Lakers worst nightmare realized in loss to Cavs
This one hurts. It hurts bad. Much more than the 15 point blowout in Staples Center. Tonight, the Los Angeles Lakers came to play, and they still got beat. They came out focused, and still got manhandled. Put simply, they were put down by a better team. It hasn't happened in a long time, probably not since the 2008 Finals, but it happened tonight, and there's no way to dress it up.
It's just one game (two if you count the Christmas Day game), a very small sample size. Orlando swept the Lakers in the regular season last year only to get beat down in the Finals. I'm not throwing in the towel on this season, or resigning myself to an inevitable Finals failure. It's no guarantee that either team will even make it that far, and probably less of a certainty for Cleveland than for L.A. But I'd be lying to you if I said I thought the Lakers could beat the Cavs in a seven game series right now, and that is a disturbing feeling that hasn't registered in my brain for quite a while.
I'm trying, but I can't think of a single silver lining from the purple and gold perspective. Kobe played like an MVP early, but so did LeBron, and when the game came to a head, it was LeBron who was unstoppable. For the 2nd straight game, the Cleveland front court manhandled the Lakers'. Bynum was abused once more by Shaq. Pau Gasol continued to be neutralized by Zydrunas Ilgauskas. In the pivotal 4th quarter, the Cavs sent their whole team at Bryant and nobody else could make them pay. Meanwhile, every time LeBron didn't pull up for a jumper (most of which he made), the Cavs ball movement and outside shooting was enough to punish the Lakers for needing a double team.
I can't discount this result as just another game, because, for the 2nd straight game, I saw Cleveland shut the Lakers offense down, and for the 2nd straight time, I couldn't think of a rational way the Lakers could adjust. If Cleveland isn't required to double on one of the Laker big men, our offense isn't going to work, and we've seen ample evidence that neither Pau nor Drew can efficiently score in one on one situations against that team. If the Cavs can aggressively double Kobe without the Lakers finding open shots, the team will struggle to score, and that's exactly what has happened in the pivotal moments of two different games.
Last year, Cleveland was one of the best teams in the league, even winning the most regular season games. Then, they ran into an Orlando Magic team that was just a bad match-up for them. They couldn't beat the Magic, because they didn't have the personnel to deal with Dwight Howard and the duo of tall, athletic forwards Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis. Why am I bringing this up? Because I can't fight the feeling that this describes the Cavs-Lakers this year. L.A. is a great team, definitely one of the league's best. They could very easily end up with a record superior to Cleveland. They might even still be considered the better overall team, compared to the league in general. But, as these two games have shown, Cleveland has proven to be a bad, bad match-up for L.A. If the two teams meet in the Finals, and my life were on the line, I'm ashamed to admit which way I'd bet.
| Poss. | TO% | FTA/ FGA |
FT% | 3FGA/FGA | 2PT% | 3PT% | EFG | TS% | OReb Rate | DReb Rate | PPP | |
| Lakers | 86 | 9 | 0.29 | 63 | 0.28 | 40 | 35 | 43 | 46 | 26 | 77 | 1.01 |
| Cavs | 85 | 15 | 0.35 | 76 | 0.25 | 53 | 33 | 52 | 57 | 23 | 74 | 1.09 |
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FUCKING FINALLY!!!
C.A., you my man. I agree with everything you said here, which is basically what I said in the other thread. And yet I was called an idiot and ridiculed. Thanks for the backup :)
Well...
The Cavs did shoot pretty damn well, especially in the 4th.
We missed a lot of FTs.
So those are silver linings? Yeah? Maybe… please?
no
the Cavs are a bad matcup for us and C.A. just described it to perfection here.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
cavs are a bad matchup for us??
we could easily beat them tonight had we hit some free throws..
nevermind
me and C.A. have said why we dont like this matchup. I’m done with you guys
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
i did
and i dont see anything that shows that they are a bad matchup except a line that says
But, as these two games have shown, Cleveland has proven to be a bad, bad match-up for L.A.
well thats what I'm saying
and by that he means, our frontcourt doesnt dominate theres which isnt good
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
They're not exactly a BAD match-up per say
but they are one of the few teams that we don’t have an advantage in matchup in the front court.
which means its a bad matchup for us
cuz thats our main advantage against other teams, our frontcourt
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
so our back court of kobe bryant
is not an advantage huh?>
problem is
we have an edge with Kobe, but we lose a lot with Fisher
by pedro_oliveira on Jan 21, 2010 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
They aren't a bad matchup...
They just wanted it more than the Lakers. The Magic swept up last year during reg season…does that mean they were a bad matchup? No, we beat them in the Finals.
Orlando was a bad matchup
while they had Jameer Nelson healthy. In the finals, they didn’t have Jameer and they lost their edge.
by pedro_oliveira on Jan 22, 2010 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I’m trying, but I can’t think of a single silver lining from the purple and gold perspective.
The silver lining is that its a regular season game in January. The Lakers have 40 more games to play, they have the best record in the NBA and there’s STILL room for improvement.
by intuitive on Jan 21, 2010 8:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's not really a silver lining though
What I meant was there wasn’t really something to point to as an outlier which excuses the loss. I guess the missed FTs are the closest thing, but there was no factor about tonight’s game that felt unexpected.
bad offense...
The lakers didn’t stay within the triangle. Pau was not agressive with his offensive game and kobe tried to do too much at times. The rest of the team let themselves get into a give kobe the ball and move out of the way mentality and they just can’t let that happen anymore. Kobe needs to take some time off before the playoffs and let his body heal…at this point his poor shooting is a detriment to the team.
I think the improvement should be in attitude
but i doubt that would happen. Can you picture how though this team would be if we played with the energy of the rockets?
Thanks. this is exactly how I feel
However, if this is how this team will continue to play, I don’t even see them make it out of the west. so I’ll worry about the cavs if we/ they get there. Im hoping for a hawks upset
lol Hawks
I dont see them getting past the second round. I still think they’re the same team as before.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
I like the hawks
they play very physical and I think they are capable of pulling an upset in the post season. Not sure against who though
Hawks are definitely not going to upset
unless teams like Boston and Cleveland are nursing injuries.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
While it would have been nice to win this game....
It just didn’t happen. It’s disappointing, sure, but at the end of the day, LA is 31-10, first in the West, first in the NBA.
It’s important to remember that this is marvelous, not mundane.
They lost this game because they just came up short in the intangibles aspect of the game. They missed a significant number of free throws, they didn’t get key rebounds, and finally, they lacked a certain toughness. Such problems can certainly be fixed and as others have said on here, it’s January. The playoffs aren’t for another few months.
If this game had occurred during the playoffs, then I would be a bit more worried. But there were times last year that the Lakers failed at doing the nitty-gritty things to win games, and guess what, they managed to correct them to win a title.
We haven’t even made it to the all-star game yet, so there is no reason to be overly worried about this team.
31-10 > .762 win %
That’s legit.
we should be worried about how we matchup with this current Cavs team though
and C.A. just explained why right here
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
I think the problem is our current lineup
Phil needs to go back to experimenting on getting the 3 bigs to play together just so we can have an advantage over them
"Cleveland has proven to be a bad, bad match-up for L.A."
is not an explanation. Comparing this years cavs to last years magic (who we beat in the finals) is not an explanation. Provide facts and support your information.
lakers can still get best record in the nba...40 more games is plenty of time
if these two do meet up with LA having the better record, the 2-0 season series will account for nothing. lakers can still have enough time to adjust and play with that championship drive that has been seldom seen this year. i thought last year’s team was hungrier to get the ring…this year’s team looks too complacent at times. plus pau had an awful off night. i’m still taking LA with the playoff experience over the cavs if they do meet up again in june.
Was doubling Shaq really necessary?
I truly believe doubling Shaq was unnecessary, yet somehow inexplicably, there was Shaq, being double teamed by our big men.
Pau handled Dwight just fine last year in the Finals, but of course, Dwight’s offensive skills aren’t as vast as Shaq’s. Still … I think the Lakers big men shied away from contact and from bruising down low with the Cavs big men. Possibly because this is a regular season game and there’s “no need” for physical play yet.
I’m not sure what to make of this game right now. Mostly, I’m disappointed in how the Lakers crumbled in the 4th, especially down the stretch and how, they, yet again, have lost to a contender.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions
Pau being physical would've been nice.
But it’s not playoffs and even PJ mentioned that the important thing is to make it out healthy.
I suppose i’d rather drop this game than win but having someone strain something.
Though, what I’m worried about is not the loss (it was a close game away from home). And as much as the lakers wanted revenge, i’m sure the cavs didn’t plan on sleeping this one out. I’m more worried if Mo Williams would’ve made a huge difference in this game.
That's what I meant to say lol
the reason why Pau and Drew probably aren’t willing to be as physical right now, compared to the playoffs, is because of fear for injury.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
lol yet, it makes sense
Pau has just returned from hamstring injury
and Drew’s probably still nursing psychological voodoo from suffering knee injuries two years in a row.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
So is Kobe mailing it in?..
He’s been playing hurt all season.
That excuse would be more believable if the Big Men were actually tough inside against other physical Big Men. But it’s still a bad excuse to say that your Big Men play soft because they don’t want to get hurt. Especially when the one player that make you a Championship team is challenging those same Big Men while playing hurt.
Yeah, once you make those kinds of excuses, then you need to step away from the keyboard.
Well, we're waiting....
? Step away from the keyboard?
I’m not exactly sure why you feel you need to accuse me of making excuses for this loss or suggest I’m not fit to be contributing to the thread.
I assure you, I’m not making excuses nor am I accusing the Lakers Big Men for “mailing it in.”
I merely wondered why it was necessary to double Shaq and why our Big Men “respected” Shaq so much. They were hesitant to get into the paint and getting a foul or giving a foul.
I’ve already acknowledged that Pau is an amazing player, has stepped up and has shown he is clearly capable of handling physical centers like Dwight or PFs like Garnet. And I would never think the Lakers are championship material without Pau. I know Pau’s value to the team, which is why I merely wondered whether he was afraid to get too physical this game because of fear for aggravating his injured hamstrings.
As to Kobe playing injured, Kobe has a very high threshold for handling pain.
I think you’re the one that needs to step away from the keyboard, learn to read and rationally reply to posts.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I do read..
Possibly because this is a regular season game and there’s "no need" for physical play yet.
the reason why Pau and Drew probably aren’t willing to be as physical right now, compared to the playoffs, is because of fear for injury.
