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The Lakers on Offense: Everyone on the same page


Three seasons ago (the last one to end in defeat for the purple and gold), the Los Angeles Lakers had one of the best offenses in the NBA.  They ranked 3rd in Offensive Ranking, behind only the Utah Jazz and the Phoenix Suns.  That 2007-2008 season marked the arrival of many things, both literal and figurative.  It marked the arrival of the Lakers as a legitimate contender, the arrival of Andrew Bynum as a player who has more than just potential (as well as the unfortunate arrival of his inability to play full seasons), the arrival of Pau Gasol and Trevor Ariza via highway robbery trades, and, most importantly as it pertains to this discourse on the Lakers' current offense, the arrival of the Bench Mob.

In lieu of recent struggles, it might be difficult to remember just how powerful a force the Bench Mob was.  In sharp contrast to the methodical brilliance of the starters, the bench played a completely different, up-tempo style that teams struggled to cope with.  The bench that season consisted of Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Luke Walton/Vlad Radmonivic, Ronny Turiaf, and Andrew Bynum.  You might look at that list now and see Andrew Bynum and 4 scrubs, but not in '08.  Back then, Farmar pushed the pace but remained under control, and if he was cut off, he could find Sasha and Vlad Rad at the 3 pt line, or Turiaf and Bynum on a secondary break.  If the fast break didn't work, they ran a steady dose of pick and roll as Farmar found Bynum for alley oops or Sasha punished teams for going under screens.  And the ball movement, oh sweet mercy, the Bench Mob's ball movement was spectacular.  No sticky palms, no relentless dribbling, just a bunch of guys sharing the rock until somebody had a wide open shot.

08-09 saw the Bench Mob start the season with even more potency.  Vlad Rad and Turiaf were gone, and Sasha regressed a little bit, but new addition Trevor Ariza gave Farmar someone to expertly fill the wing on the fast break.  Lamar Odom replaced Turiaf (pretty massive upgrade there), and the 5th member of the Bench Mob was which ever starting big was in at the time.  To begin the season, this lineup absolutely dominated opposing teams, and played a huge role in the Lakers' 21-3 start to the season. 

Star-divide

So what happened?  A combination of attrition and regression killed the Bench Mob's mojo.  Trevor Ariza was moved to the starting lineup, as did Lamar Odom with Andrew Bynum's injury.  Sasha's ability fell off the face of the earth.  Suddenly, the offensive potency was gone, and with it severe attention was paid to the Bench Mob's less sterling defensive ability.  However, the Lakers were still a great offensive team, because the starters were so ludicrously efficient that it didn't matter much what the bench did.  Last year, because of Ron Artest's lack of comfort, and Derek Fisher's (and later, Kobe Bryant's) poor regular season play, the Lakers fell off dramatically on offense, falling to just above average in the league, and the bench's failings were much more pronounced because the starters weren't picking them up anymore.

Why spend so many words on the Lakers' bench of 2 and 3 years past?  I think it is the key to understanding why last year's bench performed so poorly.  Despite vast changes in personnel (and the effectiveness of other personnel), the Bench Mob never stopped trying to be the Bench Mob.  They never adjusted their style of play (and believe me, the coaches were telling them to adjust) to accommodate the fact that they could no longer effectively play in that style.  They continued to push the pace, despite a complete lack of effectiveness, and in the half-court, ball and player movement were replaced with Farmar and Brown taking turns over-dribbling and jacking up shots. 

This off-season, the front office made the following edict abundantly clear:  The Bench Mob is dead.  Gone is Jordan Farmar, in many ways the ring-leader of both the good and bad versions of the Mob.  Brought in are three veteran players, only one of which (Matt Barnes) could even come close to being considered "Bench Mob" personnel.  Now, instead of young kids littering the 2nd unit, the Lakers go 10 deep with only one member of each unit under the age of 30.  Maturity is the new rule.  Is it a bit dangerous?  Yes, because the Lakers are a bit short on the qualities (athleticism, speed) that youth brings to the table.  But the message is clear; the expectation of this team is consistency.  Not consistency in play (although that would be an added benefit), but consistency in ideology. Let's take a look at the personnel.

