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The "Soft" Tag, Hard Fouls and the Intimidation Factor

They're back and they're getting louder.  The renewed questions about the Lakers being "soft."  Their apparent lack of toughness or willingness to get physical.  This "soft" tag doesn't come from a lack of physical strength, but what seems like the lack of mental strength that may throw them off their game due to an opponents physical play.  In order to respond to physicality, one has to have mental tenacity, or stick-to-it-ive-ness, to play their game regardless.  Or at least have the wherewithal to match an opponents' intensity or willingness.  The Lakers are not soft.  At least not deep down.  You don't become Champions being soft.  They proved that during last year's regular season and in the Playoffs.  We've seen them step up and respond to physical play.  The thing is, they typically  aren't the aggressors.  This gets confused for being soft.  They're reactive rather than proactive.  It has to be brought out of them.  Physicality in itself does not make a team or person any better a basketball player.   Still, there's always going to be this unofficial rule of thumb that physical teams have an edge because they choose to be.  Good teams or players who can get physical typically win more often than not because of the mental edge gained on an opponent.  The choice to initiate contact and dictate the energy of the game.  Why do they wait for the issue to reach the tipping point before we see it?  Sometimes, this is where the Lakers are lacking, and nothing shows this more than their inability to commit the good ole fashioned hard foul.

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When I say hard foul, I don't mean dirty or cheap.  Not the Derek Fisher on Luis Scola type of foul, but the kind of hard foul that stops anything easy.  The kind of foul that kills momentum and plants a seed of doubt in the other team.  Too often the Lakers, read Andrew Bynum, Lamar Odom, and especially Pau Gasol, are jumping sideways or just a tad back in attempt to defend against lay-ups or dunks.  They try to alter a shot with length alone and there have been many times it works, but there are plenty of times that it doesn't.  At the wrong times.  Too many times it leads to easy buckets and/or "and 1's" that create momentum and lead or extend runs by the other team.  Sometimes I wish they would give a guy a nice hard foul.  Put them on the line to take two. 

The very reason the soft issue is being raised again is pretty much because of Pau Gasol.  It's the complete lack of resistance in stopping Andrea Bargnani taking Gasol off the dribble from the 3 pt. line for a reverse(!) lay-up and a foul (with 1:14 left and clinging to a 4 pt. lead on the road).  It's the fact that Pau probably has no thought what-so-ever in making sure a good shot is impossible.  It's the Cavs game on Thursday and Pau's pathetic lay-up attempt to take lead back, his deer in headlights look as he missed both free-throws that could have tied the game again, and his failure to effectively box out a known physical player when a Lakers possession and 3-pointer could have tied the game.  How does that relate to being soft?  Because many feel it was physical play that mentally took Pau off his game like it did in the 2008 Finals.  Watch those plays down the stretch in Cleveland.  Pau should have tried to dunk both shot attempts - or at least go harder.  Why didn't he?  Cleveland's good shot contesting was in Pau's mind.  It worked.

There's also Lamar.  There had to be at least 3-4 times LeBron took it straight to the basket right at LO, who just jumps straight up, giving Lebron the hoop and the foul.  It's tough enough to stop LeBron, given his size, strength, athleticism, and skill.  It's even harder when you just let James create the contact with you.  A few of those buckets helped to cut the lead, then take it and extend it.  Like the one that put the Cavs up 89-87.  LeBron blocks Pau's shot, gets the rebound off of Pau's second attempt, then races down court for an easy lay-up as Lamar jumps sideways.  Doesn't even try to use his body.  Like LeBron will miss that?  I can't help but wonder if the game would have ended differently if the front court was willing to put a few guys on their butts.  Maybe LeBron doesn't get the baskets and the foul.  Maybe it's just a foul.  Maybe LeBron makes both FT's.  Maybe he misses one or both.  Or, just maybe, the refs eat the whistle because it's two guys going hard.  Either way, it's better than a possible game changing 3-pt. play that gets the Cavs and their fans in a frenzy.  It's better than letting LeBron or any other player get a good look while still drawing a foul.

