The Credits (Updated)
Training camp is looming and the links are back. Real basketball talk is back. We'll keep today's links Lakers related and basketball only. By that, I mean NO Lamar and Khloe links!
***UPDATED with Phil Jackson's presser and some audio/video...***
- Lakers' Phil Jackson takes it one year at a time, and this one looks good -- latimes.com
- Phil Jackson talks with the media: Part I | Lakers Blog | Los Angeles Times
- Lakers' Jackson: It's time to focus - LA Daily News
- Vujacic’s future: the long and short of it - Lakers blog - OCRegister.com
- Phil Jackson: 2009-10 Intro Presser at Lakers.com BasketBlog
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Sporting News' NBA Athlete of the Decade: Kobe Bryant, SG, Lakers
Our choices for seven athletes of the decade--one in each sport we cover--sparked some intense debate. In the NBA, Kobe Bryant edged the Spurs' Tim Duncan.
(The Player of the Decade who plays for the Team of the Decade.) - NBA Basketball Power Rankings - National Basketball Association - ESPN
Cue KRS-One's "#1" - Preseason Power Poll: Lakers Still on Top - Sean Deveney - The Baseline - Sporting News
Who else? - Forum Blue And Gold " How Do You Fit Artest Into A Triangle?
- LakersGround.net :: Ron Artest in the Triangle Offense :: LG Blog
(Hat tip to FB & G) - X’s & O’s of Basketball
Learn more about our Lakers' Triangle Offense. There are quite a few posts in this link. Make sure you read ithem. Keep Lakers' fans the most intelligent by knowing how our offense is supposed to work. So, that when someone comments why "such and such is a prototypical Triangle player" or what pass or shot should be made, you'll know why. Or why not. - Ron Artest: A primer | Lakers Blog | Los Angeles Times
- Richard Jefferson on Ron Artest at Lakers.com BasketBlog (New)
- Bulls, Lakers, Rockets among teams facing critical roster holes - Phil Miller - SI.com
Lakers point guard: Derek Fisher
Audio/Video:
- LA Times Lakers Blog Kam Bros. PodKast
- Kobe Bryant - Greatness Personified
(Hat tip to TrueHoop)- Phil Jackson Press Conference Video
(Hat tip to PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE)
Click on through to read more Lakers Links. More after the Jump...
Lakers Nation breaksdown the Lakers' Top 5's:
- Top 5 Lakers Centers
- Top 5 Lakers Power Forwards
- Top 5 Lakers Small Forwards
- Top 5 Lakers Shooting Guards
- Top 5 Lakers Point Guards
- Top 5 Lakers Celebrity Fans
My #1 picks are Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Ammo, Von Wafer, Smush and Khloe.
- SLAM ONLINE | " Top 50: Lamar Odom, no. 33
- Shaq vs. Wilt: Power-point presentation - NBA News - FOX Sports on MSN
- Tip-Off Timer: Lakers' Amazing 33-Game Win Streak May Never Be Topped -- NBA FanHouse
Pay attention to this ref situation
- SportsBusiness Journal: NBA Locks Out Referees - The Baseline - The Baseline - Sporting News
- NBA Trying to 'Robotize' Its Referees -- NBA FanHouse
....and here's something to get you a little fired up:
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The biggest surprise to me in regards to the Power Rankins is that it mentions that KG is stil hurt. I didn’t realize that it was even that serious. But I guess since he’s been hurt Doc Rivers has been feeding the media nothing but bullshit about his health. By the way, did anyone notice that Doc didn’t openly admit it until after playoff tickets were sold out. I even read recently that he is doing better but is still not practicing or playing. Sounds like the same lies. Oh well! It’s the Celtics so F them!
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 11:21 AM PDT reply actions
If you read CelticsBlog,
you’ll see a lot of questions. No one knows. Personally, I have thought since the injury forst happened KG and the Celtics are screwed. I wish him well, and ope he comes back, but what kind of knee injury has no explanation of what is wrong and no real time table on when he’s coming back? Sounds pretty serious to me.
I agree
I does sound really serious. Especially about no public explanation about what is actually wrong with him. Could it be possible that it might be career ending? As much as I hate the Celtics I want to see him back so the Lakers play them in the Finals. We are about a month away before the season starts so that is cutting it pretty close. That reminds me, the main reasons I was banned from their is for bringing this topic up.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I could care less about lebron
but now that jay-z has teamed up with this russian dude the cavs will never win a finals in the next 100 years. i cant wait to see lebron in a nets jersey. lakers are in the midst of a six peat
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD YES!
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Ah The Credits, how I've missed you so
Thanks again, wondahbap for these links!!