Point Guard

Would it be harsh of me to say that my favorite Derek Fisher season was 2000-2001?  In that season, the 2nd championship of the Shaq/Kobe era, Fisher missed the first 62 games of the season with a messed up foot, played the last 20 games to get his legs, and then spend the entire postseason just destroying teams from the outside (over 50% 3pt shooting for the entire postseason, and 15-20 from 3 in the pivotal 4 game annihilation of the prime contender San Antonio Spurs).  That team underperformed in the regular season before putting together the most dominant postseason run since the introduction of the 16 team format, and Derek Fisher played a huge role in turning a very good team into a dominant one.

Shouldn't that be the prevailing strategy for Fisher at this point?  Hog tie him to the bench, break his finger if you have to, then get him just enough burn in the regular season to build a rhythm, and then commence with the annual postseason heroics?  Last season, we weren't so lucky.  We had to watch Fish take the full 82 game season to "find his legs."  I'm not exactly complaining any more, though I certainly did as he was doing it, because his postseason once again confirmed that we are foolish to doubt him when it really matters.  The problem is his play when it doesn't really matter.  Maybe Fish has a bounceback year, maybe he doesn't.  I suppose it doesn't really matter, but I'd just as soon not have to watch 82 games of bricked PUJITs and WALITs, you know?

Behind Derek Fisher, we have the newly arrived Steve Blake, who in many ways is like a 6 (thousand) years younger version of Mr. Intangibles himself.  Blake will keep the offense organized, not try to do too much, and keep the defenses honest with a consistent outside stroke.  Most importantly, he will bring offensive continuity to the team by ensuring the bench plays in the same style as starters, which will allow for much smoother hybrid (some starters, some bench) lineups. 

Shooting Guard

Championship and Finals MVP notwithstanding, Kobe Bryant has had better seasons than last year's version on offense.  Like, just about all of them since he went from super young bench player to contributor on a champion.  Last year was Kobe's lowest PER since 1999-2000, his lowest shooting percentage (by far) since Mitch Kupchak found him some teammates, and only a percentage point higher than his lowest True Shooting % (incorporating the ability to get to the foul line) ever.  Of course, there are tons of mitigating factors which explain this decline.  Dude played with a broken finger for the last 2/3 of the season and playoffs, and added multiple other nicks and injuries along the way.  At one point, I counted 4 different areas of his body that weren't right.  In the playoffs, all it took was a drained knee to turn him back into Kobe for just long enough to get him ring #5.  At his best, as he was for most of the postseason, he is the most complex, difficult to stop, offensive force in the game.

There are two problems with writing off Kobe's offensive struggles to those mitigating factors.  The first problem is that a lot of those factors aren't going away.  The knee problems he sustained last season seem to fall closer to "normal wear and tear of an older top tier athlete" than "something's broke, and we can fix it with medicine".  The finger was a freak accident, but by playing with it last year, he developed an arthritic condition that won't go away, so he's just going to have to figure out how to deal with it.  And, while there are no lingering effects from the myriad of other injuries he picked up last year, his susceptibility to picking up those types of injuries is definitely increasing.  That leads to the other problem, which is that Kobe doesn't understand that mitigating factors, you know, mitigate.  His response to a messed up body is essentially "Eff you, body, I'm just going to keep on doing like I do."  It's admirable in many ways, a clear sign of his indomitable will.  But what it isn't, is effective and/or healthy.  If Kobe doesn't learn how to listen to his body soon, there won't be much Kobe left.

Behind Kobe, we have Shannon Brown and Sasha Vujacic.  Sasha's supposed offensive skillset is what this team has been screaming for, but it's been a long, long time since that skillset has shown us any proof of life.  Because of this, we're likely to see a lot more of Brown than Sasha, and Brown is a capable player on the offensive end, as long as he sticks to the system.  He didn't far too often last year, but he should have a bit more help in that regard this year.

Small Forward

No one is confused about Ron Artest's offensive performance last season.  He looked lost.  He admitted it, Phil Jackson admitted it, everyone knows it.  He came through with some massive offensive performances in the playoffs last season (Game 7, anyone?), but by and large he had the look of a guy trying to play the currently non-existent Square offense.  Why is this a good thing?  Well, Ron's confusion didn't prevent the Lakers from hosting another title parade, and even better, that confusion seems to be a thing of the past.  It's real hard to derive meaning from meaningless preseason games, but one of the clearest pieces of evidence we've seen is that Artest knows what he is doing.  He's launching shots without hesitation, finding his places within the offense, and finding far greater success than we saw on a regular basis last year.  Along with an in-form Lamar Odom, Artest has been the Lakers best offensive player so far this preseason.