For instance, when is the last time you saw Shaquille O'Neal get dunked on?  Or gave up an easy lay up?  Especially in crunch time?  I bet you're having a hard time remembering because it doesn't happen.  Sure, Shaq may get a foul, and the shooter might hit both free throws.  He may not.  I would rather take my chances on free throws than a poorly contested lay-up or dunk, because there's a seed planted in a shooter's mind when they know a defender isn't having it.  There's a thought of "maybe not?"  There's also dam put on the flood of momentum that comes with a big basket or the hoop and foul.  You can stop the crowd from empowering a home team.  You'll hear "ahhhhh" instead of "YEAHHHH!"  It's not always just about giving up the two points.  There's a psychological edge to being the aggressor.  Suppose the shooter has a seemingly open lay-up but the other player effectively stops him from an easy one with a hard foul.  Knowing he was already defended pretty tough in previous attempts, the shooter is hesitant taking it to the hole in crunch time.  Do you think a 3-pt shooting center on the "softest" team in the NBA even attempts that shot if he knows there's no way it's getting upThat hesitation could be the result of doubt of whether or not he'll convert the bucket.  Or even get the foul called.  On Thursday, LeBron did miss a free throw late that could have give us a chance to tie the game, had Pau not gone for the un-clutch triple play (missed lay-up, missed free throws, poor box out - in succession).  There has never been a 100% free throw shooter, and as Pau proved, even the good players miss crucial ones.  Putting LeBron on the line for two just a couple of those times could have changed the game.  Making Bargnani shoot two could have meant overtime, instead of Toronto having the opportunity to finish the game on two free throws.

Still, the Lakers have the best defense in the NBA.  They're 2nd in the NBA in opponents FG% (by .01), 1st in 3 Pt FG%, and 1st in point differential.  It's because they are big and skilled.  This team is very talented.  Even in the Cavs game, they held the Cavs to 92 pts.  Why doesn't feel like enough yet?  Because the fear isn't there.  It needs to be.  There's a chance for them to become a great defensive team if they decide to put the slightest hesitation in the minds of opponents.  Then maybe scrubs like Nicolas Batum don't attempt to dunk on Pau a third time then feel the need to tell him.  Maybe Toronto's big men don't think they can walk in the paint and steal a win.  Maybe Lamar saves 2-3 points by putting LeBron on the line for two, or LeBron doesn't know he can go coast to coast to take the lead, and just maybe, Andrew remembers that Phil wants his defensive presence and 6 fouls more than his 15 ppg.  Intimidation factor.   Hopefully teams will decide to stay on the perimeter more and get forced into uncomfortable mid range shots, rather than meet a 7 footer able to block their shot, force a bad one and get the rebound, or put them on their asses.  I know the Lakers aren't soft.  Sometimes I just want them to be hard.  I want them to hit first.  Especially in their quest to repeat.  It's reaching that tipping point.  Even if it's not in their DNA.

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Completely agree

Nothing else to be said. Except maybe someone should spell out to Bynum that you can foul hard without getting a flagrant.

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 11:09 AM PST reply actions  

Good read

Absolutely agree. The Lakers need to give off the mentality of, “We’re not going to give you that shot down the stretch, you need to EARN IT.”

by 81 Witness on Jan 25, 2010 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with all this man

But I just dont think the Lakers have that “aggressor” personality in them. Yeah, they’ll eventually respond to physical play (except Pau) but eventually, we are gonna have to be the team that becomes the ones that initiates physical play. Especially if we face the Celtics or Cavs in the Finals. Cuz if we keep waiting for THEM to make US respond to the physical contact, the game may already be out of reach and it could be the difference in winning the series or not. The Lakers have to somehow become a nasty (not dirty) team that initiates physical play. I dunno, maybe its cuz I’m a fan of East Coast ball; defensive, gritty, blue-collar basketball rather then skill, finesse stuff that the Lakers play, but I think that if the Lakers face one of those 2 teams in the Finals, they will HAVE to be the initiators or they will lose.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent article

Right on the money, and well written to boot. It’s the mind-set, the aggressiveness. You said it well when you wrote “recative, not proactive.” See also: killer instinct (in any Laker not currently wearing no. 24).

by Whipp on Jan 25, 2010 11:31 AM PST reply actions  

yes, killer instinct is the word

We got lucky last year that we played an Orlando team that doesnt have that aggresor or killer instinct status in any of their players.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

it seems ure entire article is arguing that the lakers are soft, yet in the end you say

I know the Lakers aren’t soft

somewhat of a paradox…in any event, i know what you’re saying, and i totally agree with you, except i do believe the lakers are soft. i recommended this article, and if only you knew of a way to make sure gasol, bynum, odom and phil jackson read this i think it would help our team.

