Maybe Kobe Isn't the Lakers' MVP

"Can I be the MVP instead of you?" (AP photo)
Maybe. I'm just saying. I'm just saying maybe.
Before you shoot your hate comments defending Kobe, I want you to know that I am not by any means a Kobe hater. I am, in fact, the biggest fan of him. And I'm not just saying that to ingratiate myself with Kobe fans and for you to not hit me that hard with that proverbial stone. You know how the biggest Kobe supporters say they are truthfully the biggest fans of Kobe? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
So, if you are looking to dismiss or refute this article, you're wasting your time as you are preaching to a member of the choir. I realize too that I'll be dealing with the conundrum similar to the thought "Never explain yourself. Your friends don't need it and your enemies won't believe you anyway."
You see, among the hundreds of criteria conjured or trumped up to determine the rightful "MVP", one of the most significant and popular is the rhetoric that goes something like this: "Take this player out of this team and see what happens."
It's supposed to determine the "value" of a player, and the most "valuable" should be the MVP.
We don't know how the team in question, the Los Angeles Lakers, would perform without the player in question, Kobe Bryant, but this season, we do with another player.
After the first third of the season completed its phase, the self-proclaimed "worldwide leader in sports" ESPN had someone recognize the MVP of the western conference so far —and it's from the Lakers.
It's just not Kobe Bryant.
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it's Pau Gasol.
Coming in to their rematch game against the Cleveland Cavaliers to kick-start their eight-game road tour, the Lakers sported a 32-9 record. Their record with Gasol? A dominating 21-3. Their record without Gasol? 11-6. Not bad, but still, not good enough.
Not good enough for the championship, it would seem.
I realize that Gasol would make this argument, if you may call it that, bad after their falling out against the Cavs. Gasol was partially blocked by a hand and the back board for a shot attempt with under a minute left in the fourth quarter of their match, then rebounded it only to not come up strong enough for his shot to have a fighting chance.
Then, he missed two free throws later for being fouled with about 24 seconds remaining. Those two freebies would have tied the game, it was a juncture.
Gasol, with an 86% free throw shooting percentage, missed two in the crucial stages.
Bryant's more reliable than that, one would say. Sure he is. Gasol doesn't have Bryant's position on the team because he doesn't have the aggressiveness and the killer instinct of Bryant. No one does. Especially in the clutch.
But it is without question that the Lakers are a much better team with the presence of Gasol. Disregard that Cavalier game, Gasol was absent in that game.
The tougher question would be: are the Lakers better without Gasol or without Bryant? Bryant doesn't take absences from games. He's always present.
But could the problem be that he is too present ? We can't measure how good would the Lakers be without Bryant, but that actually is kind of the problem.
He doesn't take rest days from work if he can help it. He's nursing a back in pain, a broken finger, and a hurt elbow.
On one hand, it's laudable. It always is. Because we have been used to Kobe shrugging off nagging injuries like this, we tend to forget it when it should not be understated. It seems no one has the right to tell him to not play .
But his recent struggles can't be overstated. He has shot an abysmal 66-for-179 in the Lakers' last eight games, where they had gone 5-3. He had shooting games of 10 out of 30 (in the loss against the Clippers), 14 out of a ridiculous 37 (in another loss to the Blazers), 4/21 against Milwaukee, 4/19 versus Orlando, and took 31 shots to get to 31 points (only 12 made) in this loss to the Cavaliers.
Somehow, I feel that those two losses at the beginning of the eight string could have been avoided with Gasol on the line-up. Upon Gasol's return they beat up on the Clips by 40 points, and take their game against the Magic; would they win that without Gasol? With the way they are playing right now, don't think so.
Gasol had a steady 17 point, 10 rebound output in that game while performing efficiently on the field making 8 out of 14 field goals (57 percent, against Bryant's horrible 21 percent outing).
Maybe it's the kind of steadiness and efficiency that the Lakers should have adopted to win against the Cavaliers, instead of Bryant forcing up shots most of the time when his form is not yet 100 percent.
That also means letting the Spaniard have his stamp on the game and control of the ball. Gasol has always been effective, but his impact on the Laker games aren't as pronounced and profound as Bryant's.
But maybe—just maybe—Pau Gasol is more valuable to the Lakers...at least right now.
It doesn't pain me to say that. I'm a fan of the team more than a fan of the player. I love Kobe, but maybe it's time to give credit where credit is due (and criticism where criticism is due).
I'm not suggesting we should decide if Lakers would be better off without Gasol or without Bryant. That's silly. With a Bryant signature, the duo could contractually be sharing the court with the Lakers until 2014. The Lakers would be better off with both of them.
Still, I'm comfortable with the idea that Gasol might be the MVP of the Lakers. For those who feel that Gasol would never contend for an actual MVP award, I hope you change your mind. Maybe someday, down the line.
Among the maybes here, the fact the he is valuable to his team is a certain. Gasol may not need the individual trophy, but the Lakers need him for the championship trophies.
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Out of the five years that Magic won a title
Worthy was Finals MVP once and he deserved it. But in no way would that ever take anything from Bryant and his legacy. If this were to happen at some point and it is a possibility considering Kobe’s age I think that it won’t matter to Kobe as long as he keeps winning titles.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 22, 2010 8:47 AM PST reply actions
Well
you’re right Gasol is valuable as he adds a steady addition down low but you answered your own question against the elite teams. He’s unsteady. Kobe’s been off lately, had he been on you could say we’re 100% during the latest stretch. The question you have to ask yourself is what would happen to the guard spot were the Lakers to miss Kobe for a stretch of games. You lose your other perimeter defender and you lose his height at the position. And it even greater effects rotations because you lose Kobe’s height at the guard position and no one else is quick enough to guard some of the taller guards in the league. In my mind, you give up more at SG than you do at the PF position.