Behind Artest, Phil Jackson has some options, but the leader in the clubhouse has to be Matt Barnes.  Luke Walton does a great job of playing his role in the Triangle, but I just don't see Walton making up on offense what Barnes has on him defensively, and besides, Luke's ability to even play basketball is unfortunately questionable right now.  Barnes wouldn't be here if the Lakers had confidence in Walton's ability to give them 60 games, much less 82+playoffs.  Ironically, Barnes fits the mold of the "triangle wing player" better than Artest does, because he is a more accomplished cutter than Ron-Ron.  No matter who's on the court at the 3, you can bank on solid, but probably not spectacular play.  Which is fine, considering this position should really be no better than 4th option most of the time.

[Added Bonus: Devin Ebanks won't see any time, but his offensive game is miles ahead of where I expected it to be.  He looks like he's capable of a dependable outside shooting stroke, and can slash with the best of them.]

Power Forward/Center

It is in the middle that we find what should be the Lakers 1st option, at least during the regular season.  I'm sure that, if he's playing, Kobe Bryant will get his fill first, and that's fine, but for the 82 game grind, this offense should run through the middle as a 1st resort.  That's because the Lakers employ the most gifted, skilled, and capable trio of bigs in the league (until the Celtics acquired Shaq, they were also the biggest).  It is truly an embarrassment of riches that one of the three of Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, and Lamar Odom have to be on the bench at all times.

We'll start with Pau, who is only the most skilled and accomplished post player in the league.  His repertoire of post moves is so big, The Dream called him for lessons instead of the other way around.  I'm kidding, of course, but Pau can do it all.  Hooks with either hand, fade aways to either shoulder, spin moves, the whole 9 yards.  If only he could add dunk to the list.  He's also an accomplished passer, and has range up to 15-20 feet.  Put it this way, 8-10 is not an uncommon box score for Mr. Gasol.

It can also be a common box score for Andrew Bynum, at times.  Drew has nowhere near Pau's consistency, but he does have a very polished back to the basket game, and he has both the wingspan and the hops to make the difference between a cute finessed layup and a powerful throwdown.  Unfortunately, Drew has been robbed of some of that athleticism, and it usually takes him a while to get back in rhythm when returning from injury.  Therefore, it may be well into February or later before we see Drew really play the role of dominant offensive force.

Lamar Odom is an altogether different kind of animal.  Lamar doesn't play much with his back to the basket (though he's usually effective enough when he does that you wonder why), but he certainly brings enough to the table to more than make up for it.  He's not a great shooter, but Lamar does three things better than just about anybody else in this league at his position: handle the ball, pass the ball, and make cuts to the basket.  Lamar is basically a point guard in a power forward's body, minus a consistent outside shot.  And when he and Pau get the interior passing going, it's a joy to watch.

The remaining bigs are a bit of a struggle on the offensive end, as Caracter still has much to learn, and Theo Ratliff was never intended to be the guy who is counted on for scoring.

Offensive ideology

Break out your protractors folks, because the 2010-2011 Lakers are going to All Triangle, all the time.  In years past, for better or worse, the Lakers have always had two styles of play:  the triangle-predominant methodical approach of the starters, and the helter-skelter up-tempo approach of the bench.  Now, for the first time in Phil Jackson's 2nd go round with this team, he has a roster built specifically with his offense of choice in mind.  Every player on the team fits the bill as a Triangle player, so there is no need for adaptation of personnel to playing style, or vice versa.

I won't spend much time talking about the Triangle, as this sucker is long enough already, but I will say that the offense is predicated on two key factors: spacing and ball movement.  The Lakers struggled with both of these factors last year, and while the bench were the main culprits, the starters certainly had problems of their own.  Spacing is a function of being in the right place and knocking down shots when presented with them.  The Lakers do just fine with the first bit, but that 2nd part they struggled with.  Bryant, Artest, and Fisher all shot below their career average from distance last year, and there is hope of a bounceback with all three.  If they all outperform last year's debacle, this team's offensive potency increases tenfold.

