Win against Celtics creates Big dilemma for Phil Jackson
The Los Angeles Lakers picked up a great win yesterday, coming from behind to beat the Boston Celtics 90-89, with the final points of the game coming on a clutch jumper from Kobe Bryant, but that obviously doesn't tell the whole story. This was a game of runs, and fortunately for us, the Lakers took the last leg. But, yesterday's result does provide the coaching staff with a dilemma: Which bigs should be on the floor to close out a game?
With 5:50 remaining in the game, the Lakers were down 78-84. They had been chipping at Boston's lead slowly for the entire quarter. It was at this point that Andrew Bynum replaced Pau Gasol on the floor. That's not unusual, as Pau had played 41 out of 42 minutes up to that point. He needed a rest. The unusual part? Pau didn't return to the game until there were 27 seconds left and the Lakers had the ball, down 1. Bynum has often been the odd man out when it comes to finishing close games, with Phil Jackson usually preferring a lineup including Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol. Bynum has been clamoring for crunch time minutes, and he couldn't have asked for a bigger stage on which to be given those minutes.
He did not disappoint, though I certainly can't say he was the difference maker either. I re-watched that portion of the game, with the intention of focusing purely on what Bynum was doing. His numbers during that stretch were not particularly impressive. He had only one rebound by my count, the offensive board and failed put back that led to Shannon Brown's putback throw down, but the Lakers only gave up one offensive rebound over that stretch (off the backboard camera no less) so he can't be blamed for that. He only scored two points on 1-2 shooting, but those two points did come on a gorgeous turnaround fadeaway, and despite strong defense from Kendrick Perkins.
And we already know the kid can score. At just 22, he's one of the most polished low post players in the league. What has presumably kept him out of PJ's end game is defense. On defense, he did a very good job of staying active. He didn't block, or even contest, any shots, but he was roaming the paint like the biggest free safety in the history of the world, and it seemed to work. The ball only came in his direction only twice. The first was on a Paul Pierce screen, and Bynum did a very good job of staying with him, forcing Pierce to bail out to Rondo at the top of the key. The second, he was forced to recover late as Kendrick Perkins was about to dunk, and he took a hard foul to send Perkins to the line instead. Perkins went 1-2, so it was a very good foul. There's not much to read into, but perhaps we can read into that in an of itself. Boston clearly didn't think of Bynum as an advantage to be exploited. They only ran Bynum through pick and rolls twice, and he did about as well as he could with them both times. They rarely took the ball into the paint.
How much can we read into this performance? On the one hand, Bynum's performance certainly didn't jump off the page, but on the other hand, he didn't try to do too much either. He didn't play game changing defense, but I think you have to take his performance from the context of the team's overall performance, and while he was on the floor, the Lakers outscored Boston 10-5, in over 5 minutes of action. Whether he played a major role in it or not, Bynum was certainly on the court as the Lakers team made the most important run of the game.
What Bynum did show is that he's capable of performing in the crunch. I don't know whether it was ever in question or not, but if so, that question has been answered. The question that remains is: Can he perform better in the crunch than our other bigs? No matter how well he plays, there's no guarantee that he'll play at the end of the game, because he's fighting for time with two extremely high quality big men.
Each of the three big men has their own set of strengths and weaknesses. Lamar is almost certainly the best defender of the three, especially on the pick and roll. Bynum is the most intimidating of the three, and the best shot blocker, though we all know he's capable of being much better in both of those categories than he actually is. He's also the biggest and strongest of the 3. Gasol is a mixture of both, nimble and quick-footed, with good size, but lacking strength. Both Gasol and Bynum have the edge on Lamar offensively, but Lamar spaces the floor better than both, which may be more in tune with what the Lakers want to do at the end of games.
Personally, I don't see Lamar being taken off the court in end game situations. He's the most active defender, the best pick and roll defender, and the only area the Lakers game might suffer with him on the court is offensively. And, despite Bynum's good performance yesterday, it's hard to justify the idea that he should play over Gasol except in certain situations where we need his muscle more than Gasol's grace. I don't know why he played till the end. Maybe Boston is one of the aforementioned teams where strength is a very valuable commodity. Maybe PJ just wanted to reward Bynum for a strong game. Maybe he wanted to experiment with a new end game lineup. Maybe Gasol was gassed after playing so many minutes already. Whatever it was, it's very good to know that if we do need him, Bynum can be every bit as effective in end game situations as he is the rest of the time. There are no wrong answers to the question, only varying degrees of right. It's a conundrum that 29 other teams wish they had to solve.
