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Contender Preview: Oklahoma City Thunder

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This is the first of our Contender Previews, in which we look at challengers to the Lakers' throne in the upcoming season. Today, we discuss an up-and-coming rival in the West, the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Denver are good. San Antonio are good. Phoenix are good. Utah are good. Houston are good. Portland are good. They're all Western Conference contenders, per se. However, one crucial aspect separates the young Oklahoma City Thunder from their counterparts, and that is quite simply their youth. Every other Western Conference contender, even the Lakers, have virtually reached a standstill in terms of developing homegrown talent and are thus either in stasis or regression barring infusion of talent via free agency (which, courtesy of GM Mitch Kupchak, the Lakers have done ever so well, once again) or trade.

The Thunder, however, are almost a personification of the 'young superstar' in a team form. Aside from a few solid veterans, the entirety of the team's core is young and oozing with potential. From record-breaking 21-year-old scoring champion Kevin Durant, to best-point-guard-on-Team-USA Russell Westbrook, to sophomore #3 draft pick James Harden, the Thunder have an already dangerous core that will only improve with time. There are also solid role players in Jeff Green (who may be overrated, but can still function as a role player on a contending team), Eric Maynor, Serge Ibaka, defensive specialist Thabo Sefolosha  and rookie big man Cole Aldrich.

These guys were the Lakers' toughest opponents in the West last season.

And exceptional circumstances barred, not one of them will regress next season. In fact, they should all improve.

Star-divide

These 'young superstars' have something that many individual young talents do not. They have maturity, chemistry and poise. Oklahoma City GM Sam Presti has truly moulded this team in the model of his mentor Gregg Popovich's San Antonio Spurs, with solid coaching on the bench and an undisputed leader who, while young, is without a doubt deserving in Durant, star of Team USA and MVP favourite for the coming season.

Defensively, this team is tough, with a Defensive Rating of 104.6, good for 9th in the league last season and just 0.9 worse than the Laker's dominant D. This team does not have a multitude of well-known defensive stars, although Westbrook is one of the premier point guard defenders in the league with his combination of size and athleticism; Sefolosha has become known for holding his own against many of the league's premier wings in his role as the Thunder's defensive specialist, and Ibaka is a shotblocker with monster potential. These three defenders are supplemented by strong team defensive schemes and effort.

The primary blemish on this team defensively in previous years was, surprisingly, Durant himself. However, he showed improvement on the defensive side of the ball last season, and his Team USA experience should only further improve his D. This improvement by Durant, coupled with the added size in Aldrich, should make the Thunder stronger defensively.

Offensively, the Thunder have numerous viable options in Green, a versatile scorer from the high post and midrange; Westbrook, a lightning-quick guard with the ability to finish, and Harden, a solid floor-spacer. Aldrich was also known to be an efficient scorer in college, though how he fares against NBA competition is yet to be seen. And of course, the elephant in the room is reigning NBA scoring champion Durant. He scored 30.1 points per game last season on 48% shooting from the field, 90% from the line and 37% from three (a significant down season compared to the season before). Considering that's only his third year in the league, it is reasonable, albeit scary, to assume he can and likely will improve on those numbers in some way shape or form in the upcoming season.

The Thunder have good floor generals leading both units, keeping their offense organised, resulting in a 108.3 Offensive Rating for the prior season (only 0.5 less than the Lakers), good for 12th in the league. With another year of experience and coaching under their belts, there is nowhere for the Thunder to go but up. A key to the Thunder improving offensively is the progress of Durant. While he is quite often the best option, and no one will be complaining if he shoots, if he looks to get others involved in the Thunder offense just a little bit more, it could result in a measurable improvement. It would also be beneficial if Aldrich proved able to score in the low post in the NBA, and if the Thunder developed some more floor-spacing either through trade or internal development, as Durant and Harden are currently their only good three-point shooters.

Matching up with the Lakers, the Thunder have a glaring advantage at point guard, which was shown early on in the teams' first-round playoff series last year. However, as Kobe aptly demonstrated by switching onto Westbrook, as long as Sefolosha starts at the two guard for Oklahoma City, the Lakers can simply switch Kobe and Derek Fisher's defensive matchups to contain Westbrook. As such, if the Thunder wish to be able to truly exploit this advantage, Harden must develop more as a multidimensional offensive threat of the type he had the potential to be coming out of college. This would be particularly dangerous, as it would mean the Thunder would have weapons at all three perimeter positions, which the Lakers could only effectively combat with unconventional lineups.

