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Lakers-Pacers Preview: These Guys Are Actually... Good?

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The Pacers are one of those franchises we don't spend a lot of time thinking about. They play their home games somewhere called "The Indiana," which I can't locate on a map but I assume is a kind of preindustrial badlands. The Pacers haven't been in any way interesting since Ron Artest was clocking fools at the Palace, and they haven't been directly relevant to Lakerdom - which, let's face it, is the only part of the basketball world that matters - since the 2000 Finals. The past four years they've been trapped in the NBA's Phantom Zone, where teams go when they're neither good enough to make the playoffs nor bad enough to draft Derrick Rose.

This season, though, the Pacers are looking weirdly, unexpectedly competent. They arrive at Staples Center tonight with a 7-7 record and a per-game point differential of +3.6, eighth best in the NBA. Back on November 9th they nuked the Denver Nuggets with a 54-point third quarter, and this past Monday they stomped the Heat in Miami. Well played, Indiana Pacers! Not so well played were losses to the 76ers, Bucks and Rockets, but suffice it to say, Indy's resemblance to a down-bracket playoff team is one of the surprises of the early season. What pagan sorcery is responsible for this?

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Defense is how the Pacers are getting it done. Their scoring is basically flat relative to last year. After posting an offensive rating (points scored per 100 possessions) of 105.5 in 2009-10, ranking 26th in the league, they've managed only a 105.7 mark this season. But check out the defense on these cats: last year they were about league average with a defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions) of 108.6, but this season they've ratcheted down to 101.9, fifth best in the NBA. They've also become more of a half-court team. For three straight seasons they've ranked in the top three in pace, but this year they're only 11th, five spots behind the geriatric Lakers.

They key to the Pacer defense lies in how well they control the paint. Center Roy Hibbert anchors a frontline that challenges shots aggressively and protects the defensive glass. Indy opponents have made less than 45% of their two-point shots, the lowest rate in the league, and the Pacers' defensive rebounding rate is better than all but two teams. Starting power forward Josh McRoberts, who picked up a starting gig after the trade departure of Troy Murphy and a back injury to Jeff Foster (so... many... white bros), has given the Pacers some ruggedness at that position. It helps that they have very good size at the wings. Danny Granger, Mike Dunleavy and James Posey all check in at 6'8" and Brandon Rush is 6'6", so even though Posey is the only one of the four with a good defensive rep, at least they're not giving up inches to shooting guards and small forwards.

The Pacers do seem to enjoy fouling. Their opponents are averaging nearly 30 free-throw attempts a night, a promising sign for a Laker team that's been cash money from the stripe. When the Lakers have the ball, I'll be keeping my eye on Pau Gasol's matchup against Hibbert. Pau will have to get creative. If he tries just shooting little jump hooks, he'll get swatted, as happened against Darko and Joakim Noah. He should instead set himself up 12 to 15 feet from the hoop. If Hibbert tries following him out, Pau can go to the dribble and use his superior quickness and footwork. If not, he can knock down the jumper. It's all about getting Hibbert out of his comfort zone and into foul trouble.


One imagines that Kobe Bryant will see plenty of James Posey, as none of the other Indiana wings are qualified for Mamba-containment duty. At this stage of his career Posey probably isn't either, but he's the best of the Pacers' bad options. Lamar Odom as well will have a mismatch to exploit. Both McRoberts and Tyler Hansbrough can bang, but neither has the foot speed to keep up with Lamar. He's been great lately going to the hole off the pinch-post handoff, a play that should be readily available tonight.

As I foreshadowed earlier, the Pacer offense tends toward the meh. They turn the ball over a lot, they don't get to the line much, and they don't generate many second-chance points. The main weapons are Granger, Hibbert and Darren Collison, with Dunleavy and Rush operating as spot-up options. Granger will have to deal with Artest, who chewed him up pretty well last year. Hopefully Jim O'Brien hasn't seen the tape from the Lakers' debacle in Utah. If he has, he knows the formula for breaking down the Laker D: dribble penetrayshe by the point guard, followed by dump-offs to the bigs when the Laker frontline scrambles to help. Collison isn't in D Will's class - no shame there - but he the jets to get by Derek Fisher and Steve Blake, and he's become much better this season at converting looks near the basket.