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

I know....it does seem like that. I also said they weren't at the beginning.

My argument is not that the Lakers are soft, at least they aren’t deep down, but they do have some soft traits, or things that make them look soft or make other teams feel they are. Their toughness has to be brought out most times, instead of just being worn on their sleeves. We saw them being the aggressor a few times few times last season, and it was some of their proudest moments on the court. Like the Boston and Cleveland games, and the a few of the Houston and Denver playoffs games. It’s there. We haven’t seen it yet this year.

Think about the 7SOL Suns. They never got over being soft.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

After first writing this

I had to go back a few times to make sure i didn’t seem too contradictory in my point, yet explained my frustrations and expectations.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

gotcha. good article, man. u ought to think about writing on here more often.

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

i pretty much feel exactly how you feel….

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

the same thing you said, i was screaming during the cavs game. foul the M##$$#@@, rather than give him an uncontested lay-up. it will make a world of difference.

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

mbenga should come in and play some defense. he blocks shots very well. he could even use his 6 fouls to hack people.

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 12:00 PM PST reply actions  

This post has been recommended

I give it my seal of approval.


"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 25, 2010 12:09 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Lakers at the White House - see Fanshots for more

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 25, 2010 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

I think the KCAL 9 was advertising it on their News at noon LA time. Don’t know if it is still on though.

Which of these things is not like the others? 15 NBA Championships, most wins in NBA history, current NBA champions, lost by 20 to the F'ing Spurs.

by olf on Jan 25, 2010 1:41 PM PST up reply actions  

isn't jordan farmar #1? lol

they should’ve given him another number :p

by Nostance on Jan 25, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

wait, he’d still be 44. I didn’t think that through. In any event he should get 2009 on his jersey then

by RudeMood19 on Jan 25, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, true

i didn’t think about that either. Maybe we should elect Michelle in 2013. that way he could still get the jersey and she could get a jersey too. lol.

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

My feelings exactly

I’ve posted the same comments a few times. Recd for a good article also.

We’re seriously playing without heart, without desire, without hustle, and without tough. I’m not talking about Kobe playing through injuries tough. I’m talking about the mental toughness to say, “NO WAY, we are not losing this game”. Kobe has been the only one saying that. He needs some help.

I’ll point out one play that changed the feel of the Laker’s championship run last year. You know the one right? With one foul Derek Fisher let Houston, and the rest of the championship contenders know, the Lakers weren’t going to be pushed around. Fisher vs. Scola, while a flagrant, was a message; “Don’t mess with us”.

Now, I don’t want people to think I’m endorsing flagrant fouls on other teams. I’m not. The Rudy Fernandez foul (I think Trevor was going for the ball personally) is not what’s in order.

I agree with Wonda 100%. Let’s take over the paint, use hard fouls, and make teams earn their points.

I was so disgusted with LO’s failure to foul Lebron, it was like the Lakers were in “awe” of him or something.

by 99bc99 on Jan 25, 2010 1:07 PM PST reply actions  

On a more serious note

The dream has ended.

The Lakers will not match or beat the Chicagos Bull’s record 72 wins in an 82 game season.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 25, 2010 1:54 PM PST reply actions  

*Bulls'

apostrophe in the wrong place, dammit

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 25, 2010 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It's okay.

Just wait until these Lakers beat the ’72 lakers 33 game win streak record!

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Does wondahbap ever miss?

To answer my own subject line, no. Another great post.

"My grandmother could guard him...and she can't go to her left!" - Chicky Baby

by Bob White on Jan 25, 2010 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

Great Read. Right On The Money.

Basically, the Lakers are the opposite of the Rockets.

The lakers have all the talent in the world, but they dont play like pitbulls, they play more like pugs. They dont have any killer instinct. The only person Ive seen mad on the Lakers roster is Kobe & Artest. Oh, I guess you could throw Fisher in there with his flying elbow to Scola last year in the playoffs.

I wish Bynum and Pau would have the mentalitly of D Howard on defense. It seems those two are only worries about the offiensive side some times.

Lakers will be ok though. i still expect them to pick up the pieces and make it to the finals.

