Do you think people will forget Kobe?
by Marty Mart on Feb 24, 2010 10:19 AM PST
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Now, I frequent the Cavs blog often. Mostly cuz I can't always watch Cavs games so I go to see what they say about them. I also go there to see the ridiculousness that is some Cleveland fans. Now, I'm not big on Kobe-Lebron debates anymore just because I'll never change my mind and its hard to find any reasonable enough fan of basketball to truly discuss them. But this is just one ridiculous quote that I thought I would share. A contributor, writes about his opinion on who he would take Kobe or Lebron, and he was fairly accurate about where people's opinions lie on both players. It goes as follows:
"If you would appreciate an honest answer coming from a huge LBJ fan, i would say that Lebron is far more athletic as Kobe has ever been, making Leborn an obvious choice as far as who would have been better had they started at the same time.
Kobe has by far been luckier to have had the type of organization like the Lakers to surround him with some of the games greatest players, he was also lucky enough to play alongside Shaquille Oneal at his prime.
Lebron is far more dominating on and off the ball, Lebron almost always makes his presence felt on every single play, the guy is like a great white shark swimming in a pool of monk seals, but Kobe stands out to me as the better clutch shooter.
Kobe can also score the ball easier than James can, he has so many different ways he can score and he is such a great shooter, but LBJ is the better teammate simply because he makes everyone around him better because of his court vision.
Overall i would say they both bring different aspects to the game that cancels out each of their strengths and weaknesses (ie kobe scores easy but fails to make his teammates better, Lebron doesnt shoot as well as Bryant but he doesnt need to when hes setting up others to score)"
But then he ends it as such:
"Kobe needs to play with stars because he’s that obvious! everyone in the building knows hes the go to guy. Lebron does not need stars, i mean he makes JJ Hickson look like Shawn Kemp!
my breakdown?…..Kobe is a 9.3 and Lebron is a 9.25…simply because he has no rings…when that changes, no one will remember Kobe…and that is the truth, not being sarcastic on that one."
I responded already with the usual 81-pt game, highest scoring Laker, yada yada yada. But I was just curious on your thoughts. Will people forget Kobe not just because of Lebron, but in the waning years ten-twenty years later, will he be talked about like Magic or will he be talked about like Norm Nixon?
By the way, I won't say who it was because I know some are overzealous in their actions and I'm sure he doesn't need anyone coming at him about something as minor as this.
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Here was my response btw
“I’m not so sure anyone will just forget the highest scoring Laker in history. Or a player who has the second highest in-game non-overtime point total in NBA history, and one of the highest scoring halves in history. Or 4 different championships. or only the second player this decade to have 5 game-winning shots in a season. There are so many problems with the end to this analysis. And if anyone ever did just forget him because another player won one championship, then it’ll be another thing in a long list of things he doesn’t get credit for in his career.”
In my eyes, that is the equivelant of saying:
You will forget about Shaquille O’neal as soon as Dwight Howard wins a ring. It just is not gonna happen. You dont forget about the greats, and Kobe is one of the best there ever has been.
Did u forget about Hakeem Olajuwan when Shaq won his first ring?
Did u forget about Michael Jordan when Kobe won his first ring?
Did u forget about Magic Johnson when Jordan won his first ring?
Did u forget about Larry Bird when Garnett won his first ring?
Did u forget about Isaiah Thomas when Billups won his first ring?
I could go on and on and on…. It just doesnt happen. Kobe is one of the greats, and will never be forgotten.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
or a better comparison:
do u forget to wipe ur ass when u take a dump? um…… no
lol at this guy.
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
by LakersFoEva on Feb 24, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL!!!!
hahahahahah!!!!!!!! OMG! dude that caught me off guard!!!!! lmao!!
effing rec’d!
Kobe: "If you’re afraid to fail, then you’re probably going to fail," he says, laughing. "You know what I mean? Fuck it."
had to throw it out there.
asking if we will forget kobe is almost the same as
asking if we will forget to wipe
"I work my ass off every day in practice. How many other guys can say the same thing? Not many. I'm fighting against becoming soft. That's the worse thing you can say to a basketball player." - Dennis Rodman
I will never forget KB and all lakers
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by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 24, 2010 11:35 AM PST reply actions
Kobe won't be forgotten.