Meh, I just treat the Paul Pierce talk as it is, talk. Like MJ sang, “talk is cheap, you’re not a man, come on.” When the season starts, we’ll see which team is better. Although I’m pretty sure we proved last year which team was better, but whatever.
And hands down Kobe is the NBA Player of the Decade. How was this even a debate? Gold medalist, check, 4 Time Champion, check, MVP, check, Finals MVP, check, 3-Time All Stars MVP, check, 10 All-Star Appearances this decade, check, 81 points in a game, check, 4 straight 50 point games, check, 6 Finals appearance, check. The list can go on and on …
The amount of achievements and the records that Kobe has reached in this 10 year period has been pretty amazing. Not to mention, his highlight reels and his endorsements that he was getting prior to 2004 and now the endorsements he is getting after 2004, propels him into the spotlight that Tim Duncan hasn’t been able to get.
To me, athlete of the decade means, you were able to remain in the spotlight of your sport as either one of the best in your positions, you won the rings, and you’re a household name. Tim Duncan has achieved a lot and he certainly was one of the best PFs of all time, but he hasn’t achieved the same kind of grandiose that Kobe has on the court (or even off the court).
If you’re going to talk about Team of the Decade or Player of the Decade, count the rings, because in the end, that’s what matters. Or else, Alex Rodriguez would have been Player of the Decade for MLB lolz
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 25, 2009 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
Not sure if I said this before
I think that you are one of the best I have read in regards to presenting your argument without getting inot petty and immature insults of other players/teams. I especially liked the following comment:
The amount of achievements and the records that Kobe has reached in this 10 year period has been pretty amazing. Not to mention, his highlight reels and his endorsements that he was getting prior to 2004 and now the endorsements he is getting after 2004, propels him into the spotlight that Tim Duncan hasn’t been able to get.
It would of taken me a whole page to make that point.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Awww thanks!!
In case anyone thinks I hate Tim Duncan:
As much as I like Duncan, it’s true that he hasn’t reached the status that Kobe has across the globe as a Basketball icon for this decade. I would say that LBJ most definitely will be the one to succeed Kobe, but for this current decade 2000-2009, Kobe definitely outranks Tim Duncan on Player of the Decade. That’s nothing to discount Duncan’s achievements, it’s just, I feel he hasn’t really “represented” the league like Kobe has (even during Kobe’s fall to disgrace).
Even if we compare stats to see who “achieved” more, Kobe’s 81 performance, which is the stuff of legends, just doesn’t compare to what Timmy has done. They both have four rings, sure TD has two more MVPs than Kobe has, but Kobe’s been two the Finals two times more than TD has, etc.
I think the combination of stats, championships, global status is what marks Kobe’s clear status as Player of the Decade over Duncan.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 25, 2009 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
athleticism makes an impression
Duncan—the best 4/5 over the entire decade—achieves what he does by executing the hell out of a relatively modest array of moves. It’s incredibly effective. Even the most Lakersy of all Lakers fans can’t really legitimately deny that over time, Duncan has been the straw that stirs the Spurs’ drink. (Say that a few times fast.) And four titles in nine years is pretty damned impressive.
What it isn’t, however, is thrilling to watch. Duncan has never, as far as I know, sucked eternity out of the Target Center, or gotten Kevin Harlan to say, “How in the world did he do that?” I don’t recall Marv ever calling one of his moves “spectacular.” It’s no knock on Duncan from a superiority perspective; that’s just not the kind of player he is. Contrast this to Kobe, who seems to pick an incredible move out of his pocket (or wherever he keeps them) every other game. And ultimately, basketball is entertainment, the kind of entertainment that people are willing to pay through the nose for. That’s why Kobe has the endorsements. He simply entertains in a way that few do.
And Duncan doesn’t change a game the way Kobe does, in my opinion. He simply does what every post player should do, only much more effectively than anyone else does. If you have to play the Spurs, what are your choices? You double Duncan, maybe, or you front him, or whatever. You play him the same way you play any other very talented big man; the only difference is whatever defense would have limited an average center to 12 points, say, would still allow Duncan 20. He’s going to get his. But you’re not going to change your whole game plan around him.
By comparison, coaches all the time have to figure out something special for Kobe. No doubt that that’s got a lot to do with his outstanding supporting cast. But Kobe has such a varied array of moves that defending him any ordinary way is like trying to squeeze dry sand. Eventually, you’re going to go home empty-handed. LeBron has that, too, and Wade. But my own biased opinion is that no one has as many tools that can be employed with that degree of artistry and cold-hearted precision as Kobe Bean Bryant.
I hear you
But I think he sucked the gravity out of the Target Center.
There’s a difference between being effective and being skilled. I don’t mean that Duncan is not skilled in the basketball sense, it’s more that his method of cutting the Gordian Knot is to cut straight through it, while Kobe actually untangles the knot.
