The Lakers Have Inquired About Devin Harris
This from ESPN's Ric Bucher on his podcast today. No further details from Ric about when this inquiry occurred or what, if anything specific, the Lakers offered to give up. No handicapping from him, either, on the odds of a deal, so just throw it on the rumor pile.
For what it's worth, a trade for Devin Harris would be pretty easy to get done under the salary cap. He makes a relatively modest $8.4 million this year and has three years (after this one) left on this contract. A combination of Adam Morrison and either Jordan Farmar or Shannon Brown would satisfy salary-matching rules and free up money for New Jersey to make their offseason free-agent push.
(H/T our homies at Orlando Pinstriped Post.)
Update: Here's the actual quote from Ric. Thanks, Ben R.
As good as the Lakers can be, I don’t see them being dominant. I know that they inquired about Harris from the Nets, which to me says they are very worried about their perimeter defense and they got to be looking at that Ron Artest for Trevor Ariza trade and going: “God, you know what, Derek Fisher is older than we tought, Jordan Farmar is not a defensive presence, Kobe Bryant is going to be driving one of these wheelies to get up and down the floor here any second, what are we going to do in a situation where we’re playing against a really quick perimeter player, maybe more than one? We’re in tough spot."
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This would be for Farmar and Morrison, because Farmar is going to be a free agent?
I can’t imagine the Lakers giving up Shannon Brown because of the investment they made in developing him within the triangle.
I wouldn’t think that they would do this either, for Farmar if it weren’t his last year on contract.
It takes some time to teach a player the triangle, and there’s no guarantee Harris would be as effective as Farmar, so you would be trading a known quantity for an unknown.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Both Farmar and Brown could be gone after this year
After this season Farmar becomes a restricted free agent. Shannon has a $2.1 million player option that he could decline and become unrestricted.
by DexterFishmore on Jan 20, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
dont know how brown would turn that down or want to go anywhere else.
he is still progressing as a player, and is loved in LA. Or I am just hoping he doesnt leave, I guess.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
I dont think Shannon will leave either. He really love Los Angeles, ive seen him at some parties and clubs.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
definently a huge fan favorite, along with mbenga
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
hey dex
i heard this on the radio this morning.
if i hear something like this, is there a way i can send you the info, or tell you about it.
im relatively new to ss&r
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
Yeah, sure
Just drop me an email at dexterfishmore at Gmail. There are also some links on the left-hand column of the front page to send stuff to both me and C.A.
by DexterFishmore on Jan 20, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions
K.
Didnt know how to relay the info. I posted it on some other fanposts, but had no idea how to get it to someone who could write an article.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
I would rather see this for Farmar
than Brown. And of course, the contract of Ammo. I think Brown has a more versatile upside, provided he doesn’t watch too much of himself on YouTube and have his agent talk him into thinking he’s worth a shitload of cash next season. This would mean the end of the Bynum-for-Bosh scenario, though. (Which probably means it was never a real possibility)
however
im not at all worried about our offense, as long as we are all healthy.
i worry about our ability to stop the others teams pg from penetrating. if this deal does happen, you can still keep fish in the starting lineup to show harris how it is run. have harris run the second unit, which is sometimes a more run and gun group with LO and UPS.
I just think this is a huge upgrade on the defensive end. We might actually be able to keep up with the quick guards on other teams.
pull the trigger. harris for ammo and farmar.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
eventually,
but it woudl take him a while to get the triangle down. i wouldnt expect it to take him long though. he seems like an intelligent player.
i was just saying, keep him with the second unit, until he gets the system.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
unfortunately, i don't know if NJ is actually going to shop him.
he’s a solid #2 if they want to attract big name agents. him and lopez would be great assets for any superstar.
with the cap space they have they could be good next year.
if they did get the first pick in john wall, who is a pg, they could be sitting pretty well next year. if they clear the cap space by trading harris, they will have the most cap space in the league. and the possible move to brooklyn is inticing for superstars, and ny is a huge market.
its a long shot but imagine: wall, lebron, amare (or bosh) and lopez as 4 of yoru starting 5.
it makes alot of sense for both teams to do this deal.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
God Lord all I want is Devin Harris for Christmas
well in this case I want him by the All Star Game.
