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Laker Losing Streak Reaches Single Digit

As a matter of policy, I choose not to blame refs when my team loses. That sort of thing is for amateurs. I'd be remiss, however, if I didn't begin our review of the Los Angeles Lakers107-98 loss to the Portland Trail Blazers tonight by noting the differing frequencies with which the two teams went to the free-throw line. For every 10 field-goal attempts the Lakers took, they generated about one free-throw attempt. For every 10 Portland field-goal attempts, they shot six free throw attempts.

You might go the rest of your life without seeing a disparity that big in an NBA game.

Star-divide

Whether you think the refs unduly favored Portland tonight - or, alternatively, you think they whistled the game just fine - is perfectly correlated with which team you were rooting for. I won't try to change your mind one way or the other. My great hope, though, is that anyone about to post a "Lakers get all the calls!" screed on our comment boards will first pause, think about this game, delete what they've written and then type something more intelligent.

Moving from metacommentary back to actual hoops, tonight's game was an unsightly one for the Lake Show. Yeah, yeah, nine straight in the Rose Garden, I get it. But you know what? They played just as badly two nights ago at Staples against the Clips. Worse, even, when you account for location and opponent. It's not some Oregonian curse. The Lakers really do have a few problems at the moment.

One is health. As we saw only too vividly this evening, Kobe Bryant's injured finger continues to bother him. It's impairing both his handle and shooting touch: he scored 32 points tonight but on an ugly 41% True Shooting Percentage and with five turnovers. Pau Gasol's continued absence isn't doing the offense any favors, either.

I've already heard people complain that the Lakers took 28 three-point shots tonight. That actually isn't the problem, for a couple reasons. First, as a percentage of their total field-goal attempts, it isn't that far off from their normal rate. Also, they made almost 40% of their threes. To the extent the offense sputtered at times - and it was, on the whole, a good night for the O - it's because the Lakers converted only 45% of their two-point shots. If anything, they'd have been better off shooting even more threes. 

This one was lost at the free-throw line, talked about above and no doubt further in the comments, and on defense. The Blazers ripped apart the Laker D, which no longer much resembles the unit that led the league for most of this season. Our guys failed to disrupt passing lanes and mark Portland shooters. Part of it was great shooting by the Blazers, but L.A. did little to make their lives difficult.

The Lakers are now 28-8. In the loss column they're two ahead of Cleveland, which fell tonight in Denver. Next up is Milwaukee back at Staples on Sunday night.

 

Poss.

TO%

FTA/
FGA

FT%

EFG%

TS%

Off Reb%

Def Reb%

PPP

Lakers

84

10

0.11

50

49

49

35

74

1.17

Blazers 

83

10

0.57

82

54

62

26

65

1.29

Please note: The commenting rules announced for our game thread apply to this postgame discussion as well.

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do you think they buried a larry bird jersey under the rose garden??

perhaps??

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 8, 2010 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

1434 comments on the game thread

damn that has to be some kinda record here.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 8, 2010 11:12 PM PST reply actions  

For a while there

it looked like a Blazers site.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 8, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like I didn't miss much.

I was held up by my decision to go to swimming and water polo practice.

Stu Lantz – For not being Hot Rod Hundley. Grade: A Motherfucking Superplus +.

by gen!e on Jan 8, 2010 11:19 PM PST reply actions  

Its a general rule of basketball

One team was taking it to the rim, one team was standing around shooting outside jumpers. No consipracy there. The aggressive team will almost always get the calls.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Jan 8, 2010 11:33 PM PST reply actions  

And yet

Somehow people forget that point when the Lakers are the team shooting more free throws.

by DexterFishmore on Jan 8, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I think ignore would be a better word than forget.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jan 8, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

what's up man

where have you been?

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 8, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I was literally just writing that.

Yeah, the Lakers didn’t really take it to the rim until midway through the fourth.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jan 8, 2010 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

and they still only shot 10 free throws. Portland fans act as if the only thing the Lakers did was take jumpers when in actuality they did get to the paint and the calls didn’t go their way. Convenient to justify it only when your team gets the benefit of the whistle.

by intuitive on Jan 9, 2010 3:01 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

i saw they werent getting anything called in the paint
like one time bynum drove into the paint and got struck across by Juwan howard. no call
so they fell in love with the jumpshots which made things worse and caused that offensive drought between the 3rd and 4th quarters…

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 9, 2010 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, this is true

However, I would argue that the Lakers, whilst not equally aggressive, were certainly aggressive enough to warrent fouls being called for them.

This wasn’t lost by the officials though, the Lakers have been playing some pretty tepid defense lately. and both Kobe and Bynum were missing makeable shots all night

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 8, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Agression is one thing, bail outs are another

Brandon Roy steps on Andrew’s foot, both he and Andrew fall. Shooting foul for Roy? That should have been a travel, but I think the refs sometimes get wrapped up in the game. Kobe gets swatted in the head on a drive, no call. The refs don’t like Kobe because he bitches so much. This is why I believe most of what Donaghy said was true. Some refs don’t like certain players and they will not make the appropriate calls. Mike Smith calls some of the worst Laker games since Darrell Garretson.

"Failing to plan is planning to fail."

by Busboys4me on Jan 9, 2010 1:30 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true

But I just watched the game on TIVO again and there were probably 2-3 bailout calls in the game. Thats not enough for the disparity seen. The Lakers just took a ton of jump shots and Bynum couldnt do anything against Juwan Howard (???). Either that or the Lakers didnt want Bynum involved. Either way, every posession for the Lake show was either Kobe, Fisher, Artest, or Shanwow taking a contested jumper or Odom doing something good.

the most suprising thing to me ( a blazer fan) was that we werent beasted more on the boards. Bynum must have had 2-3 inches on every person guarding him, yet he only had a few put-backs. Odom has been killing it lately, but it seems like the didnt go to him very much.