Since the smoke cleared from last night’s game, the issue everybody is talking about is how soft the Lakers are inside. If your Big Men have a soft mentality because they fear injury, then they aren’t playing like Big Men.
This isn’t just one game where they have problems inside, despite injuries and such. Even Jackson himself alludes to the soft mentality of both Bynum and Gasol. You’re speculation of why is even softer.
They were hesitant against Shag because they are soft. That’s it.
Well, we're waiting....
Pau has proven against players like Dwight and KG
that he is not soft.
Anyone who thinks Pau is soft is clearly not watching the games.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 22, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
How about the guys who play them then? ...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-knicks23-2010jan23,0,3115870.story
Bryant scowled at Gasol for a second consecutive game, this time a few minutes into the second quarter. Bryant was angry that Gasol didn’t muscle away a couple of defenders after Bryant threw an entry pass to him down low. (A foul was called on Knicks guard Wilson Chandler after Bryant’s pass was deflected, but Bryant cursed at Gasol and stuck out both his elbows, as if showing Gasol how to keep defenders at bay.)
“Pau’s too nice. He’s too nice of a guy,” Bryant said. "And he’s so intelligent I think he thinks too much. . . . I told him that, ’You’re very intelligent, highly intelligent, and I think that’s working against you right now because you’re thinking about things too much. Just go out there and just let it hang out.’ "
Funny, when I WATCH the game, one of the things I see a lot of is Kobe always jawing at Gasol for play inside. If you’re soft mentally, then that will translate in being soft physically, and if you don’t think Gasol is consistently soft in the paint, then you are softly watching a game making excuses like Gasol and Bynum being afraid they will get hurt.
You see how my suggestion of you walking away from the keyboard was a good one, yes? Seems like you are the only person here that doesn’t watch the games much.
Well, we're waiting....
No.
You’re translating intelligence into “soft mentally.”
You’re the one construing what the players say into something they’re not. You’re the one that needs to walk away from the keyboard.
As for the reporter talking about Bryant’s gestures, he does that to all the players, not just Pau. Right now, you and the media enjoy labeling Pau as “soft,” just because of a couple of games and a couple of losses. It’s the easy route, the easy way to lay blame in a loss. It’s like labeling Kobe as a ballhog when he takes too many shots.
But hey, I didn’t hear you labeling Pau soft against the Magic last year when the Lakers won a chip. And I certainly don’t remember the media labeling him soft either. Oh what was that? That’s right, they said he had shed it.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 23, 2010 6:04 PM PST up reply actions
of course, it's not a good excuse for a
championship-aspiring / repeating team, but, I’m just laying out a possible reason as to why the big men shied away from contact this game.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
i can understand pau playing like that,
im just still disappointed by the effort from drew. I forgot he was even playing, i mean he got out hustled by a 40 year old. Theres no excuse for that you can body up someone and stick to them without over exerting yourself to the point where you get hurt.
Sometimes i end up guarding centers in awkward matchups im not a tall guy so the way i play them is out hustle them. Beat them to their spots, BOX OUT, keep them moving. All that and drew did none.
Not saying the blame is only him, but he needs to step up big time.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Jan 22, 2010 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I agree
but Phil was trying to help Pau or Bynum have help since both there asses can’t handle Shaq alone…it’s unfreaking unbelievable that they can’t
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
i think that responsibility falls on Drew.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Jan 22, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Meh.. just one of 82 .
Losses happen . It’s a long season .
How we bounce back from this tomorrow night in NYC is the most important thing.
Props to LeBron and the Cavs they played a solid game tonight.
With a healthy and effective Pau Gasol im not betting against the Lakers.
by deejayelleseven on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
against the Cavs he's been shut down
thats bad
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
of course
but they are the most likely team that will prevent them from a title IMO.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
As the regular season progresses a lot of things stand to change. The Cavs might look good now, wait until June to make that decision though. They looked good last season too, until the Eastern Conference Finals. Way too early to make a statement like that, the Cavs haven’t been dominant enough to say that they’re the ones that stand in the way of a Lakers repeat.
how would they change so much though?
especially matchups wise. This is how they matcup up with out big guys. What more proof do you want? I think you just dont wanna admit that the Cavs are a bad matchup for us.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Did I say that the Cavs were a good match up? Did I say they were a bad match up?
The Lakers led for much of the game, and the game was decided in the last few minutes of the game. Hardly what I call a “dominating” or decisive win for the Cavs. I mean that the Cavs have their own problems and they have to get through the Eastern Conference in order for the Lakers to even think about them, and the Lakers still have to worry about getting through the Western Conference.
The Cavs aren’t the ones that stand in the way of a repeat. They’re not the only ones at least. Have you forgot that there are 28 other teams as well, and besides probably the Nets and some other lower echelon teams, they ALL stand in the way of a Lakers repeat.
Injuries occur, things change throughout the course of a season. Its not that hard to realize that what occurs in January isn’t always indicative of what will happen in June.
AMEN
Everyone needs to get off the ledge. It’s one game people! Did you see the Cavs players hugging each other and confetti dropping form the ceiling? The Cavs are a team that is happy with being good in the regular season, and they have no killer instinct. We make our money in May and June. Remember last year when they were badasses in the regular season How did that work out??? The Sky is not falling. It’s January
the cavs are what we thought they were
thats why we took the damn court
if you want to crown them then crow their ass
but they are who we thought they were!!

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
by shaqfor3 on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Personally this is depressing
I mean… I know Kobe was doubled aggressively all game long, but I think it’s really that finger. UNlike the pinkie avulsion (which he still has btw), this is a more relevant finger
Okay I'm moving on to the next game as I still can't believe the Lakers lost to the Cavs without Mo
Just go with me for I second…. When the Cavs got Shaq, I was like whatever his old ass can’t score and can’t defend Gasol or Bynum but truth be told Lakers big men are BIG wimps, they should be dominating Shaq, out playing Shaq so the Cavs are getting exactly what they want looking forward, someone to punk our punks but anyway enough of my rant, Lakers will have a not so good team to pound on tomorrow, here’s hope that we win. See ya’ll next thread.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
the no Mo Williams part hurts the most, I think
a close loss happens. our shots rim out, their shots rim in. even in the playoffs, you won’t be expecting to win every game.
but i wonder if having mo williams would’ve made a large difference in this game.
it did in the first game when they met at Staples Center
Lakers should of won tonight
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
the overall sentiment of laker fans worldwide as of now

"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Exactly
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
This is not the end of the world
The Lakers played halfway great and just came up short because of careless plays. Should be good motivation for them if they were to see the Cavs in the finals. Keep the faith Laker Nation.
the end is near...
time to trade bynum, gasol, and odom for emeka okafor!!!

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"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
do it Mitch!
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
We did lead the majority of the game.
And came up short at the end of the game.
I mean, Pau missed two free throws down the line, we fail to box out Varejao, and all of a sudden we can’t match up against the Cavs?
LOL
Sky is falling? Sure we lost, so what. Let’s try not to shoot 38% from the freaking field next time.Let’s try and hit better than 62% at the FT line (both of these below our season). Was it defense? Somewhat. I think it was more failure time when it counted, not the whole game through.
The most important quarters are the last two just like in football
it’s not how you start but it’s how you finish…..and the lakers sure couldn’t do the things they were doing early and it looks like it started in the 2nd quarter, Lakers gotta have better 2nd halfs, they should of won this game with no problem.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
The Lakers weren’t bad in the 3rd quarter. I think he/she is saying that it came down to the final minutes before the Cavs sealed the win. It wasn’t a decisive victory for them, at the end of games its basically who executes better. That doesn’t mean that one team willget the same results over and over again over the course of the regular season, and most importantly the playoffs.
He
Yeah it came down to the end, failed free throws and a bad box out.
That sucks, but it happened. Lebron shot how well in the 4th?
HE also turned it over
and missed a free throw that could easily given us the chance to score another three points. Biggest problem was not boxing out Varejao? Pau just needs to get the rebound I mean no way Varejao is that much better of a rebounder than him.
I'm speechless after this loss
It was a hard one to accept. I understand and agree with the notion of the significance of this loss. There is just one thing that comes to mind and maybe someone can tell me what they think. Did the Lakers’ poor shooting have more to do with having an off night or did it have more to do with the Cavs’ defense?
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 8:46 PM PST reply actions
I think the poor shooting
came from getting flustered. They started forcing things late in the fourth and Kobe started jacking up ill advised shots instead of settling down and finding the open man.
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by mrbarneydangles on Jan 21, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
I would say a combo of the two but it goes deeper to the players
Kobe’s teammates, Gasol and Bynum in-particular, they need to play better on offense
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
if your talking about the froncourt's poor shooting
then it was the Cavs defense. They have big guys who can outmuscle us and out quick us too.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:51 PM PST up reply actions
not sure if you guys agree but Shaq's stats don't show the pressure he puts on
the opposing team’s defense. I kept seeing the Lakers’ front court players in foul trouble all night. I think that, although it doesn’t show on the stats, was huge.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
The lost because they missed too many free throws and.........
The Bitch in Pau Gasoft showed its ugly head. We hadn’t seen her since Boston slapped her around. You could tell he was scared as shit the whole game. Bynum played poorly by picking up fouls against LeBron instead of just letting him go. Both Bynum and Gasoft did the same dumb ass shit in the first half. If your going to foul him, foul him. If not, leave him the hell alone. Everyone knows if he is within two feet of the basket you are not going to stop him. And if you touch him, you WILL hear a whistle.
The bench went back to its old ways by just missing shots. Shannon played well but he couldn’t get a break. Farmar was rushing as usual and screwed the flow of the offense up which meant we had to go back to Fisher. For all of those who don’t think that we need Fish’s replacement now, you must be oblivious to the fact that SHAQ had as many points as Fish and Bynum combined (13).
I agree with 99bc99, it’s not the end of the world. It’s the end of my happy dream. We need more soldiers on the bench in addition to someone who can be effective from the PG position. Too many PUJITs and 3 point shots and not enough free throws.
FREE JAVARIS CRITTENTON!!!
i understand your mad
but theres no need to call players names and etc…unless its sasha
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
The Bitch in Pau Gasoft showed its ugly head. We hadn’t seen her since Boston slapped her around.
Seriously?