Wow I can just imagine a staring line up with Harris in it.
This would mean bye bye to the days of being torched by speedy point guards such as the detestable Aaron Brooks and equally detestable Tony Parker.
I love CP3 and DW8 because I obviously would love to have them on the Lake show however Harris would be the next best option after these two otherworldly PG’s.
if this deal happens
it would be quite a change for harris
going from worst team in the NBA to the one with the best record…hehe
theres a possibility it could happen
new jersey is a desperate team and they can trade harris to clear up cap for the summer free agent market…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
think about farmar point of view though...
missing out on a possibly getting another ring to going to the possibly the worst team ever in the history of the nba.
that sux.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
***farmar's
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
DO IT!!!!!!!
I would normally be a little hesitant but i think for obvious reasons we should do it.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
This is too good to be true, obviously.
But if it happens, Mitch truly is a genius. He would have essentially turned Vladimir Radmonivic and Jordan Farmer into Shannon Brown and Devin Harris.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
people under estimate marc so much its sad,
the man is a double double every game.
" I'm a human, not a sandwich"
by true_lakerfan on Jan 21, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
farmar * can't believe i did that...
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
OMG PLEASE!!!!! DO ITTTTTTTTTTTTTT
i’ve worshipped this guy since his mavs days. i stopped liking the mavs after he left. i pity the nets though. i actually think they have a pretty good young core going w/ harris, lopez, yi, lee, and the chris guy. didnt think they would fail this miserably
i might miss farmie’s dumbo ears though.
you still got mbenga's ears
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
If only Ric Bucher was right a quarter as often as he is wrong
This was the guy that said Kobe’s days in a Laker uni were over, among other things
Devin Harris--makes perfect sense
The Nets will probably have the worst record by the end of the year, thus guaranteeing them at least the third overall draft pick next year. With so many point guards taken in last year’s draft by lottery teams (Curry, Flynn, Rubio, Evans, Jennings) this almost guarantees the Nets will be able to draft John Wall with either the 1st, 2nd or 3rd overall draft pick.
Dude you're totally correct!!! most teams
would sell AMMO’s house to get John Wall in the draft!! ( I know I would).
This makes complete sense because even though they lose Harris for the year they would get Wall for the future and hopefully we can re-sign Farmar. Lets face it this kid is a Laker thru and thru and him as a back up to Harris aint a bad idea
No we have to trade Farmar to make it work,if he becomes free agent hell no, leave him be, we got Shannon as backup.
The RaiderLaker
I know we would have to trade him but I like him as a Laker
anyway I just found this interesting little bit of trivia over on espn where they were debating Shaqs’ idea to have Kobe and VC compete with his coward sorry I mean Client Lebron James.
“Nuts on a chest = Chestnuts, Nuts on wall = Walnuts, Nuts on Shaq’s Chin aren’t Chin Nuts they’re Lebron’s!!!!”
This has got to be the statement of the year so far.
Why the hell should Kobe or Vince who have already paid their dues and WON compete against a guy who said he WOULD but backed out like a coward/client?
john wall will be the first pick by far
there is huge fall off of talent behind him in the draft. the man is beastly.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
Move over, MJ; Kobe is making his case
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bk/bkn/6822411.html
Granted, all the numbers favor MJ: six NBA titles, five MVP awards and 10 scoring titles to Kobe’s four NBA titles, one MVP and one scoring title. MJ averaged 30.1 points, 6.2 rebounds and 5.3 assists a game; for Kobe, it’s 25.3 points, 5.3 rebounds and 4.6 assists.
(Note: This is somewhat unrelated, but although Plato had better numbers than Socrates, most serious thinkers consider Socrates the better philosopher.)
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Ah. I doubt this gets done. I'm don't trust Puker much like Peter Vescey. If true though, I think
this says a lot about the Lakers interest in taking on a large contract, provided the player is worth that much scratch.
At least the Lakers are doing their due diligence.
