggest one of them all:
The Adaptability.
The strong survive because they adapt to the changing world. At this, not even a LeBron fan would argue there’s anyone better.
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Moar pix plz
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Mar 11, 2010 5:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
we need to rec the crap outta this...
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Mar 11, 2010 5:21 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
HAHA
Youtube "LeBron James Lockdown Defense," the first 4 videos are Kobe Bryant
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 11, 2010 5:44 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
lol I just search it on youtube. there is only one Lebron and that's not even lock down defense!!
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess."
-Kobe
by Shilo24 on Mar 11, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
and the rest are video games...
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 12, 2010 4:58 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
I can't tell if Phil Jackson is playing 3D chess and is 10 moves ahead of us or if he's just goddamn senile...
by Mike1204 on Mar 14, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOVE your sig
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow!
This is probably one of the best FanPosts I have ever seen. And isn’t just because of the topic but mainly because of the well thought out argument. I have thought some of these same arguments but never had the capacity or ability to put it as well as TrojanRam has. Next time this Lebron vs Kobe topic comes up i’m just going to respond by typing, “see this” and set up a link directly to this FanPost. Great Job! I have seen that You Tube video before and it is the best 10mins I have spent in a long time.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 11, 2010 8:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
welcome back homie
i know i speak for many when i say welcome back
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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by Czheck on Mar 11, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
thnx man!
really appreciate it..
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 12, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is my favorite part.
LeBron is just now realizing he’s been wearing MJ’s jersey.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
by SoCalGal on Mar 11, 2010 9:08 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
+1
I can't tell if Phil Jackson is playing 3D chess and is 10 moves ahead of us or if he's just goddamn senile...
by Mike1204 on Mar 12, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+23
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
yep
But like Kobe knows, it’s all about Championships. That will ultimately decide and that’s all I really care about. The other stuff is just pudding.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 11, 2010 9:57 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
lol
it’s all about Championships
= Robert Horry is one of the best NBA players ever.
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 11, 2010 10:35 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
misunderstood
LOL. Horry is not one of the best players ever.
Do you really think that’s what I meant? ha, I mean, it doesn’t matter who’s better without championships. Would you rather have Horry’s rings or Lebron James’ stats? This is a good fanpost though. He’s right on about all of those points. But the biggest one, winning championships is all that really matters in the game. Haven’t you ever heard Kobe say that?
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 12, 2010 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
It was a joke
lol
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 12, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
i had to rec
lol
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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by Czheck on Mar 11, 2010 11:18 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I already REC this
if I could do it again, I would do it again and again especially for the Ice Cube piece, that was very, very, very necessary. He breaks it down how these freaking analyst and so called basketball experts should break it down, it’s not about stats people because anyone can get that, its about getting it done, getting that prize at the end.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 12, 2010 12:16 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Nice one Ram
LA Sports is what keep me off the streets and out of trouble, thanks to all the teams Rams, Dodgers, Lakers, USC sports and the Love of Tennis.
by so.cal.native1952 on Mar 12, 2010 3:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Kobe does have better shoes. Always did (with Nike's that is) Even going back to the Huarache 2K4's.
Those were supposed to be official Kobe’s, but then Colorado happened. They were great sellers. I do feel the LBJ’s above are LBJ’s best yet. I never any other player wearing them though. LeBron’s sneakers usually to bulky or gimmicky. Kobe’s are more street wearable and it resonates with buyers. I think Nike has given up (for now) trying to make LBJ the next Jordan. His sneakers usually didn’t have the Swoosh on the sides. Now they do. The Swoosh matters more than the LBJ logo. Same with Kobe, but Nike never made Kobe’s without a huge swoosh like some LBJ’s.
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by wondahbap on Mar 12, 2010 11:16 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Is 'huarache' spanish for sandal?
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 12, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's also japanese for sandal - waraji -
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
didnt know that
good to know
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Mar 14, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I didn't know either but you learn something everyday
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 14, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
When you haven't got the facts . . . .
I guess in some non-reality based universe, when the ACTUAL numbers don’t count, Kobe is “better” than LeBron.
However, in the real world, where LeBron’s career stats AND this season stats are better than Kobe in points per game, rebounds per game, assists per game and FG %age . . . LeBron is clearly better in every major category except FT %age.
If you look at Kobe’s early career, it doesn’t begin to match LeBron’s, and LeBron’s numbers get better every year. NEWSFLASH – he’s still only 25 yrs old.
