Lakers done in by attack from stealth JET
by C.A. Clark on Feb 24, 2010 9:39 PM PST
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PrintJason Terry must have a cloaking device. He must be able to press a button and become invisible, only re-appearing when he has the ball behind the 3 point arc. That's the only explanation I can come up with for how ridiculously open he was for most of tonight's game. Terry took 8 three pointers, and I think 6 of them were taken without a Laker within 5 feet of him. Some of those open shots were because Derek Fisher can't keep up with Terry around screens, but more of them were due to the Lakers simply forgetting to guard him. In this, the entire Laker back-court was accountable. Kobe let JET have open looks. So did Shannon Brown. Farmar didn't slow him down, and Fish can't slow anybody down. Terry ended with 30 points on 20 shots, and the Mavs took what could have been a very winnable game for the Los Angeles Lakers, 101-96.
As for the rest of the game, we saw some all too familiar trends rear their ugly head. Too many outside shots, not enough ball movement into the post. Derek Fisher was at his worst, taking the 2nd most shots on the team (13) and hitting only 3. One night after scoring an ultra-efficient 32 points on 19 shots, Kobe struggled with his shot en route to 20 points on 23 shots, and quite a few of those attempts were not high quality shots. That said, to pin it on Kobe is irresponsible to the max, because he was doing his level best to distribute the ball early. Kobe only went into gunner mode when it became clear that his teammates were counting on it. All of them except Lamar Odom, who played a terrific game on both sides of the ball.
Once again, the Lakers were also out-physical-ed by a much smaller opponent. The Mavericks out-rebounded the Lakers by 5, including a 6 board edge on the offensive end, despite their 3rd big being Eduardo Najera. Pau Gasol routinely lost rebounds to more active Dallas players, finishing with 6 on the night. Bynum was good on the boards, but he didn't play too much (29 minutes), probably because he had 5 turnovers as he repeatedly attacked Brendan Haywood like a dog attacks a glass door. Um Drew ... he's big too. The Mavs' physical play was clearly in the heads of the Lakers too, because the Lakers were complaining about fouls all night long. I'll admit, it certainly felt like the whistles (or lack thereof) were unfriendly, but once again the Lakers showed that a bad night from the black and white hurts them more than it should.
For me though, the most troubling trend to show itself tonight was the return of the crappy back up back-court. Jordan Farmar wasn't horrible, he actually provided a decent spark in the 2nd quarter, but nothing else about his evening was memorable. The only thing I can remember about Shannon Brown's evening was an awful stretch where he knew he was coming out of the game (because Fisher was at the scorer's table), so he proceeded to launch a pull up 3 with 18 seconds on the shot clock, and then jumped out of bounds to save a ball that was clearly off Dallas, only to throw it to Dirk Nowitzki, leading to a foul on Pau Gasol. All you need to know about these two players is that Phil Jackson felt the need to bring back BOTH Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher for the last 10 minutes of the game. I don't know what it is about Kobe being back that has made these two revert back to the bad versions of themselves, but I do know that their poor play gives PJ the unenviable choice of which crappy guard to play alongside Kobe down the stretch. Both Brown and Farmar played terrifically in Kobe's absence, but that doesn't help the Lakers' title hopes much. We need Kobe more than we need the backups, but what we really need is all of them playing well.
I'd like to tell you we won't be inundated with too many "Does Kobe make the Lakers worse" articles, but there's no denying the team has not played as well with him as they did in the 5 games without him, and somebody's going to go there simply to be provocative. Because, you know, it's Kobe's fault that the rest of his team seems to think it's OK not to play with full focus because he'll just bail them out.
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Poeple blaming Fisher for this loss
know nothing about basketball.