"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG

by LakersFoEva on Jan 25, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe the Lakers' bigs don't know how to hard foul because they arn't used to it.

They’ve gotten by with just sticking their hands out and altering shots for most teams, so when they actually go against stronger guys or stronger finishers, they become all confused. Sort of like how they think their talent alone can win games sometimes. Hopefully this road trip will roughen them up a bit.

by Nostance on Jan 25, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

***worried

"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG

by LakersFoEva on Jan 25, 2010 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

*** offensive

"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG

by LakersFoEva on Jan 25, 2010 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

ughhh, it sounds like

the Cavs trade possiblity of gettin Amare for Hickson and Big Z are gathering steam. If they land him, you can pretty much gift wrap the big trophy to the Cavs as I dont see anyone beating them if they got him….

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

I would prefer to have Amare on the cavs than Big Z

You see the problems Pau has shooting over that 7’3" body? Pau’s not exactly a leaper and Z is huge. Plus, Z’s shot draws Pau or Drew out 18 ft. away from the basket to rebound.

Please. Pretty please, Cleveland. Trade Z. Get Amare. He’s a softy. Plus, it automatically removes the untrue claims that LeBron has no talent. I’m tired of the excuses made for him. Excuses that shouldn’t be made for the guy some like to refer as a possible GOAT.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

it would upgrade their offense so much though....

can you imagine tryin to defend a pick and roll with Lebron and Amare???? Game Over.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

but Shaq and Amare do not play well together and you can’t really combine him with anything else. The only reason this trade makes Cleveland more formidable is because the Suns would most likely buy out Z’s contract basically opening the door for the Cavs to resign him for less, which is what they have been looking for all along.

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

come on

if you really think that the Cavs getting Amare is not an upgrade you are in-fucking-sane.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't

they lose height. they lose defense. they lose so much more than they gain offensively especially since they really don’t need anymore offense.

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

its an upgrade but not as big as everyone thinks..

amare needs steve nash run offense that is a fast breaking offense to be good…

cavs slow tempo is not good for him

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

dude their main problem

is OFFENSE, not defense. And I dont think AMare is that bad of a defender, he’s just been in a bad system in Phoenix that doesnt require defensive diciplin. If he goes under a MIke Brown defense, theres no doubt he’ll be alot better.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

they have lebron

and 1 million spot up shooters and a big man to clog up the paint..

getting amare would kinda be a downgrade cause he would need the ball more.. and i would love for him to demand the ball on the cavs because that means LEBRON GETS LESS TOUCHES…

AMARE TO CAVS… BOOK IT>>> make it happen ferry

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

cleveland has a better chance of winning a title this year with shaq in the middle than amare.

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Amare can't play next to Shaq

they’ve already showed that in Phx. And that offense has a lot of picks and screens

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

your crazy

Amare would just do pick and roll with Lebron where he flourishes. This would be a bad deal for the rest of the league. Ya’ll crazy…

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

and vice versa

its not like Pau can guard Amare. Amare lit him up both times this year. Its not that big of an advantage…

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

ehhh

Pau healthy can play Amare, unfortunately he has been everything but

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

bynum gaurded amare

and bynum owned him once and amare had a good game next time… please dont say bull come on..

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

whatever

if he went to Cleveland I dont think Pau can guard him well. Amare is one of the best offense forwards in the league. Just cuz he’s so bad on defense ya’ll thin he’s a scrub but he’s a beast offensively.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

there is absolutly no denying that amare is a beast offensivly….

but his defensive shortcomings severly dimish what he does on offense

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

i dont think it severly does

otherwise Phoenix wouldnt have been as good as they were in past seasons and they wouldnt be that good thsi year.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

it wasnt all him

Amare took over some of those playoffs games dude. He went 1 on 1 against Timmy and dominated. He’s a beast offensively with our without Nash (but it certainly helps to have him)

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Amare went 2-15 when I went to the Phoenix game.

I don’t think Pau played though

Shaquille O'neal: "I’m like President Bush. You may not like me, you may not respect me, but you voted me in." (Referring to his selection into the 2007 All-Star Game despite missing most of the season due to injury.) (courtesy of shaqquotes.com)

by KobeisGod on Jan 25, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

bynum shut his ass down

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Which would suck.

If that happens, then NO NO NO.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not worried about theri offense.

Just LeBron.