You don't mean thiiiiiis Harris do you? (sarcasm)
Greatest Harris video ever
Second Greatest Harris video ever
Shaquille O'neal: "I’m like President Bush. You may not like me, you may not respect me, but you voted me in." (Referring to his selection into the 2007 All-Star Game despite missing most of the season due to injury.) (courtesy of shaqquotes.com)
but honestly, Do it!!!
Shaquille O'neal: "I’m like President Bush. You may not like me, you may not respect me, but you voted me in." (Referring to his selection into the 2007 All-Star Game despite missing most of the season due to injury.) (courtesy of shaqquotes.com)
if D Harris can't guard some random british dude, do we really want him?
Just kidding!…kind of.
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
Farmar/Morrison for Harris would be an even more one-sided trade than the Gasol one.
This is very unlikely to happen. However, I think the Lakers can still hope to grab him in the offseason if the Nets land John Wall.
did you read the post? Losing Farmar / Morrison = Lakers have room
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
i forgot harris isn't going to be a FA this summer (lakers still don't have room to sign what harris is worth anyway)
still, if the trade doesn’t happen now (when we can still use morrison as a trade chip), then the chances of it happening in the off season arn’t going to be any higher.
Would be nice!
Would definitely love to see this happen…but rotowire has a possible trade of Harris/ CDR for Caron butler.. So the nets are apparently shopping him..which means there could be some possiblity of this being actually talked about.
by apathygood on Jan 20, 2010 6:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The list of books Phil will hand out the players in anticipation for the 8 game road trip. (via Jeanie Buss’s Twitter)
1) Derek Fisher – “Soul on Ice” by Eldridge Cleaver
2) Adam Morrison – “Che” – Sid Jacobson and Ernie Colon – a Graphic Biography of Che Guevara
3) Shannon Brown – “Dreams from My Father” by Barack Obama
4) Josh Powell – “The Souls of Black Folk” – W.E.B. Du Bois
5) Lamar Odom – “The Right Mistake” by Walter Mosley
6) Andrew Bynum – “Six Easy Pieces” by Walter Mosley (1of Phil’s favorite authors)
This makes a lot of sense for both sides
As is well-chronicled, New Jersey has made everyone available aside from Brook Lopez, which makes sense given their youth movement. Given that they’re a mortal lock to finish with the worst record in the league at this juncture, their chances of getting Wall are pretty high (relatively speaking) and it’s obvious that Harris is going through the motions.
From a basketball sense, this does a couple things:
1) It solves our point guard problem on defense. No seriously, Harris is easily on the shortlist of players that are shutdown defenders at the point guard spot. There’s a reason that Tony Parker openly told the media he was ecstatic when Harris was traded from Dallas because Harris harassed him like no other defender in the league. Harris is also the stereotypical big guard that can cross-match against two guards that Phil likes.
2) It gives us a free-throw sponge. We currently ranking near the bottom of the league in free-throw rate, which can be attributed to a variety of factors (Kobe getting less free throws, more post-ups, lots of midrange game), so that’s a positive.
Couple of thoughts to throw in on possible obstacles or downsides though:
1) New Jersey’s rationale for trading Harris is odd, given that they already have gobs of cap space. Harris is still pretty young, so unless they’re getting Wall, which isn’t a complete certainty, trading him has its own risks. That said, Harris is obviously mailing it in this year, so trading for cap space and a nice young player (Farmar) might give the team a bit of a spark, and given that New Jersey’s rebuilding plan is pretty-long-term, it might be a good move.
2) Harris is not a good three-point shooter. His numbers in New Jersey are deceptive because he’s largely shooting contested ones off the dribble, but even if you take his best numbers in Dallas (35.7%), it’s not especially good. This might further force Kobe to the perimeter and puts a lot more emphasis on Artest to take up some of the slack also.