This is a good opponent to get the Lake Show back on track. The Pacers are decent enough to get the champs' attention but not really strong enough yet to pose a major threat. I expect Kobe to do a lot of damage on these guys and for the Lakers as a team to enjoy a tasty advantage at the free-throw line. Vegas lists Indy as a nine-point underdog, which sounds about right. The Pacers are shaping up to be a decent road team - you know about their win in Miami, and on Friday night they took the Thunder to overtime in OKC - but taking down the purple and gold in their own sandbox is a whole ‘nother thing. They've never beaten the Lakers at Staples Center before, and I shan't think they'll be starting tonight.

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Good stuff Dex

looks to be a good game tonight.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

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by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

once again

i’ve gotta say Mr. Fishmore, that you’re the most entertaining and literate writer about basketball out there. i look forward to your posts and always learn something too. gracias.

by charlesmesmer on Nov 28, 2010 9:49 AM PST reply actions  

This game should be interesting, Granger an Bryat is always a good match-up, but what'll probably b more interesting will be the hibbert-Gasol matchup

Hibbert has revamped his game and is the key behind Indiana’s resurgent play, and it should be fun to watch how roy reacts. I predict Lakers win 119-108

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by Bkj on Nov 28, 2010 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

If they don't make it rain 3s

I see us beating them handily. Its interesting because we give teams 3 pointers within the philosophy of the defense so we’ll see how that goes. Hopefully Pau doesn’t let Hibbert pull a Darko on him tonight.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

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by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm pumped for this game. Haven't had my Lakers fix in a day.

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

I'm still unhappy with the Utah loss

Not so much the loss, but the 19 point lead prior to the loss … I hate it when the Lakers lose games like that, reminds me of Game 4. Plus, it’s getting annoying the Jazz keep “losing” early in the game and then making these “comeback” wins. I’m starting to think that’s their plan (even though I’m sure that’s probably not really their plan) but it’s easier to defeat an opponent by lulling them into a false sense of security … the opponent builds a big lead, sends in the bench and then boom! just like that, the Jazz have tied things up and have taken the win … very crafty Sloan … very crafty.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 28, 2010 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

pacers might be a playoff worthy team this season

oh and here is a breakdown of the key plays in the Utah loss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbPQFNdPCKc&feature=sub

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

I like Coach Nick

he just needs to look at press releases. In this one, he mistakes the to play with Kobe-Gasol for Kobe asking the ball at the wrong time, but they clearly explain that its a miscommunication.

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The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

He understands basketball

But I think like any coach, he seems to expect perfection from players, if you look at a guy like Kobe, he is making the right decision much more than many other players do on a possession by possession basis. No, Kobe’s not perfect, just better. Same for Gasol, he does have a lot of limitations on help defense, but who else would you rather have at center?

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by Gil Meriken on Nov 28, 2010 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He literally is nailing

Dwyane Wade though. Like almost every Heat breakdown, every lazy play Wade has or possession he messes up is pointed out. He points out when Bosh and Bron mess up too, but for the past couple ones he’s been getting in on Wade.

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The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He's literally nailing them?

Like, with a hammer? That would be illegal.

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by Gil Meriken on Nov 28, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Gil, you will appreciate this.

Literally

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

lmao

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The Oatmeal is awesome

Explains and enlightens with clarity and humor

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by Gil Meriken on Nov 28, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, that's good you see the other videos, so you can compare

But looking at each alone, you would think that he thought the guys in the video were horrible players.

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by Gil Meriken on Nov 28, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

He does think D Wade

is a horrible defender though. Like I’m pretty sure he hates Wade’s defense. Not that it isn’t bad, but he just goes out of his way to point it out every time. He also thinks the Heat are terrible in transition because they’re so slow to get back. It’s in the Pacers video that he points it out.

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The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

But still even with Wade's D

I’d still take on my team him over 99% of the league

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by Gil Meriken on Nov 28, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Granger is pretty underrated.

He’s a 20, 5 and 5 type guy who doesn’t get much credit because he plays in Indiana.

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by sexsalad on Nov 28, 2010 10:33 AM PST reply actions  

reminds me of rudy gay and iguodola

good enough to be a go-to guy, but not good enough to be a superstar

by theshmoes on Nov 28, 2010 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

fuck, dude

I thought we played last night and not on friday night. imagine my horror to find out that we had already LOST. ANGRYFACE.

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by LOOOeee on Nov 28, 2010 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

i concur x ∞

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yea

I still hum the song in my head everyone and then

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by mrbarneydangles on Nov 28, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

good news

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by theshmoes on Nov 28, 2010 11:32 AM PST reply actions  

ehh, he should still take his time

dont have him play in a game til he’s absolutely 100% and he feels he can take alot of contact and still be fine. Until he’s at that level don’t even risk it. But we definetely need him soon because Pau looks like he’s getting some bruises from playing center for a while

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by desecrator09 on Nov 28, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

If we have a game against a team with a soft center

I don’t see why we can’t do some experimentation and let him play some minutes early.

signatures are fun!

by LOOOeee on Nov 28, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe after his 3 week estimate is up.

he’s still gotta get conditioned to even play some minutes Don’t need him laboring up and down the court.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

flashback timeeee


i’m actually hoping for an exciting game today since after this we have a bunch of scrubs for a while.

