Sixers Visit L.A. to Face Derek Fisher's Intangibles
This weekend's main event is on Sunday afternoon. That's when the Denver Nuggets plop into town and we all get to spend a few hours detesting J.R. Smith. Can't wait! Before we sink our claws into that particular chew toy, however, there's a win scheduled for tonight over the Philadelphia 76ers. Casually abusing Eastern Conference peasantry is always a nice way to unwind after a tough week in the office.
The Sixers have been playing out the string since about mid-December. They're destined for the lottery, but they're not so bad that they can feasibly dream about John Wall. They have no franchise players but are capped out through next year. Even the nostalgic charms of Allen Iverson have disappeared from their lives, as he's out indefinitely to be with his ailing daughter.
Getting drilled by the Lakers tonight really can't make their season that much worse.
This is a nice little opportunity for the Lakers to get their affairs in order. It'll be Kobe Bryant's third game back. He was sensational against Memphis and comme çi, comme ça in Dallas. Against Philly, he should be able to find his comfort zone on offense. Andre Iguodala is a strong perimeter defender but he's playing more small forward these days. If he's assigned to mark Kobe, Ron Artest will have an enormous mismatch against Lou Williams. And if he's assigned to Ron, Kobe will be the one with the size advantage. Either way, someone's getting destroyed.
The only thing the Sixers do well defensively is force turnovers, which is an area the Lakers have struggled with the past couple games. On the season L.A. is second in the league in offensive turnover rate, hacking the ball up on only 12% of possessions. Against Memphis and Dallas, however, that number spiked to 18% and 19%, respectively. I think that's a side effect of reintegrating Kobe: he's forced some passes, and some of his passes went awry because the Laker bigs weren't ready for them. Clean it up, kids!
The goings won't be much tougher for the Lakers in ye olde painted area. Samuel Dalembert can play him some D, but both Elton Brand and Marreese Speights do their best work with the ball in their hands. Those dudes are defensively impaired and too short to bother Andrew Bynum or Pau Gasol. No excuses tonight for Drew and Pau: it's time for them to live up to all the adulation they've been getting from the SS&R commentariat.
And what of when the Sixers are on O? There's not much to worry about, really. Their best scorers, Williams and Iguodala, will be guarded by Kobe and Ron, the Lakers' two top defenders. Their big men are generally OK on offense, but it's not like any of them is going to rip off a 32-point masterpiece. The Philly system, as constituted these days, tends to cast off a lot of midrange jump shots. However much the midrange game might warm the cockles of Stu Lantz's heart, it hasn't been a great way to generate points or wins in the NBA since, oh, about 1980.
Of course, the most daunting challenge the Sixers face tonight is how to contain Derek Fisher's intangibles. Do you double-team his leadership? If so, you risk letting his veteran moxie take you out of the game. Like all Laker opponents, Philly can't take comfort from Fish's poor shooting. Missing wide-ass open jumpers doesn't matter in Fish's universe. They just make his contributions that much less tangible, and that much harder to defend against. Letting him brick shots just plays into his leader-y hands!
Poor, poor Jrue Holiday. He may be 15 years younger than Fish, but his so-called "skills" and "athletic ability" and "five functioning sense" will not avail him. Sure, he might force his ancient counterpart to shoot 4 for 15, but only a fool would look at those misses and think Fisher hasn't dominated the contest. His contributions don't show up in the box score, after all. They're not even perceptible to human eyes! Physicists at the Large Hadron Collider have studied Fish's game and concluded that not even at the subatomic level can his excellence be explained.
It's just part of the ineffable beauty of the universe, like a lover's kiss or the laughter of a newborn child. I feel silly even trying to put it into words. This crude system of letters and numbers mankind has created.... it's simply inadequate when it comes to Derek Fisher. May he forgive us all.