Obviously, the Thunder are Durant's team, and they will go as far as he takes them. Whilst many are predicting upticks in scoring and rebounding, I would look for two primary things from Durant that would signal his continued development. First, and most important, is an uptick in his assist numbers. For all Durant is praised for his scoring ability, he is still not seen as as much of a distributor as other stars of his caliber. Particularly this season, now that defenses will be more focused on him than ever before, Durant must be able to effectively distribute the ball.

Second, Durant experienced a significant regression in terms of three-point percentage last season, from 42% to 37%. Now, while he did take an extra three per game, and variation is to be expected year to year, such a drastic drop is remarkable for a player with the stroke and skills of Durant. Undoubtedly, some of this drop was due to defenses adjusting to Durant and his having to create more shots for himself; but nonetheless it is an exception, not the norm, and his three-point percentage should see an uptick this upcoming season.

I've seen many predicting a season shooting 50% from the field for Durant, for the mythical 50-40-90 line that very few have ever achieved. I don't see that as likely as some others do, simply because Durant's role is as a scorer, not a shooter, and thus he will take too many shots, many undoubtedly tough or even 'bad' shots, and to achieve 50% from the field in his role as primary scorer would certainly be remarkable. Durant's game is not like LeBron's or Wade's, centred around getting into the lane; instead it incorporates a vast perimeter and midrange component. Even with Durant's silky stroke, to expect 50% from the field from a perimeter-oriented player who shoots the volume that Durant does is unreasonable. (Generally the perimeter players who achieve such a figure are either pure shooters, not scorers like Durant; or ones who do not often look to create their own shot, like Steve Nash.)

Whilst moderate upticks in scoring and rebounding are to be expected, and the increased three-point percentage will improve his overall shooting numbers, I find it hard to see Durant averaging more than 32 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 1.5 steals and 1.2 blocks per game on 49% from the field, 41% from deep and 92% from the line; good enough for a regular-season MVP, All-NBA first-team selection and an opportunity to lead his team deep into the playoffs. All in his fourth year in the league.

Whilst Durant is far and away the best player on the Thunder, their future, and a potential rematch with the Lakers, also depends on the potential of Aldrich. Durant will get his, nonetheless hindered by Artest, and Kobe will get his, similarly bothered by Sefolosha, the Thunder still have no way to even compete with the Lakers' frontline. Aldrich by himself is unlikely to fully resolve that issue, but if he can morph into a decent post scorer and defender he could at least make the Laker bigs break a sweat during a playoff series.

All in all, the Oklahoma City Thunder are probably the Lakers' prime competitors in the West. However, I do not think they are good enough to beat LA yet. I see them needing a few more years' of development from Aldrich and Ibaka to form an offensive and defensive tandem to work in conjunction with Green to have any shot at hindering the Lakers' frontline and defeating the Lakers in a series.

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The Thunder are widely considered the most dangerous challenger to the Lakers in the West this year. Tell us what you think about this!
Sounds reasonable. If things break right for OKC, they could upset the Lakers in a playoff series.
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No way, man. That's just stupid. The Thunder are at least a year away.
250 votes
I miss the SuperSonics.
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by smart_guy on Oct 19, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sooooo much potential for this team.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Oh, good stuff, Saurav.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hands down

The Thunder will be the most exciting team to watch this year. I’m expecting Harden to really improve this year and for all the other young talent to do the same.

In the end, Thunder may be able to snag homecourt and lose the the Lakers in the second round, instead of the first.

Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Oct 19, 2010 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Didn't we used to say the same thing about Portland?

"If you're afraid to fail, you're probably going to. You know, Fuck it."
-Kobe Bean Bryant

by Mike1204 on Oct 19, 2010 12:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, but that was before their team got a volume discount on crutches.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

this team will be very good again

But I still see Portland as the biggest threat when they get Oden back. They’re way deeper than OKC especially in the front court. Also, head to head last year, Portland owned OKC in and if I remember right, none of the games were close.

Faith.... a fan's biggest downfall

by desecrator09 on Oct 19, 2010 12:29 PM PDT reply actions  

At the beginning,

shouldn’t it be Denver is good. etc?

Melkman is my homie. :D

by Cup Noodles on Oct 19, 2010 12:48 PM PDT reply actions  

Saurav is Australian

They employ British usage, which often treats collective nouns in the plural:

http://www.britishcouncil.org/learnenglish-central-grammar-collective-nouns.htm

"I am going to smoke an 8 year old Monte Cristo Cigar, because I am successful." -R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT

Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore

by DexterFishmore on Oct 19, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's alive!