A) no one player should ever be blamed for losing the game. Maybe Courtney Lee in last years finals but that’s about it. The game is 48 minutes long and last time I checked there are 5 guys on the court for each team at all times. Derek Fisher did not lose this game. Maybe he didn’t help as much as others, but he didn’t lose the game. People always seem to need one player to blame for a loss. What’s wrong with just saying the team lost. Bloggers over at the LATimes Laker blog used to crucify Luke Walton after losses back in the day. Looking back, that was ridiculous.
B) your shooting percentage doesn’t purely determine what kind of game a player had. Fisher could have gone 3-13 the whole game, hit a clutch shot with time expiring and he would been hailed as a hero on this very blog. For the millionth time, Fisher brings intangibles to the table. His shooting will be up and down, but his leadership will be constant. Also, some bloggers are blaming Fisher for Terry’s shooting. I’m pretty sure Farmar was matched up with Terry for just as much, if not more, than Fisher was. Plus, it was Dirk’s play down the stretch, not Terry’s, that won the game for the Mavs.
C) This is one loss, out of 82, on the second night of a back to back, on the road, to a top team. Last time I checked, no ones ever gone undefeated in the NBA season. Losses are going to happen, especially under the circumstances listed above. I know the blog needs something to talk about after a loss but what’s wrong with just giving the Mavs their props and saying nice game? We got out rebounded and made some stupid turnovers. I’m not sweating this loss, not one bit.
Lakers are still the team to beat and everyone knows it. No one on this blog should be worried in the least bit until we are either knotted or losing a playoff series, which I don’t see happening.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 24, 2010 9:58 PM PST reply actions
Stop it with the straw-man arguments
A) No one’s saying Fish deserves all the blame for this loss. Nothing in C.A.’s post even hints at it.
B) “Fisher could have gone 3-13 the whole game, hit a clutch shot with time expiring and he would been hailed as a hero on this very blog.” Utterly wrong. If you’ve been paying attention to what we’ve said for as long as we’ve been around, we take the exact opposite position: if the Lakers had a point guard who wasn’t wildly below replacement level, those “clutch” shots of Fisher’s wouldn’t be needed. Again, don’t try to make your point by assigning to us a completely ridiculous position that isn’t ours.
C) Thank you for pointing out that no one goes undefeated in an NBA season. Where in C.A.‘s post does he argue otherwise? We know losses happen. That doesn’t mean we can’t analyze what goes wrong when they do and point out what needs improvement.
This was not a very thoughtful comment on your part. We have no problem with your disagreeing with us, but distorting what we’ve written (or simply making it up) isn’t the way to do it. You can do better than this.
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by DexterFishmore on Feb 24, 2010 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Didn't really write my post in reply to C.A.'s write up
Wrote it after reading all the comments in the game thread, when I clicked post, thread was closed. Because of that, it got posted on this thread.
There’s some pretty heavy duty Fish bashing after the loss and I just don’t think he deserves any of it. I don’t think any Laker deserves any sort of bashing. We are an elite team and we win and lose as a team. I don’t think we need to single out a player for a loss.
To me, Fisher still fits in perfectly with the Lakers and the triangle. He is for the most part a spot up three shooter that doesn’t hog the ball and knows his role. Plain and simple, there aren’t too many PGs in this league that will accept that role and play as consistent as Fish has throughout his career. Other pg’s may look better on paper, but at the end of the day, would you rather have Fisher or (insert any other pg in the league here) taking a 3 with a Finals game on the line? I’ll take Fisher.
Posts like this: “he’s an embarrasment to wear that laker jersey…this season” and…something to the extent of this team has 27 problems and “fisher starting” written 27 times prompted my post. Going back, some of the posters later defended Fish which I did not catch initially, my bad. At the end of the day, it just flat out pisses me off when people look at a poor shooting night and blame one player for the loss.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 24, 2010 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
Fisher does not deserve to be a laker is as stupid as forrest gump
But would you rather increase your chances to reach the finals and win it with a better PG (insert any good pg here…) than being uncertain about making the finals and waiting for last minute heroics from fisher?
so what point guard do you suggest?
