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THE GLOAT

After watching Kobe Bryant pass Jerry West as the Lakers all-time leading scorer in franchise history last night against the Memphis Grizzlies, a thought came to my mind: "Who is the GLOAT (greatest Laker of all time)?" The obvious choice at this point in time is Kobe. He is the perennial all-star on a team full of stars. It seems obvious, but is it really that clear cut. Kobe has played almost as many years as a Laker, as every other Laker Great. Being somewhat young myself, 25, I was a very young lad when Kareem, Magic & Worthy were running the Lakers, and having their rivalry games with the Celtics. So I have very little memory of them and the earliest Lakers I can remember watching were Nick the Quick, Vlade Divac & Eddie Jones.

So, who is the greatest Laker of all time, in regards to what he put into the franchise in the time he was a Laker?

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Kobe Bryant
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In 14 years as a Laker, he has gotten them to the postseason every year except for one ('04-'05). He is responsible for 4 Lakers Championships (and counting...). He is 1st on the scoring list, 3rd in assists, 2nd in steals, 10th in rebounds & 7th in blocks. He holds the record for most points scored in a quarter (30), half (55) & game (81). He also has the record for most points in one season (2,832 in '05-'06). He has logged 36,440 minutes and has 25,208 points. That is .69 points per minute. He has 2 NBA scoring titles, 1 regular season MVP, 1 Finals MVP, he is a 13 time all-star, has 3 all-star MVP's & is a slam dunk champion. He has been on the All-NBA team 10 times. Most of his damage in the Laker record books is in scoring.

 

Magic Johnson
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In 13 years as a Laker (i counted his comeback in '95-'96), he has gotten them to the postseason every year. He is responsible for 5 Laker Championships. He is 1st on the assists list, 5th in scoring, 3rd in rebounds, 1st in steals & 11th in blocks. He holds the record for most assists in a quarter (12), half (18) & game (24). He holds almost every Laker assist record there is. He has logged 33,245 minutes and has 17,707 points & 10,141 assists. That is .53 points per minute & .30 assists per minute. He was on the All-NBA team 10 times, has 3 regular season MVPs, an All-Star game MVP, has been in 12 All-Star games & has 1 Finals MVP. His time as a Laker was cut short due to his battle with HIV.

 

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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In 14 years as a Laker, he has gotten them to the postseason every year. He is responsible for 5 Laker Championships. He is 3rd on the scoring list, 3nd in rebounds, 1st in blocks, 6th in steals & 6th in assists. He has logged 37,492 minutes as a Laker and has 24,176 points and has 10,279 rebounds. That is .64 points per minute & .27 rebounds per minute. He has 3 MVP's as a Laker, & a Finals MVP. He holds the NBA record for most points scored & most All-Star game selections. He could have been higher on all the all-time Laker lists, but spent his first 6 years in the league with the Milwaukee Bucks.

 

Jerry West

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In 14 years as a Laker, he has gotten them to the postseason every year except for one. He is responsible for 1 Laker Championship, with 9 trips to the finals. He is 2nd on the scoring list, 2nd in assists, 9th in rebounds. Steals and blocks were not recorded as a stat until he retired. He has logged 36,571 minutes and has 25,192 points & 6,238 assists. That is .68 points per minute & .17 assists per minute. He was on the All-NBA team 12 times, was an All-Star 14 times & has 1 All-Star game MVP. He is the only person to be named Finals MVP, and be on the losing team. He hit many "clutch" shots in his day, and is the NBA's logo.

 

Elgin Baylor

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In 14 years as Laker, he has gotten them to the postseason every year except two (and he was injured those 2 years). He is responsible for 0 Laker Championships. He was in the middle of the move to LA, when the Minneapolis franchise was struggling. He is 4th on the scoring list, 1st in rebounds & 7th in assists. Steals and blocks were not recorded when he played. He has logged 33,863 minutes and has 23,149 points & 11,463 rebounds. That is .68 points per minute & .33 rebounds per minute. He was on the All-NBA team 10 times and the All-Star team 11 times. Some say he is the greatest player to never win a championship.

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I tried to stick with players that were Lakers for most of their careers (13-14 years). Some others that could be mentioned with these players, but were not Lakers for that many years are:

Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O'Neal, Gail Goodrich, George Mikan, James Worthy...

At this point in time, I would have to say Magic Johnson. It is amazing to think that a rookie can receive the MVP award. When he was drafted by Los Angeles, and with Kareem already in place, the dynasty was put into motion and the rest is history. Magic brought the Laker franchise to the dynasty it is today. Jerry can be considered the greatest Laker, I just never saw any of his games and the only highlight I ever see of him is his 3/4 court shot in the playoffs to send it into overtime. Same with Elgin. I have never seen video if him playing so its hard to just go off of stats. Kareem also gets alot of consideration. He would have been the greatest Laker, IMO, if those 6 years in Milwaukee were with the Lakers. This is why this is such a great debate?

However, I believe that once Kobe's career is over, he will be considered the 'GLOAT' (Greatest Laker of All Time). He could possibly be considered the 'GOAT', but that title would entail a whole other fan post with a HUGE can of worms......