Ball handling and dribbling are my strongest weaknesses."—David Thompson

by Benson on Jan 9, 2010 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

one could argue this point

kobe was quite aggresive in the lane, as well as bynum, and got no calls.

by rshinsec on Jan 9, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Dexter

Your prediction in the blog “how every lake game will be this month” is off to 0 and 1. any comments on that?

by hrghori on Jan 8, 2010 11:37 PM PST reply actions  

I have a comment

zzzzzzzzzzzz

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 8, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

My comment is

that I will definitely go undefeated the rest of the month. Book it!

by DexterFishmore on Jan 8, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

ok

but imma rub in your face if your wrong…and also give you props if your right

by hrghori on Jan 8, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

ugh

Please don’t do either, and realize the blog post is entertainment and try to be entertained

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 9, 2010 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s a shame the Blazers can’t play with this kind of passion and energy in the playoffs.

by Jesse S. on Jan 8, 2010 11:39 PM PST reply actions  

considering we've been to the playoffs once in recent memory

that’s kind of a harsh statement. They played hard last year, they just weren’t ready for that stage.

The Jail Blazers of the early part of this decade was a different story. Its apples and oranges.

--Dave
Addicted to Quack, SBN's Oregon Ducks blog

by David Piper on Jan 8, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

37 shots?!

with a team as talented as the Lakers, no reason Kobe needs to huck up 37 shots. Geez. I wish he distributed more, especially with some of the other guys hitting 3s.

by BigSnyan on Jan 8, 2010 11:41 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, but if he makes 20 of them....

and the Lakers win, no one makes this comment. Say that when he scores 62 points on 37 shots and then I will give you props for that statement.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jan 8, 2010 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

No matter what Kobe does he can’t win. That is even magnified more when the Lakers loose. Either way, if we are going to question where Kobe’s shot was at then we have to question where the rest of the team’s defense was at.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 8, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

If Kobe scores 62 on 37 shots he gets props

Problem is… he doesn’t score 62 that often on 62 shots.

Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.

by Zaig on Jan 9, 2010 5:43 AM PST up reply actions  

spot on

But to a certain extent, it was on Kobe tonight to realize that he wasn’t going to make 20 of them and adjust accordingly

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 8, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

How would he know how many he's going to make?

Even if he starts out 0-10 he should keep taking the shots that he normally takes.

By the way, the Lakers are now 12-4 when Kobe takes 25 or more shots.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 8, 2010 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting stat...

…he has shot very efficiently this year till this recent stretch.

by BigSnyan on Jan 8, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not about the specific number

some nights shots just don’t fall, or you just don’t get the calls.

whatever, it happens right?

I don’t think Kobe was wrong to continue shooting though. Normally in this situation, I would expect him to try to set up Pau more of to get Andrew some easier looks, but Pau is obviously not playing and Bynum was rushing and missing shots left and right as well.

In my estimation, Kobe made the best call considering the alternatives.

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 8, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Thank you!

I agree whole-heartedly.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 8, 2010 11:58 PM PST up reply actions  

That is exactly my point(s)

everything you said.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry to steal your

thunder.

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

beer doesn’t let me think coherently.

GO HEFEWEIZEN! with lime!

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Hate to tell you this but...

…the best hefeweizen (not counting the German-brewed) comes from Portland

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jan 9, 2010 3:28 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's cool

my liver won’t know the difference. I love beer no matter where they come from… : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Word

Actually, they make some pretty damn good beer up here… one reason people love coming to Portland…. at least, the ones who don’t get paid to wear purple and gold anyways ;)

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jan 9, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Dam really?

probably won’t ever go to Portland but if I do I’m hitting up the first bar fo sho!

Speakinf of purple and gold…I would defenitely wear it proudly. : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I understand...

…I’d just rather see the shots distributed a bit more, even when we’re down. It started to look like 1-on-5 for stretches these last 2 losses.

But, if he makes them, we don’t have this convo ;)

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

What was more dissapointing to me...

…was the team’s inability to close the 3rd and 4th quarters strong defensively.

those 3-5 minutes would have let us salvage a still pretty piss-poor game.

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

it will always come down to defense.

The stats more than prove how they ran circles around the Lakers’ defense.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:07 AM PST up reply actions  

What has happened?

Opponents passing lanes are wide open all over the place recently.

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

With the exception of Dallas

LA has been giving up 25 plus points in the first quarter lately. It’s not pretty. That’s your reason for losing right there.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 9, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

It was just generally bad though

I mean, against the clippers, you could point to Fisher’s inability to even bring the ball up the court against Baron and his inability to guard him either in the 1st quarter as one of the reasons we got into the early hole.

I guess there was Bayless’ four almost-3pointer-2’s that could have given them an even bigger lead.

whoever was guarding Bayless initially did a pretty poor job of communicating on defense

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree...

…it’s great for the team if he makes them. But he didn’t make them tonight. And you as the player need to adjust when they’re not falling. I’m just analyzing tonight’s loss.

by BigSnyan on Jan 8, 2010 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Bigsnyan

I see the point. I think I am the wrong person to ask about this because I am huge Kobe fan. Although in the past, I have questioned his decision making because in games like todays’ he needs to let the offense start with Bynum and Gasol. But, when it’s all said and done I seriously cannot question a four time champion. That is just me.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I respect that...