One other factor: whose team has won more games this year . . and whose team won the 2 games in which they played each other?
by bobdevo on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Whose team won both games last year?
That’s not even a point. Who hasn’t won a thing yet? Doesn’t that matter the most?
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by wondahbap on Mar 12, 2010 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Then Robert Horry is 150% better than Kobe.
Kobe has 4 rings (three courtesy of Shaq) – Horry has 6.
by bobdevo on Mar 13, 2010 4:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wouldn't that mean Horry has 3 by that logic
since He won three with Kobe and Shaq?
by madmaxx350 on Mar 13, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And then one with Hakeem
One with Timmy…
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
it's big man logic
Horry actually has 0. Minus 2 b/c of Hakeem, minus 3 because of Shaq, and minus 2 b/c of Duncan. This also means Wade has 0, and Lebron will have 0 even if he wins this year. I think we can assume neither Gasol or Bynum will ever approach the Dream, the Big Dork, or the Big Fundamental in greatness, so Kobe wins with 1. :)
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Say 'three courtesty of Shaq' if you want
Cos LeBron DOES have zero courtesy of Shaq. Oh, what’s this I’m hearing? He has none at all? Never mind, then..
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
it should be noted that...
while Jordan did beat Magic by 1 in championships, MJ had a greater personal drive to pass Magic in MVP awards. Now, whether Kobe ends up on top of Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, or Lebron, may or may not be the most important thing. Maybe 5 years ago, Kobe would have thought that way (and a younger Jordan did think this way).
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
Also by your standards
LeBron is clearly better than MJ, Larry and Magic. It’s non-reality to think stats that can be misinterpreted for what they actually accomplish is the ultimate criteria for a team game in which winning it all means everything.
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by wondahbap on Mar 12, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you just unable to read statistics?
While LeBron’s stats are better than Kobes – he trails MJ’s in ppg and FG %age. He does have more rebounds and assists per game than MJ. Kobe is the 3rd best guard in Lakers history. Magic was better, and so was Jerry West. West averaged 27.0 points, 6.7 assists and 5.8 rebounds per game BETTER than Kobe in every category.
Sorry you guys just don’t know jack about basketball.
by bobdevo on Mar 13, 2010 4:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There number that mean what?
I will agree about Magic. I’m a Magic guy, but he just proves that stats really mean nothing. Jerry West? Seriously. Jerry West is a Laker great, but you’re seriously going to come here and put his stats up against Kobe’s and use that as a line of reasoning when he could only get 1 Championship. And Jerry West played with all time great players, just in case you want to go the Shaq angle. While you’re salivating over stats and averages (that aren’t big differences anyway, you’re talking only 1-2 more per game) we look to a style of play that leads to winning it all consistently. That matters, not your silly averages.
But you’re right. We don’t know anything, and Kobe’s pedestrian stats aren’t good enough to win 4 Rings, because 1 more ppg, 2 assist more and 1.5 rebs tell the whole story. So why come here and debate us?
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by wondahbap on Mar 13, 2010 6:25 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Did you ever see West play? Just asking?
As I said, everybody has an opinion – as Dick Jerardi from the Philly Daily News sez:
what nobody but James can do: pass with the flair of Magic Johnson, finish like Doctor J, get end to end like a young Allen Iverson, shoot coldblooded threes with form Herb Magee would admire and make it all look effortless . . . In three games against the Sixers, this season, James had 91 points, 26 assists and 19 rebounds. His game is powerful and artistic, often on the same play. And nobody playing has a higher basketball IQ. He intentionally threw one pass off a Sixers player’s foot to get an extra 8 seconds on the shot clock.
by bobdevo on Mar 13, 2010 8:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WHAT
are you that there is nobody playing that has a higher basketball IQ than James?? hahahahahaha pretty funny there, crazy
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Mar 13, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Have you seen Kobe play? Just asking...
No, better question, have you read the post?
Instead of just reading the title and start trolling, maybe you should actually read some of the arguments that trojanram made.
Like the arsenal point. Name one move that LeBron has that Kobe doesn’t have (except “crab dribble” (cuz that’s traveling)
I can't tell if Phil Jackson is playing 3D chess and is 10 moves ahead of us or if he's just goddamn senile...
by Mike1204 on Mar 14, 2010 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Name 10 moves that LeBron has, period.