LOL
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
No offense...
but he’s not that off. Pau just doesn’t have the balls to step up and get physical. IT IS NOT IN HIS DNA, lol
OMG, you guys are not getting this
C.A. and I are really concerned because of how we would matcup with this team in a playoff series if we met them. Yeah we almost won this game and even if we did, I would still be very concerned and so would C.A., im sure because of how our frontcourt simply cannot do anything offensively against them. This is the one team that has shut both Pau AND Drew and they did it twice. If those 2 guys arent producing offensively, it puts tremendous pressure on Kobe to shoot more and more and we’d have to rely on our inept bench to step up every game of the series against them. I simply do not see how we’d win 4 games out of 7 against them with this formula. You guys should be very concerened and not just brush it off like its just another game. There are things you can take out of regular season games. Take off your homer glasses and just accept the fact that the Cavs are a very bad matchup for us and we better pray that we dont see them in the FInals (should we get there).
A 7 game series vs. the Cavs?
At the end of the season, with a tired, 37-year-old Shaq?
Yeah I’d take that. We won’t see the Lakers shoot 38% that often.
just cuz he's older
doesnt mean he cant defend our post guys who arent that physical anyways.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
I agree...somewhat
I think the problem comes when we get away from pounding the ball inside. I caught the second half after work, but from following the box score, it looked like the Lakers were getting the ball inside to Pau and Bynum in the first half and things were going good. When we get away from throwing the ball inside, we take lower percentage shots, and help ignite the other teams offense.
I honestly think we would be fine in a seven game series. We have too many weapons and I think it would eventually wear on them in a seven game series. Remember, these regular season games mean a lot more to the Cavs then they do to us. One thing we would definitely need to do in a seven game series is bring the hustle, it upsets me that sideshow bob got that rebound after the Lebron miss; that was unacceptable.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 21, 2010 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
well alot of the times
when we pounded the ball inside in the first half, it was when Shaq or Varejoe or Z were out of the game.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
Alright. alright I'm out
if I don’t leave now, I’ll comment all night on this game, later ya’ll. Knicks are going DOWNNNN
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
The thing that pisses me off about this loss is the way the Cavs handled the win
They legitimately were acting like they just won the championship. Call me a sore loser but I don’t like we Lebron is pounding the floor and pointing to the the crowd with a big grin on his face while he keeps giving the fist pump.
Don’t get me wrong, Lebron played a great game and they deserved to win but I would like to see him win with more class. I guess he is the guy that dips out on post game interviews when he loses.
In conclusion, Lebron is still a kid. We will see him come June.
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 21, 2010 8:51 PM PST reply actions
well, in all fairness
after we won in Boston last year, we were doing the same thing.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
yeah we did
let them celebrate today
hopefully we will celebrate in june
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Guess you have a point
Still pisses me off though haha
Lamar = Laker for Life...Go Pads...Go Bolts
by mrbarneydangles on Jan 21, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, we lost this game because Adam Morrison didn't play
by RudeMood19 on Jan 21, 2010 8:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sedale Threat
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions
Anthony Peeler
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sam-freaking-Bowie

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't he get chosen 2nd over MJ?
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Psssh y'all forgetting the great Kwame Brown
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I blame the ghost of Smush Parker and Kwame Brown.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Nice post..
I just went back to read this article:
http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2009/12/balanced-deep-cavs-push-around-lakers.html#links
Dunno what to say about this game, other than I’ll just refer to the last game.
Well, we're waiting....
Night all
It sucks that the group of guys that get paid millions of dollars a year to play a game and wear the uniform we like lost to those other guys.
We’ll be back again.
<trying to take a step back, trying to take a step back>
Put simply, they were put down by a better team. It hasn’t happened in a long time, probably not since the 2008 Finals, but it happened tonight, and there’s no way to dress it up.</blockquote
the way the lakers played tonight reminded me of the way the celtics kicked their asses in 2008 finals. that’s probably why i got so freaking pissed off. they beat us up, no excuses. they were the better team.
however, i still think the lakers have a better team. it’s just too bad they’re going to have to wait, hopefully in the finals, to prove it.
we may be a better team than them with more talent
but that doesnt mean we matcup well with them.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
it’s just too bad they’re going to have to wait, hopefully in the finals, to prove it.
+1
Of course assuming the Lakers and Cavs both make it to the Finals.
Don’t count the Celtics out. If they get everyone healthy (which is a big IF) I could see them making it into the Finals. The Magic as well, if they improve their on-court chemistry between the shooters and Dwight. Lots of regular season left for things to change…
Except when the Celtics beat the Lakers it was in the Finals and the stakes were (obviously) much much higher. There’s still time to improve.
we're not gonna improve that much more
what do you see in this team that is gonna drastically improve from now until the Finals??
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Umm Phil will start using a more solid rotation the Lakers are still getting used to Pau coming back. Bynum and Pau will improve their on court chemistry which only improves the team. Bynum himself will improve as the season progresses. Kobe’ finger will hopefully gradually heal or become more bearable than it is now so he picks up a better rhythm on how to shoot. The list goes on..
dude, read this article
its completely unbiased and it will tell you why I worry alot about this matchup.
http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2009/12/balanced-deep-cavs-push-around-lakers.html#links
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
its from the previous matchup but
its basically says what happened today since both games were similar in regard to the matchups
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless, the Cavs and the Lakers both still need to make it to the Finals before you begin to worry about all these things.
The team has much more room for improvement. Convenient that I point out the areas the Lakers can potentially improve on and you completely ignore them.
those are all assumptions
yeah they could improve in those areas but just as likely they wont. Maybe Pau and Drew just cant play together that well. Maybe Kobe’s finger ownt heal all the way until he rests for a while.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
rotfl
i havent gone to espn or any other sites yet…hate going to them whenver the lakers lose
cause then they write some bullshit article that the other team proved themselves…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
and you can expect that very shortly. most of the guys at espn were already riding the cavs bandwagon. more than anything, i wanted the lakers to shut those idiots up.
no problem
we’ll shut em up don’t worry bout it.
oh please
The Cavs stink, stop being a bunch of babies. All Lakers had to do was hit their 2ND free throw, missed 7 of those in a row. That was the game.
Cavs are overrated, they are not a dominant team. They can’t score big, and they never completely shut down an opponent. They have 2 wins this year by 18 or more points after 44 games. Rememeber that only 2 wins by 18 or more points. They have only had 20 point leads in only 8 games all season!!!!! Nowhere near a #1 team.
The 1995-96 Bulls won 28 games by 18 or more points.
The 1996-97 Bulls won 24 games by 18 or more points.
You’re not dealing with a monster with your silly little Cavs dilemma, you’re dealing with an average team. Play above average and you win.
I like this post.
I agree. I’ve been watching them all year. They are still living and dying by the Lebron, by the foul’s drawn by Lebron drives, and by three point shooting. I still don’t see great offense.
They dry up often.
its horrible offense
they get away with it, with league tricks, and the fact that LeBron plays every night, while alot of players in the NBA just want to be healthy come playoff time.
old Fish not good
But who really played badly was PJ with his match up choices. He should have had Farmer and Brown in much earlier. His love for Old Fish is deadly.
lol
that’s the 2nd time you said that…
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
ive seen 10 or 15 lightning flashes today
im in a room that has a glass screen door…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
good luck
I know what city you live in so for it to be that bad out there is crazy. I’m close to the beach and it is crazy out here….
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
I live in Carson,CA
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Well
it’s closer to Torrance. My windows sound like they are about to break..
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
You've got hail too!
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
hale in orange county right now.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Pau makes those 2 free throws and its a tie game. The score was very close, it wasn’t a “dominant” win by the Cavs, not even close.
Cavs are an average team
With Mo out, they have 1 guy scoring double digits unless you want to count Shaq at 10.5 PPG.
1 guy scoring double digits.
All you have to do is play above average and you win.
Thank you.
I Can’t believe everyone is so distraught over this.
yeah your right
but they probably put a ton of emphasis on the fact they didnt have mo williams
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
And so? The Lakers don’t have a healthy Kobe or a healthy Bynum or a healthy Lamar or a healthy Ron Artest.
Mo
would have made 1 or 2 more extra shots tonight, the guy might give them a +4, he isn’t that great. When you play the basketball you are supposed to play and not give in to the media hype like you are supposed to be at a rap concert watching some herb rap, you win the game.
Pass the ball kobe!!
I love kobe and I know that he was trying to show the world he was still dominant… But the fact of the matter is Kobe is Banged up right now, and now more than ever he has a supporting cast that is capable handling the responsibility of scoring. He still wants to do it all himself he wasn’t looking to setup teamates towards the end. He was only thinking about answering lebron rather than helping his team win. We’ve seen the lakers play some of their best games when kobe wasn’t dominating the ball, I just think he needs to learn to balance his attack a little more. I am the first to stand up for kobe, but with the talent this lakers squad has and when the onus is put on them to play without kobe they can do it.
not when he doesn’t give em a chance to do so… they get a feel for when kobe is goin to be kobe and they go into standby mode, if they ask for the kobe looks at them like they are crazy somtimes its what this team needs but right now he needs to work on trusting them some more…
I know pau needs to man up but there were a lot of no calls that i felt could have gone L.A.’s way… cavs deserve the W but i think there were some questionable moments in the game
read this you guys. This is why I'm really concerned and why you guys should be too.
I can’t discount this result as just another game, because, for the 2nd straight game, I saw Cleveland shut the Lakers offense down, and for the 2nd straight time, I couldn’t think of a rational way the Lakers could adjust. If Cleveland isn’t required to double on one of the Laker big men, our offense isn’t going to work, and we’ve seen ample evidence that neither Pau nor Drew can efficiently score in one on one situations against that team. If the Cavs can aggressively double Kobe without the Lakers finding open shots, the team will struggle to score, and that’s exactly what has happened in the pivotal moments of two different games.
not a juggernaut
too concerned, you’re not dealing with a juggernaut, a complex puzzle with complicated issues. You’re dealing with an average team. You will beat them when you play above average. Cavs have 110 or more points in only 4 games this year. They can’t score.
they dont have to score a whole bunch to beat us
cuz they’ve made us struggle to score.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
why do you keep posting the same thing?
nobody is as nervous as you… there’s no need to be
the great writer of this blog and the manager
are also very concerned. He’s smarter than you and he’s concerned. I would be too.
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
its because
they hold the ball long when they have the possesions and the refs always slow down the game with ticky tack fouls. All the Lakers had to do tonight was hit average shots to win.
yeap
not appropriate given their awful situation
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
i recommend yelling at cats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hddCpJ8MfVo
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
remember
we got swept in the regular season by the magic last year…
You will only lose "if"
If you buy into the garbage that LeBron is a superior human being to you. That is garbage. It is media hype. If you believe in the media hype you will stand around watching instead of playing. The guy isn’t any better than anybody. Its media hype. LeBron is pre-meditated. Which means he already knows what he is going to do whether he wins or loses. Did you think the Eminem thing was thought of on the spot. Of course not. It was pre-mediated. They planned that. When you be yourselves and relax you will win the game.
