NBA Conundrum: Are We In the Golden Age of the League? Kobe, Jordan Or Magic
Athletes are better today than yesterday, and they'll be even better tomorrow. Humans as a species get stronger, faster and better as time goes on. The NBA is no different; it is getting better as I type.
We have seen things in this decade that we could never have imagined in the 80s or 90s.
Now I am not going to sit here and argue with you that Michael, Magic and Bird weren’t All-Time NBA greats.
Michael Jordan is almost universally recognized as the greatest of All-Time and it is hard to argue. You also have to consider, however, the time period of his dominance.
When Magic and Bird were at the height of their game, they had to battle each other along with their consistent championship-caliber teams accounting for eight of the 10 championship rings won from 1980 to 1989. Those two players were way ahead of their time and were playing against a league that found it almost impossible to compete during their prime years. I find it hard to consider the 80s the golden age because of the lack of competition outside of those teams.
Jordan never had another player of his caliber with a team around him that could compete. There were no other dynasty-type teams during the 90s. Jordan’s Chicago Bulls beat five different teams en route to their six NBA titles, save the Utah Jazz twice. None of those teams had a player near Jordan’s talent level outside of Magic’s Lakers in the 90-91 season at the end of his career. Before their run, they had to meet a strong Pistons team with a player on Michael’s level, Isaiah Thomas, and it took them multiple years to finally get over that hump. Because of the lack of the consistent threat to Jordan’s Bulls, I find it hard to consider the 90s the golden age of basketball.
The Los Angeles Lakers are looking for their second 3-peat, but have done it with two entirely different groups. The first, a 90s Bulls-type unit with two superstars, Shaq and Kobe, surrounded by a fantastic group of role players. The second, an incredibly diverse and deep team with arguably the second best crunch time scorer in NBA history in his prime, and also Kobe.Here we are, living in the current era. Since the last Bulls championship there have been 11 NBA Championships. Notably, five by the Los Angeles Lakers and four by the San Antonio Spurs. The Spurs may not have the look of the typical dynasty, but winning four NBA championships in the nine years after Jordan retired is a major accomplishment. It shows their ability to retool around Tim Duncan year after year.
We have also seen the Lakers-Celtics rivalry of the 80s reignited with two finals matchups in the last three years. We watched in amazement as Shaq claimed four rings of his own, grabbing three with the aforementioned Lakers, then being forced out of LA and promptly claiming another one the first year playing the role of sidekick to up and coming star Dwayne Wade in 2006.
The talent these teams have to face every series in the playoffs is what makes all of this remarkable. In the NBA this decade, there have been three players with a chance to finish as top 10 players ever: Kobe, Lebron and Wade. Not to mention maybe the most dominant player ever in Shaq and possibly the top two power forwards to ever play the game: Dirk Nowitzki and Tim Duncan.
In the 80s and the 90s, there was no seven-footer with the athleticism that Dwight Howard displays on a nightly basis. The otherworldly athleticism shown by Dominique Wilkins has become a nightly occurrence that we see from the likes of J.R. Smith and DeMar DeRozan. I won't say either is more athletic than him, but they surely are on the same level. We have so many spectacular point guards in the league right now that when you talk about the best you have to discuss at least five different names.
That is why we are now in the NBA’s Golden Age; the players have evolved to a whole new level of competition. Maybe if the greats of old—Jordan, Bird and Magic—were playing now, we would be having an entirely different discussion.
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Very convincing argument
I guess I agree with you. People tend to want to hold onto the past, always claiming the 80’s as the Golden Age. However, as you mentioned, if the league is assessed as a whole, top to bottom, these past 10 years are clearly ahead of the pack.
As for the future, with the decline of Kobe Bryant, the league will not maintain its current greatness until another Kobe/Jordan-esque player enters the league and begins dominating anywhere near their level.
"Basketball is like war in that offensive weapons are developed first, and it always takes a while for the defense to catch up." - Red Auerbach
"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant
You mean he's not in South Beach??
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"质量是我们的尊严。服务是我们的电梯。" ("Quality is our dignity. Service is our lift.")
Agree
I agree that there is more individual talent in the league than ever before. I think that is why Kobe may be nearing Jordan’s status because he has faced better overall competition, both individually and certainly team-wise, with Boston, SA and maybe Sac-town all better than any teams Chicago beat.
The only thing I would say about the 80’s is though the Lakers and Celtics were the best of that era,all-time great teams in Philly and Detroit as well as a few 1 to 2 year wonders in Milwaukee, Houstan and San Antonio made the league team-wise, the best decade. If the Lakers didn’t have to beat great teams in every final, Magic would be sitting on 8 rings, not 5.