There are too many highlights of him putting on a clinic and he has those championships.
“If you would appreciate an honest answer coming from a huge LBJ fan, i would say that Lebron is far more athletic as Kobe has ever been, making Leborn an obvious choice as far as who would have been better had they started at the same time.
Based athletic ability, if they both started their careers at the same time, Lebron would have been the better player? :Head explodes:
Kobe has by far been luckier to have had the type of organization like the Lakers to surround him with some of the games greatest players, he was also lucky enough to play alongside Shaquille Oneal at his prime.
Not Kobe’s fault, so move on. You can say the same about umm…..Tim Duncan, KG, PP, Ray Allen, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic, Hakeem Olajuwon…etc. Phil Jackson wouldn’t have been all that great if he wasn’t coaching HOFers.
Lebron is far more dominating on and off the ball, Lebron almost always makes his presence felt on every single play, the guy is like a great white shark swimming in a pool of monk seals, but Kobe stands out to me as the better clutch shooter.
Hyperbole! Yes, Lebron made his presence known that Magic game this past weekend. Too early? Whatevs.
Kobe can also score the ball easier than James can, he has so many different ways he can score and he is such a great shooter, but LBJ is the better teammate simply because he makes everyone around him better because of his court vision.
Overall i would say they both bring different aspects to the game that cancels out each of their strengths and weaknesses (ie kobe scores easy but fails to make his teammates better, Lebron doesnt shoot as well as Bryant but he doesnt need to when hes setting up others to score)"
“Kobe needs to play with stars because he’s that obvious! everyone in the building knows hes the go to guy. Lebron does not need stars, i mean he makes JJ Hickson look like Shawn Kemp!
Dammit, Kobe! Get your assist numbers up because you’re not making your teammates better! Slacker!
Why his argument is flawed.....FAIL!
Obviously and understandably no Laker fan will say that they will forget Kobe. Personally I think this is dealing more with legacy rather than who is better now. That being said, NO! Kobe will not be forgotten and he is already a top 10 player of all time. In reality, the post above from the Cavs fan tried to point that Lebron was and is and will be better than Kobe and the same time trying to make his comments seem un-bias but they weren’t.
Second, if we as fans are going to try and discredit every NBA player and their legacy by using the argument that, "well he had great talent around him" then we might as well erase the legacy of 90% of the players who have won titles. Everyone needs stars because if that wasn’t true then tell me any other player who has won a title without at least another All Star to assist him. He hasn’t had an All Star to help him until this year in Jamison, so does that mean that IF Lebron wins a title this year with Shaq and Jamison that his argument is pretty much a failed one?
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 24, 2010 12:46 PM PST reply actions
By the end of his career, Kobe Bryant may go down
as the greatest Laker player of all time (that alone is saying something when you look up in the rafters of the Staples Center and realize who has played for the Lakers). Depending on how many more championship seasons he has, he may well end up in the arguement of greatest NBA player of all time. Kobe’s legacy will go down as one of the great clutch players of all time and his 81-point game will be remembered forever.
Kobe has been great for the Lakers, the City of Los Angeles, the NBA and the leader of Team USA basketball!
No more raining on Bruins Nation's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home.
Wait, Kobe doesn't make his teammates better? Look no further than Tough Juice:
Butler didn’t become an All-Star until a couple of seasons after he left LA, but he firmly believes that the lessons he learned from Kobe played a major role in his development.
“That was the best thing that ever could have happened for me personally for my career,” said Butler, who will match up against Kobe tonight. “To play alongside a guy like that, see his preparation and what it takes to get to that level, that’s why I was able to be so good in Washington. I took everything I learned from him, being under his wing, and took that to Washington and it made me very successful.”
Butler, who still talks to Kobe every week or two, said he learned what work ethic was all about that season. He saw how Kobe got to the gym early in the morning and stayed late, how he studied film and prepared for opponents, how he trained during the offseason and used it as the pattern for his schedule.
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallasmavericks/post/_/id/4666374/butler-kobe-made-me-better
In a way Kobe carried Shaq while he as a Laker
There were a couple of season’s prior to the break-up where Shaq was coming in out of shape and going through the motions (at least during stretches of the regular season). Kobe always came ready to play and all out. When guys like Robert Horry and Shaq cruised through the season, Kobe was out there trying to win everygame.