Ball movement is another matter entirely, because ball movement is almost entirely a function of proper thinking.  No matter how good the Lakers spacing is, they still have to actually knock down open shots to preserve it, but with ball movement, the execution of a pass is a far smaller portion of the overall equation, with the willingness to move the ball being the vast majority of the issue.  We've already discussed the bench ad nauseum, but the starters had their fair share of issues as well.  The ball tended to stick in the hands of Ron Artest (because he didn't know right away where to go next), Kobe Bryant (because he's Kobe), and Derek Fisher (because he wanted to dig the hole even deeper so his postseason emergence from the hole would look even more heroic).  For those of you not paying attention, that's the whole perimeter, which often deprived our prize bigs from touching the ball as often as they should.  Repeat preseason disclaimers, but so far it is abundantly clear that ball movement has been addressed by the coaching staff.  The passing has been sloppy, but the effort has been there all preseason.  As I've said before, so far, overpassing, and not underpassing, has been the norm.

Best Offensive Lineup

Blake - Bryant - Artest - Odom - Gasol

Odom and Gasol are the two bigs who work the best together on offense, as Odom does a tremendous job of finding lanes to cut to the basket, and Gasol has the vision to spot him on those cuts.  This lineup also works very well because both Gasol and Odom are capable of operating outside, which allows Kobe to post up from 10-15 feet, a position in which he's extremely effective.  Barnes fits the Triangle mold better than Artest, but Artest is a more consistent outside shooter, and has looked extremely comfortable within the offense as compared to last year's version.  Blake is included over Fisher simply because he's a more consistent outside threat.  The postseason lineup obviously has Fisher as a member.

 

The offseason changes made by the front office had offense in mind much more so than defense, and rightfully so.  Considering their talent, the offense (in the regular season at least) was just short of embarassing.  There is no way a team as good as the Lakers should have been just above average in the league.  Now, with both the personnel and (apparently) the mentality to perform better, the offense should be much improved.  A lot of the Lakers potential on offense hinges on return of outside shooting touch for the starting perimeter players.  If the team can re-discover the outside touch (they ranked 24th overall last season), it will provide them the necessary space to make the Triangle lethal again.

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he and Caracter will be playing in the D-League for some time since they wont get significant minutes right now on this team, especially since they are rooks.

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by shaqfor3 on Oct 18, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And which team do you think they're going to play for?

LA doesn’t have one right now. I doubt they’re going anywhere. As long as Bynum is out, we need Caracter to play behind Pau and Ratliff. He can even spell LO.

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by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops.

Just a thought.

Move the D-Fenders to Orange County. lol :)

Queensbridge.
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by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, gonna smack you.

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"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

somebody in SACktown makin fun of OC?

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 18, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Hey, I was born and raised in Orange County myself.

It’s just a joke between SCG and myself. Has to do with twitter lol

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Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

didnt detect me sarcasm? lol

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 18, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I did. SACktown lol

but I had to lay down some troof

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, we're affiliated with the Bakersfield Jam for this season

So we can still send people down to the D-League. Ebanks will get a lot of burn down there, and Caracter will as soon as Bynum gets healthy.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 18, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can you only send rookies down?

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"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a certain cut-off point I believe

After a certain number of years in the league, although I don’t remember where they draw the line.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 18, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bakersfield?

Nothing good ever happens in Bakersfield.

Doesn’t Dex have a hatred towards Bakersfield?

“It’s BAKERSFIELD!!” he’ll say.

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ben Johnson "the Butcher of Bakerfield"

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 18, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He should it will be good for him

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Oct 18, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fine why?

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Oct 18, 2010 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love this article!

Helped me relive some of the best moments of the season. Awesome stuff, Chris!

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I won’t spend much time talking about the Triangle, as this sucker is long enough already

Psh, Josh can write this much in his sleep…

Nonetheless, great stuff!

"If you're afraid to fail, you're probably going to. You know, Fuck it."
-Kobe Bean Bryant

by Mike1204 on Oct 18, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

lol.

true

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by bernel on Oct 18, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

(…..the entire postseason, and 15-20 from 3 in the pivotal 4 game annihilation of the prime contender San Antonio Spurs)

am I reading this wrong? Or are you saying that Fisher made 15 three pointers in one game?

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Oct 18, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions  

i think he meant in the 4 game series.

atleast thats how i read it.

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 18, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

But then it wouldn't be "pivotal"

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by LakerAce on Oct 18, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

It was the series I was talking about

and it was pivotal for the playoff run in general.

The East was so weak that year that everyone knew the WCF was really the Finals. So the most important series was the one against the Spurs

by C.A. Clark on Oct 18, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

nevermind....