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

I like the 'fro version of Kobe.

He should grow it back.

Win a ring without the king! Cavs=2011 champs?

by sexsalad on Nov 28, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, this ^^^

i don’t think kobe could (or would want to) grow his ’fro back

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

kobe's hairline

runs away from his face…don’t think a fro ever suited him. He probably looks better clean shaved.

by volar on Nov 28, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL @ "runs away", like it's afraid of him.

Mark Madsen should not have been allowed to sit in front. They had to adjust the flash for his paleness.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

looks like travis knight lmao

by KobeBryantSlamDunkGiant on Nov 28, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

It is Travis Knight

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by LakersFoEva on Nov 29, 2010 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

OMG, you're right! I had to look closer.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 29, 2010 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I loved fro Kobe

and I mean that with every ounce of man crush possible

signatures are fun!

by LOOOeee on Nov 28, 2010 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey look, on the 2nd pic

its Kobe’s sidekick. : )

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by Jelly Bean on Nov 28, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

that's not Kobe's sidekick....

It’s the HAMBURGLAR!

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by pslakerfan on Nov 28, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

back in the days

was a nice finals series – remember going through so many emotions like being speechless after game one (shaq 40/20 or so and reggie choking) – hope (kobes ankle) – hate (come on how much hollywoodstars did u offer the refs and mr stern for game 4 and 6) – dancing of joy (game 5 … just legendary) and 2 weeks after hating the lakers/refs/shaq/stern/kobe finally a little bit of paying tribute to the lakers because we all know the pacers wouldn’t have had a chance if kobe didn’t leave in game 2

hope it’s gonna be a nice game tonight and dont forget BEAT THE HEAT

by Killer_Miller_31 on Nov 28, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

you guys did a good job beating them last week!

also:

For as much sense as Russell made to Bryant over the summer in Washington, something else there completely confounded him. As he walked the District’s streets in August, people peppered him with three words: Beat the Heat.

Beat the Heat?

"That’s what I get a lot now," Bryant said. ‘Beat the Heat.’ "

Truth be told, it hadn’t occurred to him that would be the mantra for the two-time defending champion Lakers.

"Um, they’re in the East," Bryant would say.

Which was his polite way of saying: For starters, how about they beat Boston and Orlando? And now, at 8-6, let’s face it: The least of LeBron and the Miami Heat’s worries ought to be Kobe and Los Angeles Lakers.

Bryant won’t call it insulting, only saying: "It’s funny. I get a good chuckle out of it."

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

back in the days

was a nice finals series – remember going through so many emotions like being speechless after game one (shaq 40/20 or so and reggie choking) – hope (kobes ankle) – hate (come on how much hollywoodstars did u offer the refs and mr stern for game 4 and 6) – dancing of joy (game 5 … just legendary) and 2 weeks after hating the lakers/refs/shaq/stern/kobe finally a little bit of paying tribute to the lakers because we all know the pacers wouldn’t have had a chance if kobe didn’t leave in game 2

hope it’s gonna be a nice game tonight and dont forget BEAT THE HEAT

by Killer_Miller_31 on Nov 28, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

okay I'm WAY late about these games but

can you guys give me a short review on Fallout 3 (not New Vegas) and Just Cause 2? Thinking about getting maybe one or both of them but I dont know much about them especially JC2.

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by desecrator09 on Nov 28, 2010 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

Have you ever played Oblivion?

Outside of the post-nuclear war setting, I’ve heard that Fallout 3 is pretty much the same thing, in terms of gameplay.

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by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry don't know much about them

except both are said to be only marginally better than their predecessors. Have u played Just Cause?

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Just Cause 2 is wayy better than Just Cause 1

The story is WAY over the top, not even believable lol, but the game was not made for the story. The game is made for sheer destruction in an open world map. I played it and had a blast, kept it around for a few months too. The amazing thing is the world is completely open to you, you can do anything you want and there are no load screens as you travel the world. It’s awesome.