Chris Paul? Derron Williams? Rajon Rondo? Might as well give the Lakers three basketballs to play with. There aren’t enough shots our touches to go around. None of those players would thrive with the Lakers.
The triangle requires a certain type of PG and Fisher fits the bill. There isn’t a better option out there right now or I’m sure Mitch would have pulled the trigger. I wouldn’t have really minded Hinrich but it didn’t happen. Fisher is what he have to work with this year.
Also, it’s pretty ridiculous for you to assume the Lakers Finals chances are in question solely because of Fisher. C’mon man, really? I think the issues with the Lakers (if any) have nothing to really do with the pg position at all.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 24, 2010 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
Fisher is done, the man needs to retire now...
Kobe: "If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail," he says, laughing. "You know what I mean? Fuck it."
D E F E N S E
I think you are completely ignoring my argument about defense and only thinking about triangle offense. I said fisher hosting and missing shots is not as big an issue as his defense is. Hinrich and rondo would have been a major upgrade as they are not shoot first pg and they can play much better defense. Yes, fisher could run the triangle better than them but its mostly Kobe running the offense when on floor.
Wouldn’t you say that replacing Bynum with Howard would increase our chances of making the finals? The simple answer is yes. So, does that mean that lakers finals chances are less solely because of bynum? The simple answer is no. Now, apply the same logic to pg position.
Gaurd defense is a major issue for us right now and a big reason for that is fisher. I am worried that not much can be done to improve it.
Yes,
Fisher is slow on defense, but so is Farmar.
Also, theoretically thinking, our help defense should be stellar with Lamar, Pau, and Bynum. The thing that is hard for Laker guards is that other teams always run screen and rolls against us usually picking the guard out of the play.
I agree that Fisher is slow, but it is still unfair to blame Fish for losses.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 25, 2010 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
Agree
I agree that farmar is not much better. Thats what worries me. We have no solution for it other than either fisher picks up his defense (highly unlikely) or at least hit his open 3s to keep the other deenses honest.
Not always true. Against celtics, fisher can’t gaurd rondo so he was on allen. And allen burnt us because fisher could not keep up with him thru the screens. Same thing with terry, fisher/farmar could not keep up with him thru the screens and he burnt us as well. Can’t you see a pattern here. It gives the opposing team a weakness to exploit and gives them confidence that they can beat the lakers.
Once again, fisher is not the sole reason for the losses but he is a part of it. The problem is other reasons for loses (pau not playing well or kobe taking too many shots, bynum getting into foul trouble) have solutions or at least hope but since the transfer window is closed, we don’t have a solution for fishers issue.
If you’ve been paying attention to what we’ve said for as long as we’ve been around, we take the exact opposite position: if the Lakers had a point guard who wasn’t wildly below replacement level, those "clutch" shots of Fisher’s wouldn’t be needed.
This. The excuse train for Fisher has run out of steam. There’s simply no justifiable reason for him to be playing the minutes he’s been getting on any given night.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I think Fisher plays the minutes he does
because he fits in better with the starters. Farmar is more of a run and gun point guard that needs the ball in his hands, that style of play fits better with the second unit. Fisher on the other hand, defects to Kobe and really only takes the shot when he’s open for a three. Sometime Fisher will force up a shot, but not too often.
Phil has shown that when Farmar is playing well, he’ll give the fourth quarter minutes to Farmar over Fisher. Problem is, Farmar isn’t all too consistent and surely didn’t deserve the fourth quarter minutes tonight. At this point, Fisher is the best option. At some point the Lakers will need to find a pg of the future, but for now, I can understand why Phil still gives the bulk of the minutes to Fisher.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 24, 2010 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
Except Fisher can't shoot and can't defend anymore
It’s not a matter of “fit” at this juncture anymore. Halfway through last season, I would have totally supported your argument. If we still had the ‘07-’08 Fisher, we would probably still have a top five offense. Now, he isn’t hitting open shots, his percentages and statistics across the board are simply awful, and his defensive woes are so obvious at this point as to be painful. It’s not helping that he’s aggravating the problem by attempting to drive to the basket at least once a game and frequently throws up bad shots rather than deferring to much better options.