Altogether though, if Harris is really available, I’d say take it. It’s hard to find a better upgrade. Also, interesting tidbit — Harris is cheaper than Hinrich, and by far has way more upside.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
by Ben R on Jan 20, 2010 6:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
id go for it
it would take too much sacrifices to get bosh
harris is a lot more realistic to get because:
1. the nets are desperate and are possibly looking at the summer free agent market
2. harris might jump at the offer considering the state of woe the nets are in
and plus we need to focus on improving the bench
the starting 5 right now is pretty stacked…this trade makes a lot more sense
to make the trade happen we would have to give up farmar most likely since having 3 point guards on one team is too much and or ammo, sasha, etc…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
I wouldn't put a lot of stock into that
Whatever system they have now is getting thrown out the window with the new coach this summer.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
There's no offer for Harris to jump at
He’d have no say in the matter.
by DexterFishmore on Jan 20, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
lol okay, i just listened to the podcast
and all they said was that the Lakers had slight interest in him. They didnt even talk about it alot so that prolly means that theres hardly any legs to it. So lets settle down cats, cuz this is another one of those things that Bucher pulls out of his ass in order to create hype.
It's not pulled out of his ass
It’s undeniable that the front office made an inquiry about Harris’ availability. Whether it has any legs past there is something to be seen.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
That's not what he said
He said the Lakers have inquired to the Nets about Harris. He didn’t assess the Lakers’ level of interest.
by DexterFishmore on Jan 20, 2010 7:32 PM PST up reply actions
An amusing irony
If this actually went down, the Gasol trade, which forced Cuban to speed the wheels on the Kidd trade, will have parlayed Harris ultimately not to New Jersey, but to the very team he was trying to match.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I would do it just to provoke a reaction from Pop
He’s hilarious.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
O man! this is pretty juicy. Unlike the other trade rumors I’ve heard over the year, this trade rumor actually seem very plausible, as the Nets are gonna try to clean house from this disastrous team they’ve assembled.
No offense to fisher, but having a PG that is fast and penetrate?!? we havent had that in LA in yearrsss. I’m actually salivating at this trade possiblity
In Kobe we trust!
Triangle Guards do not penetrate
That is the job of the wings (2, 3, 4). When was the last time you recall Fisher, Shaw, or Harper penetrating? More or less, outside shooters.
devin harris???
is he any good at defending?
Have you watched basketball for the last few years?
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
yes
and devin harris is shooting 38 percent from the field and 20 from 3 pointers this year…
last year he was 43 percent from the field and 30 from 3. pointer….
so he MUST be a GREAT defender right?? for everyeon to be so overly excited about him..
You apparently haven't been watching basketball
If you’re just throwing out stats without any context behind them. First, Harris is a free-throw sponge, so it makes those numbers slightly illusive, especially because he was the first option in New Jersey’s offense. Compare them to his Dallas numbers, in which he is higher than 48.3% from the field in every year except his rookie year. Also, his three-point shooting is significantly better than that number, per his Dallas numbers. His numbers in general this year are also worth nothing really since he’s obviously been mailing it the entire year and he was playing hurt for a while.
And yes, he’s a superb defender. Per the quote below, he hounded Parker in the classic Dallas-San Antonio contests, and he was an elite backcourt defender. This has obviously diminished in New Jersey because he’s had to take on more defensive responsibilities, but it hasn’t disappeared into thin air.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
offensive responsibilities*
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I thought it was against the rules to insult people
If someone called me Dick Vitale thyey’d be askin for a fight
Dick Vitale is a worse than awful. Those months when he was out because of surgery where the best months in college basketball commentating ever.
If you think Dick Vitale is a basketball expert
I might have some issues with your definition :p
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Anyhow, I was slightly irked because his answer
Was obvious from the numerous posts above. If I came off as arrogant, then I apologize, but it doesn’t excuse a quick read of the posts before shooting off a question.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
another reason harris is not that great..
he is an injury machine.. but yes i agree that morrison plus shannon/farmar would be a steal
He is injury-prone
But a lot of that is playing a lot of minutes in high-usage situations, which wouldn’t be the case here. Positives outweigh the benefits, as you asserted.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Some perspective:
"To be honest with you, I’m really happy for that trade. Diop was doing a good job on us. And Devin Harris, most of the time, he played good against us. So I thought it would be good for us. No disrespect to Jason Kidd, he’s a great point guard, but those guys that left always gave us trouble." — Tony Parker
http://www.netsdaily.com/blog/?p=445
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
If anyone wants to listen to the Bucher comment themselves
Go here, scroll down to the "Media" box on the lefthand side of the page, click on "Podcasts" and listen to the 1/20 clip. The quote is at about the 24:30 mark.