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry only went by the reviews I read

I remember reading that Just Cause was better in the ways you said, but they said that in and of itself only made it marginally better because it just made it on par with other open world games of the same nature, while the story is still very underdeveloped.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

that sounds badass

i heard the action is very realistic and it just gets you hooked. I’ll probably buy both these games

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by desecrator09 on Nov 28, 2010 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

This NYK-DET game is intense!!

Also, NO are up by 17 against the Spurs! :D
And I really hope the Clips find a way to beat the Jazz…

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 1:10 PM PST reply actions  

Wow, Double OT

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by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Knicks have blew it open in 2OT with some threes

hopefully they don’t choke it away again like they did in regulation and the first OT.

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

9-0 in the second OT

Detroit goes cold at the worst possible time

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Lakers in finals: 2-0 with AMMO, 0-1 without.

by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 1:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Knicks win 125-116

Amar’e: 37 points (12-20 FG | 13-15 FT), 15 rebounds, 7 assists in 53 minutes
Felton: 23 points (5-17 FG | 10-10 FT), 11 assists, 5 rebounds in 53 minutes
Fields: 16 points (6-14 FG | 2-5 3P), 11 rebounds, 6 assists in 50 minutes
Gallo: 20 points (7-12 FG | 4-9 3P), 9 rebounds, 4 assists in 52 minutes

insane.

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

woah

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Every box score for NYK and GSW should be adjusted for pace

But still, I’m happy bc I have Amar’’’’’e in my fantasy league!

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by Gil Meriken on Nov 28, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, i was looking around pounding the rock the other day and they had a poll like

“Where should the apostrophe in Amar’e’s name be placed?”

1. ‘Amare
2. A’mare
3. Am’are
4. Ama’re
5. Amar’e
6. Amare’
7. A’m’a’r’e’

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL @ #7.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't forget the exclamation point for some POW!!!

Amar’e!

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by timbo on Nov 28, 2010 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Jazz are now up by 7...

le sigh. Griffin just had a nice put-back dunk, tho.

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Hornets have let

Spurs all the way back in the game. Spurs on fire from 3

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

Damnit, New Orleans!

maybe chris paul will save the day.

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

So the West will not be won as easily as some believed.

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by Gil Meriken on Nov 28, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Like old times.

I like it.

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Just like old times!

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200105250LAL.html

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather not talk about this..

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305150LAL.html

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm talking about the 2 Western powers that owned from 1998-2006ish

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

yes, but the rivalry sure was fun.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200405130SAS.html

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

epic

also, why the bbr love today? lol

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

I actually remember watching that game!! Spurs got crushed again in game 4 too.

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

fisher had 28 points in game 4! it was amazing! 11-13 FG!

#intangibles

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

That team was amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfR2pDOt3k

What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?

by RudeMood19 on Nov 28, 2010 5:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

legendary

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

he starts?

So it’s Parker, Manu, Jefferson, Duncan, Thiago?

who is their 6th man off the bench

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

it's

PG: Parker
SG: Manu
SF: Jefferson
PF: Blair
C: Duncan

Bench: Hill, Tiago, McDyess

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah. So they start the young guy Blair. Good stuff.

This is when you realize just how big our line-up really is.

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

actually

it’s parker, manu, jefferson, duncan and blair
hill, mcdyess and tiago are off the bench

signatures are fun!

by LOOOeee on Nov 28, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn their destroying the Hornets now

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by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

Back to Earth for the Hornets.

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by bluexfalcon on Nov 28, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall

by desecrator09 on Nov 28, 2010 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Jay Cutler is a master of handing the ball off

lol. He’s got 4 passes in this game thus far. 2 tds as well, but thats amazing that qb can go an entire half and only throw 4 passes. lol.

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by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

Vick just threw his first Int for the season.

Good defense by the Bears for sure. Front linemen tipped it off his hands

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by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry for the OT nature of those two posts

just two statistical oddities I thought I’d point out. lol.

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by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

lol i'm watching that game right now

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by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

i turned off the tv after they couldn't transfer 2 consecutive touchdowns.

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by rs850_Lakers on Nov 28, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake Show: 33 points (13-20 FG), 14 rebounds, 5 assists

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by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

except Blake**

damn. rookie of the year for sure.

by volar on Nov 28, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Going to be some serious channel flipping with the Chargers game tonight

I think we win against the Pacers pretty easily. Improved, yes. Good, no.

I’m thinking tonight is another spectacular Shannon game.

Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Nov 28, 2010 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

So, which role player will have a career night against us today?

My money’s on Darren Collison.