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It was a good win for us.
But im not taking too much from it, i know boston is good but they have been struggling lately ithink they are like 7-7 in their past games. I still want to see us perform better against the other top teams.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
But i am glad we didnt back down from their physicality, and wilt under pressure
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Feb 1, 2010 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
when you say "we",
i think you mean every laker except Pau. The man’s performances have been pretty dissapointing when we have played any team with a decent big man. I hope he gets out of the slmup he is in, and gets the fire he had last year.
I do like PJ rewarding Bynum for his good game yesterday.
"People are going to judge you. They threw rocks at Jesus. So what do you think they’re going to do to me?" -Stephen Jackson
***slump
"People are going to judge you. They threw rocks at Jesus. So what do you think they’re going to do to me?" -Stephen Jackson
that is what i meant, my bad
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Feb 1, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
Best Performer award
Why not continue to leave the best performers on the floor? Gasol had an off-night, Bynum was on. What’s the big deal? If someone is outpeforming Fisher or Artest, PJ will leave those players in.
This is pretty routine, I see no reason to change: Continue to reward players for their in-game performances.
except Kobe
Kobe should always be in the game.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Feb 1, 2010 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
A great win, not good..
Obviously there are things to pick at, but overall it was a great game.
Bynum’s performance was nothing stellar, but certainly encouraging. He’s been much more active on the pick-and-roll ever since his ‘slump,’ and his post offense has always been sharp.
A couple more games like tonight, and I might start questioning which Laker 7-footer is the BEST low-post scorer. I doubt it though. Pau is pretty fantastic.
Andrews performance tonight was solid. He did not play outside of himself or lose his confidence. Solid. Yet Bynum is still the worst pick-and-roll defender of the three bigs, and by far the worst passer. Expect to see a lot of crunch-time Pau and LO in the future, with Bynum sprinkled in here and there based on his energy level, productivity, and of course, match-ups.
Bynum makes a lot of sense when dealing with Kendrick Perkins alone, but with Rasheed Wallace added to the mix? Those two, combined with Garnett and Davis, have the ability to eat an entire Dunkin Donut’s store. Not just the donuts, the entire store.
The Lakers needed physicality, and I was very pleased with how well Andrew played against their normally smothering post defense. And while Sheed is not the defender he once was, he’s still a lot to handle.
Lastly, I’m not fully convinced that having LO on the floor results in a less efficient offense. His passing can lead to “home-run plays,” as most teams do not prepare for alley-oop lobs from almost-7-footers (or 7-footers)
The defensive energy and mobility C.A. mentioned, also LEADS to offense, especially since, unlike Pau and Andrew, Lamar can close out deep 3-point shooters very quickly, leading to long rebounds and more Lake-show fast-breaks that LO so dearly loves.
Our dominant first quarter was mainly fueled by those missed Boston threes and some non-Rondo turnovers. When our offense starts to suck, it’s usually because it is stagnant, involving too much isolation. JVG noticed this after Shannon’s awful baseline jumper. Brown’s putback shut him up quick.
Thus, I still think those run outs are a key for our largely post-oriented team—the ability to play great transition offense AND great halfcourt offense in the same game makes us a dangerous team, and hard to completely shut down. Even against faster teams like Denver or Houston, our speed takes pressure off of the Lakers’ normal offense, and even if the Lakers are post team, they know how to run the break, and do so efficiently.
This helps explain why, though Odom can’t punish his man when guarded one-on-one, his (active!) presence on the floor always makes the Lakers a better team, whether it’s a grind-it-out playoff brawl, or a Golden State game.
So, I agree with Clark on his point that Odom will most likely keep his crunch time minutes, but as Pau will bounce back soon enough, we’ll have a to watch for during these next few weeks.
Regarding Abbott’s Truehoop post, he’s definitely trolling with regards to Pau being open. Pau must have been relieved that Kobe shot, and sunk, that fadeaway since, if the Lakers had lost this game, he would have received much of the blame. Plus, the shot was awesome.