And it’s not even an argument between style and substance, because clearly they are both substantial players. Kobe just happens to have both. And don’t even get me started on Shaq. Shrink him down to 6’9 and he wouldn’t even make it to the D league. Before start playing the “shrink ’em down game”, let me give you a few examples: Hakeem Olajuwon – still pretty damn good at 6’9. Yao Ming? He’d be OK. Duncan – still pretty nifty player. Charles Barkley? Uh, he was 6’3 to begin with. I don’t player the what if ____ were taller game, because that’s a little tougher. But to shrink em down gives you a pretty good idea whether I appreciate their skills or not. Kobe at 6’0 would still be one tough dude to guard. Obviously not as good, but he’d still be pretty sweet.
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
by Gils_Keloids on Sep 25, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
gravity and eternity
He sucked both out. At different times. I have somewhere on my hard drive the clip where he says “eternity.” It was on one of those reverse dunks—might have been the one where he tweeked his shoulder, might have been another one.
I also won’t play the size-changing game, in my case because it smacks of “Why, if I had his height, I’d dominate the NBA!” Yeah, well you don’t have his height, and if you did, chances are very good your body would be clumsier (in scale). That’s physics. Part of the marvel of Shaq is that he is pretty damned agile at seven feet, 350 pounds (aside: allegedly). It is ridiculously impressive to be that agile with that kind of mass to move around; it should not be discounted. And that agility was important to his dominance.
However, all that being said, I don’t think any non-Spurs fan will disagree that Duncan isn’t high on style (enough negatives in one sentence for you?), that Duncan is a Gordian Knot-cutter. Kobe doesn’t just untie the knot, he makes the knot slide up and down, disappear, reappear, and go through the fourth dimension through sleight of hand. We Lakers fans are fortunate and privileged to see this guy work every game, and we still manage to be astonished on a regular basis. Someday, I feel confident, a lot of fans around the league are going to realize too late what they missed. Envy can be such an ugly thing. :)
+1 Brian
There is nothing better in sports than to see Kobe on a hot streak.
I live in Rhode Island, and I try to go see the Lakers when they are in Boston, NY or NJ. I only got to see them in NJ this year, and Kobe had an off night. The Lakers still won, but I felt cheated somehow. I paid to see the Lakers, but I really wanted to see Kobe roast the arena. But it wasn’t just me. It was the whole arena. Lakers and Nets fans waiting on Kobe to heat up.
Pau had a great game that night. But, something about a big man’s game, even one as pretty as Pau’s doesn’t come anywhere near a great perimeter player’s. Especially live.
Did anyone read the Laker Nation top 5 lists?
What a joke. Who does those lists? He can’t be an actual Laker fan.
Baylor is #3 Small forward behind Worthy and Jim Pollard? LOL. Baylor is considered #3 Small Forward of all time and certainly ahead of Worthy and Pollard.
The celebrity fan list is just as bad. I think the guy that wrote the list means “his” favorite celebrities that happen to be Laker fans. LOL.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
are you referring to TheLakersNation.com?
I go on there daily but I didn’t say any list. Do you have the Link?
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The blue box above.
“Lakers Nation breaksdown the Lakers’ Top 5’s:”
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
To answer your question.............No, not the lakers nation. Just Lakers Nation. I didn't know it existed before today.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
that was the first site that I have ever been on. Then i’m sure you didn’t know that it’s original name was GetGarnett.com of course before he signed with that other team. One thing I will tell you about that site is that if you want to find out the latest news about the Lakers that is the site to be on. They have every news that you could get on the Lakers before Espn, Hoopsworld or any of those sites.
Since they are affiliated with am570 which the Lakers station they interviewed Artest’s agent and were the 1st to come out with the Lakers signing of artest. I still go there 1st every day. Anything that I post here I get it from them.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way pslakerfan,
This is the link to the site that I was referring to..
http://thelakersnation.com/blog/
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry.....I should have clarified my comment.
I go to “TheLakersNation.com” all the time. It was “LakersNation.com” that I have never heard of. I agree that TheLakersNation.com is a great place for breaking news, but the comments are lame. A lot of childish crap that I see on a lot of blogs/websites. I suppose that is why I like it here.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Agreed about The Lakers Nation
I love that they post tons of Lakers content, but the comments are ridiculous. One out of 5 comments are intelligent, the rest are either hate-filled, or over the top homerism.
They need filtering for the comments.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 25, 2009 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
not sure filtering is the solution
FB&G has a huge signal-to-noise ratio (as sports blogs go) and achieves that with minimal filtering. As far as I know, it’s all manual moderation. It’s able to get by because essentially the postings are one-at-a-time, and there’s a substantial community of FB&Gers who are dedicated to posting high-content comments. Oh, and swipes at Bill Simmons and Henry Abbott, but what else is new?