I’ll start him off:
1. Head down to the rim hoping for a foul
2. Low-efficiency pull-up midrange or three
… good luck :)
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha...
Mate, I’m 15. I play low-level rec league. I see that ‘pass off the foot to keep time on the clock’ play on a weekly basis. I’ve seen dozens of NBA players do it. James is undeniably one of the most physically talented players to ever play in this League, probably only Wilt Chamberlain and a young Shaq can compete in that category. What’s holding him back, however, is his room for improvement in fundamentals and Basketball IQ.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions
This mans got it right
Im 18 and play low-level rec also. I see dudes who come in all the time and jsut dominate because of their athleticism..track stars, football players, muscleheads who cant b contained because of sheer physical talent. Then i see the guys who aren’t necessarily the most athletically gifted(say 45-60 year olds) who WIN because their basketball iq is off the charts. Lebron is great but undeniably goes in the first category. Kobe in the second. Lebron doesnt hav that iq. i honestly dont think he ever will either. im not sayin its not possible jsut that its not probable. More than anything basketball iq is reading the rythym of the game and being able to execute in the most effective way. Kobe does this better than ANYBODY hands down. he is undeniably the best player in the league. and take the basketball iq away. repertoire? Kobe has moves that no one ever has done(most notably the pivot spin into the jumpshot) and all the moves everyone else has done. Lebron doesn’t. plain and simple. he lacks fundamentals to even attempt most of those moves. yes he rebounds more…he’s a forward, he’s got at least 3 inches on kobe(more on wingspan), and he jumps out of the building. gets more assists…i dont know what the real % is but he probably has the ball 75% of the time the cavs r in possesion. no one on the lakers has a huge amount of assists. thats just the way their game is played. but the lakers do have a huge assist to points ratio. kobes best. done deal
by frosty21 on Mar 18, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And, btw, LeBron's three point shooting technique leaves MUCH to be desired.
His follow through is imperfect, he has a tendency to unnecessarily fade on his shots, and his seperate motions are not uniform in forming the shooting action.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
LeBron had 91 points in three games… nice
Kobe had 81 points in a GAME.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You wanna actually analyse the stats properly, instead of throwing out some numbers without knowing what they mean?
Pace and usage-adjusted, Kobe’s stats are far better than West’s, even after accounting for the lack of a three point line in West’s day.
As for the rebounds – LeBron is a forward, Kobe is a guard. Use common sense.
Assists – look the the systems. Cavs run an SF high playbook, Lakers generally run the Triangle. The ball is in Kobe’s hands less, and even when he is the initiator of a play the Triangle counts for at least one more pass to be made after he passes it out. Even though he is responsible for the score in those scenarios, the highly incomplete and perception-based nature of the assist statistic fails to credit him for it.
Scoring – once again, lower usage and more options.
FG% – different playstyles, Kobe is more of a perimeter and midrange-oriented player, whereas LeBron’s points come off drives to the hoop (although that doesn’t stop him from taking fade-away threes). Also, look at EFG% and TS%, they narrow the gap.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Personal insults won't be tolerated here
Sorry you guys just don’t know jack about basketball.
Especially not sweeping, generalised personal insults.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Consider this an unofficial warning.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess he doesnt have a reply
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I guess Oscar Robertson
is the greatest player of all time according to your standards. Newsflash, Kobe didn’t even play serious minutes for the first three seasons of the NBA. He also won a sixth-man award while he was coming off the bench and contributing. And he was put on a leash even when he was starting to appease Shaq. There is only one year, where he was the main option because Shaq came in fat, and that was 02-03, where he avgd 30, 6, and 7. Something Lebron does now and everyone fawns but everyone forgets about Kobe’s season that year cuz they lost to the Spurs in the playoffs. Don’t see anyone miscalculating Lebron’s stats when he lost to Orlando last season. Get out of here, with that he’s only 25 nonsense. When did Kobe average 30, 6, and 7? He was about 25. Oh snap, does that mean that Kobe was the greatest player in the history of the NBA because at 25 he avgd a 30, 6, and 7 season. In fact, by all criteria maybe Kobe should’ve won the MVP that year too cuz even though Tim Duncan was good Kobe was playing better all around. Right? Please do yourself a favor. Keep it in the context. People compare the two currently, not based on the past, not based on the prospects for the future. Everytime you throw out past facts about Lebron, you ignore the past facts about Kobe.
by Marty Mart on Mar 12, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
REC
REC
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 12, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oscar is in reality probably No.2 behind Jordan.