…Though I prefer the offense run through the post (higher % shots), not many other players could shoot 48% while taking 23 shots a game like Kobe does. I’ll take that

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

FG attempts for Kobe

Are like pass attempts for a QB

When you see that a QB passed 40 or more times, it’s an indicator that they were behind in the game.

No one says, “the team should have passed less and run the ball”, because they understand the situation.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 8, 2010 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah...

…but there is 1 QB whereas there are 5 Lakers. Slightly different.

by BigSnyan on Jan 8, 2010 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Just as you see times that football team is not losing because they passed so much, they are passing because they were losing. There is a difference. Correlation does not equal causation.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 8, 2010 11:57 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah i understand the analogy...

…Kobe shoots more when we’re down. That’s our team. But just saying 1 QB passes, while 5 players shoot in b-ball. IMO, it’s not the best usage of our possessions.

I know correlation doesn’t = causation in respect to his FG attempts, but a large reason for the the loss was his FG% on those shots. That is causation. That’s our team though (not as much when Pau plays).

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow Portland scored 107 points on 86 possesions.

I’m no statistician, but it looked like Portland tore up LA’s defense.

by lalball81 on Jan 8, 2010 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

Actually

it would be just the 39 FT’s

Our 10 didn’t help them score at all

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

50.7% from the field

Had zero to do with it.

Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.

by Zaig on Jan 9, 2010 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Anyone who watched the game can offer their thoughts on these two questions of mine (unfortunately I wasn’t able to watch the game):

1. How did Artest do? Was he the primary defender for Roy?

2. What’s up with Bayless reaching the line 12 times?!

by Jesse S. on Jan 9, 2010 12:12 AM PST reply actions  

No clue on #1

but for #2, Bayless has a knack for getting to the line. Like salmon returning to the spot of their birth, Bayless goes to the line

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jan 9, 2010 3:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Here

1. Roy devoured Artest in the playoffs last year. The rest of the team just sucked.
2. Some intentional and silly fouls late in the game, some ref love, and some Bayless recklessly attacking the hoop.

Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.

by Zaig on Jan 9, 2010 5:47 AM PST up reply actions  

this FT thing

I could not watch the game,but 10 to 40 smells fishy,did Kobe not penetrate at all?I mean I am checking box scores,this is way huge discrepancy.If this is the case,Lakers no matter what cannot buy a win unless they shoot lights out in the coming games.
As for Kobe,I am 100% support him,he might be in a slump with all finger related issues but still has the fire.

by meeer1171 on Jan 9, 2010 12:12 AM PST reply actions  

I'm going to make an excuse but bear with me

Kobe has bad shooting nights.

But when Kobe is not swishing free throws, and just rolling them in, or outright missing them, he has an issue. He was 2-4 from the line today.

Maybe he should rest, but I know that he won’t.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 9, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

his first FT that he missed was short and to the side… reminded me of a Kwame Brown FT (that made it to the rim)

oddly, Luke is the answer to this, believe it or not.

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

LUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEE

the other night I was thinking the same thing watching him shoot around before Lakers-Clips.

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

one more thing

If this happens to Cleveland,all the nba media would go after it for weeks.

by meeer1171 on Jan 9, 2010 12:15 AM PST reply actions  

what do you mean?

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry to paraphrase,

Cleveland shoots 10 FT s in a loss.LeBron with only 4.Hollinger and Dwyer man would go crazy.

by meeer1171 on Jan 9, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd still maintain

that this game would be forgotten by the end of next week.

Cleveland wouldn’t get any more preferential treatment from the Media than the Lakers would, if that’s what you’re implying.

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

very true

can’t deny that.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 1:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Jonny = Smart

PAGFL = Biased.

The PF was only 24-15 in this game. Four of those were intentional fouls at the end. 20-15 isn’t that big of a difference.

Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.

by Zaig on Jan 9, 2010 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice to see you don't hold grudges.

Welcome back. : )

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

since this happened in January, nobody will care by the end of the month

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

or end of the weekend.

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

or by the time I finish my next beer

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

what were we talking about

i forget

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

huh?

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I think someone was saying how this win in January

is meaningless and we will all forget about it. Maybe i’m wrong but this loss makes the waiting time for the game an eternity.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions  

true

If we lose this next game, does it count as the first 3-game losing streak of the gasol era?

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:34 AM PST up reply actions  

well yes and no

yes because this is during the era we have pau on our team
and no because technically he wasnt playing in any of these games…

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 9, 2010 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

So...

on par with Barry Bond’s HR record?

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

More like Roger Maris

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 9, 2010 12:50 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

You guys should really rest Kobe

I mean, I know that Pau is injured and all but damn, the man’s finger is broke. He AIRBALLED a shot, and it really looked like it was bugging him. Has he been this off lately?

I mean, I admire the tenacity, but at some point don’t you need to say “Kobe, we got it, get better man”? I don’t think I have ever seen him shoot that poorly. Mind you, I don’t watch Laker games but…

Can you guys win without Kobe and Gasol?

"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez

by TheGreatMon on Jan 9, 2010 12:34 AM PST reply actions  

just the last couple of games

hes been off
definitely the heavy minutes are taking a toll
problem is when he goes to the bench our offense goes dead
no one really steps up
hopefully we get gasol soon so we dont have to keep him in the game so long…

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 9, 2010 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Fuck no! the Lakers can't win without both Kobe and Gasol.