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Lakers |
76ers |
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RECORD |
43-15 |
22-35 |
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NET POINTS PER GAME |
+6.4 (2) |
-2.6 (21) |
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PACE |
93.6 (8) |
91.8 (21) |
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OFFENSIVE RATING |
108.8 (10) |
105.7 (20) |
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Turnover Rate (Off.) |
12.2% (2) |
13.5% (16) |
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FTA/FGA (Off.) |
0.28 (26) |
0.28 (25) |
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Free-Throw % |
77.1 (11) |
77.4 (9) |
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3PT FGA/FGA (Off.) |
0.22 (11) |
0.20 (22) |
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3PT% (Off.) |
34.5 (19) |
34.3 (20) |
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Effective FG% (Off.) |
49.8 (14) |
48.7 (22) |
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True Shooting% (Off.) |
54.0 (13) |
53.0 (23) |
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Off Rebounding Rate |
26.9% (14) |
27.8% (5) |
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DEFENSIVE RATING |
102.0 (2) |
108.6 (20) |
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Turnover Rate (Def.) |
13.5% (17) |
14.0% (10) |
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FTA/FGA (Def.) |
0.26 (1) |
0.29 (13) |
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3PT FGA/FGA (Def.) |
0.23 (21) |
0.22 (20) |
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3PT% (Def.) |
31.9 (1) |
39.7 (30) |
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Effective FG% (Def.) |
47.7 (2) |
51.0 (24) |
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True Shooting% (Def.) |
51.5 (1) |
55.1 (23) |
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Def Rebounding Rate |
74.8% (7) |
73.2% (19) |
Numbers in parentheses indicate league rank. All numbers courtesy of Basketball Reference and HoopData.
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Great Post
I see you still have Fisher’s intangibles in mind this morning. I used to defend Fisher at the begining of this season with the “intangibles” argument. But, that might only matter in the playoffs.
Besides, at the end of the game, it is points that give teams the win not intangibles and Fisher is barely scoring any.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 26, 2010 9:38 AM PST reply actions
Question for SS&R
Name any PG who has flourished under PJ. I.E. a huge PER number, stats of at least 15 PPG & 6.0 APG.
Please, y’all, the horse is dead, you can stop kicking it.
when it disappears until the last second of a playoff game......
It will stop getting kicked.
As long as this horse keeps taking stupid PUJIT’s and missing WALIT’s, and playing swiss cheese defense, it will keep getting kicked.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Weak ass Layup in Traffic.
Close. I made it up in a game thread about a month or so ago. Good guess though.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
oh God, I laughed so hard at this
The best translation is definitely wild ass layup in transition
very funny, indeed; even though i love fish
Question right back at you
Name any SSR user who’s main complaints about Fisher have anything to do with his inability to put up big points and assist numbers.
The Fisher bashers are not equating the need for a better point guard with the need for a statisically impressive point guard, and neither should you.
You forget about others' posts...
Mainly those that involve Heinrich, Washington, Felton… Most people assume the offensive numbers would improve with one of these replacements as well as the defense too. Part of the problem is that Fisher is not getting any wing help. Kobe leaves his man or a defender he should switch to open on the perimeter. I take offense that Fisher is to blame for poor team defense at times. His D weaknesses are declining speed and an occasional inconsistent effort to keep the opposing PG, out of the middle of the paint (baseline drive is preferred in the SSZ).
The point I was trying to make was look at Fisher of 2000-2002, Shaw, BJ Armstrong, etc. I wouldn’t say either of these guys were 1st-team defenders, but their offensive numbers weren’t great for the PG position.
It isn't about numbers.
Derek Fisher’s limitations just got limited, and he continues to try to play outside of his limited limitations i.e. forays to the rim. Plus, his defense has suffered dramatically this season. Opposing point guards are playing near or at All-Star level, if believe 82games opposing PER against stat.
The horse isn’t dead when its still making that trek game in, game out for 30+ minutes.
I suck at English so I can't tell you why, but...
this can’t be right.