It’s the defense that could affect us. Amare? Not a defender. I’ll take that all day. Bynum abuses him. Pau abuses him.

Both Bynum and Pau have a problem getting easy shots over Z.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

well they'd probably

put Shaq on Bynum mostly and Varejoa on Pau which Pau struggled with alot in the 2 games this season. And I dont see any team stopping Lebron. He’s the best in the league right now and I dont see anyone even playing remotely close to his level.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

u think amare wants to go to cleveland with shaq there? keep in mind, amare didn’t like playing alongside shaq in phoenix. i highly doubt the cavs are serious players in the amare sweepstakes.

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

dude Amare would take this deal in a heartbeat

he’s not happy in Phoenix and to get a chance to play with Lebron and win a title I know he’d be cool with.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

cleveland has nothing to offer in return.

by chaucer on Jan 25, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

well Phoenix just wants to dump money

they’d get Big Z’s expiring contract and Hickson who has a short contract.

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

no shit

everyone’s been talkin about him with the rest of the free agents this summer

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

so then why the hell would phenoix want to dump amare..

and get nothing back… since amare contract is expiring anyway

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

they dont care what they get back i guess

they just want to get rid of him now for some reason. lol I dunno, it dont make much sense but thats what the ESPN guys are sayin…

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

its sorta far fetched that Steve Nash would hand over Amare like that. Especially just to buyout Big Z

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

GREAT POINT

i totally forgot about the shaq amare connection…

shaq back to phenoix?? for amare?

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hickson and Big Z for Amare would be an underwhelming trade if I'm the Suns. The first round draft picks would do

nothing for me since the draft is crapshoot if you do or don’t know what you’re doing. JJ Hickson has a couple of dunks against the Lakers, and now he’s the best thing since slice bread. Aside from his physical gifts, his game is lacking. Z is just one huge expiring contract that’ll be bought out. Where is the young player that’s ready to contribute immediately? I would want a player that I know is good right now and can be something special in the future. Hickson doesn’t give that impression.

From the Cleveland side, this deal would obviously be great for them. They get a player who can get you points with relative ease and the occasional block on defense. That’s just about it. Amare has never been known to be a stout defender, though a change in culture could do wonders to a players mentality. Amare has never been a good rebounder either. The Cavs could get Z back, which would thoroughly enhance the value of this trade.

From the Lakers perspective, I’d would be somewhat worried. An Amare-Lebron tandem would be deadly. Throw Mo Williams into that mix and they can cause problems. Defensively, the Cavs take a step back when Amare is on the floor. In the end game, Brown will probably go with Shaq and Z or Z and Varejao. Yes, the length and size of Z and Shaq bothered the Lakers frontcourt. However, the Lakers must play with a bit more aggressiveness and force.

by E-ROC on Jan 25, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want Amare

We pride ourselves on defense. He can’t play it. And there’s no way we’re giving up Z. He’s family to us. He must retire a Cavalier.

by WaveOcean on Jan 25, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Worry Warts

I’ve only been a part of this blog for a few days now, although I have read it frequently, but this much I know:
1. desecrator09, if you are a Lakers fan you need to breathe, relax and stop giving the Cavs too much credit. When the Lakers go on a winning streak and the Cavs lose a few, the shoe will be on the other foot. We’ve seen it the last two seasons.
2. The Lakers recovering injured are still not confident on the floor and I really think they are playing cautious. We’re only half way to 82 and to take unnecessary risks now is foolish. They’ll build up to the finish line. It’s what they do and it works. We bite our nail watching it, but these are our Lakers.

by Joshua S on Jan 25, 2010 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

dude, if the Cavs get AMare

i dont see how we can beat them. They was missing a legit PF and now they’d get one. If we cant beat them without Mo then how we gonna beat em with Mo and Amare???

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by Czheck on Jan 25, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Amare is definitely an upgrade over Z & Hickson overall

However, the difference may not be as absurb. Offensively speaking, Amare does a better job at creating his own shot and driving than Z. However, in terms of P&R, Z is actually a better shooter than amare. I mean, you’re going to be crashing on Lebron regardless of who sets the screen anyways.

by Nostance on Jan 25, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Z aint a better shooter than Amare WTF????