Since the dawn of time, mankind has asked the question
What makes LeBron James, aka the chosen one, so unstoppable?
What makes his foray to the basket so unstoppable?
What makes his 4th quarter 3 pointers so unstoppable?
What makes his overall unstoppableness unstoppable?
Is it possible to stop something that’s unstoppable?
Is the answer to the question another question? We may never know.
And in never knowing, the unknowable is unstoppable!
he's not unstoppable
its the media, and people who want to play along. its not reality. its a staged show.
refs and favoritsim
its the refs and favoritism and people like you who want to believe that one person is superior to everybody else. you want to play that role because it is the only way to feel you have accomplished anything.
i don’t like your cavs blog. i got banned for posting an adrian wojnarowski article in which he ripped lebron. i emailed your blog manager and told him off afterward.
Forgive me for not hanging out here during the game
I was too afraid of seeing the cavs lose, especially with desecrator09 in the house. I really didn’t think we could win. You guys gave us a fight like no other. I’m so proud of my team tonight.
I know how you guys feel about this loss. We felt pretty awful after losing to you at home last year when you didn’t have bynum.
I like most of the comments I’ve been reading. You guys have been classy for the most part about the whole thing, giving the Cavs credit for winning without Mo Williams.
wait you were worried about me?? what??
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
i also think that they are better than the Lakers when they matchup
And this was with no Mo Williams
by desecrator09 on Jan 21, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Cavs aren't better than the Lakers
its about playing above average, and not questioning yourselves all the time. LeBron is pre-meditated. All you have to be is yourself and you beat him. You guys are above that.
not necessarily
it was too close to call. it wasn’t outhustle or outplayed. it was just the Lakers 2ND free throw. They made the first then missed the 2ND.
yeah
it was anyones game
lakers simply didnt execute down the stretch
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
wrong
its not hustle, its the 2nd free throw, you were on the road, make normal free throws and win. that’s all it was.
no
not at all. when they go to rebound, they don’t have position. then when the ball comes down, then they go it and try to slap it away, its almost always an offensive foul. they don’t call it much cause its the Cavs. You don’t rebound like that.
outreffed
One thing i really cant stand about lebron is how much he creates contact and gets calls on the offensive end, and then whines and cries anytime he doesnt get bailed out by the refs. He has tim duncan syndrome when he gets a foul called on him he just cant believe it like he’s never commited a foul in his life. Oh and all the singing and dancing, everyone loved how loose the cavs were last year i cant wait for them to come up short in the playoffs again so that lebron can storm off the court like a little five year old…. we will see who is dancing then… total disrespect for the game.
eminem rap
automatic techincal. no question about it.
then when lamar barely touched him way after the shot lebron storms over to the ref demanding a call, the refs are to scared not to give him a call anyone else would have been T’d up there but not the leagues poster child no way….
that's what I'm talkin about
when you buy into the illuminati bs you lose. the guy isn’t better than anybody. Had I been on the court and he acted like that I’d either go throw him to the ground and get banned for life, or just throw the ball into the stands and go home. I don’t play when the rules are unfair against me.
thats what i think too, the lakers main enforcer cant really enforce because any thing he does wrong he will probably will be out of the league. During the X-mas day game lebron was going out of his way to provoke artest and ron ron didn’t bite which i am proud of… I think lebron is a total Bitch he wont go after kobe that way, but he will to a man that is shackled by the league
that is what you do
your dealing with three teams, the Cavs, the media and the Refs. When you play the Nuggets or the Mavs, all you have to deal with is the Nuggets or Mavs, no media and no refs. You have to learn how to handle all 3.
1.Beat the Cavs-very easy, make the shots you normally make and don’t have doubts and make excuses about yourselves.
2.Beat the media-don’t partake in the activities they want you to.
3.Beat the refs-lots of things to do here. be physical, knock a guy to the ground. play smart, don’t even acknowledge them. Walk away and leave the court. So what if nobody has done that. They are the ones deciding the game not you. If they decide you don’t win, you don’t have to accept that.
The better team won...
But this one hurt. I hate that Fear the Sword already has a You Tube video of Lebron breaking Kobe’s ankles but I have to take it with a grain of salt. I think you should and have all the right to feel proud of your team. I would if the Lakers beat the Cavs without one of their main offensive players. I can handle a regular season loss but I can’t accept one in the Finals.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
as long as it produces a ring
I’m okay…
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
You are too kind
It means a lot coming from you. I didn’t see LeBron breaking Kobe’s ankles. When did that happen? Will he be all right?
LOL..
yeah he will be alright.. : ) you can’t tell me you didn’t see on Fear The Sword already
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, the play at the end of the half
Meh, it was fun to see, but I would have preferred a video of LeBron blowing past all the Lakers to get that layup that put us ahead for good 89-87. I’d say THAT was his finest moment.
I agree...
That was the shot that saved the game. btw..now you can say on Fear The Sword that not all Lakers fans are Lebron Haters… It is just friendly competition. Right?
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I would say that shot saved the game
until he turned it over the next time down the floor and missed a free throw after that. WE still could’ve won. Problem was getting a random foul on freakin Varejao.
they're not better
if you want them to be go ahead, it doesn’t mean they are.
bah
watch as everyones going to be all over that one play and make trollish comments
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
wait for the Gif pic
fucking sucks! DRINK!
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
i saw it
looks like lebron pushed him
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
the way MJ pushed off on Bryon Russell
I agree
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Eminem techincal
that rap was pre-meditated. should have been a techincal foul. eminem is a loser who raps about beating up women and hating people and all that psycho crap. That’s a T right there.
malik you are generally a funny person
but that was not funny
eminem ain't funny either
dude is herb, like LeBron, stop buyin into that illumaniti bs.
wait, i did visit once more
Sometimes regular season games mean a little bit more. The coaches won’t admit it, players avoid talking about it, hell even bloggers like me try and talk it down. Deep down, though, we do know it means a little more. Tonight was one of those nights – Lakers-Cavs is one of those games.
from the cavs blogger john bena.
he’s absolutely right. this game means a little more. it’s a rivalry. kobe vs james. kinda like magic vs bird. or magic vs jordan. hakeem vs ewing. barkley vs malone.
only if you want it to
you don’t have to participate in that feeling, nobody is forcing you to think like that.
i am a passionate fan. of course i am going to see it like that without anyone forcing me. basketball runs in my veins.
that's cool
I understand that, however if you aren’t on a level playing field you can change what’s “in your veins” like you say.
rotfl
kobe vs lebron is nowhere near the level of magic vs bird
both those players played on teams that hated each other and went to the finals every year almost…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
to me its all a bunch of hype to try to market the NBA
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
defenitely that is what its all about now
anyone who gets into the Kobe vs Lebron argument will benefit..
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
cant' argue with that.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Ha Ha
This is funny how everyone is freaking out about a road loss.
Cav’s are a good team.
Yes.
I disagree strongly about getting beaten by the better team. Tonight we got beaten by the better player.
Tonight proved that Kobe can’t Lebron with 9 fingers, he needs all 10. Lebron is a great player, not a pushover, he’s got a good team behind him, but honestly really, Lakers have a lot less to prove here. Lakers are not exactly in top form right now relax. We start loosing to EVERY good team, THEN start freaking out. If we net beat more of the best teams than loose, that’s what this game is about. Was everyone counting on sweeping the Cav’s in the finals? I’m not sure where it is even written they are getting to the finals. Does make it more interesting though.
In my mind its clear who win four in six games in a seven game series with Kobe 100% like Lebron.
1-9 from three
its pedestrian, you try and make it like its a mountain. just play above average and you win.
It comes down to one thing and that is that the Lakers got beaten by the team that matches up better. Maybe not the better team in terms of talent or on paper but Bynum cannot over power Shaq and Gasol can’t beat Ilgauskas. On top of that Lebron can attack the basket with ease against this team. The Lakers might have a better team on paper but on the court, where it really matters the Cavs have shown to have the advantage.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
they don't have an advantage
you hit the shots you normallly hit and you win the game. they are an average team. They don’t play exceptional.
The best way to measure on the court is based upon the number of L's
You know the defense will get better in the playoffs. Odum watching Lebron take jump shots needs to change. I’m pretty sure he can do better than that.
odom doesnt have the foot speed to gaurd Lebrron
its ten times better for the lakers to let lebron shoot a jumper then to gaurd him hard and close and let him go right past you
double him
You just double him, its not complicated, when the clock gets low, run a 2nd guy at him, then rotate. its not rocket science.
cavs have great spacing and passing...
they will tear the lakers up to shreds if the lakers do that
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
not at all
they only stand 2 to 3 guys outside the 3 pt line. who cares what they do. delonte and co. aint’ gonna beat you, maybe with the AntonioBanderas look, but not in basketball.
if gasol cannot be ilgauskas, then we need to let gasol go
I’m sure he can beat ilgauskas.
Wait a minute
DexterFishmore said you were going to win this game. You were indeed in top form, with your entire roster completely healthy again. We were without Jamario Moon and Mo Williams, our best player. We don’t even have Leon Powe yet. You guys were out for revenge, you were intent on keeping the best record in the NBA and getting your road trip off to a good start. You had more to prove in this game.
Moon Powe & Mo
give you a +4. that’s it. its not a 7 game series. Lakers won’t play the Cavs tomorrow. If they did, they would beat them. They played better than they did the 1st time around, they know now what they are dealing with.
ya
mo williams your best player.. and yeah leon powe is not an upgrade over the rotation of 3 big men shaq verajoa and Z and he isnt gonna start over hickson… and moon not playing was better for you guys cause it means more minutes for lebron and delonte
Two things I don't agree with:
We were without Jamario Moon and Mo Williams, our best player.
Williams isn’t your best player.
You had more to prove in this game.
In terms of giving your team the edge this year and after this win I give you that the Lakers had more to prove. But the Lakers are the Champs so based on that the Cavs have more to prove until they get dethroned. I can give the Lebron and the Cavs the credit they deserve but the Lakers have nothing to prove at this point. At least not until the playoffs begin.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
whoops
I meant second best.
And yeah, the Cavs still have to prove they can win a championship. But for now, if we face you in June, I like our chances.