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by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 2:53 PM PST reply actions  

Mike Dunleavy. lol

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The Chorus of Kobe Bryant's career: "You're gonna miss me a little when I'm gone"

by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

only 65?

i have him down for 72

signatures are fun!

by LOOOeee on Nov 28, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He can achieve it on paper

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by Marty Mart on Nov 28, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Come on, he's not the Celtics.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

or 80

thats his age in basketball years.

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

but then Kobe and the Lakers failed hard during the 4th quarter while Fish was bench'd

Lakers down by one 0.3 seconds left, they subbed Fish back and he hit the game-winning shot, and subsequently surpassing Kobe’s career high with 82

qwertyuiop

by Beko on Nov 28, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

these spammers are really good at English:
Christmas was approaching . Everyone must was looking forward to it and was preparing for it

. me too . so im willing to share with you a website ====
free shipping accept the paypal

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 4:05 PM PST reply actions  

"service is our lift"??

wtf?

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by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Catchy slogan, huh?

Now it’s stuck in your head and you’re gonna buy.

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by Koshu on Nov 28, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

must...buy....ED HARDYS!!!!!

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by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell was grammar

i has never hearing of such a thing before.

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by smart_guy on Nov 28, 2010 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Google Translate or BabelFish

They’re using either one of those and translating it directly from their own language to English. Hence why the grammar is so off.

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by PeanutButterSpread on Nov 28, 2010 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

about two hours

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

game needs to start naaaaaaaaaaaaooo

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Nov 28, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

6:30 PST

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

Lakers in finals: 2-0 with AMMO, 0-1 without.

by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

dude

if that was so then the game would have started already

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by smart_guy on Nov 28, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

oh, i gotcha

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by smart_guy on Nov 28, 2010 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Im so high.......vicodon is like BLAM!

But not bam. Not enjoying this high but its necessary.

by AndyV on Nov 28, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Vicodin is only good for real pain.

Otherwise, it makes you loopy.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm in serious pain....erm was.

Not high but just……happy. Smiley even.

by AndyV on Nov 28, 2010 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been where you are. I hope you feel better!

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I am I am

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

twitter

by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

man, so many homer fans here in espn

well, it’s lebwrong’s homecoming so i say carry on

by bypasser on Nov 28, 2010 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

I fixed this for Yahoo!
The Heat are now 9-8, far below their expectations for a season that began with LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh vowing to chase history mediocrity.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 5:42 PM PST reply actions  

No, silly.

They really did vow to chase history, so the article needs no changing.

Empty promises and false confidence. That’s what LeBron James is all about.

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by sexsalad on Nov 28, 2010 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Sweetie, everything that gets "fixed" is like that. I know what they said.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

One question:

Did Lebron, Wade, and co. actually explicitly say they were chasing a single-season wins record?

Or is that an assumption?

I can’t remember…

What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?

by RudeMood19 on Nov 28, 2010 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

No they actually said they were going to bring 7 or 8 championships to Miami.

The single season record talk was all from the media, starting with ESPN.

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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
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by SoCalGal on Nov 28, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome TV sked tonight!

Boardwalk at 9
Lakers 9:30
Walking Dead at 10

Lakers game I’m watching on the computer though

What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?

by RudeMood19 on Nov 28, 2010 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

Boardwalk is an amazing show

I like it better than Sopranos. That’s just me.

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by Jelly Bean on Nov 28, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

No spoilers please!

Please remember: it's not my fault your team sucks.

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by DexterFishmore on Nov 28, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

!!!!!!!!!!!!! The Leader!!!!!!!!!!!

I just thought of that one Simpsons episode. Tis was grand.

Half an hour!

by AndyV on Nov 28, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

On the Lakers pre-game show they were saying how

the Lakers were thinking about drafting Granger if they didn’t get Bynum. That is very interesting. Im glad they didn’t though.

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Nov 28, 2010 5:57 PM PST reply actions  

Granger would have been hell of a consolation prize

I’d be hard pressed to name a better complementary player to play next to Kobe on the wings.

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by Ben R on Nov 28, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

So true.

He would have been better than Caron Butler was and is.

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Nov 28, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

swingmen are a dime a dozen

quality big men are few and far between

signatures are fun!

by LOOOeee on Nov 28, 2010 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

no more elaborating needed

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

Lakers in finals: 2-0 with AMMO, 0-1 without.

by LakerAce on Nov 28, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Nov 28, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, Manning picked twice on consecutive drives

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 28, 2010 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

tolbert tearing up the Colts run defense

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude is a tank

Soft tackles just bounce off him.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Nov 28, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

like 10 or 15 minutes

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

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by shaqfor3 on Nov 28, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

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