Sadly, I’ve got to agree with him on one thing. Kobe’s banker, so far, has been #1.
by Lamar Odom For Three on Feb 1, 2010 11:31 AM PST reply actions
Oh, and PS: Nice Pun
Was ‘big dilemma’ intentional?
by Lamar Odom For Three on Feb 1, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions
I still think Gasol and Odom will continue to be on the floor during the endgame.
Bynum can always force his way into some crunch time minutes like he did last night against Boston. Much of decision may depend on matchups too. Either way, I think the Lakers would always have the advantage.
out of gas(ol)
Pau definitely looked tired out there. He was reaching instead of moving his feet, his shots were falling short, and his decision making wasn’t as flawless as it usually is. All signs of fatigue. If Bynum can consistently play intelligent and intense basketball when it counts, not just in first quarters when he’s being spoon-fed at the rim, that would be a great dilemma for Phil to ponder. His passing out of the block still needs a shit-ton of work, though. Ron-Ron for Oscar consideration…those extra two steps after being swatted by a Pierce forearm were dramatic genius. Being known as a physical stopper, and not a flopper, gave him the perfect moment to pull a Vlade/DFish. He did a great job on Pierce all game, and I’m sure, right now, The Truth hurts…
I don't think he tried to sell it
He usually doesn’t try for charges. It looked to me as if he actually lost his balance trying to adjust to the contact.
Great job by Bynum
I think because Perkins & Garnet are so physical that Bynum really made a difference. Pau had an off game and he has played better against them in the past. But Perk & KG & Sheed were trying to really rough-up Gasol yesterday.
Once Perkins went out KG couldn’t handle Drew.
Which of these things is not like the others? 15 NBA Championships, most wins in NBA history, current NBA champions, lost by 20 to the F'ing Spurs.
Farmar or Fisher
While it was refreshing to see Fish come up with some timely 3’s, I still think he is too slow to keep up with the quicker pg’s in the league. Farmar really did a good job staying with Rondo, and his read and consequential layup off that long pass to the top of the key was brilliant. I really like the energy he brings to the team, on both ends of the court. I love Fish for all he’s done for the team before and after his stint with the Jazz, but I really think Phil needs to either start JF, or at least give Farmar and Brown more minutes.
Lakers take it outside against Boston
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Drew was a man possessed in the low post in the first quarter. Yet just like in so many games, the Lake Show jump shoots their way to a far too narrow a victory. Just once I’d like to see our bigs end the game the way they started, shoving the ball down the other team’s throats.
uhm, did you watch the same game as me?
The Lakers outscored the Celtics in the paint in the fourth quarter 16-0.
Yes there were stretches where the Celtic defense forced the Lakers to settle, and they played badly as a result. But I’d hardly say that the Lakers won this game with just lucky jumpshooting.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
We shouldn't overuse our inside presence.
Come the postseason, teams will just clog up the inside and double team the bigs. Bynum still needs to learn how to pass out of the double team. Gasol tends not to get physical. so we might have to take it outside anyways. might as well practice that outside ball movement now so that our offense doesn’t stall if we can’t get to the post.
Bynum had an amazing first quarter
Scoring well, rebounding, clogging the paint and even posterizing keven garnett. As soon as PJ put him on the bench in the second quarter, the Celtics were able to get into the paint and get easy score after easy score and turn our 13 point lead into an 11 point defecit. My guess is that Bynum’s plus / minus was way in the plus for this game.
IMHO, PJ should have put Bynum in earlier in the 2nd quarter to help stop the bleeding. Regardless, Bynum played like an allstar and the Lake show got the W.
I think we are overreacting to one game…
If we look at the course of the game itself, lets be honest, Pau was just AWFUL. He had a few flashy plays, but for the most part, he looked out muscled, and almost incoherent and clumsy whenever the ball went his way.
Meanwhile, Bynum put on full display his potential. Yesterday, Bynum vindicated Mitch Kupchak’s refusal to part with Bynum for Kidd, Bosh, and even the gigantic contract Bynum was awarded. Truly Bynum was in all-star form. And while we would love to sit here acting like Bynum is capable of doing that every game, the fact is he just plain doesn’t. I don’t know whether its just because of a lack of motivation, or the lack of KG talking sh*t to him up and down the court.
