The End of a Rivalry?: Spurs- Lakers
First off, let me emphasize that Laker fans to not get TOO overly happy about yesterday's win. Lets face it, the Spurs played terribly yesterday. Not so much as terrible, but they had 0 people step up outside of their big 3. Of course 3 years ago, that would have worked because it would have meant Duncan/Manu/TP dropped 80-90 on you, but the older Trio are really only capable of dropping 50-60 collectively. That is a huge difference!
Losing role players like Oberto and Bowen, even Udoka also greatly reduced their defensive intensity. And clearly RJ is in no type of psychological state to make an impact at either end. The guy has hit the wall, and HARD. So really, if yesterday's game meant anything, it was for the Spurs, It really characterized their season on a whole, and hyperbole aside, very well could be seen as the Spurs last hoorah vs the Lakers for a very long time. So for having hated the Spurs for the better part of 20 years (90's-00's) its bitter sweet to see their core fall off. I feel like that Family Guy satire of Looney Tunes, where Wiley Coyote finally killed the Road Runner (see this link if you don't know what I'm talking about: ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR7DCFCkqao )
On the Laker's side of things, yesterday's victory can really be credited to.... drum roll please..... MITCH KUPCHAK. We saw all his hard working role players step up and step up big. Thank you Mitch for trading for Gasol. Thank you Mitch for NOT trading Odom. And thank you for signing Artest.. It was great to watch our role players from Odom, and Artest to Fisher and Sasha step up. The only bad games came from Powell and Brown. Powell we can just write of as being bad shots being directly proportionate at amount of playing time, but Brown has become increasingly, I daresay, overconfident in his abilities! Not a quality we want nor need in a 6th man. Despite all the hype Ariza got, we never saw him take the offense hostage like Brown does. Unlike the Powell situation, this trend is actually worrying since we actually do need to play UPS. With Kobe out, I know there is no way we can afford to send him a message by benching him, but Phil really has to emphasize the damage Brown does with his "Dribble Dribble Shoot" mentality.
To end on a more positive note however, there were 2 players that were very encouraging to watch yesterday. Lets see if you can guess who I am thinking about? ......
Wrong, I am not referring to Pau and LO. While those two very well were the reason we won yesterday, their production is largely fools gold consider we were missing 2 huge pieces of our offense. Don’t get me wrong, it was very nice to see LO and Pau have games that went beyond expectations. Sure people criticized Pau for missing easy 1-3 footers, but playing Monday...well, Tuesday morning quarterback, we can point to those misses as the difference between Pau having a monster game (21pts, 19rbs, 8ast, 5bs) and having a CAREER game ( with 8-10 shots that easily could have gone in).
Pau truly spoils us with his "bad" games. I, like many of you would love to see the guy get angry and dunk the ball, but if he can give us a near triple-double, 20-20 game on just finesse that I guess I'll just have to settle.... begrudgingly ; -) LO meanwhile showed us why scouts and GM's have drooled over him all his life. Truly a butterfly emerged last night, and he definitely was not lacking on the sting, ask the Spur's interior D. I don't expect LO to drive to the basket quite as frequently, but hopefully last night's game "reminded" the Candyman what he is capable of doing (Sometimes I seriously believe he forgets how good he is, because I know Laker fans do!) . The LO-Gasol Connection was particularly pretty, perhaps the prettiest 1-2combo we have on the team, sorry Kobe drive-dish to Bynum at the rim...you guys better answer the bell when you return... HEALTHY!!! And not a minute sooner!
Sorry folks, like many of you, I could go on for days about how impressed/man-crushing I am with LO and Pau, but I believe I was going to talk about two other players who I was proud of. Those two players are: Jordan Farmar and Ron " I lost my crazy-pills" Artest. Although neither of these players had flashy games, they both really stepped up to answer the call. Ron looks like he has finally started to get his mobility back, and we really got to see what an upgrade over Ariza he is. Sure RJ isn't the same player, but Ron-Ron still did an admirable job on both sides of the court nonetheless. As for Farmar...... MITCH.... if you're reading this..... GIVE THE MAN A CONTRACT! Excuse my enthusiasm, but Farmar did a wonderful job running our offense yesterday. He was able to get his own shot (quality shots), but more importantly was able to get the defense to collapse to make life easier for those around him! He also did a pretty admirable job on defense. It's refreshing not to have an opposing PG drop 50 on us. Sarcasm aside, I would be very sad to see Farmar move on, especially considering I don't think the Lakers are going to get very much in trades involving the usual suspects : Morrison, Powell, Sasha, and Walton. Hinrich, Felton, Harris, Conley aren’t going to be Lakers any time soon people!
In closing: Great win for the Lakers, even worse loss for the the Spurs. On behalf of all Spur haters of the last two decades: It was a pleasure rooting against you, and I hope you don't take as long as the Kings to become competitive again.
... sorry.... I'm not a very good eugooglizer.....
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I don't think they are quite gone yet
but do think they have fallen out of that elite catagory they once were a fixture of, and still think they will be a playoff team this and probably next year. After that, it could be back to lottery land for the Spurs though.