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Alive and back from vacation

You’re all about to get very sick of me again.

"I am going to smoke an 8 year old Monte Cristo Cigar, because I am successful." -R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT

Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore

by DexterFishmore on Oct 19, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but only when visiting those friends of mine who are successful

"I am going to smoke an 8 year old Monte Cristo Cigar, because I am successful." -R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT

Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore

by DexterFishmore on Oct 19, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

The ones in the Canadian space program, of course.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

And send rockets into space

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 19, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And FTR, I prefer Monte Cristo sandwiches.

Much tastier and a lot less smelly.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dude, we could never get sick of you.

We missed the hell out of you.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

WB Dexter

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

If only I could grow a moustache like that

"I am going to smoke an 8 year old Monte Cristo Cigar, because I am successful." -R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT

Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore

by DexterFishmore on Oct 19, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

or wear a jean coutoff like that!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

BOOOOOO!!! he is the CaNdY GaWd son!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 19, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

one weeeeeeeeeeeek!

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How can we disregard Miami as a legit threat because they have no bigs, and not do the same to OKC?

I wont make that mistake, untill they get a couple legit big men they wont be a threat to us. Dallas, Portland, Houston(if Yao stays healthy).

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

This is the first of our Contender Previews, in which we look at challengers to the Lakers’ throne in the upcoming season. Today, we discuss an up-and-coming rival in the West, the Oklahoma City Thunder.

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by bluexfalcon on Oct 19, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

All in all, the Oklahoma City Thunder are probably the Lakers’ prime competitors in the West

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

seriously, no bigs, no problem.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Its all about match-ups in The Playoffs. We have Ron/Barnes/Kobe to throw at Durant but who do they have to guard Drew/Pau/Lamar?

Ibakas a quaility player, but hes a better help defender then he is a post-defender. Plus hes undersized, both in height and weight.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same goes for Miami. We have Ron/Barnes/Kobe/Shannon to guard Wade/LeBron, but who do they have to guard Pau/Drew/Lamar? Joel Anthony/Z cant even guard those guys in their dreams.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

like I said. no bigs, no problem.

that’s why for me the biggest threat for us is Orlando, as long as Dwight keeps developing his offensive game, and the franchise keeps surrounding him with good players, they’d be tough to beat.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think its possible for Miami to make it out of the East because of Bostons senior citizen squad they have over their and because Orlando has Vince Carter as their starting SF.

They wont face the quality/size/strength of big men untill they see us(if they see us) in The Finals. Boston did a nice job of adding size, but just because you sign the biggest guys out their dosnt make them more talented.

Shaq’s weaknesses out-weigh his tsrengths at this point in his career, and the other O’Neal is always hurt. Plus one of them will be riding the bench once Perk comes back.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

The blue whale would like to have a word with you.

Everyone else agrees.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I don't understand the comment

Who’s disregarding Miami? The Heat preview is coming later this week from yours truly, and I promise they won’t be disregarded.

"I am going to smoke an 8 year old Monte Cristo Cigar, because I am successful." -R.I.P. JACK TATUM RAIDER D GOAT

Twitter feed: @dexterfishmore

by DexterFishmore on Oct 19, 2010 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am disregarding Miami. As are a number of other members here. From what ive seen at least.

By disregarding i dont mean, completely putting them aside, but their lack of bigs is why a lot of people dont think they could beat The Lakers in a 7-Game series.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

i concur

thanks lal32

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Oct 19, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

uh, no prob?

haha

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

sorry for not making any sense

i meant, thank you for the phrase “i concur”

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Oct 19, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think we can all agree,

that we all expect to win the championship this year.

anything besides that will be a HUGE dissapointment and upset. Im not trying to overlook anyone, but I just see anybody that can match up with us. Yes, teams got better this offseason, but so did we. A whole lot better!!!

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup. When the 2-Time Back-To-Back NBA Champions improve(vastly) over the summer you dont pick against them. Not unless your the media of course.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

media....what is this word?