I saw Oscar play and he was virtually unstoppable. He had the misfortune to run up against the Celtics when they were at their best. He finally won a ring when he hooked up with Kareem in Milwaukee. Oscar’s 25.7 ppg beats Kobe, and he crushes him in rebounds and assists per game.
Everybody has an opinion – but there’s only one set of facts. Based on the facts, Jordan, Robertson and yes, LeBron are better than Kobe.
by bobdevo on Mar 13, 2010 4:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm fairly certain
That had Kobe Bryant played in the 60s, he would have been even more dominant than Oscar.
Really, the 60s game is nowhere near the modern game. I mean… really

by 99bc99 on Mar 14, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oscar as well
You wanna pace adjust his stats?
His triple-double season, pace-adjusted, was roughly
25ppg
7-8apg
7-8rpg
The pace they played at back then was hectic. Even if you account for the fact they didn’t have a three-point line back then and thus up his ppg by 3 or so, that’s still just current LeBron-stats.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny thing is
I got those stats from an article written PRAISING LeBron.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I notice you speak of facts, and mention you watched games during that time
Yet you don’t mention Wilt? Funny…
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
When Lebron leaves to New Jersey
You will stop watching Cleveland games.
by 99bc99 on Mar 12, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
its not like lebron totally dominated kobe during those two games
your team just outplayed us on those 2 games. Both superstars struggled (by their standards) in both games. And you knew that Lebron scrotum suckers would bring out the regurgitated STATS argument. Oscar Robinson posted some of the craziest stats of all time but I dont think most people think hes better than Magic Johnson or John Stockton.
by desecrator09 on Mar 12, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The age thing is the stupidist part of this argument.
NEWSFLASH – LBJ has been in the league now for almost 7 years and he’s been a starter for almost the entire time.
As for him being better than Kobe, I read something last season that stuck with me. “LeBron is an amazing athlete who happens to play basketball. Kobe is an amazing basketball player.” I think that is the real difference, and since we’re talking about basketball, I’ll take Kobe over LeBron.
by SoCalGal on Mar 12, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
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"LeBron is an amazing athlete who happens to play basketball. Kobe is an amazing basketball player."
More people should start thinking that way, this is basketball, you put the ball in the hoop and Kobe knows every possible way to do that and get the prize at the end and thats valuable.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 12, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Basketball: you put the ball in the hoop
Yeah – that’s right – but LeBron puts the ball into the hoop more every game than Kobe does. Thanks for winning this argument for me.
Kobe may KNOW how to put it in every way possible – its just he MISSES more than LeBron does.
by bobdevo on Mar 13, 2010 4:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't win your argument for you.
You don’t seem to realize that basketball is about more than putting the ball in the hoop, at least the last time I checked it was. And the fact that Kobe KNOWS how to put it in in every way possible, and does more often than not, makes him an amazing basketball player. Ultimately it is about winning it all, even if you have more misses than makes.
by SoCalGal on Mar 13, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Whatever BOBDEVO, Still trying to win your argument here on SSR
We are trying to be fair, trying to make you see Kobe is no scrub, stats are not everything, did you see the Ice Cube breakdown or are you just ignoring it to justify your like for Lebron? Lebron will be a breast when he not only owns the basket area but he owns every inch of the court, like Kobe, not just with dunks. This is not a stat argument I am making, this is a basketball skill argument I am making, forget stats. Kobe has every move in the book to put the ball in the freaking hoop, I can’t say the same for Lebron, forget rings, forget stats, Kobe is freaking talented, a talented basketball player. Lebron has yet to master each skill and when he does and gets some rings then I will consider him better then Kobe until then, sorry Lebron and to your fans but you are not at Kobe basketball talent level yet.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 13, 2010 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
sweet quote
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 13, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
LeBron has been a starter for seven years. Kobe for 10. Not that big of a gap.
"That's a giant sig " - Ben R.
by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
*Kobe 11, now
"That's a giant sig " - Ben R.
by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah it was a nice try, gotta give him Kudos
LOL
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 12, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Other factors
Kobe plays in the triangle – takes away from individual stats, especially assists.
If Kobe didn’t care about winning, his stats would be better. Remember, he’s the only guy other than Wilt to score over 80 in a single game. That’s ridiculous. Even he knew that.