That is good that you don’t watch Lakers games on a regular basis because then you would know that Kobe would kill anyone for even suggesting that. He hates to be asked about his injuries. Recently, against Sacramento, Phil asked the trainer Vitti, about Kobe right arm because Kobe lost feeling in it. Vitti’s response was that if he told Phil that Kobe was hurt that Kobe would break Vitti’s arm off. My point is that you can’t ask Kobe to rest. It just seems like an urealistic request and it will never happen.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

It's going to take some violence

To get Kobe to sit, though.

But I’m sure if Phil sees it necessary, he will use his considerable persuasive abilities to convince Kobe to rest, though I don’t know what kind of success he will have.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 9, 2010 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe Phil says,,,

“Kobe, MJ would have rested a little…”

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

no. Kobe wants to be better than MJ

I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter, that makes stairs. -The Office

by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Not gonna happen

Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.

by Zaig on Jan 9, 2010 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

He's been off the last few games

And seems to be trying to shoot his way out of it, which hasn’t exactly been a good thing. Honestly, I would do the Pop approach (“HCA be damned. I’d rather my players are 100%” ) and rest him, but our schedule is pretty brutal this month, so without Kobe, we’d lose quite a few. Our backcourt depth is positively nil (Farmar and Brown are mediocre with some good performances thrown in there, Fisher has been pretty terrible, and Vujacic has been near-useless for most games). If Gasol was coming back sooner, I’d definitely be up for resting Kobe, but that’s also up in the air.

If I’m Kupchak, I’m seriously looking at opportunities to spruce up the backcourt depth, as it’s killed the Lakers most of this season. Artest, Odom, and Bynum are probably enough to beat most .500 teams and worse, but anything better than that and it basically becomes a scrap battle, which the Lakers haven’t been particularly adept at.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 12:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

amen

I could be mistaken, but are you gunning for Hinrich scenario?

by altree on Jan 9, 2010 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily

But it’s one of many possible solutions. The end result needs to be a more consistent backcourt that’s capable of not completely collapsing when our star players are off, and currently, they really can’t do that. The problems to solving this are 1) our trade chips are limited 2) our willingness to take on salary is accordingly limited 3) the free agent market is very sparse right now. ‘06-’07 Hinrich would probably be enough to resolve a lot of those problems, but ‘08-’09 Hinrich is a pretty far cry from that. Now, ‘08-’09 Hinrich is an upgrade on every player in our backcourt not named Kobe, but it’s not a complete panacea, although it’s also reasonable to argue that no such thing exists.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

at any rate

we don’t want 09-10 Hinrich… he’s not doing too sharp at all

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Although as a starter

he’s starting to shoot the ball better, especially from downtown, and his assists are going up.

still. 09-10 Hinrich is dissapointing

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 1:27 AM PST up reply actions  

If Bayless can actually shoot the way he shot last night

I’d want him in an instant, but the word is his outside shooting is suspect.

If he can stroke it though, there are a few trades that might make sense

are we allowed to talk trades here?

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Bayless’ shooting has been very decent to good all year long, especially from 16-23 feet. He’s 32% from three, but the sample is still too small to really read into it.

Also, he is one of Pritchard’s favorites and will probably stay in Portland.

draft patrick patterson

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by Cablinasian on Jan 9, 2010 1:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Bayless isn't moving

If Pritchard wasn’t willing to give him up for Kirk Hinrich, I doubt he wants to trade him for whatever scraps the Lakers can offer.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 1:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, '09-'10 Hinrich, my bad

Too sleepy. In any case, take Hinrich’s current statistics with a grain of salt. He’s playing in a nonexistent offensive system; has to play off the ball because the Bulls’ other options there are awful; has to create his own offense most of the time because Chicago lacks a legitimate post threat and again, there’s no offensive system to help him; he has to guard the other team’s best perimeter threat because Rose is a massive defensive liability; and he was playing hurt for a good portion of the year. And even if you take these numbers as face value, he’d still be an upgrade on every member of our backcourt not named Kobe.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 1:40 AM PST up reply actions  

as a Blazer fan, Hinrich would absolutely terrify me in LA. He makes the Finals a formality. Just one more piece that pushes it over the top.

draft patrick patterson

#52 #10 #25 #88 #5 #2

by Cablinasian on Jan 9, 2010 1:46 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe

but it really solidifies the Lakers as a Veteran team + a young Bynum

which is great, and is what we mostly are, but the potential window for that team is lesser than that of a team with Farmar or Brown at the point

which is really the only drawback to the artest ariza swap that I can see

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 1:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, I'm not sure any of the current young players outside of Bynum is worth keeping

For the long-term. Farmar doesn’t mesh well with this system, Brown’s ceiling is frankly not that high, and Vujacic has been awful for the last year-and-a-half. Yes, losing Ariza hurts, but Artest has been a huge positive for this team in the short-run. It’s no accident this team went from a “good” defensive team to an “outstanding” defensive team with him taking Ariza’s place in the lineup.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 1:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

We won the title last year with arguably the worst point guard in the playoffs and probably one of the bottom five in the league (Fisher). Now, Fisher is probably the worst starting PG in the league. Hinrich would fill that hole quite nicely.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Indeed

Hinrich to the Lakers would be absolutely ridiculous. He’s not the best PG in the NBA, but he’s on a different level than Fish.

Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.

by Zaig on Jan 9, 2010 5:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought...

Hinrich WAS the best PG in the NBA? ;)

by BigSnyan on Jan 9, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't believe I ever said that :-)

Now if you compare him to a baseline of Fisher and… Fisher. Then yes, he is.

Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.

by Zaig on Jan 9, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Lakers are screwed for salary cap, there's no way Hinrich is in their future.

I just figured out Lakers already don’t have a 1st round draft pick this coming season either (it sits with Memphis, ugh), so it’s now or never, baby…

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by timbo on Jan 9, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

The ONE guy who might be movable is Bynum, but that would be a HUGE roll of the dice...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jan 9, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

even so

there’s the financials to consider.

although i do like his shrinking contract

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, that's the primary barrier

The common refrain I’ve been espousing is that 1) Buss has been money-conscious ever since Bynum signed his extension (selling/trading draft picks, low-balling Odom, not signing Ariza to the contract he wanted) 2) Buss has never shown an aversion to building a championship team when big financial commitments were required. Whichever of these factors wins out basically determines whether something like this would actually go down.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 1:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The Problem

with trading for Hinrich, is that it would require giving up more than just adam morrison and farmar just to make the deal work under the cao.

if we can convince the bulls that sasha can be their new ben gordan, then yeah i think we can work something out/// otherwise it looks like a tough sell

because we’re not going to trade fisher… right?

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 2:01 AM PST up reply actions  

The trade would probably be

Farmar/Vujacic/Morrison for Hinrich and Johnson. The big thing to consider here, however, is that Chicago intends to be a player in the 2010 market, and to have enough cap space to be able to give a free agent a max offer, they need to dump salary this year. Whether it’s Hinrich, Deng, or Salmons, one of those needs to come off their books. In this case, Farmar and Morrison both expire, and Vujacic’s contract is far lower than both Hinrich’s and Johnson’s.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

But how much better off would they actually be?

Hinrich plus Johnson in 10-11 : 10.7M
Farmar + Ammo + Sasha in 10-11 : 5.5-15M depending on qualifying offers for farmar + Ammo

point is, even if the Bulls didn’t extend offers to Farmar or Ammo, they’re only saving 5M off of the cap, which’ll put them at 32M, vs 37M

a difference, but not a huge one.

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 2:23 AM PST up reply actions  

And on the Laker's end

if the 3 for 2 deal goes down, they would have to sign someone else ASAP because they would be down to 12 men… aka, more money for Buss to shell out.

They’d be free to go after Rod Benson though, which would be fascinating.

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 2:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, filling the roster spot is always easy

You can sign a D-League player to a 10 day contract, or sign a vet (i.e. Stackhouse) to a minimum contract.

Although I do admit that having Benson on the team would be unbelievably awesome.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, Farmar and Morrison would definitely both be renounced

Morrison for obvious reasons and Farmar because he doesn’t fit in the franchise’s long-term plans. And yes, $5 million off the cap is huge — it’s the difference between a max offer and a not-so max offer, which is critical for any chance at the best free agents in the summer.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm probably in the minority but I would trade Morrison and Farmar for

James Johnson and John Salmons. Or Salmons for Morrison straight up.

by E-ROC on Jan 9, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind that either

Seeing how any backcourt help is pretty welcome at this juncture, but IMO, if Buss is going to take back money, he’s going to tell Kupchak to get Hinrich.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh, I don't think Toronto is in sell mode yet

And Calderon isn’t exactly a solution for our defensive woes at that position, although it would supercharge the offense, which probably would be enough to outweigh the former. Toronto’s record at the deadline will give us a better indication of where they want to go.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Calderon isn't bad defensively. He's kinda like Farmar defensively which is

keeping opposing PGs to slightly above league average offensively. I think Calderon can out-perform his average defense.

by E-ROC on Jan 9, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

He's been smoked by PGs pretty regularly

All year, although a lot of that could probably be attributed to his injury. That said, I agree that he’d probably be a better defensive player in a system that actually cares about the concept.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

And FWIW

If Fisher is included in any possible trade, I’d imagine the Lakers would expect the other team to buyout Fisher’s contract, and he’d resign with the Lakers in 30 days. I’d also expect that Fisher would take a discount to come back in any case.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 2:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

FWIW, i don’t think they would do it. and if they did, it would only be under those circumstances

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 2:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Not entirely true.....

The contract amounts are only $320+K off. Do you think that Hinrich would not adjust his contract to get under in order to get out of Chicago? He’s making $9.5 million, $320+K is a drop in the bucket. He is not in the same situation as Devin Brown in New Orleans who refused to give up $100K thus blocking a trade to Minnihaha because it was 10% of his salary (and yeah it was, well Minnesota).

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by Busboys4me on Jan 9, 2010 2:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Odd, the trade went through in ESPN's trade machine

Is there a kicker somewhere that it’s not accounting for?

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 9, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you

He is not playing the starters minutes he was playing before, he’s playing in a bad offensive system, and his minutes are down (not because of his performance, but personnel). Chicago wants to save money and $20 million could be saved by trading him for Farmar and Ammo.

"Failing to plan is planning to fail."

by Busboys4me on Jan 9, 2010 2:14 AM PST up reply actions  

trading him for just farmar and ammo doesnt work

under the cap, it has to be something else

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 2:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Not entirely true.....

The contract amounts are only $320+K off. Do you think that Hinrich would not adjust his contract to get under in order to get out of Chicago? He’s making $9.5 million, $320+K is a drop in the bucket. He is not in the same situation as Devin Brown in New Orleans who refused to give up $100K thus blocking a trade to Minnihaha because it was 10% of his salary (and yeah it was, well Minnesota).