“Derek Fisher’s limitations just got limited”
LOL, sorry.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
Lol, yeah, there is something wrong. 'More limited?'
You’re welcome to fix me English.
I can live with that. Can you?
I know that the one thing we (the fans… and hardcore at that) are good at is bashing or defending (take your pick) the players in our beloved team. We see many sides of the equation and only choose to analyze the easiest. Let’s not forget that before Fish was brought back, Kobe was a restless soul. He couldn’t confide to anybody and when they brought Fish back, he was able to find his center. Hell, I don’t even know exactly how to measure this but Fish is one of Kobe’s stabilizer. ’Nuff said.
by loudandproudlaker on Feb 26, 2010 10:01 AM PST reply actions
How can one know that
Derek Fisher possesses
The intangibles?
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
i know Dex would feel so bad
if he had to watch Fish read this
Man, poor Fish
I guess there’s no convincing anyone about Fisher and what he actually does bring to the table. The ship has clearly left the dock.
All I can hope for is a solid game out of Fish or some consistent play down the stretch. I know Fish has it in him.
Anyways, shouldd be a breeze tonight, hopefully…
You guys see Bynum got dinged $25k for his comments about the officials?
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 26, 2010 1:00 PM PST reply actions
Bad but predicatable
Fisher DOES…make clutch 4 quarter wide open jump shots…run the offense (usually)…play decent help defense and draw charges…motivational speaking…Fisher DOES NOT do anything else well and is horrible at many basketball or point guard related skills. The problem is that he is still the best option. Shannon, Sasha, and Farmar are simply way too up and down to be counted on in crunch time. Shannon can’t handle, can’t pass/unable to feed the post, can’t organize, and has an on-off shot. Farmar turns the ball over too much, doesn’t organize the offense properly/doesn’t feed the post enough and cant play man or team defense. Sasha’s shot is coming back, but he fouls too much, and he can’t handle/organize. Fisher’s bad, but Shannon, Sasha, and Farmar are more mistake prone and wild than even Fisher. Plus, of the 4, who do u want to take that clutch shot with 2 sec left on the game clock?
Of course, the most daunting challenge the Sixers face tonight is how to contain Derek Fisher’s intangibles. Do you double-team his leadership? If so, you risk letting his veteran moxie take you out of the game. Like all Laker opponents, Philly can’t take comfort from Fish’s poor shooting. Missing wide-ass open jumpers doesn’t matter in Fish’s universe. They just make his contributions that much less tangible, and that much harder to defend against. Letting him brick shots just plays into his leader-y hands!
rotflmao
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
another great post, keep it up :)
no doubt we gonna own this game, if we lose, we might as well quit the playoffs…
Everywhere we go-o ; People want to know-o ; Who we a-are; And where we come from ;So we tell them ; We're from L.A ; Mighty, mighty LAKERS ; And if they can't hear us; We sing a little louder
lets not take
take the sixers for granted. i’m confident in the lakers, but they can play bad games sometimes. Lets hope tonight isn’t one of those games
Bynum fined:
Andrew Bynum has been fined $25,000 for publicly criticizing game officials.
Stu Jackson, NBA executive vice president of basketball operations, announced the fine Friday.
Bynum was fined for his comments made following the Lakers’ 101-96 loss Wednesday to the Dallas Mavericks.
“It’s hard to win when it’s five against eight,” Bynum said after the game, referring to the notion that the three referees were favoring the five Mavericks on the court.
Bynum was called twice for traveling; the Mavericks shot 26 free throws to the Lakers’ 16.
heres the interview: http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=128525@kcbs.dayport.com
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
hes an idiot for sayin this in public
the refs aint gonna give him any leeway now
by desecrator09 on Feb 26, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
personally
i’m glad to see some passion or something that shows he cares.. I like it.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 26, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
you know i am going to be blunt here: at some point an author’s negativity becomes boring to a reader, especially a fan of the team that’s being addressed. perhaps this is the difference between a columnist, a beat writer, and a blogger. i don’t know. but i know this: negativity can get to a point where the reader is simply turned off, and the reading no longer is enjoyable. i don’t exactly see how this negativity about a specific player, even from other fans here, will entice new readers to read about a team we are supposed to be passionate and supportive of.
by "peace" do you mean that you are out and not coming back to SSR?
just curious. : ) maybe this is a dumb question because if you do respond that means you are going to continue posting on SSR… lol…
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 26, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry Chaucer, but that's a load of crap....