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

A synonym for idiots.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL good one

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Cole Aldrich, Nick Collison and Serge Ibaka

Are miles better than Joel Anthony, Jamaal Magloire, and Zydrunas Illgauskas. Not even remotely close.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 20, 2010 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats not saying much.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 20, 2010 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Plus do you honestly think Nick Collison, Serge Ibaka, and Cole Aldrich(a rookie) can consistently guard Pau/Drew/Lamar? No chance.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 20, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ibaka can definitely make Pau work for his points

He was the best big on OKC’s roster during the playoffs, and will be a defensive monster if he continues to develop. Collison is an underrated defensive big that takes charges really well and moves his feet well. It’s harder for him because he’s undersized, but he’s still an asset for OKC defensively. Aldrich, at the bare minimum, is a big body in the middle and he won’t have any scoring responsibilities to worry about.

There’s a huge gap between them and Anthony, who is still incredibly raw, and Magloire and Illgauskas, who are both washed up.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 20, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

wasn’t there a game where they had 15 blocks on us or something like that. What they lack in size, they definitely have in defensive effort and skill

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

by Marty Mart on Oct 20, 2010 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hoping Ratliff and Blake can have better games tonight

I know it’s preseason but Blake will be a huge part of the bench need him to play a little better.

Also interesting how Caracter is supossed to be the one getting more playing time in the regular season and be more of a impact due to Drew’s injury yet Ebanks is the rookie that’s looking much more polished and comfortable.

Mat Latos is the real deal...Go Lakers, Pads, and Bolts

by mrbarneydangles on Oct 19, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

keep talking i likes it

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

just finished rewatching a game where Kobe scored 33 points in 7 minutes. what a beast.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

opponent?

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jordan's last game on Staples.

Wizards.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

extra motivation eh?

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

that and he was in one of those Kobe zones, most of his shots coming from 2-3 feet behind the 3 point line

and still made almost all of them

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loved the comments the Washington announcers were making about Kobe that game.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

but damn, 33 points in 7.13 minutes. no one gets hot like Kobe Bryant, no one.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

40 points with just 16 shots too

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

phenomenal

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep. I think he only had 4 freethrow attempts during that streak too.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

And 1!!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

i hopw that finger is pretty much painless this year,

so we can see a couple more of those hot streaks.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

can I have that link to watch it?

"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by madmaxx350 on Oct 19, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

dude, if Jordan can play till he's 40, whi couldnt Kobe?

I know Kobe has alot more miles on those legs but he takes extremely good care of his body.

Here’s to hoping Kobe can get under 35 minutes a game this season and no more summer basketball….

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 20, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's hoping that

Kobe takes two seasons off and plays baseball where he rides the pine most of the time because he constantly strikes out. Then here’s to another 3 seasons off where he just retires for no reason and then comes back after taking an ownership stake in the Lakers. Then I could see him playing til he’s 40 in the NBA. Unless he does these things, I’ll enjoy seeing him in Italy. lol

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

by Marty Mart on Oct 20, 2010 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

pretty much.

"Hopefully, they perceive me as a person who did whatever he had to do to win above all else. Above anything. Above stats." – Kobe Bryant

by LAL32 on Oct 21, 2010 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

i just watched the game vs dallas where he scored 62 in 3 quarters.

COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was a Championship caliber Dallas team too.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

he would have destroyed 81 points had he played the 4th quarter.

he was in a crazy zone. was making everything in that 3rd quarter.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

It still amazes me that someone is todays game could score 81 points in a game. I remember watching that game thinking is this really happening? Does he really have 77 points, then 80 then 81.

A moment i’ll never forget. One of many from KB24.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

correction. KB8.

sorry to nit pick

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nike needs to make that into a commercial. KB8 vs KB24 one on one.

just like the one MJ did.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes then the droves of Jordan jock riders would have more fuel for their pitter party

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

let them, this match-up is much better anyway since it's champ vs champ.

young MJ had 0 rings vs old MJ 6 rings. KB8 had 3 rings vs KB24 has 2 + ? rings

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes yes.

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

My mistake. One of many moments from KB24 & KB8.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, they were even known for their defense during that season too.

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

62 points on 31 shots.

RIDUNKULOUS

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah he had a few of those too

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

he was a great player, but sometimes i think people put Jordan up on a pedestal.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 20, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

LMAO!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 20, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

oh and BTW Saurav.....give urself a pat on the back for a great article!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

yup, that was a good read

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Very good read.

I still think the Thunder are a year away. Or 1 additional big man away. They have plenty of talent, but the Lakers just have all the right pieces to counteract anything they throw at us. Our bigs clog the middle, so we have good 3 point defense. Artest and Barnes will hassle Durant and we can switch Kobe onto Westbrook just like we did after game 4 last year.

I just dont think anybody in the West has anything on the Lakers this year. The Thunder might be the closest, but they are still not close.