"Failing to plan is planning to fail."

by Busboys4me on Jan 9, 2010 2:39 AM PST up reply actions  

So i guess it's theoretically possible

Even then though, the Lakers are taking back 2.2M more in salary, and they’d have to add another player to their roster to get back up to the 13 player minimum. even if they got a minimum player (about $500K) that’s adding 2.7M in base salary, 5.4M after lux taxes to this already crazy payroll.

I doubt Buss signs off on this one, even if it is theoretically possible.

and I read what you wrote up higher on the thread… we don’t need Tyrus Thomas… at all

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 3:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The only two point guards

that fit the triangle that would probably be available are

Kirk Hinrich

…and Baron Davis

I never thought i’d say that second one

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by Jonny Somers-Harris on Jan 9, 2010 3:18 AM PST up reply actions  

He has to do something

I can hear him saying so when do you stop spending, but I think even Dr. Buss sees that the Lakers need bench help. He is a poker player and he knows that it doesn’t make sense to lose out on a big pot with a winning hand trying to be cheap. $5.4 million is technically a 5% increase. In addition you get rid of a person who is stealing money (Ammo) and another who you are not going to pay for next year (Farmar). You have another young player locked up who might just be good enough to replace your long in the tooth point guard (saving another $5 million per year).

Tyrus Thomas is just a body. He is a beast and also a head job. He complains more than Kobe to refs. We already have a bad rep, but we need someone else who is physical like Ron Ron. We could have had him in the draft (Dejuan Blair) but we were trying to save money (smirk).

"Failing to plan is planning to fail."

by Busboys4me on Jan 9, 2010 3:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe the best break down I seen all night

Rec’d

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Good recap

Im a Blazer fan and I’m still confused how we won. I know people are pointing to the free-throws but I just watched the Game and it seemed like the Lakers took a crazy amount of jump shots.

The LA bench is definitely a problem, but its a completely different team when Pau is playing and Odom comes off the bench.

And whats up with Bynum? At least he is playing (Oden…..ugh) , but man he should have destroyed our front line tonight. If Oden was healthy (a huge IF) he would destroy Juwan Howard or anybody that isnt within 25 pounds or 3 inches of him. It also seems that the Lakers just didnt want to do work in the paint. very odd

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by Benson on Jan 9, 2010 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The Lakers made more field goals and 3’s then the Trail Blazers. The free throws were the difference.

by intuitive on Jan 9, 2010 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

The Ghost of Scottie Pippen Past lives on!!!

Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 9, 2010 1:14 AM PST reply actions  

lol

I remember you posting that earlier.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I said the Lakers wouldn't be able to beat the Blazers

even if the Blazers are “injury-depleted”

Losing in the Rose Garden is just an unfortunate truth right now :(

Just like losing to the Bobcats lol

It’s inexplicable (besides the usual matchup issues, motivation issues, road game issues, hostile environment issues, etc), so I blame Scottie Pippen’s ghost :)

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Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.

by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 9, 2010 2:01 AM PST up reply actions  

All sadly true

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 9, 2010 2:04 AM PST up reply actions  

They just have our number

We are going to have to solve this before the playoffs hit. Some teams give the Lakers problems, some arenas give us problems. Portland does both. This is dangerous. OKC will be there one day soon and Sacramento is re-igniting those old flames. Good times and great fights ahead.

"Failing to plan is planning to fail."

by Busboys4me on Jan 9, 2010 2:45 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that just yet

Unless you mean in Portland.

Now if we come down there and whoop you guys in your house, then you can say we have your number.

Until then, well, it’s always been a home-and-home series!

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jan 9, 2010 3:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that just yet

Unless you mean in Portland.

Now if we come down there and whoop you guys in your house, then you can say we have your number.

Until then, well, it’s always been a home-and-home series!

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jan 9, 2010 3:37 AM PST up reply actions  

haha

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 9, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I just think Kobe should stop taking so many shots…there are other people on the team that can shoot and should shoot more like Odom and even Artest. 37 shots is okay when he had Kwame and Smush as his 3rd and 4th best player…not with this year’s squad.

by Fan of the Game on Jan 9, 2010 2:25 AM PST reply actions  

there are worse things in life than losing 2 games in a row

for some reason i think the lakers will be ok. jus wait till that 7 ft guy comes back

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by Czheck on Jan 9, 2010 6:36 AM PST reply actions  

Lakers gotta stop whining about calls...or lack thereof

The disparity was TERRIBLE!!! But, when everyone on the team starts complaining to the refs it always seems to have the opposite effect:
1. Team gets distracted
2. Refs get annoyed
3. We get even fewer calls

This is an area where we need PJ’s leadership on the bench and Kobe’s leadership on the floor. JUST PLAY THROUGH IT! Kobe can certainly do better here. If his purpose in getting on the refs is to influence them, ITS NOT WORKING, change the strategy. If he does it cause hes pissed, he’s gotta exert more self control, the team follows his lead.

I’d love to see just ONE GAME where we take our frustrations out on the floor, not on the refs.

by chbooth_66 on Jan 9, 2010 8:38 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I'm more concerned that the Lakers lost to the Blazers

And they’re down so many of their key players. That’s really a statement to their toughness, and the other guys they have on the floor.

by 99bc99 on Jan 9, 2010 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

"The Blazers ripped apart the Laker D"

This accounts for the free throw issues. Portland has three guards who like to drive and get to the line – Roy, Bayless and Miller. These three accounted for 70 points and a lot of trips to the line. Blame the refs all you want, but the aggressive play of these three and the lack of D were the real reasons.