So far
I think that it will be the Cavs and I will defenitley be confident. Why wouldn’t you. The Cavs have been great all year. But, most Lakers fans will bet on Kobe as well. Personally, now this is just me, if healthy, it will be the Celtics. If not healthy, I expect the Cavs to face the Lakers in the finals.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed
The Celtics will be the toughest obstacle. We have yet to play them since that egg we laid in the season opener.
Garnett
If Garnett wants you to lose, you will. Its not up to you or your team. KG decides.
so how come garnett doesnt have 10 rings by now
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
because
he hasn’t always been surrounded with a cast and crew anywhere as good as him. His best team before the C’s included Latrell Sprewell and the alien Sam Cassell.
Honestly
I have absolutely nothing against Lebron But I cannot stand KG. He is the only player that if he was on the Lakers I would hate him.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
i think if he was on the lakers you would love the things he does..
cause hes on the celtics and was always our enemy… you hate him… but if on the lakers.. you would love him cause he would be doing all the stupid things for the lakers..
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
that “egg” was a mirror of this game with a mirror image result….the Cavs lost to a team that wanted it more that night….I think that is no longer the case
by cavslandrocks on Jan 22, 2010 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
When the rules aren't fair
You leave the court. You don’t sit there and watch some stuck up elitist rap some stupid eminem rap. Eminem stands for distrust, anarchy, and pure garbage. Nobody forces you to participate in that. It doesn’t mean they are better than you. You show class. If they don’t show class, you don’t play. That isn’t LeBron’s philosophy. He believes that when you lose you walk away and don’t acknowledge anyone.
This is different. If you lose to a class act, you are happy and congratulate the winner. If the rules aren’t fair, and they say you lose, you don’t accept it, or don’t play. Nobody is forcing you to do anything.
why do you go to other team’s blogs to stir up crap…like you did @PTH a while back.?..you should find a team/player to like instead of spreading your “the league favors the Cavs” conspiracy theories?….Aren’t you kind of in “enemy territory”, Boston boy?….At least that’s what the folks @ PTH call you, malik…they refer to you as “the Celtics troll”
by cavslandrocks on Jan 22, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'm too lazy to rewrite my points, so I'll just quote my FB&G post
(Which FYI, is not in a state of total panic and collapse like here, the implications of which I’ll keep to myself)
I think the primary frustration comes from the small mental mistakes made throughout the game, such as Walton or Artest leaving their man to double Shaq, Pau not committing to the hard double on the LeBron help in the first quarter, or not continuing to push the pace against a set of bigs that would have no business running with ours up and down the court. If you factor out the fouling in the last part of the game, we lost by two to a very good home team. It’s not the end of the world.
As Darius indicated, our biggest strength (the frontcourt) was turned into a disadvantage tonight, but that’s also where I believe we have the largest margin for improvement. Although I hate to rehash this argument that’s been said countless time, he and Pau really don’t have a lot of synergy playing off each other because they really haven’t had a lot of experience doing so. As we saw, we were most effective when we had both Gasol and Bynum out there (not Gasol and Odom for once) because we matched their size, we always gave Gasol a mismatch on a smaller player, Bynum plays Shaq far better than Gasol possibly can, and we contained their penetration much better. Bynum especially is probably key to this matchup, as there was one memorable sequence in which he absolutely overpowered Varajeo on a post-up, and I’d imagine he’d be much more effective against Illgauskas than Pau was.
So yes, it highlighted some weaknesses in this team, but it also showed where there is room for improvement, in which we have ~40 games to do so.
And yeah, to the people complaining about the comments that Gasol couldn’t stop Shaq, they were 1) from Reggie Miller who is a complete idiot and a hypocrite considering he was a toothpick for his entire career 2) completely obvious because you can name the players that are physically able to play Shaq that low in the post on two hands.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
WONDERFUL ARTICLE
I think the panic mode stuff was off base here. I like the dissection. Looking at the box score, no one on our team besides Kobe had over 15 points. That’s going to get you a loss, hands down.
and defense ain't on your team
only teams with Garnett know the real deal.
I was just singing along to Cam'ron with you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jdBIYESJ7E
And my quotes on some Bill Russel ish a REAL Defender… not the grinch that stole christmas.
" Defense wins games! "
by Captain $hugg on Jan 28, 2010 2:33 AM PST up reply actions
Quote from KB after teh game
Earlier, Bryant was looking forward to a physical game and was eager to see how the Lakers would respond to playing “smashmouth” basketball against Eastern Conference squads like Cleveland and Boston.
Afterward, he wasn’t so sure the Lakers are rough enough.
“The mentality has to change a little bit playing against these teams,” Bryant said. “These teams are physical, tough-minded, hard-nosed types of teams. That’s not part of our DNA. We have to step up and match that and still play skillful basketball.”
that's how the refs call the game
if they don’t let players do certain things, that isn’t the case. Cavs are NOT more physical than the Lakers. the way they call the game will make you believe that.
cavs foul harder and play more physical then the lakers for sure..
the lakers honestly just played soft today..
not true
the refs called the game like that. had they called Varrejeo for what he really does, it doesn’t look like that.
hah
we have enough scoring with kobe and pau and bynum artest and lo and fishers shannon and farmars jumpers.. what we need is the shots to go DOWN! and to play tough
why did the lakers lose today, was it the cavs defense in the paint or was it just a poor shooting night for the lakers
are you related to Shaqfor3?
are you cousins?
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
tell me you didn't think the same thing
when you saw his name… lol
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
LOLL
when i saw it… im like bynum for 3? bosh? it soundde familiar and then you wrote the comment… and im like OMFG HAHAHAHA
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
that is too funny
what are the chances of that being the same. That is like talking to a Clipper’s fan and his name is redwhiteandblueforlife… which btw.almost became my name.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
what would be the comparison for my name??
lol i have no clue
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
I got a good one
matthewmafia
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
They lost because the offense was poor
And they went away from the things that were effective (i.e. running the floor in transition). The defense was fine really — we held one of the league’s best offenses to barely more than 90 points (discounting the free throws at the end). Execution on offense was the problem.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Not more physical
they are calling the game like that, to cater to the Cavs. This guy is rapping 16 bars, 10 seconds before passing the ball in bounds and you think the rest of the game is a level playing field? You have to be crazy.
what does rapping during a timeout and refs allowing phhysicallity have anything to do with each other?
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
first of all
rapping while you are standing out of bounds near the other teams bench is a techincal. no question. 2nd:when the Lakers play tough they call a quick foul on them. when the Cavs play tough, they let them play. Then near the end of the game, the players will play like that, becuase they know if they play the other way the refs will ring them up right away.
Hail storm in Orange County right now
The weather gods are not pleased and are expressing their displeasure lol
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:10 PM PST reply actions
haha
a severe cell rolled through pasadena an hour ago with HAIL!
gosh i love this apocalyptic weather!!!
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I took pictures
It’s my first time seeing hail in person, so I got a bit excited and camera happy:

does it look like fish roe?
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
I have NEVER touched snow
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
really
man you should go up to big bear this weekend or something…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
one day I will
sniff…sniff….! : )
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
oh snap
if you live in Torrance you’ve got to at least drive up to Lake Arrowhead or Big Bear during the winter. Don’t even need to snowboard or ski. Just enjoy the falling snow, the snow capped mountains, the frozen lakes, it’s truly gorgeous (but admittingly dangerous at night).
Then again, January 2009 was the first time I officially saw falling snow when I went up to Big Bear with a group of classmates and we rented out a cabin.
The other time I saw snow was driving through Yosemite in January 2008.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
I grew up far away from Torrance but I lived from the age of 19 to now in Torrance
I went to CSUDH. That is why I moved here from LA.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
I don't live near Torrance, but Purple and Gold for Life does.
I live in Orange County, specifically Irvine, which neighbors Newport Beach.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I swear your description makes me want to go now
I went to Big bear and the drive at night was the scariest shit I have ever been through. Not much scares me but the drive up there did.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, driving up to Big Bear at night was scary as he double hocky sticks
luckily, my friend taking us their grew up in big bear and was familiar with the roads and was able to put on the snow chains without getting snowed on, but even still, I was scared out of my mind (internally).
You can’t see at night, except for like the five inches your light beams give you on the road. Otherwise, you’re completely surrounded by darkness and a flurry of relenting snow. What’s worse, the roads are so narrow and winding.
That’s why, if I ever am going back to big bear, I’m driving during the day lol
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
(internally)
lol
for me it was outwardly..everyone knew I was scared.
I am the same way. The person that was driving knew I was scared so kept turning his head lights off on purpose.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
I had to sit shotgun
and I didn’t want to insult my friend driving because they seemed really confident and assured in their knowledge of surviving Big Bear at night.
The person that was driving knew I was scared so kept turning his head lights off on purpose.
that’s just down right shameful and a complete douche move there. It’s dangerous enough to drive in those mountains at night, but to risk all of your safety just to tease you about being scared is just a complete dick move.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
At least your friends were mature
The person driving our van was a jerk. He was about 35 and I was in my teens so he thought it was funny. Looking back, I realize how much more dangerous it was. Jerk!
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
never drive home at night from the mountains
unless you have a death wish
hwy 18 is just like the angeles crest highway
lots of dangerous turns and curves…at night you can barely see the guard rails…scary stuff
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Defenitely
I freaked out when I looked out the window and saw how high up we were. I just covered my face with my jacket. And I thought I was tough…
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
nope. real hail right in the OC and on my front porch.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I know!
I didn’t realize hail could be so pretty. I just assumed hail were massive ugly chunks of iceballs. But I suppose that’s how it might be in places that get real hail storms. The hail “storm” we had lasted for like a minute and as you can see, were tiny pebbles lol
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
I blame Kobe's finger
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
lol
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
BYnum
if the lakers want to win, bynum needs to develop a 3pointer
he will never have a quality 3 pointer
like shaq’s…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
bynum has nice form though...
i could see him make some 3s if he practices them…. hes taken a few during the season and its always really close to going in..
shaqs 3s have no chance of going in..
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
He will have to develope a heart on Defense...
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Man…. I hate to say it, but damn, Pau is soft as hell. We have zero inside presence.
In Kobe we trust!
and how did LBnoJ drive againest gasol for a AND 1 when gasol just put his hands up and stay where he was
the one play where lamar was going backwards with his hands straight up
and lebron still initiated the contact by driving and LO was called for the foul was just sad…. i have no idea how that was a foul on LO
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
He played fine against Dwight Howard in the finals.
He got owned this game. Sucks, for sure, he wasn’t in the right mentality. He’s a smaller, skinny guy, sure.