As far as the west, I still think the biggest threat is Boston. They definently got older, but they did get bigger, which was one of their weaknesses last year. depending on how healthy shaq on jermaine can stay, while determine how far they can go. actually, the health of those 2, perk, pierce, gar and allen will determine how far they go, cuz there bench leaves something to be desired.

And as far as Miami, I think they got 3 years of MLE signing till they will be great. They will win alot of games, but playing 42+ minutes a game is gonna catch up to the 3 heat. they have nobody besides those 3 to depend on.

All in all, Lakers will be back to back to back NBA champs.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

*** as far as the east (3rd paragraph)

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

They definently got older, but they did get bigger, which was one of their weaknesses last year. depending on how healthy shaq on jermaine can stay, while determine how far they can go.

If Shaq and JO can stay healthy and in shape(Big if) one of will still be riding the pine once Perk comes back. You cant play three different C’s consistently.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

jermaine can play the 4, but your right,

shaq and perk cannot be on the court at the same time.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

He can play the 4 your right, but i think hes more effective at the 5. Because at this point in his career hes too slow to play the 4, but at the 5 hed be quicker then almost anyone he’d be going against.

Plus hes developing the Rasheed syndrome. Hes not going into the post as much as he should, instead hes facing up and shooting jumpers, and obviously those aren’t as effective.

Just my opinion of course.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

WIN

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 19, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

make it go green in honor of the Seattle Super Sonics

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by Czheck on Oct 19, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

EPIC

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

BEAST

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by smart_guy on Oct 19, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say "most dangerous" I don’t think that this Lakers team has faced Dallas in the playoffs. So I would say that Dallas and Houston are the most dangerous. Houston because they have shown to cause problems for them in the past. Oklahoma is up there.

Maybe my memory is off but didn’t Pau hit a close game winner when the series was tied 2-2. If he misses that shot the Thunder go up 3-2 in the series. The same with Phoenix. If not for Artest’s last second shot the Lakers are down 3-2 going back to Phoenix. Either way, Oklahoma is probably 3rd on the list.

by Wade's Lapdog on Oct 19, 2010 3:29 PM PDT reply actions  

It was game 6 that

closed out the series. Pau tipped in the gamewinner.

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

by Marty Mart on Oct 19, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

gasol's game-winner was in game 6 vs. OKC

when the lakers were up 3-2 already, to clinch the series.

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

to slow Marty beat you! nah nah

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

cant see it

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can. I dont know what i did wrong. aha

Never mind… aha

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

:(

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dallas doesn't have the pieces to deal with us

There’s no point guard to break down Fish off the dribble (unless Carlisle has an epiphany and plays Beaubois 35 minutes a game), no post game to worry about, Gasol and Odom both cover Dirk really well, and who is the wing defender on that team that checks Kobe? Marion has lost a lot of foot speed, Butler isn’t a good defender, and Kidd, who usually defends twos nowadays, isn’t up to the task either. Sure, they’ll likely defend our frontcourt as well as any non-Boston team in the league (between Haywood, Chandler, Nowitzki, and Marion), but they don’t have a lot going for them, besides the fact that their entire core is due for a decline outside of Dirk.

Houston matches up better with us, but still doesn’t have the overall talent to knock us off. Yao is still too easily neutralized by aggressive fronting, and he’s more limited now than when he was before his latest injury. Brooks is obviously the classic Fisher-killing point guard, although his court vision and defense come up short. Martin is a nice complement to Yao but a brutal defensive player who should get abused by Artest (as there’s a 99% Battier covers Kobe). On that subject, Houston has a pretty nice selection of wing defenders with Battier and Lee, along with some frontcourt workhorses in Scola and Patterson, but I don’t see where this team generates significant amounts of offense against us outside of Brooks.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 19, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wait what?
There’s no point guard to break down Fish off the dribble (unless Carlisle has an epiphany and plays Beaubois 35 minutes a game),

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Oct 19, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jason Kidd and Jason Terry aren't fast enough to take advantage of Fisher.

Whereas Beaubois, a sophomore, is.

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Lakers in finals: 2-0 with AMMO, 0-1 without.

by LakerAce on Oct 19, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

oohh

i got it nao

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
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by smart_guy on Oct 19, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terry still has a bit of speed

But he drives largely due to the threat of his jumper. That and he’s not really an ideal point guard, so he needs Kidd or Beaubois out there to complement him.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 19, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terry is fast enough. Kidd isnt.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dallas isnt a threat to knock us off(nobody in my mind is) but they have the pieces to make us work for our money. Chandler, Haywood are solid defensive bigs. Gasol/Odom do a very good job of guarding Dirk, but hes still averaging 20/10 against us in the last 6 games(40% shooting though. Marion/Butler arent the best guys to guard Kobe, but they could do a lot worse. Kidd isnt the best PG to take advantage of Fish, but hes still an advantage.