I was at a Lakers v Warriors game during that run where Shaq fouled out in the first half, the Lakers fell behind by 30-points, but Kobe willed the team back into the game, tied it with a last second tip-in and helped win in it the OT. All us Lakers’ fans were chanting ‘Kobe’ the rest of the night.
No more raining on Bruins Nation's rainy parade, they took their ball and went home.
shaq may have been the so-called "first option"
but kobe was the “go to” guy.
they were like two key “role players” in a way
Lebron has god given talent
This will overtime fade….
Kobe works diligently on every trick, skill, move he can.
There wont be a comparison by the time their carriers are over unless Lebron chooses to start developing into more than just an athletically gifted freak of man child.
i absolutely hate this kind of music but i thought it would be funny to post this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSz16ngdsG0
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Feb 24, 2010 5:37 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Let's see..
Highest scoring Laker
81 point game
Former MVP
Former Finals MVP
Four Championships (for the first three It’s Shaq AND Kobe not Shaq WITH Kobe, see the difference)
An olympic gold medal
One of the greatest clutch shooters which ever step foot on the court
Rape case
Arrogance but backs it up
Has a good and solid chance to tie or surpass MJ’s six championships
Incredible work ethic
The next best thing to a Michael Jordan (LeBron fans you just have to admit, LeBron is an animal but a different kind)
cant forget this
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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by Czheck on Feb 24, 2010 7:24 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Checkmate!
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Lebron makes teammates better?
LBJ is the better teammate simply because he makes everyone around him better because of his court vision.
Really? Then how come in 3 of the 4 losses to the Magic in the ECF last season he scored 40+ points and the next closest scorer on the team had 15-18 points? He tried to do everything himself and it didn’t work, just like Kobe did early on. Let’s see if Lebron learns.
Oh, and nobody will forget Kobe Bryant and that is a fact. If you think otherwise then you are fooliing yourself.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
I’m a Cavs fan and i’m hardly Kobe’s biggest supporter but anyone who says Kobe will be forgotten is foolish. IMO Lebron is better overall than Kobe but i still think Kobe is a top 10 all time player. People don’t “forget” top 10 all time players, he is a legend, he will be a deserving first ballot hall of famer, he has won 4 rings, MVP, finals MVP, olympic gold medal (amongst other things), he has done everything a basketball player can possibly do.
I’m a little embarrassed a fellow cavs fan said something like that. I just don’t understand the logic of that argument. When Lebron does finally get a ring, whenever that day happens to be (hopefully in a few months from now) it takes absolutely NOTHING away from Kobe’s legacy and everything he has achieved. So this guy thinks that in like 20 years people will be saying “who was that other guy who played at the start of the century at the same time as lebron, i heard he was a pretty good player”.
In this aspect the best comparison is Bird and Magic, when one achieved success it didn’t take anything from the other. They both played at the same time, they were the best of their era and they’re both still remembered today. I think Lebron and Kobe will be remembered the same way. As two of the game’s greats, not as “Lebron and that other guy”.
You are correct Cavs fan
I was debating whether or not to post something as it would give some type of worthiness to an absurd “Kobe will be forgotten” statement. But it’s good to see some sanity represented from Ohio. Kobe will obviously never be forgotten. Shoot, I think it’s safe to say we remember who Chris Mullen is, who Mitch Richmond is, who Detlaf Schrempf is, who John Paxon is, who Sean Elliot is. If those guys are remembered than how will Kobe effing Bryant be forgotten
Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.
I don't get the "Lebron makes his teammates better" quotes.
Sure he is racking up assists, but he has been asked to fill that role. Assists are not a true measure of making players better, it simply means he can dump it off to the wide open guy. It’s not like anyone is walking around with these grand misconceptions that the people he is playing with are superstars. We are not talking about Magic propelling AC Green to an all star game. And who cares anyway? The point is not to make your teammates better, but to make the team better.
I am not trying to knock Lebron. He is a stud and has the all around skills that other than maybe the “big O” the NBA has never seen, but come on—the Cavs are Lebron and the Lebron’s. That is not making your teammates better.
As far as the better player, well…Lebron has got a long way to go to match Kobe’s career and that will be as much a battle against father time as against other NBA players.
Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast.
seriously, half the world dont even care about Lebron, and they all know KOBE, especially in Asia
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