Before I lay into you (JK) let me just say welcome
Although you are not 100% wrong you are not 100 right. Every generation of basketball fans believes that the generation they grew up watching was the best. But, it is difficult to comment and judge and especially compare era’s when you have only truly witnessed one.
That is why I can’t compare the 70’s because I was too young to give my opinion about something I never witnessed.
Which is why I disagree with you for the most part. Mainly because of two things that you didn’t mention.
Although a very good argument there wasn’t a single comment about defense. Maybe I missed it but I didn’t see it. In reality, the NBA in the 90"s and 80"s was filled with Ron Artest type players. Players who took more pride in defense. Now the NBA is more about offense and who is more athletic and so on.
Also, the biggest difference in todays era is the loss of fundementals and work ethic. Just look up Dennis Rodman, Jordan, and Karl Malone’s dedication. Today, its mainly Kobe with that old school work ethic mentality. Name me any player in todays era with that work ethic I can probably double that number with players from the 80 and 90.
Even worst about today’s era is that almost no one has a good midrange game. Just think about this, the supposed best player today, according to so called NBA experts is Lebron and then Dwight. Neither one with a midrange game. True Dwight is more athletic but where is his post up game. it is so obvious that he had to get lessons from a Center from the 90’s. And don’t get me started on Lebron. Dominique who was probably the top 5 player in his era had just as much atheleticism as Lebron and yet was a better defender, had a midrange game and dare I say, and even better dunker.
Great article though. Hope you come back.
Also,
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Ron artest type players in 80s/90s, huh? I don’t think so. The league is way more defensive minded today than back then. Dumars was a good defender back then. Kobe would scorch him today. Artest can play PGs to PFs well. I don’t know anybody ever that could do that. The 80s had very little defense, mostly offense. The 90s were the most watered down era of all time, which is one reason jordan gets more credit than he deserves.
I agree a little with less fundamentals today, though, long range shooting is way better today than back ever.
As for work ethic, wrong there. Guys are working as hard as ever to get better, even queen, though, not to the extent of kobe’s work ethic, but then again, who has ever worked harder than kobe?
The main difference today is that there’s few elite big post men. But, the bigs today as just as good as ever. They’re just 7 footers shooting more from the perimeter. Some of the fundamentals have been lost in this era, but shooting is off the charts nowadays. There’s very few big men that don’t have at least a respectable midrange, and we have lots of big men that can drain the 3’s.
by express34texas on Dec 10, 2010 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with this
"Stop asking about offense. It’s ignorant. Talk about defense. Defense wins championships." Kobe
Artest can play PGs to PFs well. I don’t know anybody ever that could do that.
Pippen
As for work ethic, wrong there. Guys are working as hard as ever to get better, even queen, though, not to the extent of kobe’s work ethic, but then again, who has ever worked harder than kobe?
This is a wholly subjective argument when argued either way, as none of us truly know how hard the average NBA player works, but I’d tend to disagree with you there. Especially LeBron (I’m assuming that’s who you meant by ‘queen’). And there’s a reason why Kobe’s work ethic has had him labelled as ‘the direct descendant of the 80’s’.
The 80s had very little defense, mostly offense.
I’d say that it depends – I believe the focus on strong individual defense was higher back in the 80s, essentially because teams had no alternative – nowadays with zones, help defense and more team-oriented defensive schemes the concept of defense in itself is changing. I highly doubt there was any team 20 years ago whose defensive policy held ‘funnel point guards into your bigs’ as a core tenet, let alone a dynastic one. Thus, I’d argue it’s harder for star players to score today, due to team defensive schemes, but individual defensive players were superior back then.
But, the bigs today as just as good as ever.
Can’t agree with that. Even accounting for the difference in their style of play, I’d shudder to think of what Hakeem, an in-his-prime Kareem, or in-his-prime Robinson would do to today’s big men. Not to mention, there were floor-spreading big men back then, too – Tom Chambers, Bill Laimbeer etc.
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by Saurav A. Das on Dec 15, 2010 2:00 AM PST up reply actions
Dominique was sick.
I remember he was pretty much seen as Jordan’s rival before he retired because they were both seen as mostly athletic, dunking type players. Dominique wasn’t called “The Human Highlight Reel” for nothing. When people think of the late 80’s and early 90’s, they think of Jordan and Bird and Magic, but Dominique was seen as perhaps the most athletic player in the NBA, if my memory serves me right.
"Stop asking about offense. It’s ignorant. Talk about defense. Defense wins championships." Kobe
True to a point
I agree with this point, the mid-range game. Every player in the 70-80’s had it, and it started to wain in the 90’s. Thanks ESPN. Teams were fundamentally sound execution-wise and especially in the 80’s there was a sense of real dedication to improvement year to year from many players and teams. They competed with each other for accolades as well as championships.
