A True Test of LeBron's Championship Caliber
Although Kevin Durant is being picked by the majority of the NBA's GMs as the next MVP, there are many analysts saying that LeBron has come out of this summer with a lot to prove, and even more anger to motivate him in proving it. That said, we know LeBron is capable of some legendary offensive performances when he's emotionally inclined (see Game 5 vs. Pistons in 2007). But he's never felt the hate like Kobe has. Not many have, to tell you the truth. As the well-documented Q ratings of late indicated, even after this summer of regrettable, unconscionable decisions, LeBron is still better liked than Kobe, who people can't forgive after more than 5 years.
After their pitiful performance against the Celtics on Opening night, Chris Bosh acknowledged the difficulty in dealing with the actuality of this animosity on the court. It was pretty apparent that it affected all of their play. LeBron himself had 8 turnovers, which is a more relevant scale of his performance, since he can score easier than Barney Stinson.
So can LeBron handle the hate the way Kobe did? Kobe is notorious for performing better when he's pissed off, but what he proved in Orlando and Boston is that he can channel that negative energy into WINS, not just scoring, through other facets of his game. In Orlando, he did what he couldn't do against Boston the previous year against the Celtics' swarming defense, even though he had perfected it in the regular season to the tune of his first ever MVP award: getting his teammates involved. Against Boston this past June, when the regular pressure was punctuated by the game 7 atmosphere and he started to struggle, he went back to the principles: defense and rebounding. He scrapped his way back onto the free-throw line and into the game. He never crumbled and gave up like LeBron (see game 5 vs Celtics in 2010).
He also never had his mom have an affair with one of his teammates, but thats a separate matter entirely, and even then does anyone think Kobe would have gave up? Didn't think so.
So does LeBron have even a chance at showing a fraction of Kobe's warrior mentality? He's given himself quite the catalyst with all the hate he's spawned. If that does prove to be the case, maybe the Decision doesn't seem so bad of one after all.
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See LeBron-Kobe Thread 2010-11, above
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Happy that you even read it dex
haven’t bothered to see the latest direction of the thread but thanks for the update
I like the topic of this post and it is a very interesting point
But he’s never felt the hate like Kobe has.
Lebron has felt nothing but love and adoration since he was in high school. We love to talk about Lebron’s game and what he doesn’t have in his arsenal compared to Kobe. But a big part of winning a title or leading a team is the mental aspect of the game. Similar to Dwight Howard. Shaq like Howard likes to joke around but Shaq played with an intensity that Howard lacks. Everything is a joke to him. Lebron is exactly the same way. He loves to dance on the sidelines and joke around.
Because of the sudden Lebron hate he will be forced to take the game more serious. Lets see what he does with it.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Not to be a stickler.
But I find it quite disrespectful to disregard Howard in a manner that implies he plays the game in a nonchalant matter without intensity. I will not deny that Howard himself is a jokester, but he doesn’t treat the game as a joke. As a professional athlete, Howard as well as most others in the NBA dedicate much of their time towards winning. Come playoff time, even most of his jokes will die away.
I do realize that Howard has room to take a more serious approach during games, but that does not imply that “everything is a joke to him”.
Its no disrespect to Howard
None of your description of Howard is untrue. I have said this before. Go back and look at the pregame half court meetings during the Lakers and Magic Finals meetings. There is nothing wrong with having sense of humor. But for him to try and joke with Kobe and try to make him laugh prior to a Finals game says a lot about him. He is a great player but there is a wrong time to try and be funny. And during a Finals game is the wrong time to show that.
Kobe doesn’t have friends when his legacy is on the line and all the all time greats know that. Look at Magic and I. Thomas’ relationship when they met in the Finals. Howard still doesn’t realize that.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective
You cant hold every player to the same standard of pre game intensity as Kobe. Different people motivate themselves in different ways to alleviate the pressure. As soon as the game started Dwight’s pregame jokes and laughing didnt stop him from trying to maul the Lakers every chance he got, which in my opinion means alot more than anything he does pre game. Magic and Zeke used to meet at half court and european kiss on the cheek before their Finals matchup and were still trying to kill each other for the title. You might not approve of his method in getting ready to play but in all honesty none of that transferred to the court once the game started and that’s all that matters in the long run.
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I agree with this.
Dwight likes to have fun. Just because he doesn’t prepare in the same way as Kobe or KG, that doesn’t mean he’s less focused than Kobe or KG come gametime.
Maybe he was trying to break Kobe’s concentration when he did that, which is a smart tactic. Who knows?
Either way, once the ball is tossed in the air to start the game Dwight becomes a warrior and it’s hard to deny that.