No more raining on BN's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home, lmao.
by S Jay Bruin on Feb 9, 2010 12:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the spurs are quite bad on this road this year
and missed a lot of open shots that they could’ve made (like the last time we played them).
i wouldn’t write them off just yet. especially since duncan’s & manu’s minutes in the regular season is going to much less than what we’ll see in the playoffs.
by Nostance on Feb 9, 2010 12:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think you have to wait for either Pop or Duncan
To call it a career first. Too much history otherwise.
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by Ben R on Feb 9, 2010 12:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
How can a rivalry end if there was never one to begin with?
The Lakers rivals are the ugly green clowns from Boston, that is it. But yeah, the Spurs are done and have been done for a while now.
by wavenstein on Feb 9, 2010 1:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the spurs are definitely rivals, at least from the past decade.
it’s not as hateful and deep as the celtics, but the spurs have definitely been there.
by Nostance on Feb 9, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
The rivalry between LA & SA is not a “hate” rivalry, like between LA & Bos, it’s a “respect” rivalry. It doesnt get alot of attention because their isnt blood baths going on every time we play them or angry conversations between coaches and fans for each team.
The spurs are one of the most respected and classy organizations in the NBA, IMO. They were always around deep into the playoffs, and were always the one team in the west that the Lakers had to worry about during their championship runs.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on Feb 9, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No dude, the Spurs were a legit rival
even though we pretty much owned em in the post season, they did manage to take 2 of those series and go on to win the championship. Lakers and Spurs own 8 of the Last 11 championships.
Unlike Denver, Sacramento and Portland who think they’ve been rivals with the Lakers, the spurs are one of the few that actually have.
by KBZ on Feb 9, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's kind of funny how they had chalked up a championship this year
after aquiring Richard Jefferson. That Artest would be the downfall of the Lakers and thus their 12-year long decade would result in them being the team of the decade, when the Lakers clearly were the superior team during this time and will punctuate it with another title run this year. The Spurs will get to rest their aging players after the first round just like last year.
No more raining on BN's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home, lmao.
by S Jay Bruin on Feb 9, 2010 4:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The media was all over their nutsacks
particularly the folks over at ESPN, Chris Mannix, and Dan Patrick among others.
by KBZ on Feb 9, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not done yet
I have no doubt about Pop’s ability to turn things around. And they definitely will be in the playoffs. They are still 6th in the west right now, so that puts them right in the thick of the fight.
BTW, isn’t it interesting that in both the last two games, the opposing teams suddenly couldn’t hit from the outside in the middle and end stretch of the game, even when left open?
Anybody who thinks that’s one of the reasons those two lost better think again. The effect of a really good defense is not just on the offensive execution, but mentally as well. Once that confidence is shot, they couldn’t hit the broadside of a barn from 12 feet.
That’s why, as mentioned in the Yahoo story on RJ, Pop berated his players at the end of the game, calling them soft, and were beaten psychologically. I have no doubt that’s also what happened to the Blazers.
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by altree on Feb 9, 2010 5:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The rivalry is OVERR
haha as a long time laker fan, I have always had a sense of dread when it comes to playing the spurs. It’s this same sense of dread I get whenever the Lakers have to play in the Rose Garden, or whenever they have to play in Utah.
After yesterday’s game I truly lost any sense of dread in playing the Spurs. In fact, I would love nothing more than to play the Spurs in the first round.
The rivalry is over in the sense that I no longer worry about playing the Spurs in the way I still worry about playing the Cavs, Orl, Bos, Por, and Den. With Duncan.TP.Manu unable to perform at levels they used to, they are nothing but a shell of their former selfs, and in all likelihood are only going to get worse. Thank you Spurs for all the close nail bitting anxiety filled games. I would like to say its not you, its me, but you just don’t do it for me anymore SA.
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Feb 9, 2010 5:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There should be a "maybe" option
As long as they have Pop and RC Buford in that front office they’ll be relevant.
Age and attrition(thank you Stephen A. Smith) affects everyone. Their Centerpiece is getting old but he isn’t done yet. Thye could improve or they could sink. It’s too early to tell.
I actually respect and acknowledge this rivalry unlike other “rivalries” that certain other teams believe they have with the Lakers.
RJ hasn’t panned out for the Spurs like they thought it would but Tony Parker and Timmy are still great pieces to form a contender out of.
by KBZ on Feb 9, 2010 7:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
also, Parker is not at 100% yet with his plantar fascitis
unlike Duncan & Manu, he’s still relatively young, meaning he will be getting healthier and better come playoff time (barring other injuries)
by Nostance on Feb 9, 2010 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol maybe is such a cop out answer. If you think more one way or than the other just vote that way.
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by robi s on Feb 9, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Spurs and Lakers don’t face off during the playoffs I wouldn’t say it would be the end of the rivalry, just a hiatus.