Now, I’m not saying he can’t improve. Sure he can. He’s just not as weak as he’s being put out as.
Also, hit some FREE THROWS :P
It is magnified by Shaq's presence.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
what the hell???
tomorrow is conan’s finals show!!!
wtf jay leno???
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Yup
just heard about it today. He might be replace but no one can be as funny. His last day is this Friday.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
for the record
Jay seems to be funny if it is scripted but somehow Conan seems that he would be funny without a script.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
so sad, I love Conan O'B
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
thats jimmy fallon’s spot
conan is done with NBC for good…
hes probably going to go to fox or some other network
what a shame…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
shaq back in his hayday was
10 times more athletic then bynum… he was also quicker stronger and bigger… the only thing bynum can do better then shaq is shoot free throws..
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
tru
shaq in his early years was playing incredible basketball and averaging a double double a game. bynums been in the league four years and still doesnt produce those types of numbers. though someday i do see bynum as an all star. not this year, but soon.
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
Yeah but Shaq never had two major operations on his knees
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I noticed that Saurav guy who was trying to say Lebron was overhyped isnt around tonite. I really hate that I get to use tonite as proof, but damn Lebron is the real deal. I hope somehow he makes his way to the lakers over the course of his career
In Kobe we trust!
kobe is a free agent at the end of the year...
maybe some crazy Sh*t happens and we dont resign kobe and lebron come ovr to the lakers for the MLE… could happen!
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
after tonight, the lakers fans hate the cavs just as much as the celtics, so i dont think they would want lebron to LA
huh?
i would love for lebron to come to LA…
west to wilt to kareem to magic to shaq to kobe there has always been a big time star in LA and we will need one for the next 10 years… who better then The great Lebron james
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
like my brother
He’s not a Lebron fan, but he admires Lebron the athlete and would love if Lebron comes to LA too.
But for me, I like seeing the Lakers win, but I only hope that if LBJ does don a Laker jersey, he won’t be continuing his sideline antics like taking pictures or dancing and he’ll accept defeat with grace.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Jan 21, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions
LeBron and Kobe fans would all be one big happy family
But isn’t it better this way? Don’t you love a bitter rivalry more?
During last year's playoffs
You can’t imagine how much I salivated at the idea of getting Trevor Ariza from you guys.
I'm here.
Was typing up my post that’s below.
"That's a giant sig " - Ben R.
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
And wasn't around for the live chat cos I was watching the game with some mates.
"That's a giant sig " - Ben R.
by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
more experience, sure, but how about more intensity?
I agree with whoever said that Bynum and Gasol still have a lot to learn about playing together, but they should take a page from Lebron & Shaq — these guys play like they have something to prove, and when a guy can drop 15 points in the 4th quarter against the #1 ranked team, you better think twice about underestimating your adversary. The Cavs may be inconsistent and may play to the competition a little too much (the Lakers do too), but when they’re locked in they are beating teams by 20 points by the 1st 5 minutes of the 4th quarter.
The difference between the Cavs and the Lakers psychologically, I think, is that Lebron’s aggressiveness gets the rest of the team to play aggressively too. It’s the opposite for the Lakers — when Kobe gets aggressive everyone kind of sags back. Looking at Artest, you would never imagine this guy leading Houston to the conference semifinals last year. You would never believe what everyone says about Bynum’s potential or Gasol’s basketball IQ. I don’t know if the problem’s Kobe or his teammates, but when they’re muscled out of position by aggressive teams they fall apart. If they can’t win in the half-court they might just have to consider speeding up the game — running is the only thing our bigs can do better than the Cavs’.
... We weren't at our best tonight.
But regardless, the Cavs’ frontline is a nightmare or a matchup for us. Quite simply, they’re either too big or too energetic. Z and Shaq have the size to bother Pau and Bynum on offense and Shaq can still get his own in the low post. Now, people may say Shaq is old and slow, but the man is still one of the greatest to ever play out of the low block, and he still has his size. Z has height, and J.J. and Anderson Varejao have bucketloads of hustle.
More than any technicalities, it seems their bigs have the same affect on us our bigs have on most other teams. Their size and length just fluster and even scare our bigs, as well as putting off the shots of our perimeter players driving in. It can’t be helped right now, not until Kobe lights a fire under our frontline’s asses. I want to see that Pau making the big basket then screaming like the Incredible freaking Hulk, I want to see Bynum using his skill to outplay Shaq, spinning on him and dunking baseline like he did years back; I want to see Lamar take over the game and outplay LeBron like he did against the Cavs last year, with the same toughness he displayed punking KG. Without that swagger, our bigs will keep getting dominated by Z, Shaq, J.J. and Andy.
Technically, our bigs should face-up more and try and go by them. Shaq and Z are nowhere near fast enough to keep up with Pau or even Drew, and Odom is far too versatile for their PFs.
C.A., I disagree with you that the Lakers came out to play tonight, they didn’t seem to be displaying any special level of energy or focus, while LeBron and and the Cavs, even the normally congenial Shaq did (once after scoring a basket they shot a close-up of him and his face was SCARY intense). Kobe had his game face on, but everyone else seemed quite normal. I even remember a point in the third quarter where we were down by a bit, 5 or so, and it cut to a shot of the Lakers’ bench, and Farmar and Odom were laughing about something, hardly focused for a big game.
The only player who played a good game was Odom, as none of the Cavs’ bigs can defend him, however we rarely went to him in positions he can be effective. Bynum played okay in his minutes, but foul trouble kept him from being a factor. Also, as our bigs weren’t playing up to par, we did not use the Triangle much, instead preferring to run isolations or a two-man game with Kobe and Gasol.
Kobe was on fire early, but when he came back in to the game later on he had cooled off.
Speaking of which, this is yet another game where Phil’s coaching decisions have confused me. Fisher, as usual, was playing terrible and making some BAD decisions, yet Phil kept him in most of the game, and the rare times he subbed Farmar in at point he took him out near as soon as he made any mistake, whilst giving Fisher a free pass. Our Bench actually outscored theirs, and played a fair game when on, but asides from Odom received highly limited minutes. I saw little or no attempts by us to push the pace, when really that would be one of our advantages, particularly with the bench. And, perhaps the most glaring of all, sitting Kobe for near the first 7 minutes of the fourth, throwing him completely off-rhythm, and limiting him to 39 minutes all-in-all. I mean, was this REALLY the game to limit Kobe’s minutes, whilst playing him 40+ minutes in blowouts and games against scrubs? We started the fourth within easy striking distance, and only gave little ground in the period where both Kobe and LeBron were sitting; when LeBron came back we gave some more ground, getting into dangerous territory. Then, with just over 5 minutes left, we subbed in an extremely cold Kobe, by which time it was too late to get him back in rhythm for the final strike, instead leading to him putting up and missing many shots he normally makes.
Our defensive schemes on LeBron were also somewhat bizarre. We put Artest on him, yet from the beginning of the game onwards, we’d always have a big (starting with Pau) playing almost completely off their man (Hickson in this case) ready to help, even while LeBron was out at the three point line. This led to many easy assists for LeBron and putbacks for Hickson, evidenced by his 11/14 line. LeBron was posting Artest up (the area where Artest would defend him best), and Pau was stuck in no-man’s-land waiting to help, leading to Hickson cutting and LeBron dishing it off to Hickson for the easy dunk. A perfect example of this was in the first quarter where This also led to foul trouble for our bigs.
When it came to the end of the game and LeBron went into takeover mode, however, when he started burning Artest with his foot speed, Kobe seemed to be the obvious choice for next defender, being faster and an elite perimeter defender when focused (which would have been a given). Instead, Phil went to Odom to try and get a size advantage and force LeBron into perimeter jumpers. While this may have worked in earlier seasons, LeBron’s jumper is greatly improved and he was draining them all over Odom, yet Phil didn’t bother making an adjustment for quite some time, by then it was too late.
Free Throws and Rebounding also contributed to us losing this game. The rebounding margin was not massive, at 5, but there were some key boards we let go, all due to hustle. Free Throws, however, were atrocious. We shot 15 of 24, 62.5%. Had we shot at closer to 80%, only slightly better than our season average, we’d have 4 more points and it’d have been a two point game; one stop or rebound possibly swinging it in our favour.
What I find horrifying is the fact that we had TWELVE more shots than the Cavs, yet still lost. TWELVE. They converted at just under 48%, running their offense efficiently and LeBron hitting his shots, whilst he converted at a hideous 38.6%, relying on ugly isolation, pick-and-roll and half-hearted post-up attempts.
Regardless, in the end we only lost by six despite all this, which gives me hope. If Pau had just converted some goddamn free throws (he’s 86% for the season and above 80% for his career, yet according to 82games.com his career ‘clutch’ free throw percentage is a Shaq-eque 66% – choker much?), if our players had just boxed out, if Artest hadn’t grabbed Varejao’s arm, we may have still won. That’s the silver lining. Depressing, isn’t it? If we meet them in the Finals, it shall be interesting to see our adjustments. Though I still doubt they’d get past a healthy Boston or an Orlando that’s clicking on all cylinders.
Quite simply, we need our swagger back. With our swagger, things just go right for us. We know we’re the most talented team in the League, and we need to start playing like it.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 10:51 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
“LeBron was posting Artest up (the area where Artest would defend him best), and Pau was stuck in no-man’s-land waiting to help, leading to Hickson cutting and LeBron dishing it off to Hickson for the easy dunk. A perfect example of this was in the first quarter where "
Should be:
“A perfect example of this was in the first quarter where LeBron was posting Artest up (the area where Artest would defend him best), and Pau was stuck in no-man’s-land waiting to help, leading to Hickson cutting and LeBron dishing it off to Hickson for the easy dunk. "
No idea how it got mixed up.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
*whilst we converted at a hideous 38.6%
instead of: “whilst he converted at a hideous 38.6%”
Erg, typos all over the place.
“into takeover mode, however, when he started burning Artest " – should be ‘into takeover mode, however, burning Artest’
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
=DDDDD
My first green post!
Lol.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
I almost forgot
Gils_Keloids, up until now, I had no idea that the name of that soundbyte was the failure music on “The Price Is Right”. I’d heard it before, and I’d been wondering what the name of it was for a while. I have you to thank for enlightening me.
This is the music that sums up my mood right now:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWeb9274Icg
This loss in when we swept boasten last year
We put them on notice just like the Cav’s just put us on notice. It is a challenge for us to step up and respond.