The Fisher versus Farmar (or even Vujacic) argument at this point is not who is a “better fit,” but rather who actually can produce any sort of positive on the court. Even with Farmar not deferring or finding his place in the offense, he’s a superior choice over Fisher, even when playing with the starters. On the defensive end, it’s not really a choice. Well, it is, but it’s between “can’t defend at all” and “tilts between disinterested and above average.” The correct option is obvious.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Agree to disagree
At this stage of the game. Fisher is getting the minutes, plain and simple. i will be extremely shocked if Fisher doesn’t start any remaining game, unless he is injured.
I do agree that after this season, Fisher should retire to a player/coach or strictly come of the bench. But to not start Fisher this year, or blame Fisher for a loss, I think is unfair. Just my opinion though.
Take care man.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 24, 2010 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
So we shouldn't blame him...because it's unfair and we can't do anything about it?
You’re not putting out a compelling case here.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
We shouldn't blame Fisher
for losses. He shot 13 times and made 3. People are bitching and moaning because he had a bad game and need to point the blame at someone.
I would blame the second night of a back to back on the road to a good team, or lack of rebounding, or stupid turnovers as reasons for the loss before I blame Fisher.
That’s all I’m trying to point out. I don’t think it’s fair to blame Fisher for a loss when there were different issues with tonight’s game.
I think Lakers losses are bigger than our PG issues.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 24, 2010 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Well yes, scapegoating him isn't a good thing
But trying to sugarcoat it is equally bad. Fisher definitely wasn’t the sole reason we lost, but at the very least, he was a significant component of it between his putrid shooting and horrid defense of Kidd and Terry. In a game in which marginal errors made all the difference, Fisher’s performance stands out like a sore thumb. Not criticizing him would be a disservice to the comprehensive analysis that we enjoy here.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
just look at what the starting point guards have done lately against fish lately! and even some back ups aswell! thats all u need to know about are point guard problems!
by the fantasy king on Feb 25, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Farmar frustrates me, though
You can see exactly what Phil wants him to do, and how to work inside the offense, but it seems that sometimes he simply decides Not to do it. I can understand Phil not wanting to play someone who is just too good to listen. That is understandably frustrating. I like Farmar, I just want to see him gel with his team more. He should be the point guard now, and he’s a good player, but he gives reason to be sat down with his erratic play.
how is fisher jacking up 13 shots working inside the offense! at least farmar seems to make more of those! his defense isnt great yet,but let him get some more minutes and improve on that! fisher’s defense by the way isnt any better!
by the fantasy king on Feb 25, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
I like Farmar, but his run and gun style needs to be curtailed, just a bit. When he’s hot, it’s fine, people gush over it, but when it’s not it leads to fast breaks for the other team and bad defense. I think Farmar is our PG of the future… he just needs to mature.
What r u talking about?
A. Nobody is blaming fisher alone for the loss but he deserves chunck of the blame as well.
B. If fisher hadn’t shot that badly we wouldn’t need him to hit the clutch shot. But I don’t blame fisher for taking 13 shots. I am assuming that Phil has given him a free pass to shot to get out of the slump before the playoffs begin.
C. That is how losses mount. And this was not just one of the 82 games. This gives dallas some confidence that now they can match up with the lakers and beat them. Denver and Cavs already have that mentality now add dallas to it. This will come back to bite the lakers in playoffs.
Yes lakers are the team to beat and everyone knows it AND now we have one more opponent who thinks they can.