As a Blazer fan, I kept wondering why the ball wasn’t going to Odom, Bynum or even Artest in the block? Portland is so thin and small inside….what gives?

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by Tiparillo on Jan 9, 2010 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

they were going into the paint

but they were getting hammered
so they stopped going into the paint and settled with jumpshots which only made things worse especially in that stretch between the 3rd and 4th quarters…
and yes the blazers and roy picked apart our D
i remember one play we seemingly caught a break on a missed shot but Martell Webster got the rebound and drove in for the layup.
good win for the blazers

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 9, 2010 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Good question

Not sure I have an answer really. Aggressive guards have given the Lakers a hard time for a while now.

I’m not going to talk about the calls,doesn’t seem necessary.

I’ve seen the Lakers go from post play to shooting jumpers a few times this season. It usually ends badly.

by 99bc99 on Jan 9, 2010 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Lakers fuckn suck

sorry but its true. They’ve sucked ballz since that Christmas game where we got straight up punked and didnt do nothing about it. Yeah we beat Dallas, but they were on the second of a back-to-back and just missed alot of open shots. We have THE WORST BENCH IN THE LEAGE. I mean, they arent even just inconsistent anymore, they just flat out suck. Its crazy cuz we have basically the same team as last year but we look nowhere near as good as that team. We never got blown out last year like we do this year. Is it cuz of injuries? Maybe, but even when we were healthy (like against Cleveland) we still got our asses beat. Right now, I’d say that Portland is a better team than us which is pathetic. But hey, they actually have a bench and can survive injuries unlike us. I’m sure the front office would go out and get help if they could but they inked up so many bad contracts over the past few years that is virtually impossible to do anything unless its a salary dump. Maybe I’m panicking too much but we dont look like a championship team and havent all season long.

by desecrator09 on Jan 9, 2010 12:33 PM PST reply actions  

you really think we'd beat a healthy Boston team right now? or even the Cavs?

HELL NO!!! We’d prolly get punked even more than we did in 08. Hate to say it, but we’re prolly gonna have a below .500 record for this month. Look at the games we got coming up!! With Kobe only playin with 3 healthy fingers and his 31-year-old legs starting to give in, we gonna have to rely on Andrew Bynum (LMFAO) and Lamar Odumb to carry us. THis is gonna get ugly Laker Nation. Brace yourselves.

by desecrator09 on Jan 9, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

loolll

classic panicer…

HAHAAH

by matthewmafa on Jan 9, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

tell me what i said that isnt true to you then

ANd I aint the only one concerned in Laker Nation. And that big writtting is lame as fuck.

by desecrator09 on Jan 9, 2010 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

so what if I'm panicing anyways??

Now is a perfect time to panic when our 2 superstars are breaking down when its only January and nobody else has the balls (or maybe just the talent) to step up for them. If that aint worth panicing over then you aint a true Laker fan and your a blind fuck in my eyes (no offense)

by desecrator09 on Jan 9, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

kobe had a bad game..

happens all the time.. hes gonna bounce back with 40 on 23 shots in the next game like he always does

by matthewmafa on Jan 9, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions  

??

this is nothing
just look at the crap the blazers have had to deal with in their season so far
our issues are pretty minor when compared to those teams
pau and kobes injuries should heal up soon
as for the bench i wouldnt be suprised if mitch made a signing before the trade deadline to address some weaknesses…
plus keep in mind we still have best record in the NBA and western conference.
just keep your head up.

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 9, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

.....

do you know that under .500 means they lose more games than they win right?

i mean, i have to assume you don’t understand how %’s work for you to say something that dumb…

by rshinsec on Jan 9, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

look, fool my point was that

that they’re gonna have a below .500 record for this month. So, yeah, I think they’ll lose more games than they’ll win.

by desecrator09 on Jan 10, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It's pretty clear that there are two critical components to the Lakers' success...

Mr. Kobe and Mr. Pau, both.

One can envision them getting to the Finals with those guys intact, but if either one of them goes down, all bets are off.

Of course, a team losing its star is a kill-shot for just about every team. It’s the reason Houston isn’t to be taken seriously this year. If Dallas loses Dirk, Phoenix loses Amar’e, Portland loses Roy, or Denver loses Melo — forget about it.

But it’s pretty clear now — to me, at least — that there are TWO fundamental components for the Lakers’ success: Kobe AND Pau.

The reason for the reliance on two stars relates, probably, to the shallow bench (which produced a total of TEN points last night…). PJ will have to run his big ponies 40 minutes a night throughout the playoffs, and god help the Lakers if they break down…

The Portland game is just one loss. Lakers have about 8 losses to burn in terms of Western Conference standings. Of course, things are tighter than that if head-to-head with the Celtics is the big concern. However, I don’t see LAL coming out with the best record in the NBA, given the really obnoxious road schedule that is coming, in which the team has to pay back the bank for all the early home games…

Not quite sure why Portland is the toughest matchup for the Lakers. Given the depleted state of their roster last night (still missing their best perimeter defender, their two best spot-up shooters, their 4th quarter iso guy, and starting and backup centers), one would think that it’s bigger than the actual PLAYERS on the floor. The insane crowd has to be a big part of it… (Who else in the league chants ’BEAT L-A!!!" before tip-off???)