I"m not sure I got that long to live
I reckon you done what you done because you didn't know we was who we was. And if we hadn't been who we was, we'd have still been much obliged for you to have done what you done.
Or I can just grab it out of ESPN rumors:
“As good as the Lakers can be, I don’t see them being dominant. I know that they inquired about Harris from the Nets, which to me says they are very worried about their perimeter defense and they got to be looking at that Ron Artest for Trevor Ariza trade and going: “God, you know what, Derek Fisher is older than we tought, Jordan Farmar is not a defensive presence, Kobe Bryant is going to be driving one of these wheelies to get up and down the floor here any second, what are we going to do in a situation where we’re playing against a really quick perimeter player, maybe more than one? We’re in tough spot.’” — Ric Bucher
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Probably should post it at the top of the page, no?
Would be a nice context to have.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Not necessarily
It doesn’t help that they have to collapse into the paint constantly to stop penetration. Better to not have the problem than compensate to solve the problem.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
End of 3rd + 4th Qtr Dominations
“Jordan Farmar is not a defensive presence.” This is caused by good defense leading to transition offense. It has came off the bench from Farmar and Brown.
After the last 10 games, I am not sure PJ wants to disrupt the 3rd and 4th qtr lineups.
what bucer is saying in the espn article is somewhat right. i think we have issues when it comes to guarding fast perimeter players. artest isn’t fast enough to guard quick wing players. but damn, what kind of message would the lakers be sending fisher? moreover, that would pretty mean he would be relegated to the end of the bench. i want to keep shannon. i would part with farmar and morrison. i think this would benefit us more than trading for any other position. what if we get ariza back for morrison’s expiring contracts? he can play shooting guard as well? i miss his game.
i think even fisher knows his career i scoming to a close,
how can anyone deny it.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
Even throw in Fish to make it more sexy... we cannot afford other great teams to get him.
Although unlikely.
The RaiderLaker
lol…nah, d-fish is a general. we will need his clutch shooting in the playoffs. he can come off the bench for us. besides, kobe loves him.
Why would another team want D-fish?
I think he would be a detriment in a trade. The only system he fits in is ours
i doubt they will throw in Dfish
hes done so much for the team over the years and hes a veteran leader
i doubt phil or buss will let him go…
"Just by the aura of D.J. Mbenga being there, the shot missed."
what are you talking about dude!?
i may not be d-fish’s biggest fan either, but I can still see that he has tremendous value for us, specifically during the last 5 mins in close games. You can’t call yourself a laker fan, if you don’t respect all the times he’s bailed us out with either a timely charge, steal, or 3
In Kobe we trust!
do i mention,
a game we were down in the playoffs with only .4 seconds remaining.
"A true laker fan is the only one in the room who believes there is still a chance, even though there is only .4 seconds left on the clock." - CG
interesting that every scuffle the lakers have been involved in this season, artest has not been a part of them.
Why do I always miss the comment party?^^^^
Anyway I know someone above probably already said what I was thinking but this is interesting, I don’t think the Lakers are too worry as Ric Bucher was quoted above but if Lakers make an upgrade, I am all for it.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
***too worried
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but has anyone realized that if we get Harris
how much of an improvement it would be if the Lakers brought Fisher off the bench. This is just my opinion and someone can probably prove me wrong with some sort of Stat. I think that if the Lakers have a lead and the bench comes in and tries to run a fastbreak offense rather than run the Triangle, that would give the opposition a chance to score more points. I say this because I think Fisher coming off the bench would be best when the Lakers have big leads.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 20, 2010 9:53 PM PST reply actions
actually, I don't know about fish comming off the bench.
he’s pretty much only effective with starters (drawing away the defense) at this point. I’m more for letting him start, but giving harris (assuming the trade actually does happen) the major minutes (30+)
You are right
after I clicked on “POST” I realized that the triangle is too complicated to give it to a new PG right away to manage. But giving him half a season to learn it, come playoff time he could do well. But I especially agree with you on giving him major minutes.
"If you want to find the dumbest guy in the room just find the first guy to tell you how smart he is." - JG
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Jan 20, 2010 10:00 PM PST up reply actions

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