He doesn't deserve a chunk of the blame, the whole team deserves all the blame
That’s the point. Just because Fisher didn’t connect on his three’s doesn’t mean he deserves the bulk of the blame. It didn’t necessarily watch for Fisher’s shot, but he usually takes them when he’s open, after the ball has rotated throughout the Laker team. In some cases, it would hurt the Lakers for him not to take the shot.
Outside of the third, Kobe didn’t shoot too hot, where’s his criticism? Pau Gasol had Kwame Brown like hands, where’s the trash talking about him? I don’t think anyone deserves the blame, that’s the point. The team played bad tonight, plain and simple. The only player to actually have a good game was Lamar.
Everyone is to blame for this loss, not just Fisher because he took 13 shots.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Feb 24, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
Thats press release talk
Not blaming individuals but the team is press release talks. I never said Kobe, Pau, Shannon do not deserve the blame. They do. But the team is made of individuals and inside the locker room play of every individual has to be criticized.
Also, I said I think phil has given fisher a free pass to shot so I don’t blame him for the shots. Its the defense I am worried about. With fisher in the line up we are playing 4 on 5 on defense. Any decent PG/SG burns fisher everytime and compromizes our defense. He can’t even keep up with aging ray allen, how are we going to gaurd any gaurds?
This is my 2nd year of following this forum
I have been a HUGE Lakers fan since immigrating to the U.S. I have never posted on this forum before but felt the need to give you, mrbarneydangles, thumbs up for your courageous points.
by Brownnel2000 on Feb 25, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Not too worried about this game
Because, like you said, it seemed very winnable. But the same old problems the Lakers have had all season were strikingly clear in this game and I don’t see that improving this season with the personnel they have. I’ve been a defender of Fish throughout the season, but this was the first time I began to notice how much of a weak link he is. Gasol troubles me in crunch time, too. He gets butterfingers and alligator arms. Drew looked pretty bad, too. Kobe and Odom looked great though…and I still think the other players apart from Odom are either intimidated or lazy when Kobe is in the game… like when Fish passes him the ball covered at the top of the key with like 3 seconds on the shot clock and expect him to get off a good shot. Crap like that can actually mess up his shot for the rest of the game, as well as destroy the offense’s flow.
I don’t even care about home court anymore. This team will win on any court if they can play solid offense and defense. But if they continue to play lazily, I can’t see them making or winning the finals this year.
Magic made me a Laker fan.
Turnovers, outrebounded, poor defense
That’s what did us in tonight. The articles are already popping up about how the mavs are now a threat in the west, and how they proved something to the Lakers. Well, 61 points on 20-39 shooting between Dirk and Terry will not happen over a 7-game series, and probably not again, ever.
I think we started really well, and that run that gave us a 9-point lead looked nice. Unfortunately, we played poorly down the stretch, and never could get any string of stops together.
I’m more bummed out that I worked Tuesday late and missed that game, I wasted a good three hours tonight getting pissed at the mav fans and lack of effort by the Lakers. Oh well.
Hopefully we’ll get some more of this soon…
Agrees and Disagrees
I strongly agree that D.Fish took too many FGA attempts, which is already a negative indication that too many perimeter shots are taken. I was also concerned with his minutes. Out of the past 20 Laker games I’ve seen, he was most optimal playing @ 25 mins/game, regardless of W/L.
If there are too many missed perimeter shots, it makes it more difficult to get the offensive rebound as it becomes harder to anticipate the trajectory of the ball. I wouldn’t put it solely on lack of effort on our end or more active effort on theirs. As Marcus Camby said, the key to rebounding is anticipating where the ball will go.
I am so over the regular season…. and perhaps the lakers are a little over it too…
im getting past the point of annoyance with our backcourt…its like a crap shoot everytime we step out on the court. Brown has to shoot less. Fisher has to find a way to defend faster guys, or just stay on the bench. and Farmar has to learn to be consistent. Gasol needs step up as the number 2 man, cuz as it is LO is giving him a run for his money.
To be honest, I’m frankly just tired of this whole situation. Lets just get to the playoffs already and see where the dice fall
In Kobe we trust!