You are probably the coolest Cavs fan on the planet
any other fan would be here rubbing it in our face…
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
There are intelligent fans of every team
Even the Celtics. I think you just have to look really, really hard.
Intelligent yes
coolest in the sense that if the Lakers beat the Celtics they would be here on SSR..no! that wouldn’t happen. But you are right, all teams have intelligent fans.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not that kind of person
I would never do that. I know what this kind of loss feels like. Remember the last time you played us Cleveland? Without Bynum?
What's the mood over at FTS?
overconfident or humble about the win?
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
The naive amongst us are overconfident, while i think most of us are just glad to win,pleased with our hustle and happy that we competed with the best and were successful, but we’re not foolish enough to think 2-0 in the regular season makes us the the best team in the league. Personally i still think the lakers are the number 1 team in the NBA. And the only way you guys lose that number 1 spot is if you lose a 7 game playoff series…not a 2 game regular season series.
by CavsLebronFan on Jan 22, 2010 1:23 AM PST up reply actions
that is the best way to look at it..
As the rest of us Lakers fans, I’m pissed, but me being upset has nothing to do with the Cavs. It has more to do with what I think are their short comings.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 22, 2010 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting comparison to last year's Cavs, C.A.
Especially considering the way we’ve dominated the lower-level teams and lost to the contenders – exactly the way last year’s Cavs did. It does seem poetically odd that we’ve played like last year’s Cavs in many ways, and now this matchup problem is arising.
The world isn’t ending. But there is definitely cause for concern. The Cavs just seem to give our frontline fits, although 2 games does not create a trend. But we need more efficient offense than Kobe’s midrange game. Let me repeat: we need more efficient offense than Kobe’s midrange game. The Cavs seem to take away a lot of other options, and we need to adjust.
On a side note, I have a renewed appreciation for just how good Shaq was. I dislike him as much as anyone. But even at 37, he manhandles half the league. All these elite defenders – Perkins, Howard – would have looked like fools if they had been around in 2000.
Imagine how scary Shaq would have been if he had Kobe’s heart and mentality.
Well
Imagine how scary Shaq would have been if he had Kobe’s heart and mentality.
I doubt he would have left L.A. then.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
If any player had god given talent and Kobe's determination he would equal MJ
That is just me.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Imagine a physical specimen like LeBron
With Kobe’s work ethic and determination.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
ahahaha
tmoblie sucks
everyone knows verizon is the shit…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
how come SSR is not sponsered by anyone?
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
It's relatively new
Let it grow, let’s see how far we can take it.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
Silver Screen and Roll, I mean
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
G Night. A loss should only cause you to loose your temper but never your faith in the Lakers.
Let’s not forget what this team is made of. Talk to you guys tommorow.

"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 21, 2010 11:39 PM PST reply actions
i know fisher went into him and hit him
but that sure looks like a halfway flop to make it look worse.. damn floppers… they piss me off soo much
by matthewmafa on Jan 21, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
i have a theory
that we would not have won the championship last year without that flagrant foul.
think about it. fisher was playing so poorly in that series. phil went with him anyway in that series despite the heavy mismatch against aaron brooks. that flagrant foul got fish suspended, so phil had to start famrar in game 3. as you know farmar played a key role in the game 3 win and was a much better defensive matchup vs brooks. If fish played in that game, aaron brooks might have run circles around him again, leading to a laker loss, and if the lakers did not win game 3, they do not force game 7 at home and lose the series!!! o_O
thats my theory on the matter…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I am with you on that..
Up until that play the Lakers were getting owned. It changed the entire series around. I think it was more because the Lakers played with attitude.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 22, 2010 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
Lol
That instead of us lifting the Championship trophy?
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 22, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Disappointed all season
Lakers have disappointed me all season, they’ve lost just about every game I was excited about. Artest was brought in to guard the likes of LeBron and Carmelo, if he can’t do that, then getting him instead of Ariza was a bad move. Forget Cleveland, right now I don’t see the Lakers beating a full-strength Denver squad. Unless they come away from this trip with an 8-2 record, I have to accept that all those road losses to Phoenix, Utah, Houston, San Antonio, Cleveland are proof that they’re just not that formidable away from Staples. I don’t see Lakers winning a 7 game series against Cleveland without home-court cooking. I wish Kobe would sit out a couple of weeks to heal up, and also give the team a chance to play without him. Remember 2001, Lakers had a so-so season, Kobe sat out a while and watched, then when he came back they went on a tear that started in the last 15 or so games of the season and ended in a 15-1 playoff run.
Do you mean 6-2?
It’s an 8-game road trip.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I want 7-1, of course.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 21, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
458 Comments...
That’s probably the most ever on a non-game-thread that didn’t degenerate into a flame war between us and fans from another blog.
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I haven't read all 56785 comments yet, but did anyone mention/notice Kobe's bonehead move at the end of the game.
Down 2 points with 35 seconds left and he WALKS THE BALL UP THE COURT. Can you say 2 for 1. That’s honestly the first time I have seen Kobe totally blow that. Sure Pau misses the freebies and we lose by 6, but if he flies up the court and we get a shot at about 30 seconds (or Pau makes his free throws) it’s a tie game, we don’t have to foul and we get the ball back with a chance to win/tie.
I just don’t get it. Worst move I can remember from Kobe.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
when was this??
at the end of the 2nd quarter??
didnt really watch the game cause all the feeds sucked…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
no, end of the game. I was screaming at my TV.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
When I saw that there was that much time left
I didn’t understand why he was going so slow. I would have been fine if Pau makes those free throws but Kobe not going for a 2 for 1 looks like a really bad decision.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 22, 2010 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
funny thing is that he ALWAYS does goes 2 for 1....
then in the most important time………….he doesn’t. I don’t get it.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
I am probably alone on this, but.....
this loss doesn’t worry/bother me at all. Of course I wanted to win, but we dominated most of this game. Up 9, then falls to 3, then up 11, then falls to 4. I honestly think we were a couple of shots/bad calls away from blowing the game wide open. Of course it sounds silly, but the difference between a 20 point win and a 6 point loss can really be a couple of plays.
Horrible free throw shooting, bad decisions, bad calls (yeah I said it), missed open shots, Lebron making lots of tough outside shots, etc.
Sorry, but not worried yet.
Does anyone else think that Lebron driving to the hoop is a little like watching a bull run through a china shop and then the china being blamed for the mess? Just curious.
Billy Mac: "Lamar, can you see yourself actually getting in the (boxing) ring"?
Lamar Odom: "No. My face is too pretty."
There were some bad calls
But there always are in NBA games, and there weren’t enough to stand out. The free throw shooting is the main thing, had we made our free throws at our season clip we could have quite possibly won.
It doesn’t bother me too much either, as I still believe that when it truly counts the Lakers can step up mentally, and the psychoogical factors played a major part in this game.
“Does anyone else think that Lebron driving to the hoop is a little like watching a bull run through a china shop and then the china being blamed for the mess? Just curious.” – Yes, yes I do. But he knows he’s gonna get the call, so you can’t blame him for using whatever’s at his disposal like that.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 22, 2010 12:44 AM PST up reply actions
Pissed yes...worried nope!
I don’t think there has ever been anyone in the NBA, that I can remember, who can drive to the basket with that much power and strength. I used to watch the NFL a lot in the 90’s and he reminds a lot of Bo Jackson when he used to run the ball. Or even more like Christian Okoye from Kansas City.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 22, 2010 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
Woj’s new column is confusing. He says that Kobe is now out of the MVP race since Lebron and the Cavs swept the series.
Nevertheless, he should’ve delivered some self-loathe for his part in a 93-87 loss to the Cavaliers. He tried too hard Thursday night – needing 31 shots for his 31 points. No, Bryant didn’t want to lose that season series to the Cavaliers, but there was something bigger happening here and assuredly it wasn’t lost on Kobe Bryant. However flimsy the possibility, Bryant lost his chance to be the MVP again.
When everyone dissects these two candidacies come April, it will keep coming back to this: LeBron swept the Lakers and Kobe, beat them in Staples Center on Christmas and again with Mo Williams(notes) out for a month with a shoulder injury. Once more, James will be praised for doing more with less, and Bryant will be partially penalized in the MVP voting for something that Magic Johnson and Larry Bird never were in the 1980s: Playing with too much talent.
Then he proceeds to say that Kobe will be a “bastard” again, whatever that means. The last time I checked Kobe’s father is still alive.
Bryant played a familiar old card when asked about the solution for the complacency that he believes contributed to this combustion. "I’ll go into practice and strangle every single one of them."
Translated: He’s going to be a bastard again. He talked of tough physical practice, of a vigilance that a defending champ must keep with all comers. Once, Bryant could drive these Lakers hard because he believed they were soft, accommodating and too reliant on talent over tenacity.
The rest here: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-kobelebronw012210&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
If I were you, I'd put that up as a FanShot
It’s interesting, to say the least.
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by Saurav A. Das on Jan 22, 2010 1:18 AM PST up reply actions
The silver lining
As referred to above, is that the Lakers shot 38%, and still had a chance to win at the end of the game.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
That pretty much sums it up for me...
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 22, 2010 6:48 AM PST up reply actions
For Ben R
Here is our conversation after the Lakers played Sacramento Dec 26:
Pau is not the greatest at pressure FTs
From my experience. Does anyone have the stats to back this up? 82games.com?
His normal % seem much different with the game on the line than in other situations.
But hey, nice tip in, those never seem to go in when it’s a last second tip.
by Gils_Keloids on Dec 26, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
According to 82games.com and excluding tonight’s game
He’s 11-12 from the line in clutch time (as far as 82games.com’s definition of clutch).
by Ben R on Dec 26, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Pau is not good at making free throws in the clutch..
If I recall correctly he did lose an important game for Spain by missing 2 free throws that could have potentially won them the game (?)
Yep
And that’s why I stick to my guns in the face of “stats”. That just tells me the definition of “clutch” by that stat above is too loose, I’m talking about when you can feel the tension, not just when the game is withing a certain amount of point below a certain time.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 22, 2010 9:20 AM PST up reply actions
It is
“4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points.”
There are plenty of situations and plenty of games, even
Where it would not necessarily be “clutch” to hit to make shots and FTs in those situations.
I know it when I see it, and last night, those were true clutch FTs for Pau. They should not be including ones against say, the Warriors with 4 minutes left in a tie game.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 22, 2010 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
I understand
You were just providing the parameters they used. Thanks.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 22, 2010 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
I've seen this before from Phil Jackson teams...