Generally, given a choice between boosting signal and filtering noise, I think it’s preferable to figure out a way to boost signal.
By filtering
I mean moderating the comments and deleting some of the more “LaKERZ SUXORZ” type comments.
I know everyone has different ways of running a fanblog, but some comments do need to be moderated and filtered out because it takes away from the quality of conversation that fanblog could achieve.
I always facepalm when I read the comments on LakersNation.
And for FB&G, they do moderate some of the comments and Kurt does delete portions of people’s comments that don’t comply with the rules/guidelines of commenting.
Perhaps LakerNation needs a set of guidelines for commenting too. Moderating is a thankless job, I know, but to boost the quality of conversation amongst fans, I think LakersNation could do with a little moderating of the comments they receive.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 26, 2009 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions
PS and PBS,
100% right. I think that this site has been the most enjoyable I have ever visited. I honestly come here to get educated by everyone in here. I have learned a lot. But I also appreciate TLN for being on top of their Laker-News game. But as far as the subscribers who post I just seen a lot of ignorant comments.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I love their site
And how all their contributors live/breathe the Lakers 24/7, blog Lakers 24/7 and make video highlights for the Lakers 24/7, but the comments on their website are equivalent to the comments on youtube.
I love it when fans defend their team but comments like
Kobe has been good every single year. duncan sucks and so do the spurs. They can’t hang. Where are they now. Lakers are always in the mix because of Kobe. This is a player award not a team award.
Just make me facepalm. Now, that’s probably not a comment that deserves to be deleted, but I would hope that the moderator or whomever that wrote the article would reply to it, chiding the commentator.
Still, I guess the way the Lakers Nation is set up, it’s very similar to SlamOnline. You get the intelligent comment, and you’ll get the less intelligent comments. Either way, it gets difficult to moderate and sort out the “good” comments from the “bad” comments. But Lakers Nation doesn’t get half as many comments as Slam Online does, which is why I suggested moderation or replying back like Kurt (or the other main contributors) sometimes does on FB&G.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 26, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Thnx for clarifying.
I scrolled up and clicked on the link and you are right I have never heard of that site.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 25, 2009 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
depends on whether you mean overall or as a Lakers player
Kareem is Kareem, of course. I think the reason you don’t see Wilt higher is not that he wasn’t a better player than Mikan—he was, I think, by any standard—but because he enjoyed a lot of his success elsewhere.
I also think, when you’re judging players across eras, you sort of have to judge them by the standards of their era. And Mikan utterly dominated his era. He motivated the first widening of the key (which, once upon a time, actually kind of looked like a key). Any time they change a rule because of the way you’re taking over the game…ehh, I’d say that’s pretty dominant.
Gasol is where he is in large part because he’s only had a year-and-a-half to establish his Lakers reputation. Give him time and he’ll move up, although whether it’s as a 4 or a 5 remains to be seen.
What do you think his excuse is regarding Elgin Baylor behind Worthy and Pollard?
He was better than both and played 14 seasons as a Laker.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
my guess is that titles play a role
I don’t know a damned thing about Pollard, so can’t say about him. But Worthy’s role in four title campaigns must have influenced the tally. I think it’s important as always to remember that these lists—being totally unofficial—represent a particular perspective on what marks a player as great. If you value titles over scoring and athleticism, you’re going to bump Worthy up and Baylor down; if you value scoring and athleticism over titles, you’re going to do the reverse. (Not that Worthy wasn’t athletic. He just wasn’t as athletic as Baylor.) These lists always say more about who’s doing the lists than who’s on the lists.
I have always thought it a cryin’ shame that Baylor couldn’t finish out that last season and get the title that he must have wanted so badly. He’d be more prominently recognized, I think, if he had won the ring that year.
I know that you are just guessing as to his reasoning so don't take my response as a response to you, but.....
That reasoning is a load of crap. Titles can be a tie-breaker, but should never determine which player is better. For example most people put Duncan ahead of Malone and Barkley because they are relatively equal but Duncan won more titles. Titles are a team statistic (as we all know) and not an individual one. If Worthy or Pollard (especially Pollard) were even close to Baylor I wouldn’t argue the titles won theory, but the differences are massive.
Pollard is to Baylor as Robert Horry is to Karl Malone. Sure Horry has more titles but there is no comparison. Here are Pollard and Baylor’s career numbers side by side (years played as a Laker, points, rebounds, assists)
Pollard (7 / 14 / 8 / 3)
Baylor (14 / 27 / 13.5 / 4)
Not to mention Baylor is one of the NBA’s 50 greatest players, and is rated as the 3rd best SF of all time behind Bird and Havlicek. Pollard isn’t even in the discussion. Considering Baylor played twice as many seasons as a Laker, the argument becomes a joke.