I guess Fish is considering retirement....
check out this vid from “rick” over at the espn message boards…. Fish says he’s thinking this is his last year, even talks about how he’s hurt by all the fansites bashing him…
woah
he seemed pretty bummed. maybe he’s taking this loss like it WAS his fault.
"i always tell the truth..even when i lie."
I dont think we can put the blame on one person for this L
everyone couldve played better, as a team we played horrible D, and our bigs act like they’re afraid to have a nose for the ball on the glass. I just want them to be consistent is all. they’ll fix this before the playoffs im sure of it. I just dont want to lose homecourt. you know if we meet bron in the finals whistles will be blown everytime someone even tries to defend him in the Q.
"If your not first, then your last"
Ricky Bobby
not one person to blame
but the blame line goes in some order like this…
1) Fisher for sucking hard on defense and having a terrible shooting night. Is it me or does not know how to get around any screens?
2) Bynum for 5 TO and 2 BA and not knowing how to play a post up game. Why is his starting position so far away form the basket? And he needs to learn how to pass out of his post up positions at some point in his life.
3/4) Kobe for shooting that ridiculous 3 when they were 3 points behind. I know a lot of fans like that 3 from about 3 feet behind the arc, but I am not a fan of that shot at any point unless time is running out (even if he makes it). And Pau for being extremely passive this game. I’m hoping this was just a back-to-back issue.
added to that, it was very, very close to going in, the defense was on the perimeter
and it was an easy offensive rebound had Gasol not let everyone slap it out of his hands and push him out of the way
like i said
I know a lot of fans, and I mean alot, like that “killer” 3. I do not. Too many people have selective memories and only remember the ones he makes. He has missed too many of those for me to believe that is the best shot he can take.
by heinzketchup on Feb 25, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
It wasnt like we had alot of time to run the offense
we were down 3 and considering how Dirk and Terry were shooting freethrows we would have still been down 3 had we hit a 2 so it was take a 3 then or take one with even less time on the clock….A drive and dish would have been nice but who was he gonna dish to for 3? Fisher? lol
Kobe isnt good, he's just better than your favorite player
There was some strategy involved
Keep in mind that the shot was taken as part of a 2 for 1 situation. If Kobe makes it, not only is the score tied, but the Lakers are guaranteed a chance to match or beat Dallas on the final possession, and even a miss would theoretically allow the Lakers to not have to foul immediately. In this case, Pau getting the offensive rebound and then fumbling it out of bounds killed the strategy, but there was more to it than just making the “killer” 3.
I don’t know if that means it was a good decision, just want it represented fairly.
now that i watched that play again
It didnt look like Kobe was into that shot. Seemed kind of rushed. Lebron would have drove and got hte and1.
by heinzketchup on Feb 26, 2010 1:36 AM PST up reply actions
After rewatching, Mark Jackson hit in this very topic during the end of the game....
The teams that play LA very, very physical have the best chance of beating them. They push, pull, and hit as often as not and when they start getting away with a few fouls it gets in the LA players heads. It happened in the Boston series two years ago and LA was able to withstand it last year. It’s happening again this year, in greater bunches. Denver, Dallas, Boston, and Cleveland all played LA with great physicality, and all got the benefit of the whistle. And, don’t get me wrong, I’m not blaming the officiating, it’s just what is happening. they are fouling so often and in so many different ways (announcers call it being physical and tough minded) that it gets them in the game in a way their skill cannot. Lamar was being pushed a LOT by Haywood last night, and then he would get calls against him for minor contact (this is in the 4th quarter), and it had a VERY visible impact on Lamar. Pau and Drew had their own battles that they lost. They could no longer take it in the paint, at all, because they were being tugged, slapped and pushed without the referees taking notice. Drew became overly frustrated, and Pau simply starting working away from the post. This EXACT same situation occurred against Cleveland, twice. I want to say that the Lakers should return the favor on the physicality, but it seems like it may backfire. Drew is always in foul trouble, because he fouls Early, and at the wrong time; and then loses physicality and focus. I’d like to see the Lakers become sneakier with their fouls, like the teams they are playing, and really work on not committing the obvious hack across the arm ones that we seem so content to rack up on. The teams are getting into the Lakers heads by the end of the game, and it’s quite obvious to see.