People talk about style and aesthetics, which there’s no stat line for, however, athletes’ performances in some sports are judged subjectively in those categories. Jordan and Kobe had/have the grace and the shooting touch. James just doesn’t have it. His game is pretty ugly, one would have to admit.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 12, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If LeBron didn't care about winning he'd average 50 a game.
Ir Kobe cares so much about winning- why hasn’t he learned to make more assists and grab more rebounds?
by bobdevo on Mar 13, 2010 5:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To quote Ice Cube...
Don’t tell me about rebounding; I don’t wanna hear about that shit, K? LeBron’s a forward; he should get more rebounds than a shooting guard. Alright, so I don’t wanna hear about the rebounds. I don’t wanna hear about the assists; Kobe’s forced to run the triangle, all the passes, and all the cuts are scripted… He’s still the best basketball player on the planet, with all those restraints.
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 13, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks!
That’s the first time I’ve actually read the vaunted Ice Cube analysis.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 13, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Itstill takes two to get an assist
and if the passee misses the shot after getting a pass from the passer, no assist for the passer. LeBron is not as responsible for his assists as you think, because if West misses the shot, no assist.
BTW, you don’t MAKE assists—they’re not cookies. You GET them.
by SoCalGal on Mar 13, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Whose team won more games last year?
Cos they must have won the Championship. And the star player of which must have won the most important individual accolade in the game.
Oh, wait…
"That's a giant sig " - Ben R.
by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's Kobe's Stat line
Enjoy~
I can't tell if Phil Jackson is playing 3D chess and is 10 moves ahead of us or if he's just goddamn senile...
by Mike1204 on Mar 12, 2010 2:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Um. Yeah.
Sure, Kobe’s better.
ok.
by johnnyphoenix on Mar 12, 2010 6:48 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
…I love the little circle jerk you guys have goin’ about this..
by johnnyphoenix on Mar 12, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, huge circle jerks
Giant, mandingo-sized circle jerks.
We’re Lakers fans, what the hell do you expect from us? Humility? Hell no. The Lakers are the greatest sports franchise in the world.
You going to tell us different? Who cares.
Hey, Lebron gets lots of assists. Weeee… he gets lots of points. Weee… He’s still our guy, and last I checked even Sun Yue has more rings than Lebron.
by 99bc99 on Mar 12, 2010 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And Robert Horry has more rings than Kobe. 1.5 times more . . .
Not to mention Bill Russell, who doesn’t even have enough fingers/thumbs for all his rings.
by bobdevo on Mar 13, 2010 5:01 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
1.75*
:)
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 13, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, i’ll give my incredibly important opinion on the matter, and i’ll try not to be rude and insulting like a lot of people are when they get passionate about this lebronVkobe thing. Just getting one thing out of the way, rings don’t make you a better player. If the circumstances were opposite and Lebron had 4 and Kobe had none i wouldn’t be using them as part of my argument.
10 and 9 are obviously irrelevant.
8. You use “franchise” as a reason Kobe is better? Come on, if anything that’s one reason lebron is better. If lebron ran the world and he could swap places with kobe he would do it in an instant. On one hand you have the greatest coach in basketball, on the other hand you have Mike Brown. On one hand you have Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest and Lamar Odom, on the other hand you have Antwan Jamison, Shaquille O’Neal, Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao. (this is by far the best supporting cast lebron has ever had and is still not as good as what Kobe had in 00-02 and the last 2 seasons.
7. Personality, unlike some non kobe fans who are turned off by kobe’s personality i actually like it. That wanting to win more than anything else is something to be admired. To be a multi-millonaire with all the comforts you can imagine, and to still have the burning passion and desire to win, i respect that. But i think lebron also has that now aswell, he didn’t always have it but the last 2 seasons i’ve seen the fire in him too. After the Orlando series when he walked off, some people called it bad sportsmanship, but it impressed me almost as much as anything he’s done on the court, i saw the passion in the way he walked off hurt that i’ve seen in kobe for years. and that moment is what convinced me he has the drive to get multiple rings before he is done.
And this season after some losses lebron has almost been in tears, some people might mock it but i’d much rather have my guy crying than laughing after a loss the way some stars do.
Lebron and kobe have this in common.
6. Irrelevant, the style players use on the court doesn’t matter as long as it gets things done. People like to watch different things, and that’s why we chose the players we like most. This isn’t olympic figure skating where judges decide who wins based on what looks prettiest, basketball has an objective way of deciding so aesthetics is irrelevant.