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by timbo on Jan 9, 2010 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

thats pretty much what i fear the most

that Pau or Kobe break down before the playoffs and unfortunetely, it looks like its already happening. Kobe should really be sitting out so when you look at it, our top 2 players are out with injuries. This is where the shitty contracts Mitch has inked up over the past years has hurt us cuz we cant get any help on the pine now. We gonna have to ride with this shitty unit and pray to the heavens that Pau and Kobe are healthy by April.

by desecrator09 on Jan 9, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

homie

every little thing is gonna be alright :) you tellin me you scared kobe wont be godly? thats kb24 right there

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by Czheck on Jan 9, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't see any of this game

But the box score is shocking. Well, that sounds more dramatic than it is, but you know what I mean. That might be the biggest free throw discrepency I’ve seen. I didn’t see any of the game, so I can’t judge the level of aggressive play on each team, but still. Damn. I’m shocked. I never would’ve guessed the Lakers on the receiving end of one-sided calls (unless they were playing Boston or a current elite franchise in any given year).

What’s also surprising to me is that the Lakers took 26 more field goal attempts than Portland yet they had the same number of rebounds. I’m not totally sure how that works out (turnovers would influence it but both teams had the same number).

I wish I had been able to see the game so I could form a real opinion on everything. Without seeing the type of play from each team it’s harder to know for sure what happened. Were there any specific situations that stand out as bad calls? Or was it more a matter of no-calls on one end and ticky-tack stuff called on the other?

by Roxanna on Jan 9, 2010 7:56 PM PST reply actions  

If anybody wasn't getting calls last night for the Lakers, it was Kobe -- but that has been sort of true all year for him...

Per above by Zaig, the actual incidence of fouls called, excluding intentional fouls, was 20-15 or so. The reason the Blazers shot so many times was the Lakers were into penalty early in two separate quarters, so the Blazers were shooting everything.

Were there a couple sketchy calls? Doubtlessly. As is the case in EVERY NBA game. Was it systematic or as huge a deal as the FT discrepancy might indicate at face value? I don’t think so.

Like Dex says, it all depends who you were rooting for, I suppose. But still, this result was not a product of crooked refereeing. Roy and Rex are both crashers and they drove the ball and got fouled a lot in the process, per usual…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jan 9, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

True

There are undoubtedly bad calls in every NBA game, but without any type of replay or challenge rule, that’s a given.

Like I said, without my having seen the game I can’t really make any solid comments on the foul/free throw discrepency. Getting into the penalty early makes a huge impact, but if the Blazers were significantly more aggressive than the Lakers, it makes a bit more sense.

Right now the Lakers have shot 14 free throws to the Bucks 2, but again, as I’m not watching the game I can’t say for sure if that’s a big deal or not. For all I know, the Lakers are being way more aggressive while the Bucks are settling more for jumpers and outside shots.

by Roxanna on Jan 10, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll take Bynum off your hands

Several posts down on Bynum…. we sure need a center. We’re kinda heavy on guards these days, low on big men. How bout Blake, Rudy, and a some filler for Bynum?

by Sheedwasright on Jan 9, 2010 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

Other than the fact that LAL isn't trading Bynum, and that they wouldn't trade him to the West if they were, they'd want something more like:

Rudy, Rex, Dante Cunningham, and Przybilla and would also require that the Blazers take a bad contract, like Sasha, say.

Something more or less like that, which is enough to make the deal downright unpalatable from the Blazer side…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jan 9, 2010 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

its funny how

the lakers lose a couple games and the world seems to come to an end. fans fighting amongst themselves, fans callin for coach’s and player’s heads.
while other teams still have single digit wins and double digit losing streaks. all the other teams after a loss are like damn well getem next time, the lakers are like damn wtf is wrong with us! lets trade everyone!

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by Davone_Is_BessT on Jan 10, 2010 8:50 AM PST reply actions  

On the flip side

you can also say that it’s about expectations. Those other “single digit wins” teams are fans of teams who are used to losing. But when your a fan of a team who is used to winning as a fan you tend to nitpick at things that other fans don’t usually care about. In other words, I’m spoiled and I want the Lakers to win and if they loose I am extra hard on them.

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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 10, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Tired of No Gasol Excuse

I’m simply tired of hearing that excuse from you laker fans. A team should still be able to compete even with injuries, Portland has certainly proven that. Houston without Mcgrady and Yao have learned to deal with that too. The Celtics still play phenomenally when someone in their Big Three is out. I have to say that the Lakers this season are overrated and have not played exceptionally well as last season. I won’t be surprised if the Lakers don’t get past the second round.

by Ztec on Jan 10, 2010 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

Those are all awesome points

Thank you. On the basis of your sound arguments, SS&R has decided to stop mentioning Pau Gasol’s injury. Your input is valuable and appreciated.

by DexterFishmore on Jan 10, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree with most of that

but not get past round 2??? You smoking something home boy!!!

by desecrator09 on Jan 10, 2010 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair...

There are way too many variables to talk about playoffs at this point. I mean, in theory Gasol could come back 100% and be a huge force. He could also theoretically come back, injure himself worse, and be out the rest of the season. Theoretically, Kobe could have a season-ending injury tonight. Of course, that’s true of any player at any time. So really, it’s definitely possible for the Lakers to get out in the second round if they lost Kobe or Gasol for the season.

Last year the Lakers barely got by the Rockets, who were playing without Yao or McGrady. I really feel that if Yao hadn’t gotten hurt in whatever game that was (2? 3?), the Rockets could’ve pulled off the upset. And on paper, the Lakers should’ve destroyed them in that series.

by Roxanna on Jan 10, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

Even when the Lakers win a title fans still consider them overrated and doubting that they will get past the second round is just wishful thinking. Unless of course they have injuries.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG

by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 10, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

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