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by intuitive on Feb 9, 2010 7:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol a hiatus is essentially an end. We have rivalry with almost every team in West if we are going to include hiatuses lol
In reverse order
Suns
Spurs
Kings
Trailblazers
Jazz
Rockets
Supersonics
list can go on lol
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by robi s on Feb 9, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt really say its a dead rivalry yet
sure these arent the spurs of the 1999-2007 but they are still a playoff team and they can be a potential threat for a couple more years or perhaps longer if they make the right moves…and imo theyve done a good job so far…
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by shaqfor3 on Feb 9, 2010 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs aren't going to make the playoffs this year
are they a playoff team? they are only 2 games out of being in the 9th spot.
12 home games
20 road games
20 of those games are against other playoff teams….teams that the Spurs have had a terrible record against so far this year.
7 back-to-backs, including a horrid week in April where they play 5 games in 7 nights….
If I am a Spurs fan, I’m praying for a miracle, because I really don’t see this team getting better, if anything they are going to get more and more fatigued,
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by robi s on Feb 9, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Spurs are done just yet. They have enough to make a trade and have the expiring
contracts of Ginoboli and a few others too. Tony Parker is relatively young; George Hill and “No ACLs” are good players; Duncan is Duncan; and that’s about it.
Richard Jefferson isn’t getting the same number of shot attempts he has had the last couple of years. His percentages are close to his career average, but that PER is ugly. Sheesh. Jefferson doesn’t really impact the game in the other areas besides scoring. That’s the problem.
I think Spurs are fine. They also have Tiago Splitter stashed overseas; he’s a very good player. They ain’t dead yet. We’ll see what they do at the deadline. At this point, Jefferson isn’t a fit for the Spurs.
by E-ROC on Feb 10, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I would have to say the Spurs don't have much and when David Robinson stepped off, they haven't used the money right.
Not picking up a big man has hurt, Tim can’t do this all by himself. While they picked up Jefferson they still haven’t figure out how to use him, wake up coach Poppo. They used to find all these players in late or 2nd round that seems to be over, but I do like there rookie. They really need another scorer and defender, ah la Bruce B.
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by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 10, 2010 1:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Spurs are still drafting well.
George Hill, “No ACLs”, and the Spurs have Thiago Splitter stashed overseas. They also have Nando de Colo stashed overseas; he’s a solid point guard/shooting guard.
I do agree that they haven’t spent their money wisely.
by E-ROC on Feb 10, 2010 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Kobe is a Laker and Duncan a Spurs this will always be a rivalry
A rivalry also involves history and as long they are on the team we will be reminded of the battles they have with each other. Once the identity of both teams is gone and new players are added it might die down but the longer they keep playing against each other in the playoffs it will remain a rivalry. Duncan is by no means done and simply because the RJ experiment didn’t work that is virtually meaningless. RJ has nothing to do with the history between these two teams and he isn’t one of core players involved with this rivalry. What the Spurs need is a legitimate All Star who isn’t declining. The only issue with the Spurs in terms of that their identity is the opposite of the Lakers. They take great pride in developing players and bringing in Veterans before they begin to have health issues. The only issue now is that Duncan is no longer a spring chicken and he needs to be sorrounded with the same youth that Kobe has. But that costs money and the Spurs organization is not willing to do that. Currently they are 7th in terms of ranking for Payroll while the Lakers are number 1.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 10, 2010 5:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
What the Spurs need is a legitimate All Star who isn’t declining
lol are those all-stars growing on trees somewhere?
Lol they are willing to do it, hence taking RJ’s 15 million dollar contract. Their GM is just terrible when it comes to signing guys, but they are amazing when it comes to drafting
Ginobli – 2nd round pick 57
Parker – 28th pick
blair – 37th
duncan – number 1 lol
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Feb 10, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trees? No..
via free agency? yes. The Spurs have done a great job building a contender because their recipe of putting great draft picks around a young Parker and Duncan got them 4 titles. But the key word is “young” which Duncan no longer is. Going the other route which is to sign All Stars like RJ is something that they haven’t done in the past. They have always signed veterans who would take less money for at a chance at a ring. But it’s not that those players won’t be available but it won’t be consistent with what has worked for the Spurs. The second route is too expensive and that is why the Spurs rarely go that way. But, with an aging Duncan, they just might have to, if they want a shot at the title.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 11, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Any while Duncan is still a top player
they will still feel the pressure to continue reloading to try and contend for a title every year. They will continue to need to take chances on guys like RJ, hopefully it will continue to have the same results. I wouldn’t mind if they continue to fall away.
No more raining on BN's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home, lmao.
by S Jay Bruin on Feb 11, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
me either...
the gap between the Lakers and the rest of the WCF the last 2-3 years has been ridiculous..
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 12, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol one problem you can’t sign any free agents when you are already over cap :)
so this spurs team is stuck with who they have for this year and the next…. the spurs are clearly heading for the horizon as their chance at a championship as already set
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Feb 11, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the spurs will always be a rival
they play in the western conference. The clippers are considered a rival. now if you would have asked if the spurs are no longer a threat to the lakers that would have been alot more accurate. you think the white sox and cubs where not rivals when one was on the top and the other was on the bottom?
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