Dallas is not a physical team.
They have a couple of scrappers but they’re no where near other “physical” teams. Haywood may have been pushing Lamar, but that didn’t seem to be a factor to me.
I think the frustration at the lack of fouls is something we’ve dealt with for the last few years, Drew is a notorious cry-baby, arm-thrower.
We lost last night because we turned over the basketball, got out-rebounded (we gave up 13 offensive rebounds), and had to face Dirk and Terry playing probably one of their best games of the year.
Not losing sleep about this lost.
Call it what you want, end of back2back, jet lag.. whatever. We just didn’t put up the effort that was expected of a championship team. If you rewind your dvr’s, you’ll see that there was just too much dribbling and not a whole lot of ball movement on the offense last night. It also didn’t help that everyone was sluggish as no one tried more efforts on their cuts and or facilitate the offense. As for defense, it was a slow reactive with little to no help on most instances (see the lack of switching) and not the anticipation that we are accustomed to.
It might not workout last night but i hope they just be mindful of this one and hope it wont be a habit or else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFNeBRc7W7s&NR=1
not a bad loss
As stated, the Lakers lost to a top team on the road off a back to back. They didnt get blown out, Dirk and Terry played about as well as we’ll see, while Kobe and Fisher had off nights.Kobes’ is excusable because he did miss 3 wks, so his shot is gonna take time, and none of the other guards stepped up. Artest had his moments, Bynum couldn’t get a call in the paint as he was raked repeatedly going to the rack, with some questionable travel calls against him. All in all, Lakers were still in it til the end…I think Kobe rushed the 3 at the end for the tie…could have worked it around a little for a better look…he was way beyond the arc, but i still like Lakers chances against any team in a best of 7 series….and yes..Gasol needs to play like someone stole his lunch money !!
Wow
How can anyone defend Fisher? Im not blaming him for the loss but lets be honest he has no business being in the Starting Lineup….Name one team in the ENTIRE league where Fisher would start, Just one! A pg’s role on an offense that uses a “traditional” pg is to Break down the D and distribute the ball…That’s 10 times easier to do when you have a slow PG guarding you….Look at who the Lakers are gonna hafta face in the playoffs…His intangibles arent gonna keep him from getting beat like a drum,besides that he doesnt even make other Points work on Defense which leaves them with a full tank to destroy him on offense…I dont know what Phil is doing but he needs to sit Fish down and let farmar have the offense and live with the results
Kobe isnt good, he's just better than your favorite player
by EmmCeee on Feb 25, 2010 11:02 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
i wish i could rec this more than once
by desecrator09 on Feb 25, 2010 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
You're both wrong
The PG is not asked to penetrate in the triangle. That’s why fish is the starter. Wings penetrate & PGs man the outside of the triangle and occasionally cut to the basket.
Farmar was pulled last night because he cherry-picked instead of helping defend the defensive glass. Led to an open Terry 3.
listening to Anything Desecrator09 says is useless.
he has no confidence and always shows up to point out whats wrong.
rofl im not the only one who agrees wit EmmeCee's theory
dont be hatin now….
by desecrator09 on Feb 25, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not trying to, it is just that you are overwhelmingly negative in every thread I see you in
It wouldn’t hurt to show a little bit of positivity.
wtf you talking about
i havent said anything overwhelmingly negative in a while. And when i have, im usually not the only one
by desecrator09 on Feb 25, 2010 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Javen O likes to pick fights..
…let children be children..