I read 4 game as “game 4”. That’s why I started with “am I reading this wrong”. Typical.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Oct 18, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

"4 game" would be written as "four-game"

Anywhere other than the internet, in order to prevent reader confusion.

by The Dude Abides on Oct 18, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

I think it’s more for the sake of propriety. “4-game” and “Game 4” don’t seem any more confusion-prone than “four-game” and “Game four”…

To wit, if it was a pivotal series that lasted 14 games, instead of four, you would write that it was a “pivotal 14-game annihilation,” even in the most proper and non-internet forms of writing — making it clear that the rule is not there for the sake of preventing confusion, but more for the sake of… well, for its own sake. Because it’s proper English. It is a product of prescriptive grammar.

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by Josh Tucker on Oct 19, 2010 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL the teach comes in for a grammer update! nice to see u Mr. Josh Tucker!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

he seems to always pop up for grammar lessons.

and dont let him see how you spelled grammar………

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL he is used to my MANly mistakes grammer or grammar.....

Mr. Josh Tucker understands I just type and dont care. Waht he does not know is that i was a spelling B champ at my elementary schools for like 6 years when i was a kid! HA!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 19, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

all hail sarge!

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"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant

kobe bryant=batman

by bernel on Oct 21, 2010 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!

"How YOU doin?" ---> bluexfalcon

In regards to Derek Fisher "Even I was begging to lay the old dog down."
---> Wondahbap

"Sticking up for a guy who played harder in a preseason game than he did in the entire second round of the playoffs." ----> Marty Mart

by Sarge Clemins on Oct 22, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

fisher went 6-7 from 3 (11-13 overall) in that game and 15-20 from 3 in the 4 game sweep.

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by punty mcbunty on Oct 18, 2010 4:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Vlad Rad

I clearly remember Vlad being a starter. I remember not being able to explain why he was starting.

by heinzketchup on Oct 18, 2010 4:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Made things more interesting

What is the nature of your thoughts, gentlemen, when you say "fuddle duddle" or something like that?

by RudeMood19 on Oct 18, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

By leading to more fan heart attacks

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Oct 18, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bench that season consisted of Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Luke Walton/Vlad Radmonivic, Ronny Turiaf, and Andrew Bynum.

Radmanovic started, he wasnt part of the bench mob.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 18, 2010 5:09 PM PDT reply actions  

lol ya, luke hasnt been a starter since the dark days…. shudders

by robi s on Oct 18, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's the same with Bynum now.

He’s a starter, but plays extensive minutes with the bench.

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by LakerAce on Oct 18, 2010 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, but hes still a starter.

Phil never ONLY plays 5 bench guys(not yet at least), he always mixes them in. This year might be different because were so much deeper, but its always been 2 starters with 3 bench guys, or 3 starters with 2 bench guys, etc.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 18, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still think it'll be a good mix of "starters" with the bench this year.

While we’re deeper with Barns and Blake (and Theo), they’re still new to the offense. One of either Fish, Kobe, Lamar, or Pau needs to be on the floor at all times (unless Luke is healthy enough to play). Hopefully at least two of them together.

by Nostance on Oct 18, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Radmonovic often ran with the rest of the Bench Mob, hence his inclusion

More than any other starter, he was part of the group that formed the “non-Triangle” bench mob mentality

And for what it’s worth, 2007-2008 stats.

Vlad: 65 games played, 41 starts
Luke: 74 games played, 31 starts

I’d say the slash was justified

by C.A. Clark on Oct 18, 2010 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game. - Charlie Wilson

by Marty Mart on Oct 18, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hi Dr. Nick!

"Pluto’s not even a planet no more, which I’m very disturbed about. I grew up when Pluto was a planet. Now, I’m 25, I turn around and Pluto’s no longer a planet. I’m going to elbow that guy in the nose." -Ron Artest

by shaqfor3 on Oct 18, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey!

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm good, darlin'. How are you?

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Happy for you!

The best part about my Monday is that it’s almost Tuesday—YAY!!!

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haha. Yea, it's almost over.

Tuesday should be a little better.

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have seen two preseason games live

and obviously those players that are new to the Triangle are having a tough time. Im not worried. Artest had a difficult time but he came through in the Finals. We just have to be patient. The Triangle is like a new language. By the playoffs all the new new players will be fluent in it.