5. Arsenal, this is why Kobe was ahead until 08, but starting at some point in the 08-09 season to this day lebron became number 1 in my mind because he developed his game. He’s the best passer in the game, he shoots 3’s at 35%, he’s improved his midrange game (this aspect of his game still isnt as good as kobe’s obviously but its improved enough thats its just not a hole anymore like it used to be), he has a good post game when he chooses to use it. He can penetrate using a combination of speed,size and power that we’ve never seen before. And on top of all that he has the ability to score 30ppg at 51%. Because he now has a range of weapons, he is the best player in my eyes.
4. The system on the surface might look like it boosts lebron’s numbers, yes the ball goes through him on nearly every play, and kobe doesn’t have this advantage. That breaks down when you look at the various efficiency numbers and see lebron is far more efficient, so fast or not he makes better use of the ball. And not to mention Cleveland plays at a slower pace than LA, so that cancels out any artificial boost Lebron gets.
3. kobe does have amazing basketball iq, but so does lebron. his court vision is incredible, the best i’ve ever seen. you see that by looking at how few turnovers lebron gets despite how much time the ball spends in his hands. he knows what to do with it, when to do it and he knows it a moment before anyone else on the floor.
2. defense, they are both first team defenders, in my opinion they are close to the 2 best perimeter defenders in the league. they are elite in different ways in this aspect, but they’re both so good i don’t see it as a big plus for either one compared to the other in this “who is best” debate.
1. kobe is an excellent clutch player, so is lebron. but even i will have to give this one to kobe (not by much). having said that every moment that affects the score in the first 46 minutes is equally as important as every moment that affects the score in the last 2 minutes. you make that open basket in the 1st quarter, you don’t make that turnover that leads to the fastbreak score in the 2nd, and all of a sudden it’s not a 2 point game in the final minutes, its 6. lebron is better over 48 minutes, kobe is better over the final 2 minutes. I know which one i’d take.
That’s all i’ve got to say on the debate. and please don’t think that because i think lebron is better that i don’t respect kobe. He is a 4 time champion, mvp, finals mvp, Olympic gold medalist and first ballot hall of famer. I have him as one of my top 10 greatest players of all time. When he retires he be considered one of the all time greats. And deservedly so.
Whichever side of the debate your on, i think we’re all lucky to see two all time top 10 greats play in their prime at the same time. It doesn’t happen often, it hasn’t happened since Magic and Bird, we weren’t lucky enough to see another all time great peak during mj’s peak. But we do have it now. This period in basketball will be known as the lebron-kobe era, and we should consider ourselves lucky that we get to witness.
P.s. sorry for any spelling mistakes, its 3:35am where i live. I’m working the night shift.
by CavsLebronFan on Mar 13, 2010 8:34 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Well put.
I will disagree a little in regards to this:
rings don’t make you a better player
Overall, In Kobe and LBJ’s stratosphere, they most certainly do. Everyone likes to make excuses for why this, or why not that, etc. But the fact remains that if a certain player’s style of play equates to being the Champion more often than not, that is the essence of the best player. Is Kobe’s team better? They should be, they are the defending Champs for that very reason. But just loike the Cavs are built around LeBron, the Lakers are built around Kobe. If “Lebron had 4 and Kobe had none,” you most certainly should use that as part of your argument. Time will tell. It’s what makes MJ considered a greater player than Magic, even though Magic won consistently throughout his career, going to the Finals 9 times.
At the end of the day (sorry to sound like Mark jackson, what criteria would you use to separate Wilt and Shaq? Wilt had the best stats ever, but how often did that make his team the best in basketball. Once. So how meaningful were Wilt’s numbers?
By the way, this fan post was in fun. On a Lakers blog. the whole post is irrelevant. But fun.
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by wondahbap on Mar 13, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
Couldn’t have been said better.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 13, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i actually heard mark jacksons voice when you said that
haha, great post.
Magic>MJ any day of the week dont people remember the 80s?
maybe im just biased because mj ruined my childhood
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HAHA, LIKE THE GAME AGAINST MELO!
after some losses lebron has almost been in tears
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 13, 2010 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol yes that was the game i was thinking off. Nothing wrong with a man showing emotion.
by CavsLebronFan on Mar 14, 2010 4:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
When this happened, children in Bangladesh were healed. It’s okay for a man, a real man, with steel-imbued veins of fury, to release a little emotion. I also heard that after this a little bit of the hole in the ozone was repaired.