Fisher is playing like shit. Not for a week, not for a month, but for a long, long time. You can only ride the wave of a few great shots for so long. I don’t remember these comments from you when people were slamming Bynum, Kobe, Odom, Walton, etc…. I think your comment has a lot more to do with your feelings about Fisher than your feelings about negative journalism.
I don’t think even Walter Cronkite was Mr. Positive every night.
Dexter is about as level headed as they get, if he is trashing a player, it is probably warranted.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
That's a very good point.
That chaucer never said anything of this sort when people were bashing anybody else. You sound similar to that guy who said he’d take Fisher over any PG in the League as a comment to one of my articles.. (really, the only starting PG in the L Fish woul even have a hope against is Chris Duhon).
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by Saurav A. Das on Feb 27, 2010 2:25 AM PST up reply actions
Glad you liked the piece!
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by DexterFishmore on Feb 26, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought it was a great article
fisher has earned both are respect and our wrath so everybody will have there own opinion.
i still think d fish is a great player i must not be drinking the same kool aid that everybody else is
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this was meant to be a response to chaucer
by desecrator09 on Feb 26, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
lmfao
@ this post. don’t know whether this guys really likes fish or is just being sarcastic. emotions don’t translate well over the net. i just hope you’re right about everything. it would be devestating to lose this one.
The article? It's sarcasm, bro. Dex is very good at it.
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by Saurav A. Das on Feb 27, 2010 2:26 AM PST up reply actions
ROOOAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR
God damn, those Raptors are a pain in the ass. You have to score points to beat that team, because you just cannot hold them to under 90 points.
idk why but
i still feel like we should breeze by the west pretty easy in the playoffs maybe go 5 games once or twice but nothing serious. if we could get luke back he played good d on lebron for the 20 secs he was guarding him
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No way
You’d be hard-pressed to win a game in Portland, Dallas, or Phoenix. And Denver is an awful matchup for you guys.
You lost me at Phoenix.....
Actually you lost me at “a game”. We would win “a game” on the road against any of those teams. Maybe more.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
However Denver is an awful matchup. Kudos.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
are you kidding me??
im sure a ton of people thought the same last year
but look what happened when we ran into the rockets and nuggets
cant take the west for granted man…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
The regular season is not always a good indication of the Playoff picture...perfect example
because the Lakers played well two years ago everyone had them as favorites going into the Finals against the Celtics..and we know the rest..
second, I know I’m not the only Laker fan that feels this way but they Lakers could have easily of lost to the Rockets if Yao doesn’t get hurt.
That’s just my opinion(s)
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 26, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
To win a championship
You don’t have to be perfect, or even great.
You just have to beat four teams in a best of seven series.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Box score: D. Fisher 3-11 from the field, +/-: +14
Intangibles, my friend~
=)
I can't tell if Phil Jackson is playing 3D chess and is 10 moves ahead of us or if he's just goddamn senile...
Haha
That’s why Phil starts him, simply so he can justify letting him take shots with his skewed +/- numbers
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by Saurav A. Das on Feb 27, 2010 2:27 AM PST up reply actions
Heh, funny, witty writing
I like Derek Fisher though, and as I only got a C in stats, I’m the guy that will always bring “intangibles” to the table against PERS and all that other crizz… oh well.

Is it just me
.. or is Fisher SMILING in that first screenshot? Bloodlusting mofo…
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by Saurav A. Das on Feb 27, 2010 2:27 AM PST up reply actions

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