Poll
Who is the GLOAT (Greatest Laker of All Time)?
Kobe Bryant
48 votes
Magic Johson
43 votes
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6 votes
Jerry West
3 votes
Elgin Baylor
0 votes
Wilt Chamberlain
2 votes
Shaquille O'Neal
2 votes
Gail Goodrich
0 votes
George Mikan
0 votes
James Worthy
0 votes
Other
0 votes

104 votes | Poll has closed

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My vote's for Magic

Not sure if it’s more personal driven, but he led the team to 5 rings and was amazing to watch. Showtime started with Magic and I don’t think I’d be quite as obsessed with the Lakers without growing up in the 80’s during this era. I do think Kobe is closing and should be considered one of the top 5 Lakers already.

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 2, 2010 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

My sentiments exatly.

I grew up watching the Showtime Lakers during the 80’s with those classic NBA matchups with the Celtics. Magic with his 5 rings is #1 in my book and just made all his teammates better from the first day he played center. Man it was fun to watch him play. The way Kobe is playing and if he gets a couple of more rings by the time his career is all said and done, I have no doubt that Kobe will the the #1 Lakers of all time.

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by weazel on Feb 2, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Kobe will be #1 when it's all sai and done.

But right now? It’s still Magic. 5 Rings. 9 Finals. Still the best PG ever.

by wondahbap on Feb 2, 2010 11:08 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, in the end, I am hoping....

Kobe has 7-8 titles and 10 Finals appearances, with 3-4 Finals MVP’s.

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by LakersFoEva on Feb 2, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Then he would be the GLOAT, IMO

"People are going to judge you. They threw rocks at Jesus. So what do you think they’re going to do to me?" -Stephen Jackson

by LakersFoEva on Feb 2, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, if he gets us another 3-4 rings

then no doubt about it

Woohoo, I get to look forward to another 7-6 season ("at best") in 2010! There's nothing like going to Idaho for a bowl game.

by S Jay Bruin on Feb 2, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Magic

nuff said…

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Feb 2, 2010 3:01 PM PST reply actions  

Magic now

Probably Kobe at the end of his career. He probably can keep this pace up for quite some time.

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by Ben R on Feb 2, 2010 6:15 PM PST reply actions  

Amazingly

Kobe has a great shot at it..

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 3, 2010 8:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Jerry West didn't have three pointers

He’s made 1269 three pointers, so he should actually be that many points behind Jerry West.

Not to steal Kobe’s thunder, he’d get those points soon enough. Just goes to show how impressive Jerry’s record is.

by 99bc99 on Feb 3, 2010 7:49 AM PST reply actions  

Jerry didn't play for Del Harris either....

So Kobe could have passed him even sooner…. =)

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by pslakerfan on Feb 3, 2010 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Kobe's a close #2, right behind Magic

The gap’s closing though, if Kobe ends his career as a Laker and helps the franchise win a couple more chips.

The fact that he’s already passed the legendary Jerry West is something we as Laker fans have to stand back and just appreciate. Kobe may not have played in the showtime era, but we’ve got 81, 62, and Kobe’s dedication to the game.That in itself is something pretty special to watch.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Feb 4, 2010 1:11 AM PST reply actions  

If Kobe gets six titles or more..I will vote for him as the GLOAT for sure....

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Feb 4, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Magic Vs. Kobe

Magic I believe is the greatest PLAYER of all-time, simply because, given any other era, his teams win 7-9 championships instead of 5. His Showtime Lakers had to beat other all-time teams in the Dr. J Sixers, Bird’s Celt’s, and the bad boys of Detroit. They lost a 7 gamer to a mentally tougher Celtic team in 84, though they really were better, they lost 2 championships to injuries (83-no Worthy- McAdoo, Wilkes, Nixon banged up bad,89- my personal choice of best Laker team, went undefeated in playoffs till finals, lost Byron Scott day before series and Magic midway through 2nd game). Put these Laker teams in 60’s,70’s they win at least 7, maybe all 9 finals appearances. In the 90’s they beat Bulls at least 4 times, possibly every series. Now I know Bulls beat the Lakers, but that was NOT the Showtime Lakers, it was a slowtime, halfcourt, Magic dominating over-achieving Laker team that finished 2nd in the Pacific to Portland and upset them to get to the Finals. ( I mean can you name who the Bulls beat otherwise.) They win at least 6 in the 90’s. In the 2000’s, better than 3-peat Lakers, better than Spurs, Celts lose in 5, 2 years ago. Last years Lakers could beat them but tough, tough series. Magic’s Showtime Lakers win at least 7 in the 00’s.
All this is why Magic is the Best, his competition was as well. No other teams had to face those levels of quality opponents.
Kobe is the most gifted and amazing player to wear P&G, but his level of competition to this point does not overcome Magic. Now say for instance he beats what’s his name in Cleveland this year or wins 2 more championships against several 60+ win teams. An argument can then truelly be made.
What is sick and awesome for Laker fans is that we can debate upwards of 6-7 greatest Lakers and each of them could be Greatest Players of all-time. Amazing to be a Laker fan!

by fins on Feb 5, 2010 2:32 PM PST reply actions  

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