Amazing

by 99bc99 on Mar 14, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i salute you!
major rec
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You can't use stats, and then comments like this
5. Arsenal, this is why Kobe was ahead until 08, but starting at some point in the 08-09 season to this day lebron became number 1 in my mind because he developed his game. He’s the best passer in the game, he shoots 3’s at 35%, he’s improved his midrange game (this aspect of his game still isnt as good as kobe’s obviously but its improved enough thats its just not a hole anymore like it used to be), he has a good post game when he chooses to use it. He can penetrate using a combination of speed,size and power that we’ve never seen before. And on top of all that he has the ability to score 30ppg at 51%. Because he now has a range of weapons, he is the best player in my eyes.
These are all opinions, aside from the 35% for three-pointers.
He’s the best passer in the league? I think Nash and Paul might have something to say about that. He penetrates with speed/power/size we’ve never seen before? Erm, Charles Barkley? He’s not doing anything differently than he’s done before. At all.
He’s shooting 35% from the post area. Horrible.
He’s shooting 39% from midrange, and taking more than twice as many shots there than in the post. Bad.
He’s shooting 36% from 3-point range, respectable, but has taken 333 shots from there, as opposed to 114 from the post.
Where then, does he shine? Well at the rim, and we’re all aware of his drives. He’s at 71% from point blank with 500 shots taken.
So what does this say? Aside from the drive and transition, Lebron has an undeveloped post game, shoots poorly from mid-range, and has taken an inordinate amount of threes, even though he’s making them at an okay rate.
Where is Kobe at?
Post game, Kobe’s at 47%, and has taken 385 shots. Dominant.
Mid-range, Kobe is at 43%, he still outdistances Lebron here.
Threes or long range? Kobe is at 27%, much lower than Lebron, but he’s only shot 247 compared to 333.
Kobe’s at 62% at the rim, and has taken almost as many shots as Lebron there.
Where does this leave us? Well…
Kobe’s inside game is more developed, and more dominant than Lebron’s. Kobe takes and makes shots from all over the court, where Lebron is primarily a 3-point shooter and close in finisher. Lebron doesn’t have a developed short game, nor does he have a developed mid-ranged game. Kobe also has a broken finger on his hand, and this has to affect his shot somehow, especially as Kobe is a career 33% three-point shooter (not great, but well above his season average).
I’ll give Lebron the MVP, but I don’t think he’s anywhere near as developed as Kobe, nor do I think he’ll ever be as developed as Kobe.
by 99bc99 on Mar 13, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 11 recs
REC
I should just ask you to write for me, thank you
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 13, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
CavsLebronFan
It’s always great to hear what fans outside of Laker nation think. I just want to comment on a couple things.
1st. I don’t think Lebron has earned the right to be considered a top 10 great of all time. Keep in mind that I am not saying this is as a Laker fan but a basketball fan. In terms of who is better now that will be debated forever and we will never agree. But in terms of greatness that is referring to legacy and Lebron has not built one yet. If Lebron retired today I don’t know if he has done enought to be credited with that title. He has the potential to get there while Kobe is already there. Just my opinion.
2nd.. you next comment surprised me:
Cleveland plays at a slower pace than LA, so that cancels out any artificial boost Lebron gets.
I really didn’t know that and I don’t qualify to say what type of game the Cavs play because I don’t watch them much. But because of Lebron’s style of game I always thought the Cavs played a faster pace game. Especially sine the Lakers main offensive scheme is the Triangle offense which is a half court game. I have to admit that was pretty surprising..
I really think you made some good points that have to be respected because I think they have some validity and as I said earlier we will never agree on who is better but Lebron I think is the most gifted physical player I have ever seen since Shaq was in the league in his prime. There is no one player that can stop him going to the basket. Ironically, I think that only Shaq had the physicality to stop him in his tracks. But that is early 2000’s Shaq not the current one.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 13, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Charles Barkley talks a lot of bs, but one thing he gets right is when he says the Cavs and lebron personally would be even better if we had a system that suited our star. Lebron puts up the numbers he puts up while playing for a team that is 25th fastest (or 5th slowest, however you want to look at), for comparison the Lakers are 9th fastest. This is one of several reasons i really don’t like Mike Brown, i wish we had someone as good as Phil Jackson to take full advatange of lebron’s talent…maybe next season.
by CavsLebronFan on Mar 14, 2010 5:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Stop blaming Mike Brown and pace.