Last 6 games against LA Yao has averaged 21 pts, 11 rpg(on 51% shooting). Brooks is an absolute Laker killer, if anything hes going to have an easier time because we dont have Jordy to match up speed wise with him. Martin will fit in nicely with Adelmans offense, but his defense is terrible. Scola also plays really well against us as-well. Brooks, Yao, Scola could all score, they shouldnt have much of a problem with those 3. But other then them i dont see how they’ll score enough.

Houston, Dallas, Portland are the top 3 threats right now in my opinion.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also we havent played Dallas in a Playoff series in the past 10 years, i think its over-due. Whether its in The WCF, or in The Semis.

I like Portlands bigs, but their perimeter players outside of Roy arent much to worry about. Rudy will probably be traded at some point, Matthews is still pretty raw(and over-paid), I HATE Andre Millers game, and Jeryd Bayless is a boom-or-bust type of a player. Batums a solid defender, but his offense isnt that impressive.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chandler and Haywood are both nonexistent offensive threats, which only aggravates the jumper-happy nature of Dallas’ offense. Marion and Butler are poor choices to guard Kobe given the former’s increasing lack of jumping ability or lateral movement and Butler’s altogether lack of defensive skill. Sure, they could do worse if they trotted out Eduardo Najera or Matt Carroll, but it’s not an impressive set of defenders. Also, there’s almost nothing Kidd can do to take advantage of Fisher on offense. If there’s any redeeming value Fisher still has in one-on-one matchups, it’s that his strength makes posting up against him practically impossible, and that’s about the only thing Kidd can do nowadays besides being a spot-up shooter. As for Dirk, his overall production doesn’t concern me that much, but rather that we have the types of defenders to make him work for his points.

As for Houston, I seriously doubt Yao is a similar factor against us given that 1) his mobility is even further shot, making fronting him even more effective 2) he has a strict minute cap that I doubt gets increased substantially even in the playoffs. Brooks is effective against us, but doesn’t have the court vision to match that insane speed and shooting capability in the manner that say Chris Paul dissects opposing defenses. You’re much more likely to force him into an ill-considered shot by rotating players over than having him throw a pinpoint pass to an open player.

I’d rank the current top three threats as OKC, Portland, and San Antonio. OKC’s main threat is that basically everyone can get better this year, which helps when they’re so ridiculously deep. If two or three of the non-Durant rotation (i.e. Westbrook/Ibaka/Harden) break out this year, beating them will be very difficult. Aldrich and Cook were also underrated additions for bringing an interior presence and shooting respectively. Portland has a lot of good matchups against us, although McMillan’s offense is so dependent on Roy-isolations to work that I doubt it’s effectiveness in the playoffs when Artest can zone in on him. In any case, I find it doubtful that that entire rotation makes it to the playoffs without a significant injury or two. San Antonio added Splitter, who is probably the best frontcourt partner Duncan has had since Robinson, and Pop is still the best coach in the league in managing his players for the long haul. Of all the teams in the West, San Antonio undoubtedly has the most dangerous core (Parker/Ginobili/Duncan) if healthy.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 20, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with all Dallas points except that Marion/Butler arent as bad as you make em seem. Also the last couple times weve played Dallas Kidd has posted up Fisher forcing us to double, which opens up the floor(but they dont have many shooters to take advantage).

Yao has never relied on his mobility to be a factor. His size is what causes problems, even for us. They dont need Brooks to dissect defenses like Chris Paul with the system they run over there. Just like Adelman didnt need Bibby to dissect defense with the kings early in the decade. Plus like i said we had Farmar to match-up speed wise in the past, but now we dont have that.

OKC just doesnt have the size to match-up with us. I cant see them being a legit threat, not when they’d have to rely on Nick Collison and Cole Aldridge as much as they will. Plus last year they were lucky to sustain no major injuries, i doubt that happens two years in a row.

Portland has the opposite problem as most teams do against us. They have a number of different bigs they can throw at ours, but they dont have any quality perimeter players behind Roy. Aldridge is usually a non-factor when he goes against us, and Roy will have his hands full with Ron/Kobe/Barnes. I dont see how they can manage to score enough points to keep up with us.