Not this year at least. Z has been taking those shots but he aint making them very much which is part of the reason Brown doesnt play that much this year. Amare drained in jumpers all over us in the Phoenix game in Phoenix

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

If you read anything else by me

you will see I’m as patient as Lakers fans come. I know there’s a bigger picture and losses in January matter none. The soft basket problems I point out have been and always have been there, even in our Championship run.

Check any of my comments. Here or FB & G.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

celtics blog story posted up front page..

RAY allen for MONTA ELLIS and radmonovich..

by matthewmafa on Jan 25, 2010 3:54 PM PST reply actions  

I'm surprised to see that some Celtics fans are for this trade

For the outside looking in, this seems like it would be a horrible trade for Boston – why would you want Monta Ellis instead of Ray Allen?

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 25, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Not at all

Ray Allen can play a role in an offense and stick to it. Ellis is good, but he can’t replace Allen’s spot-up shooting and 3-pt accuracy. Also, he won’t even be feeding the offense like he does in Golden State. Its just so dumb, and I think Allen would be pissed as hell if it went through.

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Ray's most likely gone next year.

They need some good young talent and scorers around that albatross that will be KG and his mega extension. That’s gonna kill them.

If I was Boston, I would do it. It’s about the next 3 years.

I think ray will end up wherever LeBron is. Lethal shooter.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Why would he leave Boston?

Considering he’s still performing relatively well and they’re still a relatively good team.

by Marty Mart on Jan 25, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

because someone will offer him more cash.

Like a MLE that Boston probably won’t give, considering they need to get younger given their future situation.

by wondahbap on Jan 25, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

i dunno why

they’d give up one of the main 3 guys who helped them win a title. And he’s had a pretty good year too. I guess it helps….

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I would do that trade in heart beat, provided Monta Ellis passes the physical. That injured gives me a bit

of a pause. However, Monta Ellis can score points in bunches, and his defense isn’t bad either. Plus, the Celtics get a shooter in Vlad-Rad at the four or three spot, something they need.

by E-ROC on Jan 25, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

why would they need monta ellis??

isnt rondo like their point guard for the future??
that trade doesnt make much sense at all…

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."

by shaqfor3 on Jan 25, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe they loooking to deal Rondo??

i know he has an attitude problem and he went on that rant before the year but who knows

by desecrator09 on Jan 25, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I would pay to see a movie titled

“Adam Morrison Goes to the White House”

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jan 25, 2010 4:24 PM PST reply actions  

i know we havent played our best recently

but having been a laker fan for as long as ive been, i know that you have ups and downs in a season. i remember when we won game one of the 91 finals but then didnt win another one. you have to take what your squad gives you

honestly im just glad that we arent the 05-07 lakers and that the suns are going to miss the playoffs and we have a shot of making it back to the finals. idk about you but im happy

remember when the cavs looked like the best team in the league last year? lmfao what happend?

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by Czheck on Jan 25, 2010 4:33 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Let's Break It Down

This January the Lakers will have played 17 games which include:
4 Back to Backs, a looong road trip, recovery from injuries and 11 road games!
For these guys to be 8-5 and realistically end up 11-6 for the month is still impressive and on par with past January records (8-6, 9-5, 12-4)

by Joshua S on Jan 25, 2010 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

maaan

That article was right on the money….I havent seen a Laker take a hard foul since wow hell i cant remember the Last time saw a Laker put somebody on the floor if you dont count Fisher’s…I remember cheering when Fisher hit his ass….That’s what we need a physical Big man that knocks people down and worries about fouls later….

by EmmCeee on Jan 25, 2010 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

hellz yeah

And Shaq still knocks people’s block off…That was part of what made him so intimidating….Just one time i wish Bynum, Odom, Gasol or somebody would have just fouled the Sh&* outta Captain Headband and let him know it’s a price to pay if you keep driving to the Bucket…Bargnani shoulda got knocked into the cameramen on the baseline! it shoulda never been an and 1…..What’s the use of having 2 7-footers if nobody is scared to inside and challenge them? i swear i wish i could just morph into Phil’s body once during a game for like a 20 sec timeout…somebody would get their block knocked off or they gettin benched for a while..Ima lifelong Laker fan and there’s no way Magic and Company would let that BS go on….whew im done venting…Hate that f’n weak a%^ Soft Sh^&

by EmmCeee on Jan 25, 2010 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

After reading wondahbap's post,

Wow.