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Oct 18, 2010 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

well said

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http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Oct 18, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

BrittneyM, if you're reading this,

things will get better

I'm a diehard Cavs fan, proud to say I never owned a LeBron jersey.
Seattle Storm: 2010 WNBA Champions!
2010 Finals MVP: Lauren Jackson!
God bless Sue Bird, who is 10x classier, 100x more persevering, and A THOUSAND TIMES more clutch than LeBron could ever hope to be.

by WaveOcean on Oct 18, 2010 8:04 PM PDT reply actions  

umm thanks I guess

what happened? You watching the Yankees suck too

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Oct 18, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh. booourns baseball.

step aside, 8 days to go.

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah bring out the BBalls

but hopefully Yankees make a comeback

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Oct 18, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

great stuff..

this is funny and sooooooooo right..
“the Bench Mob never stopped trying to be the Bench Mob”

"You had me at hello world"... -- hahahahahaha first programmer pick up line i've heard!

by crushmybones on Oct 18, 2010 8:26 PM PDT reply actions  

lmao

<3 the sig

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha i thought so too...

when i heard it.. i couldn’t stop laughing.

"You had me at hello world"... -- hahahahahaha first programmer pick up line i've heard!

by crushmybones on Oct 19, 2010 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

:D

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 19, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

new doc funks!!



Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 8:42 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

LOL

"Hardwork beats talent when talent fails to work hard"-Norm Nixon

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be committed against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the Limelight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Oct 18, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

ha!

the top one and the bottom one both have kind of a Halloween theme if you think about it, huh? (the top one ’cause a top hat is a common item for a costume (think the Mad Hatter, perhaps) and well, the bottom because of “EEK”, I saw a spooky spider, or something?)

Or maybe it’s just me ‘cause I’m obsessed with Halloween and can’t wait for it?

by BigSkyCat on Oct 18, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

heh

family going to la for halloween party

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by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

We are having a big party at my house.

I’ve been out buying decorations, buying all the food, going to the liquor store for all the bar items (yes, we are having a “bourbon bar”) and getting everything ready for our costumes for weeks (we are doing an Alice In Wonderland theme this year). I can’t wait; it’s going to be so much fun. My husband wants to rig up a snake or a big spider or something equally as creepy (he’s an engineer, so this actually might be possible) so it come out of the bushes just as you enter our porch (I’m not a big fan of this one, but he wants to get involved so I’m not totally pooh-poohing the idea) and of course get a fog machine for effect. Should be a great time. Do y’all dress up? I don’t suppose you can’t actually be a Laker for Halloween, though, can you, how would that work, exactly?

by BigSkyCat on Oct 18, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don't know if there is a theme

but dad is going as Torquemada ala history of the world part 1, mom’s got a wig already, sister is a witch.
I do know that being russian, they already have all the requisite drinks stocked though :P

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by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

is that "sister is a witch"

or “sister is going as a witch”? ha ha ha…

And yes, I’m sure that by being Russian you will have all kinds of vodka drinks at your disposal. So fun! (I’m Dutch by nationality so I drink everything!!! : ))

by BigSkyCat on Oct 18, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

one type of vodka

but many variations of drinks. My dad is usually the barman at these parties. At home, I pick grapefruit from our tree, juice them, and he mixes them into martini’s.

she is going as a witch. No idea for my costume… i’m thinking college student?

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by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, college student?

I’m sure we can do better? Lemme think about it…

You could get yourself a fake gray beard, some glasses, some black sandals with white socks, 11 rings and go as Phil Jackson? : )

(just trying to keep it somewhat on blog-topic here, I’m sure we can think of something better and perhaps sexier for you??)

by BigSkyCat on Oct 18, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Nice suggestion.

And don’t worry about going “off topic.” No one will mind.

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol, got about half that, need some rings, and beard...

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm waiting for my invite to the party. :)

And I’ve been to a couple of Halloween parties myself. I did the very easy soccer player costume last year lol. I think the year before that I dressed up with my then gf as an aerobics 80s couple. Cliche 80sclothes with neon colors and all that. It was hilarious.

Anyways, anyone else?

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have never dressed up since I have been about 10 (35 now) but I think this time I might dress up as Vic The Brick.

"That means no more coming into camp fat and out of shape, when your team is relying on your leadership on and off the court. It also means no more blaming others for our team's failure, or blaming staff members for not overdramatizing your injuries so that you avoid blame for your lack of conditioning. " Kobe on Shaq being a leader

by Jelly Bean on Oct 18, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

go for it!!!

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, that would be great!