Win a ring without the king! Cavs=2011 champs?
i use that tactic all the time.....it doesnt work so well on Iraqi's with elephant guns though
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In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
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by Sarge Clemins on Oct 29, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
but again, I am not saying he isn’t a warrior. He just doesn’t have the attitude or killer instinct that it takes to lead a team.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
Dwight Howard defenitely plays with intensity. But not the type that is required to win a title or even more to the point that I was trying to make, he doesn’t have that IT think thing needed to be a leader or lead a team until he has a chip on his shoulder. There are great players and Dwight is one of them. But he is going to have to be paired with a player who is not as nice and funny.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
its not disrespect
I think its more of a capacity for seriousness. Dwight Howard, in his most Dwightest Howardest Most Serious State of mind, could not approach the singular focus and intensity of Kobe’s drive and work ethic. Again, its not that they dont try as hard, or want it as much, but that they dont have that extra level. Kobe’s one of the few that does. MJ was the same. Magic was unique in that he was a winner but a HAPPY winner, which is what Dwight has the potential of achieving. But Magic was a straight warrior in-game, and I think a lot of Dwight’s physicality is more a result of people telling him he has to be more physical as opposed to something natural and innate.
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"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
welcome to the almighty SSR....watch out for the new MOD
bluexfalcon he bans ppl for…..oh hai blue! lol
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 28, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it. This isn't a Celtics' blog.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
OMG you issed my joke just like i missed the M on the first issed......lol
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 28, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
lol sorry. I think I did.
"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader
hahaha
maybe you do but ur a little slow to “see” this one!
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 29, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
hahah
I had to handle some bidness :)
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Sweet 16
by bluexfalcon on Oct 29, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
whats her name?
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 29, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Bidness.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
hello there
bidness
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
LOL
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I hate you both.
;)
Queensbridge.
Sweet 16
by bluexfalcon on Oct 29, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
sweet i am unhated
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 29, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Not any more.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
LOL
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 29, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's a popular misconception concerning Dwight Howard
How can you possibly question the Man’s intensity and work ethic? Look at Dwight from his rookie year till now and tell me he hasnt put in the work to be the defensive and rebound monster he is now. You cant do what he has done on a consistent basis without being physical. While we all harp on his offensive game Defense and rebounding were his foundation from the start….Comparing anyone’s drive and focus to Kobe and MJ is a Fail from the start simply because they are arguably 2 of the best players in league history.
I only need 2 words for my sig now....."NBA CHAMPS"
you mean the rookie year where he was wearing Kobe's nuts on his shoulder?
LOL hi there EmmCee!!
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 29, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahahahaha
Yezzzir Sarge that rookie year right there! That was classic and nasty lol
I only need 2 words for my sig now....."NBA CHAMPS"
Ouch
He also never had his mom have an affair with one of his teammates
Also, I don’t understand why Kobe is called a rapist.. I mean he did committ adultery, but from all the false stories Faber (spelling?) told, I am very sure it was not rape. I mean Kobe’s an Nba superstar, why would he need to rape someone when there are plenty of women out there who would love to be with a famous basketball player?
"I don't mind being the goat. I don't mind being the villain, hated. I've been that my whole career, so it's not like that's anything new. I don't mind people jumping on the bandwagon or jumping off. I just focus on playing the game." -Ron Artest
I hope you realize that rape is not about having to do it because you can't get someone any other way.
It doesn’t have anything to do with how much money you have, where you live, or what you do for a living. Rich, poor, old, young, black, white, brown, yellow or orange—everyone is capable of being an offender or a victim. You might want to do some research.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
I second this remark
These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson
What, there wasn't room in the LeBron thread?
See LeBron-Kobe Thread 2010-11, above
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE
cant we just take this micro thread and stick it in there? lol
"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon
In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap
"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart
by Sarge Clemins on Oct 28, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
LeBron can no longer hide. He left all the excuses for not winning in Cleveland. They have to get it done and I’m not talking about 1 or 2 titles. This core of Bosh, Wade and James need to get no less than 5 titles. People have called this Heat team a dynasty before they had even played a single game so the bar has been set. Kobe loves to be hated. He has embraced it. I’m not so sure LeBron is comfortable with being a villian.
.greatness
evidently not…Lebron cant handle being hated….you seen the new commercial….then try to remember Kobes old commercial..he embraces the hate.."Fuel to My Fire’’
by KobeBryantSlamDunkGiant on Oct 29, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Kobe
" love me or hate me its one or the other,always has been, hate my game, hate my swagger, hate my fadeaway, my hunger, hate that im a veteren, a champion, Hate That, hate it with all your heart, and hate that im loved for the exact same reasons".
by KobeBryantSlamDunkGiant on Oct 29, 2010 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
Nice post JK
I usually don’t resond to posts about Lebron James, however this one is good. To answer you last question….No. I just don’t see him having a warrior mentality and he definately doesn’t have that “killer instinct” that Kobe has. If he did have he would have stayed in Cleveland.
He has more pressure now that he is in Miami and we will see how he responds to that along withg being disliked/hated by so many people. I have never liked Lebron, however I would have had some respect for him if he stayed with the Cavs. Lebron can say he has this new anger to prove something, but like LakerKev said above, I just don’t think he is comfortable being a villian.
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Thanks for the props weazel
you’ve dangerously given me reason to write more of these
We really do want to keep the comparisons to the LeBron-Kobe thread.
"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

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