Kobe: "If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail," he says, laughing. "You know what I mean? Fuck it."
You're wrong because I wasnt speaking about the PG's role in the triangle.
I was talking about a Pg’s use in a “traditional” offense and the fact that Fisher cant prevent any of that from happening…He cant drive to the basket, he cant defend anyone driving to the basket…He cant hit open shots, he cant prevent the man he’s guarding from getting open shots….Just look at the past opponents production from the man Fisher mainly guarded…Billups exploded-Ray Allen exploded-Terry-exploded Conley did more than normal-and Curry just missed alot of open shots….
Im also tired of hearing about how clutch Fish is and what he’s done for the Lakers…I appreciate everything he’s done but the Fact remains for this years Laker squad he is a MAJOR Liability…..He’s worse than last year in EVERY statistical category besides turnovers….If he doesnt go to the bench we are gonna be in a for a looong expletive filled playoff run and he will get bashed again and again until he retires and then I like most Laker Fans will love Fish again, until then its open season on him
Kobe isnt good, he's just better than your favorite player
Err, tell Fisher that
Might not stop him from attempting to attack the basket once or twice a game, but whatever.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
fisher
i still dont understand the double stantard with phil! farmar or brown jack up a bad shot or 2 and they get pulled yet fisher can jack up horrible brick after brick and get 35-40 minutes! i understand he is the veteran,but if i was farmar i would be pissed with that! farmar been playing well lately but not getting consistent minutes! fisher cant guard anymore that is clear to see and his shot isnt there consistently either! why not give farmar more 2 and 3 quarter minutes and play fish the crucial 4rth unless farmar is playing well!
by the fantasy king on Feb 25, 2010 1:34 PM PST reply actions
Any Fisher Bashers In Here
Just Leave D-Fish Alone…I Didn’t Read Every Single Comment From This Board, But I Read Enough Bashing On Fisher…I Mean Sure, He’s Older And Ain’t What He Use To Be, But I’m Glad He’s Back With The Lakers…His Number On The Courts Ain’t Up To Our Expectations, But None Of Us Know Exactly How Much He Brings To This Team Other Then The Lakers…There Must Be A Reason Why He’s Still With Us, Otherwise I’m Sure He Would’ve Been Dealt…
I Don’t Understand That After Every Loss, Someone Needs To Be Blamed…I Agree With mrbarneydangles, This Is A Team Sport So The Whole Team Needs To Be Blamed If You Wannah Point Fingers…
I Don’t Think Bringing Fisher Out Of The Starting Line-Up Is The Answer…I Think We Should Start Bringing Bynum Off The Bench, Move Odom To PF, And Gasol To Center…Bynum Starts Off Great, But He Loses That Ferociousness Down The Line, Maybe It’s Cause He Get’s Tired Fast…Lamar Odom Has Been Cleaning The Glass Consistantly…I Really Believe That We Lost This Game From The Lack Of Effort To Grab Rebounds…Bynum Has The Potential To Be A Beast, But He Has To Stop Being A Fruitcake During The 2nd Half Of The Games…
rofl i think you need to go back to elementary school
to learn which words in English are supposed to be capitalized
by desecrator09 on Feb 25, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
Gasol at center ha
He’s having his toughness issues right now. Let’s not put him at center.
I liked how last night’s game showed a lot of individual Lakers weakness:
1) Fisher shoots too much and does not have the speed he used too
2) Kobe leaves his man open. This is team defense, that’s why you have 4 other players. Start taking some responsibility.
3) Artest should and could board better
4) Gasol you lack toughness and his hands stunk last night
5) Bynum needs to be more willing to pass the ball back outside
6) Odom – Not bad, though sometimes you disappear. Can you be a good role player on this team?
7) Farmar – Your defensive inconsistency showed its ugly head again. Defensive hustle will lead to good offense. Howland should have taught you that.
8) Brown – You cannot run the triangle offense and you do not have the green light to bomb away.
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