I really don’t think we have a dilemma yet. Gasol on most nights is gonna be the 2nd best player on the court. The guy just had a terrible game when we needed him most. Props to Phil for going with the adrenaline filled Bynum. And while I do not expect any major changes as a result of yesterdays game, I wouldn’t be suprised if Pau is no longer going to be an automatic in the 4th, the way fisher and bryant are. I would say the situation will be a much more stable version of the way we decide who plays more between Farmar and Brown, which is really decided on whose hot on any given night.
In Kobe we trust!
The injuries and time off have taken their toll on Pau
Pau has come back soft this time. Even softer than usual which leads me to believe that something is wrong with him. He is not the warrior that Kobe is and I think that something must be wrong with his legs still. His shots are short, which means it has something to do with his lower body or conditioning. Whatever it is, hopefully the rest after tonight’s game with remedy it. Gasol is just too damn important to us for him not to be fully functional. Yesterday’s game is just that, one game. Bynum stepped up, like he usually does in the first quarter. What people don’t understand is that adjustments are made during the game that means Bynum stops getting those “touches” that he continually talks about. When he becomes automatic, the Lakers may start feeding him more throughout the game, but right now we have three players who can score the ball almost at will. That Big Dilemma is something the rest of the league would love to have.
FREE JAVARIS CRITTENTON!!!
i didn't get a chance to watch the last two games but
despite his numbers, Gasol hasn’t looked quite like himself in this road trip at all. I was thinking that maybe he wasn’t 100%. But there’s also the fact that in this road trip, the team has started the “feed Bynum” process early in the game. Maybe Pau is just adjusting.
Link from Truehoop to Wayne Winston
The Mathletics guy who does his own plus/minus.
He did a recap of how every team did on his ratings in January.
This made me laugh:
LA Lakers
Ron Artest (-1 Point rating) has not been the same player since suffering a concussion and dealing with foot issues. Sasha Vujacic (16 Points rating) has been great, Kobe (16 Points rating) has played great while battling injuries. Gasol (6 Points rating) and Odom (9 Points Rating) have been solid.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
just goes to show you how little stats guys really know.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Sasha was also +11 last night.
But anything with half a brain would know he didn’t do anything in his limited time.
First time in the last two seasons
I’ve heard anyone call Sasha great except for his hair.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Feb 1, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
dude where have you been?
sasha is BY FAR the team’s MVP, the have a 22-3 record when he plays between 3.3 and 10 minutes
by Madz on Feb 1, 2010 4:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
lol I should make my own stats
for every dumb stat article I read on the internet. Sasha came in the game then left the game, what exactly did dude contribute to cause I’m confused.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Wouldn't you say a WIN is a WIN, because beating Boston in Boston and KB not doing that great is a double +.
As Jerry West said yesterday don’t expect Pau to be physical that is not his importance to team it is all the other stuff that he brings. Scoring, passing, knowledge of the game and team player.
by so.cal.native1952 on Feb 1, 2010 3:05 PM PST reply actions
I would say the big who is having the better game at that moment plays in the 4th
Gasol had his off moments last night so he ended up being a bench warmer towards the end, which is how it should be because Bynum played well and deserved those minutes, I don’t think the coaching staff is having too much hard time figuring out this formula for end of game situations.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Honest Opinion
Do you guys really think you can beat the Cav’s let alone the Celtics come finals time? The Lakers are a great, great team but your championship days are done and LeBron is about to go off, or even Boston’s “D” , You’ll be hardpressed to repeat.
the part after your question doesn't make much sense but
We can beat any team healthy. And if we stay focused and aggressive, its over. but thats a big if
I will disagree, I know am a Laker fan but really
if the Lakers play their game, everyone shows up and play their game to their talent level, the Lakers can REPEAT, they are just too talented and too tall to be really losing to teams like Boston and Cavs. Lakers should pound the ball inside all day on those teams and win but since Gasol and Bynum sometime don’t play to their talent, Lakers get beat but if they show up consistently, you, we, me, everyone would be witnessing a dynasty, Lakers can be that good its scary…..
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
by BrittneyM on Feb 1, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt that..
It should be
1. Fisher maybe Farmar or Shannon Brown? Not sure about this position
2. Bryant
3. Odom
4. Gasol
5. Bynum
eff you we winning anyway
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