Elgin Baylor is the fourth highest scoring player in NBA history per 48 minutes behind Jordan, Kobe, and Jerry West. Not only were ALL of those points scored as a Laker, but most were scored WITH Jerry West as a teammate.
Like I said, a joke. Maybe that is why I have never heard of their site before today. Honestly he might be the most underrated player in NBA history because of the lack of championships.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
you're entitled to your opinion
But frankly there are lots of things I’d rather be talking about than whether these subjective lists are a joke just because we don’t happen to share the guy’s criteria.
These lists have no significance whatsoever. They’re purely talking points. You’re free to make your own lists. I have no reliable idea about it, but my guess is that this guy is not actually stupid, and that we’d probably all agree on that if we met him. So the alternative is just that he’s using a different set of measuring sticks than we would.
Normally I would agree with you, but if I had a site called LakerNation.........
And made a list that claimed Derek Fisher was the greatest point guard in Laker history (which is about equal to his point) you might tend to disagree. Of course he is entitled to write whatever he wants, and I am entitled to bash the shit out of his opinion if it is ridiculous and makes Laker fans look like mindless idiots that don’t understand basketball or Laker history.
Again if his list was even remotely close to reality I wouldn’t have even mentioned it (actually some of his other players are off a bit too), but this one was ridiculous. I would imagine if you polled Laker players, management, coaches, or longtime fans, you would see Baylor ranked above Pollard about 98% of the time. I think 98% goes a bit beyond opinion and borders on plain stupidity.
As for what you would rather be talking about………you seem awfully interested in this discussion. Feel free to start another less subjective one. Is that possible? What about sports (in the off-season) isn’t subjective?
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
hmm...other topics
There’s Henry Abbott’s post on fouling up three in the final seconds of a game. In principle, that’s an objective question. I’m not sure it’s really answerable, in the sense that it’s probably impossible to have enough information to answer the question definitively, but it’s something we could toss around. Or, we could talk about what is likely to happen with the defense now that Kurt Rambis is gone. I liked the principles of the SS zone, but I think that it could be used as more of an option, rather than as the standard.
Actually, I’m less intrigued by the lists than by your being upset by them, or the notion that there’s some “reality” out there that these lists could be close to. I don’t think “reality” is the right word. Consensus, maybe, which I agree these lists aren’t too close to. And I don’t recall him calling Fisher the best Lakers point guard (he listed Magic, didn’t he?) or that he represented Lakers fans. Anyway, another possibility is that he’s just trying to be obscure (or more charitably, trying to get some attention for a perhaps underappreciated player). I hope you understand I’m not trying to defend so much as I’m trying to explain. And also saying that if you’re so sure this guy’s opinion is BS, why are you so upset by it? Surely the vast majority of Lakers fans have no idea who this guy is, or even that these lists exist!
“Surely the vast majority of Lakers fans have no idea who this guy is, or even that these lists exist!”
It was part of the credits……the part in the big blue box……?? Aren’t we talking about the credits here? Maybe if you don’t like the topic you should complain to wondahbap about the quality of his posts instead?
“And I don’t recall him calling Fisher the best Lakers point guard (he listed Magic, didn’t he?)”
Of course he listed Magic. It was an analogy, I though that was fairly clear. As in “putting Fisher ahead of Magic is just as ridiculous as putting Pollard ahead of Baylor”.
Again, you seem to have a bigger problem with my opinion of his list than I do of the list myself. You didn’t write the list did you? If you did, I apologize it is a great list.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Hey
I think what Brian is saying is that there is no need to be all worked up over a list/ranking. Even if it is unrealistic and bordering on ridiculous. Let them have their fun. It will not affect reality.
@Brian – You’re always on even keel man. Also very sharp. Nice.
Power Rankings would be a good example
All year long, the pundits would put the Cavs as #1.
Whatever. Power Rankings mean NOTHING.
Because in the end, the Lakers won and the Cavs were really more like #4. Even the Nuggets outlasted them longer in the Conference Finals.
But I understand pslakerfan’s annoyance with lists.
Sometimes lists are created to cause controversy (like the Kelly Dwyer’s crappy Top 10 Teams Not to Win a Championship in this Decade list) or they’re created with little thought put into them.
Obviously, we’ll all disagree with lists and rankings when it comes to assessing who’s the best or which team’s the best, but that’s what lists are, very subjective opinions that we’re not all going to necessarily agree with.
Which is then when we make our own list lol
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 26, 2009 1:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Some of KD's lists were awful.