San Antonio will always be dangerous because of their great coaching, and experience. But Manu’s going to be 33, Duncan 35. Can they go through a whole season without any injuries? I dont know. They also have Richard Jefferson as their starting SF, hes absolutely terrible, just awful. I like Splitter but will he be that effective his first year?

For me it has to be Houston(if Yao is healthy), San Antonio(if big 3 can stay healthy), and Dallas.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 20, 2010 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are on point about most of your comments but one thing I disagree

is that Lamar can cover Dirk really well. Every time the Mavs have faced the Lakers I have walked away thinking how badly Dirk kills LO. Pau does a good job on him though. Dallas does also have one similarity with the Lakers and that is their depth. Also, the playoffs are a different animal and when compared with OKC Dallas I think would be a tougher match up. But it would be hard to tell until they meet in the playoffs.

As for Houston I agree 100%. If Yao is healthy they will be very dangerous.

by Wade's Lapdog on Oct 20, 2010 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Breaking news.

Starbucks has lost its Magic

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"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions  

first the lakers, then starbucks

what next?

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

he should try to buy the Dodgers instead

he would still be more competent than the McCourts

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 19, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would be more competent than the McCourts.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

fixed
I anyone would be more competent than the McCourts.

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 19, 2010 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish he would do something to bring an NFL team to LA..

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Oct 19, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

he should get a football team..

i mean soccer team

"You had me at hello world"... -- hahahahahaha first programmer pick up line i've heard!

by crushmybones on Oct 19, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

or get a competent owner for the dodgers

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 19, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

he's about to buy something big , maybe?

"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by madmaxx350 on Oct 19, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by DexterFishmore on Oct 19, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"I've got the Maaagiiiic in me!"

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

AMMO's stache + Shaw's power = 2 Titles

by LakerAce on Oct 19, 2010 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleveland has been relatively solid this preseason.

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

AMMO's stache + Shaw's power = 2 Titles

by LakerAce on Oct 19, 2010 5:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Well they’ll be very un-solid once the regular season starts.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think they'll make the playoffs

41-41 is what i project for them

"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by madmaxx350 on Oct 19, 2010 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

That'll land them the 8th seed right?

Miami-Cleveland would be an awkward series.

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

Lakers in finals: 2-0 with AMMO, 0-1 without.

by LakerAce on Oct 19, 2010 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea something like the 8th seed

"One thing LeBron James has won that Kobe Bryant never has, and never will: A bronze medal."- Josh Tucker

by madmaxx350 on Oct 19, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Orlando, Boston, Miami, Chicago, Milwaukee, New York, Atlanta are practically locks to make it.

That leaves one spot open. Charlotte, Washington, Philly are better teams in my book. I cant see them making it.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 20, 2010 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Washington will have Ammo

So they’ll obviously make the playoffs.

AmmoKlosed.

For me its the consistent inconsistency that concerns me - PAGFL
It's always AMMO Time, in spirit- DexterFishmore
lebron should just lock himself away and not talk for the rest of forever-LA32

by 99bc99 on Oct 20, 2010 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont think New York is a lock.

They havent proven they can compete yet

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 20, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Basically, the better Cleveland does this year,

the more it says something about Lebron’s true value.

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

Lakers in finals: 2-0 with AMMO, 0-1 without.

by LakerAce on Oct 19, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleveland wont be near .500, if they are it’ll be a miracle.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 20, 2010 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Clearly you didn't read Dan Gilbert's letter

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by DexterFishmore on Oct 20, 2010 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

awesome

pre-season game tonite!

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by shaqfor3 on Oct 19, 2010 5:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Thunders are a good young team which need

a jersey makeover, more time to gel and a center presence then we can talk about knocking the Lakers down.

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by BrittneyM on Oct 19, 2010 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

i think they should change their jersey colors to white and green with a little bit of yellow trim.

maybe change their name to something that sounds super…….

oh wait………….

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by LakersFoEva on Oct 20, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, not allowed, remember?

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by SoCalGal on Oct 20, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

?????????

i guess i dont remember

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 20, 2010 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

City of Seattle keeps the Supersonics' name as part of the agreement with the NBA.

Kobe Bryant's no Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant is Kobe Bryant.

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by Saurav A. Das on Oct 20, 2010 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Oct 24, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Thunder had a great season last year

And I expect them to duplicate it this year. No better, pretty much the same.