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I love Halloween.

Scare kids Enjoy the candy.

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last one's the funniest

It's Kobe's world, but Lebron's just living in it. -- Czheck
http://twitter.com/smart_guy24

by smart_guy on Oct 18, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol docfunk links to some new espn copycats in his post

scroll down to the george karl pic. Zing!

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/86524/about-last-night-pictures-from-thursday-october-14th

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those John Wall shoes are fugly.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

yep, and docfunk had the better caption :P

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Always. Dude's a genius.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is.

When are you taking him to the Lakers game? :)

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 18, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

prolly when she moves to virginia and they go watch a wizards-lakers game

or vice versa

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's gotta check his schedule and let me know.

If it works out, it’ll be fun!

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 18, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL, from doc's twitter
Major props to the guy in our section who yells “Baby Jesus” each time Adam Morrison does anything positive. #Wizards

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

The rumors are true.

AMMO’s followers are everywhere and have infiltrated every major fanbase.

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

AMMO's stache + Shaw's power = 2 Titles

by LakerAce on Oct 18, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

no one can resist AMMO.

"You had me at hello world"... -- hahahahahaha first programmer pick up line i've heard!

by crushmybones on Oct 19, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

lmao

rec’d

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Powell was the Hawk's leading scorer today...

LOL

"If you have a debate with a scholar, you can win. If you have a debate with an ignorant person, you will definitely lose."

"The NBA Apocalypse has occurred, and it's our fault."- C.A. Clark

AMMO's stache + Shaw's power = 2 Titles

by LakerAce on Oct 18, 2010 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

as expected

by now lol!

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 18, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

this is funny!

even jameers mouth seems to be saying shire…

"You had me at hello world"... -- hahahahahaha first programmer pick up line i've heard!

by crushmybones on Oct 19, 2010 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speechless.

I’m telling you man, the fame didn’t get to this head and even though he’s a monster, he still has that lovegame.

Queensbridge.
Sweet 16

by bluexfalcon on Oct 19, 2010 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, that's from the Ocrober '10 issue of Los Angeles Confidential.

Yes, I spelled October incorrectly, on purpose this time.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure there are two new rules on SS&R:

1. morning has to be spelled “monring”

and

2. October has to be spelled “Ocrober”

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I second this motion!

Smartass.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

i got them

you just didn’t give me any time to come online…

^is it a good thing or a bad thing that i got them?

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Oct 19, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

i got em

"What we want to remember—what we will remember—is the indelible vision of Kobe, his arms outstretched, delirious with joy and disbelief, running after and grabbing hold of Lamar Odom’s floating downcourt pass, while all the purple and gold streamers in the world are raining down on the hardwood." - Brian Tung

by LakersFoEva on Oct 19, 2010 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

ohohohohohohhoho

so clevar.

3 Heat can't stop the 3peat.

by LAL32 on Oct 19, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

thnx for posting this article.

Im sure he gets tired about being asked about Lebron.

by Wade's Lapdog on Oct 19, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

"Love me or hate me; it's one or the other. Always has been. Hate my game, my swagger. Hate my fade-away, my hunger. Hate that I'm a veteran. A champion. Hate that. Hate it with all your heart. And hate that I'm loved for the exact same reasons." - Kobe Bryant

by Beko on Oct 19, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

RYOTA!

Visit The Bernel Zone

"No one wins forever. Only thing that matters is how you face it when the cards don't come up your way. I'm not afraid." - Spider-Man (Amazing Spider-Man #475)

"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world." - C.S. Lewis

"These young guys are playing checkers. I'm out there playing chess." - Kobe Bryant

kobe bryant=batman

by bernel on Oct 21, 2010 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brilliant

Especially the first half, its reasoning and conclusions.

"Can't we boycott [talking about LeBron] till sometime in say...April?" --Joshua S
"If we do that we'd only be talking about him for like 2-3 weeks." --LakerAce
"He'll be making mental notes of who's not talking about him during the season, and I mean everyone." --SoCalGal

"Henceforth all rings shall be asked how many Kobes they have." --noontide

by Josh Tucker on Oct 19, 2010 3:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Hi.

"There are no "Kobe Lovers", just people who are right." - Gil Meriken
"ANY ONE WNAT SOME OF THIS MONEY, IN IF YOU WANT SOME COME ON IN GET SOME" - the Legendary LEWIS MONROE

by SoCalGal on Oct 19, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

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