He got a ton of negative comments, but that’s the thing. It was a ton of comments none the less. Which is the whole point of what he does.
Obviously, we’ll all disagree with lists and rankings when it comes to assessing who’s the best or which team’s the best, but that’s what lists are, very subjective opinions that we’re not all going to necessarily agree with.
You hit the nail on the head.
I misread your thing about Fisher...
…because I didn’t read the subject line as the first part of that sentence. So I totally missed the “if I had a site called LakerNation” part. Heh. Sorry about that.
I don’t have a problem at all with the topic, nor do I even really have a problem with your opinion of it, honestly. Just intrigued, as I said. As wonderful and popular a credits-poster as wondahbap is, I doubt that more than a few percent of Lakers fans overall will even see those lists. altree is exactly right: I am saying that there’s no need to be worked up over this silly list thing. altree has also done me the favor of restating that point much more concisely!
Altree can kiss my ass.............
OK, just kidding. Maybe I am a bit too worked up about the lists. For some reason it doesn’t bother me when a Laker hater messes up a list like that, but when a supposed Laker fan does, it pisses me off. I guess it makes us all look a little dumber by association or something. I still think you are just as worked up about my opinion as I was about the list, but who gives a shit anyway. Lets play basketball already.
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And to completely beat a dead horse......
LeBron’s first 6 seasons vs. Baylor’s first 6 seasons:
LeBron 6’-8" SF (27.5ppg, 7rpg, 6.7apg) pretty damn good
Baylor 6’-5" SF (31.2ppg, 16rpg, 4.4apg) better than pretty damn good.
I’m just sayin’
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
About the PG situation
I don’t think it’s as critical as, say the Rocket’s lack of big men, since it’ll only be a problem if D-Fish really falls off the map offensively and defensively or if Kobe, Pau, LO, Artest, and Drew become useless.
Last year, we were more than able to survive without a strong PG since TA, Kobe, Pau, and LO played so strongly. This year, with the addition of Ron and hopefully the re-emergence of Drew, they can cover our PG’s weaknesses.
Of course, it’s still better to have all the positions be covered to have a better chance at repeating. That’s when Jordie and Shannon really need to step up. Otherwise, by midseason, I think we might get a new PG.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 25, 2009 5:13 PM PDT reply actions
The Abbott tossed Lakers fans a bone.
As always, a Kobe slight is followed by something to placate the the Lakers fans.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-44-96/Late-Friday-Mini-Bullets.html
I love it. It happens every time.
I know.
It was a joke.
That’s what Abbott (and KD) does. He slights Kobe. Gets fans all riled up. Then shortly thereafter he says something kind of on the positive side to “reel” them back in.
Like fishing.
or they just go the easy route and say all Kobe fans are oversensitive.
whatever.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 26, 2009 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If you have noticed,
I always link a picture of a jackass when I have a Jay Mariotti link. I look for the dumbest looking donkey I can find.
No one has ever commented about it though. You all must know he isn’t worth the click through. He isn’t.
by wondahbap on Sep 27, 2009 6:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I've talked to Henry
By e-mail, and on the phone even. He’s quite a reasonable fellow, by and large. And he is well aware of how the Kobe contingent sees him. It’s not that he doesn’t care, but he does think that a lot of them are bit batty and oversensitive. Frankly, this sort of assumption that every post about Kobe is designed to either inflame or to placate (and that posts about other players aren’t similarly designed) sort of plays right into that perception. I often am tempted to say to Henry that it’s not all about him—that there are plenty of Lakers fans out there who are perfectly reasonable to him but whom he lumps right in with the others—but I’d also say the same to some rabid Kobe and Lakers fans. Most people are not so stupid that they won’t see that it’s just Henry’s opinion, and those who are that stupid—well, let’s just say that they’ll believe what they want to. About Kobe, about the Lakers, about anybody.
I recommend Kurt’s post on the matter at FB&G. It’s level-headed and I think Kurt’s assessment of Henry vis a vis the Lakers is right on the money.
My only question to him would be
Why isnt’ he that critical of other players? Is it that by him mentioning Kobe’s name and by the fact that his articles are critical of Kobe that will cause him to get more hits. In regards to stupidity he defenitely is not because he has to make sure that whatever he writes about has to be read because his job depends on it. That is similar to what Stern tells us all the time which is that he cares about the quality of the game but yet he is willing to put refs out there that will effect that same quality he cares so much about. It’s all lip service and there is always and underlying self interest. He is just not going to admit it to you or anyone else. Stern just cares about revenue and Henry cares about internet hits.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 26, 2009 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
his answer would probably be...