Have the team take on Gasoll's mentality...
and watch the Nuggets play the Cavs in the Finals.
Well, we're waiting....
lol…without Kobe, the lakers are a slightly better version of pau’s grizzlies. The guy cant do anything when faced with a double team, something that would most assuredly happen on every possession if Kobe wasn’t around to keep defenders honest.
Pau is also way too passive to be the leader of a championship team. He is a phenomenal complementary player, but a team lead by Pau is going to get used and abused in the playoffs. Not too mention the fact that Pau’s free throw percentage is terrible in clutch situations. 1 of 2 isnt going to cut it. When it comes to clutch free throws he is on par with Rondo lol
While I and most people would agree the Lakers are an exponentially better team with Pau. The same case can be said for most integral players to their team. The Cavs are a much better team with Varejao, but he is no where close to being their MVP. The Spurs are a much better team with Tony Parker, but he isnt their MVP. By now you’re getting the point.
The MVP of the team is the guy you are going to trust to carry you to victory. The man who down the stretch of a close game that can be counted on to make big plays whether it be defensively or offensively. Let there be no doubt, that man is Kobe Bryant, a man no one would dare call soft.
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Jan 22, 2010 12:06 PM PST reply actions 9 recs
I rec this
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 22, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
THATS RIGHT
rec rec and rec somemore, I made some of the same points below, I knew someone would say the same things
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Fj-3
There was an article about this subject on yahoo. I dont understand how someone can say Kobe has already lost the MVP race? Why is everyone so quick to jump the gun when we lose a game that really didnt matter and all of sudden Kobe lose his MVP chances i just think its stupid to assume something like that.
Their record with Gasol? A dominating 21-3. Their record without Gasol? 11-6. Not bad, but still, not good enough.
the record would be much, much worse without kobe for an extended period of time.
like robi said pau is more of a secondary type player. not really your primary source for offense on a team. though i will say pau by far is the most consistent player on the team.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I haven't felt this bad since June 2008
Kobe needs to go back in the past, so he can score more efficiently and Gasol has to stand up to the old veteran centers like KG and Shaq
Shaquille O'neal: "I’m like President Bush. You may not like me, you may not respect me, but you voted me in." (Referring to his selection into the 2007 All-Star Game despite missing most of the season due to injury.) (courtesy of shaqquotes.com)
this ailing
has really turned him around this month.If there weren’t any critical injuries he would still be shooting around 49%,30-32 points a game with 5-5.You are now watching only Kobe-light.Hope he heals up a bit and comes around until the playoff time.
WHOA....LMAO AT THIS ARTICLE, I took notes just so I can break this down
Good effort Fj-3, haven’t read the comments above yet, maybe someone said what I’m about to write but I gotta disagree with you and Marc Stein.
Your Point: 21-3 with Gasol and 11-6 without Gasol
My Point: I really don’t see how 3 games worse all of a sudden makes Gasol the MVP of this team, I can see if it was a great drop off like 7 to 10 games then I can fly with ya’ll on this stat but 3 games, isn’t a big of a difference in my opinion.
Your Point: he doesn’t have the aggressiveness and the killer instinct of Bryant. No one does. Especially in the clutch.
My Point: Exactly, you just wrote the reason why Kobe is so valueble to this team, the MVP of this team, they all depend on Kobe for it all, noone makes Kobe take a back seat on this team, NOONE, not even Gasol, he is too soft which sucks cause he is soo freaking talented, if Lakers were able to count on him, in those clutch situations like in the Cavs game, they would go to him but they can’t, Gasol and the rest of this team plays like BIG WIMPS.
Your Point: Somehow, I feel that those two losses at the beginning of the eight string could have been avoided with Gasol on the line-up.
My Point: Since we want to throw IF’S into the equation, somehow I feel Kobe’s efficiency would be better during those stretch of games had he not have those nagging injuries. So Gasol being efficient as of now shouldn’t be any kind of a plus that makes him the MVP of this team, he plays around the basket we already know the closer you are the more efficient you will be. I do think Lakers should go to Gasol more because he is soo efficent but that doesn’t make him the MVP, just means we have a high chance to get points.
Your Point: But maybe—just maybe—Pau Gasol is more valuable to the Lakers…at least right now.
It doesn’t pain me to say that. I’m a fan of the team more than a fan of the player. I love Kobe, but maybe it’s time to give credit where credit is due (and criticism where criticism is due).
My Final Point: Give credit where credit is due to Kobe Bryant, this dude freaking plays freaking injured and still plays ten freaking times tougher and rougher then all his teammates who are for the most part healthy and have all ten of their damn fingers. I know who I can count on to hustle, I know who I can count on for points, I know who will push back if someone pushes him, I know who gives it his all from the tip, I know who will never give up, I know who will play to his potential each night, its KOBE, I can’t say the same for his teammates on some nights and thats the problem the Lakers have. Who is gonna step up and consistently attack all game with Kobe, who can Kobe really count on??? If Gasol can’t even make FT’s in the clutch, he is not the MVP cause MVP’s come through for their teams, MVP’s don’t get punked and MVP’s carry their teams to victory. We already seen Kobe do that often injured and all. So maybe it’s not Gasol maybe it’s KOBE
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Awesome reply...
Anytime someone takes the time to break down a response that is well thought out like this is great. I wish I had the patience to do that.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 24, 2010 7:27 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks, I was just seriously tired of everyone finding fault with Kobe
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Oh and another reason
I wonder why teams employ the lets get the ball out of Kobe’s hands and make his teammates beat us defense strategy……..
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

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