Why? Because last year the Thunder were blessed with an injury free team. I don’t see that same luck continuing this year, which may result in a few more losses. In addition, the Thunder crept up on a lot of opponents last year and surprised them. I don’t think they’ll be surprising anyone this year, in fact, people may be gearing up to play the Thunder.

I do expect Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Green et al to improve their games, which would result in a few more wins. But with all the factors combined, I see them exactly where they were last year. Around 50 wins, possibly taking home court in the first round.

by Aces-UCLA on Oct 19, 2010 6:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Good call on the injury factor.

There’s no way that luck continues for 2 straight years.

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by LakerAce on Oct 19, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

mos def

thunder were the healthiest team in the nba last season, no way it continues like that for long.

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

i have a feeling dallas will reach the west finals this year. they’ve underachieved for too long. i still think the thunder are a few pieces away from being legit contenders. i dont like green at pf and they lack a true center. who’s their shooting guard?

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by chaucer on Oct 19, 2010 11:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I think they start Sefalosha and Harden comes off the bench.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 19, 2010 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

i dont like green at pf and they lack a true center. who’s their shooting guard?

Ibaka will probably play significant minutes if Brooks realizes that he’s miles better than Green. Harden was taken third overall for a reason and will probably get better over time while Sefolosha and Cook provide defense and shooting respectively. As for the interior, besides Ibaka, they acquired Aldrich, who is slightly undersized but should be able to guard centers regardless, and Collison defends at the five pretty well for an undersized guy.

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by Ben R on Oct 20, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ibaka should definitely get more minutes. But with him on the floor they lack spacing, a problem they had against us last year.

Sefalosha’s a solid defender, but as good as he is on that end, hes just as bad on the offensive end. The opposite goes for Cook, hes a solid offensive player(not last year though), but his defense is weak.

I dont think Collisions a solid defender, not against our bigs at least. Aldridge is undersized like you said, plus hes a rookie who’ll be going against two of the best bigs in the game(Pau/Drew). I doubt he can hold his own.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 20, 2010 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

ben, you are a true student of the game. i don’t know 80 percent of the names on that roster. lol

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by chaucer on Oct 20, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ben is like a big ole book of basketball

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by Sarge Clemins on Oct 20, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Play some 2K

watch a whole lot of basketball and you become accustomed to knowing the people you should. We’ve spoken of all the players he’s mentioned before. Just gotta pay attention. I think the only one we haven’t spoken about is Aldrich and thats because he is new and just got drafted. Ibaka should be familiar because he’s the main one responsible for like half their blocks in the playoffs. lol. Sefalosha is the one who couldn’t buy a shot, and Kobe cheated halfway across the court from so disrespectfully. Harden was a good shooter throughout the season, don’t know what happened in the playoffs, but he didn’t seem as effective. Green is of course the bricklayer for the foundation of the OKC floor and Cook is the one that someone kept talking about the Lakers getting over the summer. You can learn so much just by looking around SSR. lol.

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by Marty Mart on Oct 20, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

wish i could. got too much on my plate right now to enjoy basketball and sports in general. hec, i havent caught a single nfl game this year so far. i can’t visit this blog as frequently as i did. not enough time.

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by chaucer on Oct 20, 2010 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, some things are just more important.

And making time for SS&R is one of them. I suggest you re-examine your priorities.

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by SoCalGal on Oct 21, 2010 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

lol

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 21, 2010 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Understood

just pointing out that to attain the knowledge he has isn’t as daunting as it may seem. Just requires time that you at the moment don’t have.

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by Marty Mart on Oct 21, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

dont know about this team, they do have the spacing with green but that didnt serve them much good

when they played during the playoffs; green shot like 30% from the floor and durant’s shooting was much prettier. And unless bynum is completely useless and odom has a crappy series, then I dont see the thunder upsetting the lakers; maybe an exciting 7 games series but that is the limit.

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by Bkj on Oct 20, 2010 5:54 PM PDT reply actions  

But I do think that if oden is completely, 100% healthy, and marcus camby provides say boards a night

to make up for LMA’s apathy in that area, and rudy fernandez’s game is on target and nic batum is draining those corner threes then I think Portland could topple the lakers, but unfortunately for them is thatthere is a 99.999% chance that this doesnt appen; they have the pieces butI dont think they have he luck or will to do so; especially when seeing them bark at the refs and complain that the suns were dirty.

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by Bkj on Oct 20, 2010 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

*10 boards a night

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by Bkj on Oct 20, 2010 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

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