…that he is critical of other players, but Kobe happened to be on his radar. Meh. I don’t buy that, but that’s neither here nor there. It’s fun to speculate about, but in practice it would be essentially pointless to ask.
Everyone has a blind spot, as Kurt says. As much as I try to be objective about it, I’m sure I tend to minimize LeBron’s achievements more than I would if I weren’t a Lakers and Kobe fan. It’s human nature. But at least acknowledging that gives others the proper context to appraise what you say.
Thing is...
I’m pretty sure what Kurt did with his article was very politely and respectfully point out how wrong Henry was.
His opinion was so off base to me and I read so much about how it was wrong. Never did I read a blog or hardly a legitimate blog comment supporting Henry’s article. I draw from this that 1) If it is truly Henry’s opinion, I am forced to conclude he doesn’t know enough about basketball for me to read his writing or 2) Deep down, Henry doesn’t believe what he is writing and he’s doing it to create controversy and thus more hits, etc.
I honestly don’t think Henry has something personal against Kobe, but I mean, you gotta look at the facts: he’s a Blazer fan, he writes for ESPN, he’s never seemed so critical of anyone else…yeah you can bursh it off as “neither here nor there”, but quite frankly I don’t care how sensible he sounded to you on the phone, I think he’s batshit crazy.
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Phil Jackson presser
“Sasha played with his hair last year more than he played on the court.”
- On creative lineups – “We’re talking a little bit about a big lineup with Kobe and Artest, Lamar, Pau and Andrew. There’s a variety of guys can fit into that but also those five as an overwhelming group that can do some things – with the type of offense we run, they can function quite well without a point guard.”
Ooh seems like everyone has forgotten about Drew
Nowadays everybody want to post like they got somethin to say
But nothing comes out when they type their lists
Just a bunch of gibberish
And Lakers fans act like they forget about Drew
Bynum’s going to be the dark horse this year. I see big things for him. I think he’s going to be extra motivated to make everyone remember who he is.
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 25, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Dam that is awesome Gils
There are some fans on SB nation who’s posts are too intelligent for my own good including yourself. But even I got this one. Hilarious!
Oh by the way, I have always thought that you were that dude from the OC Register. I think his name is Kevin Ding. Don’t know why but I do. Something you must of said waaaaay back! Anyways, that is pretty creative.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 26, 2009 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I wish I had Kevin Ding's press credential
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 26, 2009 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Sporting News did do one thing on their All-Decade team I disagree with.
They have Steve Nash at the Guard spot on 1st team. Over Allen Iverson. Except for win 2 MVP’s to Allen Iverson’s 1. Nothing else he has done has surpassed Allen Iverson’s career.
FIRST
G Steve Nash
G Kobe Bryant
F Tim Duncan
F LeBron James
C Shaquille O’Neal
SECOND
G Allen Iverson
G Dwyane Wade
F Dirk Nowitzki
F Kevin Garnett
C Yao Ming
I'm a huge Allen Iverson fan, but I would put Jason Kidd on the first team.
A.I. would be on the second team. Jason Kidd has been awesome at both ends of the floor during the 2000s.
yeah, where the hell is Kidd?
lol, won’t Kidd go down in the history books well ahead of Stevie?
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.
On top of that
Kidd has been to the Finals 2 times and Iverson once. Nash 0. I’m cursious as to why Nash gets that much love compared to Kidd and Iverson.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 28, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Because he's a media friendly guy
And a non-threatening one at that
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 28, 2009 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Lakers fans need to stock up on tomatoes.
Spaceman Ron wants to be showered after you guys lose in the playoffs.
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Farmar & Morrison for Antonio Daniels?
Farmar & Morrison for Leandro Barbosa?
Farmar & Morrison for Raja Bell?
Farmar & Morrison for Chris Duhon?
IDK.
I would go for Barbosa
Especially because Barbosa would be a far more effective energizer off the bench than anything we have right now besides Odom, but the question is whether Phoenix is willing to give him up for practically nothing. They arguably can make the playoffs next year if everyone is healthy, so unless Sarver has extreme cash problems, Barbosa likely isn’t getting moved at the reasonable salary he has.
The rest of them aren’t really worth their contracts; Daniels and Duhon are backups that are majorly overpaid and Bell is way overrated, especially on the defensive end at this stage in his career. Farmar’s possible upside (namely his ‘07-’08 form) is worth more than all three.
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Kobe works out with Hakeem
Monday Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant was in Houston for a two-hour workout with Olajuwon.
Olajuwon said Bryant reached out to him for help with his moves in the post.
“He gave me the biggest compliment,” Olajuwon said. "(He said) You are the best (at the) mid-post and post move.
“He wanted me to show my moves to him.”
Olajuwon said his style of play in the paint is really suited for a guy like Bryant.