The ‘93 we’re owned by the Knicks in the regular; come playoff time howeverthe Bulls dominated them.
The ’98 Bulls were swept by the Jazz but took them in 6 in the finals.
Last year’s Lakers were swept by the Magic then took them to the shed in the finals.
Think back to the ’01 Lakers and how they tuned it on to close out what had been a mediocre season.
All of Phil’s to teams to win a “back to back” have historically gotten hot late.
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Jan 22, 2010 4:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Should read...
The ’93 Bulls were owned by the Knicks in the regular season; come playoff time however…
The NFC East has won 11 Super Bowls; oddly none of those have come courtesy of the Eagles.
by gee-roj on Jan 22, 2010 4:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I had the same initial reaction
Good game, they won.
I think what we needed was more passing, and more Luke and earlier.
And if someone can find that 19 year old Bynum who dunked on Shaq, had a double-double against him, and wasnt scared of him, that would be nice.
Foul trouble and shooting
OK look the lakers are the best but not unbeatable during the reg season or they be 72-9 this season. All that matters is home court during the playoffs and finals.
We have pride so this hurts us when teams win.
Same when Shaq was with us against Portland 7 game series. And last year with Denver and Houston we always need a little drama or it would be boring when we win.
Kobe and Phil will get the team back in shape mentally and physically especially with the trade deadline fast approaching you could see Famar,Adam Morrison,and maybe Josh Powell traded soon.
No trading Farmar
If anything we need to trade Fishers old dilapidated a$$, Him Sasha Powell and AMMO and get a cpl players where all they want to do is play d rebound and hit a few shots…Im so sick of this finesse soft shyt from our frontline….Is Charles Oakley still in playing shape? He could teach our “bigs” something about being physical…F’n softies
They won't trade Fisher
He broke a contract and took less money to come play back in L.A. He’s only still playing because he’s with L.A. Otherwise, he’ll probably retire because his little girl can only get help in L.A. I don’t see him leaving anytime soon.
wow. you have 0 loyalty or sense of morality lol.
Fisher is our floor general. Sure, I am one of the first to criticize his defense, but don’t get that confused. Aside from the obvious superstars, there is no PG I would rather have in the final 5 mins of a close game. The guy ALWAYS makes plays when it counts.
As for the Lakers playing soft, when have the Lakers EVER been a physical team. You my friend should just pick a different team to root for, cuz the Lakers by tradition are always a finesse team.
Whether you like it or not, Jerry Buss has gone on record many a time and said he likes the entertaining fast paced style of finesse teams rather than those boring half court pound the paint teams. Hence he created the “SHOWTIME” lakers. It’s also part of the reason, Buss opted to get rid of shaq in favor of the faster, more finesse oriented Lamar Odom and Caron Butler.
In Kobe we trust!
Lakers loss to Cavs a Nightmare...
Brass tacks, nitty gritty, etc. I agree with the posted blog by C.A.; however, the Lakers muse comes from Phil Jackson (The Greatest Coach in the NBA). Regular season and Playoffs are two different activities for Phil. He coaches to learn and define a team during the season and coaches to destroy a team during the playoffs. I have learned to take wins and losses during the season with a grain of salt and to focus on the Lakers play during the playoffs as indicators for their success. Stay tuned the real action has not yet begun…Peace!
by FreshStart, LLC on Jan 22, 2010 7:58 AM PST reply actions
this is a regular season game, everyone knows the lakers never give 100% during regular season games… the playoffs is the Lakers season, no team is a bad matchup for us then… That last line u have about being ashamed of who you would bet on in the Finals shows what kind of Laker fan you are – YOU AREN’T ONE!!!
To quote Martha Stewart: It's a good thing!
I am glad to see that the Lakers lost this one. It will give them much needed perspective as to what they’ll need to bring in order to repeat-INTENSITY. Never underestimate a team with a chip on their shoulder (Orlando, Cleveland, Boston). Last year the Lakers had a chip and they need it again to repeat. We can talk shooting % and FTs but drive and will get you to the top. Kobe has it in spades and I worry some of our key pieces don’t have it when needed.
Trade
We need to go and get a Big man Like we used to have in Ronnie Turiaf!! Ive said it since we let him go we miss his energy off the bench…He was our version of AV…pure energy and when he got in the game he energized the whole team…We dont have ANY dirty work guys and it shows when we play a team who has those type of scrappy players…Get Bass from the Magic call up a hungry D leaguer do something otherwise we are gonna to struggle against those type of teams….Star players missing freethrows…..ridiculous they deserved to get booed by every Laker fan from the airport to the Hotel and into MSG and if they play f%&%n soft like they did tonight Phil should call they a& out publicly every chance he gets…
The Lakers should be very concerned
Another thing, this is why I dont completely support Pau, even after winning a title. He simply BITCHES OUT when another team gets physical with him. This is why I think the guy is overrated. All you have to do is knock him around a little bit and it COMPLETELY takes him out of the game. You can tell in the second half yesterday that he was scared shitless everytime he went to the basket. He plays like a fucking cream puff against the physical teams. Like Kobe said, this is East Coast ball. We lucked out last year by facing a West Coast-like team in the Magic who basically lived by the jumpshot. I still dont believe we would’ve beaten a healthy Celtics team last year because they had the abilitiy to shut down Pau. This is what it comes down to you guys: PAU GASOL. If this guy doesnt produce in the paint, it will put so much pressure on Kobe and he will end up taking 30+ shots and the defense will key up on him and make him take long, forced jumpshots. Which is what happened in both these Cavs games and exactly the same way that the Celtics beat us in 2008. Again, I still think we’ll get to the Finals because there arent any of these physical teams in the West (except maybe Denver but their bigs just arent tall enough), but I dont see us winning the title this year unless somehow Pau toughens up both mentally AND physically, which I highly doubt. I feel Kobe’s pain too. He wants Pau and the rest of the guys to play like these East Coast teams but they just simply cant do that. And I do think that Lebron has surpassed Kobe as the best in the game. THe guy can do it all. He has a great jumpshot now and when you sag off of him, he’ll drain it in your face. The man is nearly complete.
The guys think they can turn it on
If you read between the lines of their comments, it sounds as if Pau thinks he will play differently in the playoffs. I sure hope so.
From Kevin Ding’s column at the OC register
Varejao was diligently powering through what Pau Gasol later admitted was a weak box-out …
Gasol acknowledged he settled time after time for his jumper instead of driving and duplicating the moments when he was having his most success.
"Hopefully," Gasol said, "the next time I am in that position and things don’t work out a couple of times, I’m able to shake that off and step up to the plate."
Now don’t kill the messenger, I am not saying Gasol will get tough when it matters, it just sounds like he doesn’t think its worth it for a regular season game to me.
One thing that does have me leaning that way is how he and Bynum started out 2009 after having to hear about how soft they were against the 2008 Celtics. They started out beastly with their manhood to prove, and halfway through almost said “OK, we can do this”, and put it away until the playoffs.
I can’t imagine how upset you must have been that the Rockets took the Lakers to seven games. But that ended in a title, and you gotta be happy with that, it’s not easy to win a chip. Whatever way they can get it, I will take it. So I won’t be criticizing all that much until they lose that title of “NBA Champs”. In case you haven’t forgotten, that’s who they are.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 22, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
yeah, i hope this lights a fire under the bigs' asses
but we’ll see. We have one more chance to prove we arent soft against Boston. If we get punked and lose and Pau doesnt do anything, then I wont believe that this team will win the title.
by desecrator09 on Jan 22, 2010 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
hahah just because we are soft (which were are) doesnt mean we cant win the title.
Phil Jackson hasn’t won 10 titles because he is lucky. The guy knows how to devise game plans and manage playoff series. I wouldn’t be surprised if Phil held the lakers back on purpose.
It’s not like Bill Wellington or Luc Longley were the most physical players in the world. I firmly believe, that despite our soft interior, Phil will come up with a game plan to utilize our “softness” to our advantage by utilizing Pau and Bynum’s speed and quickness advantages.
In Kobe we trust!
by robi s on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thats a very good point actually
hopefully there is a way to use that speed and quickness. Rec’d
by desecrator09 on Jan 22, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
One game anomaly on the jumpshot.
It comes and goes and still isn’t consistent. And his footwork is still terrible. And his post-game is still suspect. His offensive aresenal has improved, but he’s still either a driver or a spot shooter. He’s not as good off the dribble as he is when he gets it open and just shoots. Last night an exception as it is on some nights, but the mean doesn’t lie.
just because he doesnt have as many offensive skills as Kobe
doesnt mean Kobe is better. Lebron is still more EFFECTIVE than Kobe because he’s so physically strong and athletic that he’s impossible to stop. A great example of this is that the great Boston defense from 08 couldnt stop Lebron at all but it was able to stop Kobe even though Kobe had more help around him. So just because he isnt as skilled as Kobe doesnt mean he’s the better player because those skills can be stopped much easier than Lebron’s physicality and athleticism. I’d much rather have a player who’s more EFFECTIVE than skilled because a great defense can stop a greatley skilled player but not a great, physical, more effective player.
by desecrator09 on Jan 22, 2010 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
It's a matter of personal taste
Kobe = Batman
Lebron = Superman
Me, I like the Dark Knight. But the Man of Steel has superpowers.
But also remember, Superman has kryptonite … now if we can just figure out what it is …
BTW Michael Jordan is Wonder Woman.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Jan 22, 2010 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
naaah!
KB is still the best,let him heal up.
I can’t disagree with CA more. Pau had a horrible game for his standards and he can and will rebound. To say that Pau will be dominated by Z is laughable and I know he can be better. LO can also be better because he has dominated the likes of Varejao and Hickson before. We were in control of the game for almost 3 quarters and still in the game at the end. Cleveland is not better than us and unlike what most people said we played better than Christmas but did not approach the game as it was Game 7 of the NBA finals like the Cavs did. That was the difference.
Pau was being guarded by Shaq mostly
he’s scared shitless of him. I dont see him doing much against him. And the Cavs had no Mo and we still couldnt beat them. YEah, on paper it doesnt look like the Cavs have chance against us but thats why theyplay the games. The Cavs play, dirty, gritty, defensive East Coast ball and as proven by Boston in 08, it works against us.
by desecrator09 on Jan 22, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
Everybody Calm Down
Dude, just chill. Championships are not won or lost in January. Orlando beat us twice in the regular season and you saw what happened to them in the finals. 2 losses to Cleveland = 1 blowout + 1 close game = 2 poorly officiated = Lakers still have they best record and there’s a lot of games to be played.

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