That’s the worst excuse out of all of them.
Have you ever put any thought to the fact that, LeBron, who right now is the most powerful player in the NBA due to his up coming free agency actually likes the offense? You think Mike Brown is around if LeBron wasn’t happy with how things were? The offense is built around LeBron strengths. It has nothing to do with pace, because the pace is tailored to LeBron’s game. Pace is just a poor excuse, and it would not guarantee LeBron more points. No as often as he has the ball. If anything, it may mean more points for teammates.
If Cleveland’s FO had the slightest hint that lBJ didn’t care for Mike Brown’s coaching he would have been gone.
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by wondahbap on Mar 14, 2010 6:55 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
didn't know that..
btw.. you are like the one millionth cavs fan who has said that about Mike Brown. I wouldn’t know so I can’t comment but I do know the media has commented on his comments when he was asked what his game plan was and he said something like, “to give Lebron the ball and just attack”.. that is crazy. two words for you..Jeff Vangundy.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 14, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
NO-ONE can be said to be top-10 all time until they've won at least one ring
Preferrably several.
"That's a giant sig " - Ben R.
by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry but disagree with your biggest point
Rings matter. You’re only saying this because James doesn’t have any… yet. Jordan’s skill level put him in the argument, but the championships put him over the top in most people’s minds.
But really the argument is meaningless because as fans we care more about championships and our teams than the success of any one individual player, and as professionals the players care more about championships. In the end, it’s all about… championships.
So, L. James is better statistically, so what. I will be glad to agree with you that Lebron is the best player in the league statistically. Heck, he’s the greatest of all time statistically. I hope he goes down, hands down, without an argument, not even close, as THE GOAT, the best player statistically to ever put on a uniform… better than Wilt; better than Jordan; better than Kobe…
as long as the Lakers win the… championships.
cuz that’s all that really matters. but I’ll agree with one thing. Win or lose, it sure is fun to watch the best doin’ work.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
by thestuff01 on Mar 13, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
although i disagree with some of your points
at least your very logical and respectful in your arguments which I give props to. Thanks for sharing your opinion in that way when most ppl wont (i.e. bobdevo)
by desecrator09 on Mar 13, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 13, 2010 6:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
See, I pretty much disagree with EVERYTHING you said...
…and explaining the reasons why would be another long fanpost.
HOWEVER, I respect your opinion because it is obvious thought and reflection has gone into it. We’ll just have to agree to disagree, but kudos for constructing a well-thought out argument, as much as I disagree.
"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
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A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Mar 14, 2010 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Second that.
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by Saurav A. Das on Mar 16, 2010 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't he shooting 31% from shooting this year?
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 13, 2010 10:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
from threes*
"The guy said NBA players are one in a million... I said, 'Man, look, I'm going to be that one in a million.'" - Kobe
by LakerUNLTD on Mar 13, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone likes to talk about Lebron being a better player
Remind me, how many all-Nba defensive teams has he been on?
by RudeMood19 on Mar 13, 2010 6:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
just once, while kobe has been on 9
The PuertoRican Kid
by Kobe:The Legend on Mar 13, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
wow!
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 13, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh God...
…the rec’s on this post are getting out of hand! Both for comments and the post itself!
I’m going to rec everyone once in celebration. :D
Even bobdevo, because it’s still an opinion. Albeit composed by number crunching…

"I was just letting the shots fly. You know, I don't leave any bullets in the chamber."
"Everything negative- pressure, challenges- is all an opportunity for me to rise."
-Kobe Bryant
A mantra for all athletes.
by TrojanRam on Mar 14, 2010 8:38 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
lol
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Mar 14, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Mar 14, 2010 11:14 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
29 rec's for this FanPost and counting.....
how many can we get?
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by LakersFoEva on Mar 15, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
ONLY 32 RECS?????
come on laker nation SSR
get this up to 100
by matthewmafa on Mar 20, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
i cant wait till
kobe gets fully healthy and maybe this is asking to much but get surgery on his finger.

thats dwight howard whos being assaulted
i think we should just wait till the end of june to decide whos better than who we might have more info then
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is kobe holding dwights hand in the picture?
what a gesture of good will
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