Defense was good, but watch the films of that era compared to today and I think it is harder today, if for no other reason the size, speed and strength difference. Point guards today would out-weigh Thomas, Archibald, Lever, Cheeks etc by 20-25 pounds. Every position is so much better conditioned, bigger and athletic now than then. They could be more obviously physical at times due to certain rules at that time, but the constent possession by possession physicality of todays game is tougher. Again those decades had some oustanding defensive players ( Coop, Rodman, Pippin, DJ, Bobby Jones, Moncrief, Payton, Hakeem etc) but the 00’s have had quite a few as well, Kobe being as good at least at times as any of those guys. ( Duncan, Garnett, Kidd, Bowen, Wallace Howard, Artest to name a few).
I disagree about the work ethic of todays players. Many work all year to improve and LOL Bynum aside, may be harder working than any players in history. See Kobe, Duncan, Nash, D.Williams, Wade, Rondo, Kidd, Garnett and as much as I cannot stand him, James has worked hard to become great. The first 3 I would put up there with Magic, Jordan and Bird as far as workers. Dominique, Chuck, McHale, Worthy, Isiah, Bernard King, Dr. J. all-time greats, but not necessarily known for great work ethics.
BTW Dom was wayyyyy better than LeQueen, so was Larry Nance, Dr.J, Kemp, maybe even T. Chambers just off the top of my head.
Sorry
Sorry Scott, I was gonna read the comments but they are way too long, but Golden age is still 90’s.. because Michael changed basketball forever and brought the NBA to a new plateau. The NBA would not be anywhere near what it is today without MJ. Greatest team off all time in the Bulls in the 90’s = Golden Era
If Derrick Rose and Jay Cutler played for the same team/sport.. they would never lose.
Maxwell G. Mickey
You can't just define a whole League by the exploits of one team, though.
Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.
"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Dec 15, 2010 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
Things that have changed in modern for the better
on-ball defense without contact, pace of dribble is exceptionally faster nowadays and without the ability to hand check makes it exceptionally harder to stay in front, training techniques have improved decade after decade, shooting ability from behind the arc has become so much a part of the game now that using ts% the league is almost at the league high in ts% and much higher than the 1990s where it steadily went down as time went on, older players don’t stay around as long unless they possess some needed skill, but younger players are seeing more and more playing time
Things that have gotten worse as a result: off-ball defense, post moves out of underdeveloped big men from high school, shooting stroke out of young players that got by mostly on athleticism and ability to dribble because of new hand checking rules. That’s it. Oh and committing mindlessly dumb hard fouls because of a no lay-up rule, which is still enforced by a certain coach in Utah who has never won a title partially because of that tactic. Not saying, there shouldn’t be harder fouls to stop the lay-up, but watching Shaq almost injure people with in air collisions is not how I want careers to end.
Most of the things that supposedly players don’t have, are mainly a result of not having to learn them until later in their careers because of the new rules that are enforced at most levels. So players are more raw when they come in, but those who make it to the end of their basketball prime in the NBA, are usually some of the more skilled players in history. Now, in terms of their judgment on the court and decision making, the older generation has that down pact, but as I said, it is mostly a difference in age and maturity of the players on the floor and the systems they run in college. Magic, Bird, Jordan, Hakeem, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, Moses, Dr. J are all exceptions to the norm of the times, those were the superstars, so to try and take the average players from those guys and apply it to the entire NBA today is unfair, especially when you had a fair amount of busts and unskilled athletes in the NBA even back then, they just weren’t as highlighted because they were usually on those expansion teams the NBA was bringing about at the time. That lack of concentration of good players from expansion, also makes room for more less disciplined players as well. I’m not saying this generation is the golden age, I still think the expansion and rebirth of the NBA in the 1980s is the golden age, followed by the high tv ratings of the 1990s, but I think average athletically and superios skillwise in some ways this generation definitely takes the cake.
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90s for sure
the league really grew in overall appeal worldwide, more players started seeing paychecks in the millions, ratings were threw the roof thanks to MJ’s Bulls, and expansion franchises started popping up.
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Hmmm.
I’m guessing you’re defining ‘Golden Age’ as that of League growth as a whole? I’d probably have to agree with you, there. But in terms of competition, skills, and depth, it’s either the 2000’s or 80’s in my book.
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"Lebron joins teams with his friends; Kobe’s enemies join teams with him." - Gil Meriken
by Saurav A. Das on Dec 15, 2010 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
Having watched parts of all three
I’d have to say that now is the Golden Age in terms of overall talent, level of play, defense, player size and physique, number of superstars, the high number of good teams, etc.
But I’m still nostalgic for Magic’s Showtime Lakers. Gotta catch some NBA Classics some day.
"Stop asking about offense. It’s ignorant. Talk about defense. Defense wins championships." Kobe

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