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/090926_olajuwon_works_with_grizzlies_thabeet
Thanks for the link
Crap the league better watch out Kobe is downloading Hakeem’s moves!
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 26, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Which superhero is Kobe?
You know how in superhero mythology there’s always the guy who can copy or take on the others’ powers? That’s Kobe. He’s like the Sylar of basketball players, or the Rogue, or any one of those power absorbing superheroes/
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 28, 2009 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, Sylar has to cut your power out of your brain.....
Peter Petrelli just has to be near you to do it. So I guess Kobe is more Peter than Sylar. But the brain thing would be cool to see on the court.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
You are correct, sir.
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 28, 2009 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
that brain thing is gross
but I agree on Peter Petrelli, though Kobe just doesn’t copy, he makes his own version. more like learning how it is done, so that it is used when the opportunity presents itself
I would say Peter too.
But Kobe can definitely be ruthless like Sylar is when he cuts the brain open.
And then Kobe should share Hakeem's secrets with Andrew Bynum
Kobe’s work ethic is admirable. Even at this stage of his career, he’s still trying to add to his game.
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 26, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I remember during the Olympics
He said he was paying attention to players’ special moves that he could add to his game, like one of CP3’s moves or something lol
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Sep 26, 2009 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what separates Kobe from the rest of the pack He won’t quit until he is GOAT and has his six rings.
And I agree with people on Bynum. If he can stay healthy all year, he will be in all-star. He has been outstanding the past two years prior to injury. Let’s hope he can go start to finish. He is the future so he better pan out. Hopefully he has been working hard all off season in Atlanta.
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by mrbarneydangles on Sep 27, 2009 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
That All-Star berth seems especially reasonable
Given that there aren’t a whole lot of legitimate candidates. Yao is out for the year or at least most of it, Shaq moved to the East, and Jefferson might have a rough time regaining his form after his ACL injury. Seriously, the rest of the pool is Okafor, Okur, and Oden. I don’t see it being overly difficult for Bynum to beat out the rest of these guys (especially in the fan voting) if he averages 12-13 ppg and 8-9 rpg.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I would be happy if Bynum learns how to play defense without getting into foul trouble and he can stay healthy for a whole season. Anything past that would be great but if he accomplishes those two things it would be huge.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 28, 2009 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be happy too...
for this year. Bynum is the future though. With this team no offense is required out of him but sometime in the near future we are going to need Bynum to be great on both ends of the floor. He is going to be our leader and our star.
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by mrbarneydangles on Sep 28, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
you are 100% right
let’s hope he lives up to the hype.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 29, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, it's good to know he's improving this part of his game
Namely because with Artest, we’re going to have more of a slow, grind-out half-court game, and one of the advantages is that practically every one of our starters outside of Fisher can post up. Hell, if we run Kobe-Artest-Odom-Gasol-Bynum, then everyone can post up. As Abbott put in one of his more poignant posts, there are a lot of players that don’t really want to be isolated on the post against a superior offensive player. Basically, we give teams the choice of doubling and risk being burned by passing from the triangle or dealing with being burned by single coverage.
And per above, Olajuwon was awesome. His footwork in the post was perhaps one of the most beautiful basketball things I’ve been fortunate enough to witness.
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Wondahbap
Thanks for the shout out on the Credits thats really cool of you to do that.
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by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Sep 28, 2009 11:12 AM PDT reply actions
Hold up a second1
Is Lamar Odom serious in marrying “That” Kardashian? This has to be a joke. There was only one good looking one if I remember. May be it’s me
Maybe you're the good looking Kardashian?
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by Gils_Keloids on Sep 28, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Well. To each their own. I think all 3 are good looking.
BUT don’t believe the hype. This is “marriage” is made for TV. Supposedly, it’s not even official. They had a “fake” ceremony because LO’s last minute desire for a Pre-nup would have delayed the wedding. E! News paid for the “wedding” and would not do so if there was a delay. So, they decided to proceed with the show, and handle the pre-nup and “real” nuptials after.
That all adds up to nothing but a thinly disguised publicity stunt. Kardashian reportedly sold the “wedding” pics for $300K.
I see a “break-up” within a month. More pub.
http://www.tmz.com/2009/09/26/lamar-odom-khloe-kardashian-married-prenup-problem/
This is the last time I will post a LO-Dash link.
Hollinger has his predictions up
Insider only. He basically predicts the Lakers to finish first in the West, ten games ahead of everyone else, largely due to injury concerns with Portland and San Antonio. He also picks the Lakers to face Cleveland in the Finals and win because the Lakers are well-structured to counter Cleveland’s strengths (or in other words, because we got Artest to cover LeBron).
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Yeah, not sure how statman Zaig is going to spin this one.
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