It’s at times like these when I’m most happy to be on the side of the winning team in that game in Cleveland. Otherwise, the Cavs would be the ones subjected to extensive evaluation, and having writers all over the state be unsure of the Cavs’ direction.

by WaveOcean on Jan 25, 2010 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, actually after losing to Toronto

I thought the press was going to give MVP to Bargnani or Belinelli or something.

;P

by 99bc99 on Jan 25, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

funny.

I think Turkoglu would be the best choice.

Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."

by pslakerfan on Jan 25, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

We're not unsure of the Lakers direction.

I just want to see the paint protected better as a basketball strategy. I still feel this is the best team in the NBA, and once the kinks are worked out. We will romp to our 2nd straight Title. It’s just frustrating seeing soft baskets at crucial points in games.

The Cavs proved that no matter how good they look, it means squat. We have a point of reference. The Cavs don’t.

by wondahbap on Jan 26, 2010 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Kobe's team

I think that when all’s said and done, it’s Kobe’s team; and when Kobe can’t be aggressive, the rest of the team can’t either. Some of them, especially the frontcourt, have to take some ownership and leadership for the team, take it on themselves to take the load off Kobe. Kobe doesn’t take 30 shots with a broken finger because he wants to — it’s because he feels like nobody else is taking it to the other team. Nobody else on the offense is calling for the ball. He’s the only one who simply cannot accept losing: everyone else can, because they have an excuse (“Kobe’s injured”).

by j-head on Jan 25, 2010 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

whoops meant ta post it...this was last year

Mbenga prides himself on his defensive ability, helping his teammates should they break down on the perimeter. “They know they’ve got a bodyguard,” Mbenga said of his teammates. “They know, if somebody can get the score, he’s not going to come around again. He’s going to think two times now. ‘Oh, DJ’s there. If he can block shots, then he’s going to knock me down.’ That’s the way I’m going to do it. That’s the way I’ve got to be. That’s what I have to do.”

by EmmCeee on Jan 25, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither of the discussed trades is really a significant worry

Stoudemire thrives for three reasons in Phoenix: 1) he plays with Steve Nash 2) he plays at center and gets to exploit mismatches on the offensive end 3) he plays in Phoenix’s offense. Seriously, for all of LeBron’s talents, he’s not even close to Nash’s level as a passer and running the pick-and-roll, both of which Stoudemire depends on for a good portion of his offense. Phoenix’s pace also helps here, as it gives Stoudemire more opportunities for open shots and open lanes to the basket to finish. Take that away and he becomes a decent spot-up shooter who can sink long twos and finish strong — in other words, he’s a mild upgrade on Hickson. Furthermore, as wondah and a few others have pointed out, Stoudemire is a horrid defensive player — Bynum and Gasol would have an absolute field day picking him apart on the defensive end. Playing with Shaq would exacerbate those defensive problems, especially with the pick-and-roll.

As for Ellis, I can’t see he and Rondo sharing the same backcourt. Both can’t shoot, so you create spacing problems, as Pierce becomes Boston’s only reliable shooter from long range in the starting lineup. Furthermore, while Ellis is a better defensive player than his current matador defense in Golden State indicates, you’re going to create a nightly mismatch at the two guard spot, especially going into the playoffs, where there are plenty of wings (Johnson, Carter, Kobe) that can exploit that. You have to imagine that Ainge could get something better for Allen if he was really interested in moving him.

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Jan 26, 2010 12:29 AM PST reply actions  

Big Z?

He did jack last game.

He had 3 turnovers, 5 rebounds, and 5 points. Sure he’s a size issue, but it was Shaq that destroyed us down low. Match-up woes? Okay, okay, that’s why we need to drive and be more active vs. Z and Shaq.

It’s Varejao that gives us hustle issues.

by 99bc99 on Jan 26, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

it's those TEAMs

that give us problems….when was the last time you saw a laker diving on the floor for a loose ball? drawing a charge?(besides fisher cuz his time in Hollywood has worked wonders with his acting lol) we dont have any of those type players and we need to get some before the trade deadline

by EmmCeee on Jan 26, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

GYEA!

I signed on to this blogosphere thing just to say what an awesome article this is. Only if you can get the Lakers to read this…

by deecee1 on Jan 26, 2010 1:34 AM PST reply actions  

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