NBA Fearsome Foursomes
by W. Taylor on Aug 3, 2009 10:58 AM PDT
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Now that the Lakers have signed Lamar Odom to a long term contract you have to wonder if there is a team out there with enough talent to beat them. The Lakers have lost only Trevor Ariza from last years team while adding Ron Artest. While Artest is a head case the Lakers have the best psychologist/coach in the league in Phil Jackson. If Jackson could work with Dennis Rodman, he will certainly be able to work with Artest. So the Lakers can put a line-up on the floor that includes Kobe Bryant, Paul Gasol, Odom and Artest, a very talented bunch. If Jackson can get and keep them all on the same page they will be tough to beat.
In the Western Conference the toughest competition could come from the Spurs who added Richard Jefferson to their roster. If Manu Ginobli can come all the way back the Spurs will be able to go at the Lakers with a line-up that includes Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Jefferson and Ginobli.
Over in the East the Celtics have but together their version of a fearsome foursome with the signing of Rasheed Wallace. If the Celtics can get Kevin Garnett back from his injury they will have a line-up that includes Wallace, Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen.
I know the season is a long way off, but I am looking forward to seeing these fearsome foursomes collide on the basketball court. It will be interesting to see which team, if any, can put aside their egos and play together to win a championship.
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Hmm, adding 1.5 teams to this.
Nelson/Carter/Lewis/Howard isn’t a foursome to laugh at
Miller/Roy/Aldridge/Oden might not be either, depends on Miller’s fit and how Oden does not that he’s back in shape.
Bonus Foursome:
Lebron/Lebron/Lebron/Shaq
Los Angeles Lakers 2009-2010 Western Conference Chumps
by Zaig on Aug 3, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
lol, the blazers are hardly a fearsome foursome.
its more like scary good sg, then pretty good pg and pf, and so far nothing but hype center lol
by robi s on Aug 3, 2009 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay?
Odom and Artest aren’t exactly all NBA caliber players either. Would you care to make a wager on Oden’s PER compared to Odom’s this year?
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PER is a stupid stat. Odom is way more of a special player than Oden. No one can do what odom does.
as for artest….Defensive player of the year isnt enough for you?
I wont make a wager about stupid stats, but I will wager you that the lakers go farther than the blazers this year
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Any stat you want to use to compare the two? Sorry, I’m not a fan of “Player A is better than player B because I said so.” There should be some evidence to support this opinion.
And Artest isn’t the same player he was then.
Umm duh, but not because Odom > anyone. I’ve already mentioned how crazy good Gasol is.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha well you cant real say this guy is better than this guy, cuz his stats are better, stats dont tell the whole story of whats going on. The only real proof of a player being better would be if the played one on one. and even then that doesnt take account team play….
so we’ll just have to have a debate when they play eachother next year.
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would you compare Odom to Oden. Oden plays center, Odom is a power forward. Wouldn’t it make more sense to compare centers to centers. ie: Bynum and Oden?
by intuitive on Aug 4, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post is discussing "Big 4s"
Bynum was included in the Lakers. I guess you could go
Gasol v Oden
Odom v Aldridge
Kobe v Roy
still leaves you with a silly Artest v Miller though.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To their respective positions it would be
Kobe vs Roy
Fisher vs Miller
Gasol vs Aldridge
Artest vs Batum
Oden vs Bynum
and maybe
Odom vs Przybilla/Outlaw?
Btw just a question, but if Oden has a breakout year is he going to continue coming off the bench?
by intuitive on Aug 4, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure he'll start
I also don’t believe Nate when he says Blake is still the starter. Unless Nate’s plan is to have Miller/Oden compeltely murder other team’s benches, I see no reason why these two don’t start.
The one bench issue is that
Blake/Rudy/Webster/Outlaw/Przybilla gives you some insane 3 point shooting, but no playmakers outside of Outlaw, and he’s a black hole.
And yeah, Fisher, Bynum and Batum weren’t in the BIG 4 discussion, hence me having to butcher matchups.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 5, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Player Efficiency Rankings
Formula based on all the good and bad stats to grade a player’s efficiency. So a guy with 20p, 10a, 10r, on 10/20 shooting in 20 minutes would have a lot better per than a 20/10/10 guy who played 40 minutes and shot 10/30.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 10, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty simplistic view of the game
But the guys with the best PERs are typically the considered best players by the fans anyway, so the system works for a general offensive overview. (Only steals/rebs/blocks come into play on the defensive end.)
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 10, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Nelson/Carter/Lewis/Howard isn’t a foursome to laugh at”
True they’re good, but not great.
“Miller/Roy/Aldridge/Oden”
LOL. I almost forgot who YOUR favorite team was for a second…………….that made it clear again.
“Lebron/Lebron/Lebron/Shaq”
Too funny. Wish you were funny more often and trolling annoying less.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That goes under Zaig obviously. arghhh
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 3, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same thing I said to Robi
Odom vs Oden PER this year.
Kobe’s edge over Roy is shrinking, although is still exists.
Gasol dominates LMA with ease. (This is why the Lakers win the 4 some)
I’d take Miller over Ron Ron anyday.
Oden is somewhat of an unknown this year, but I’d take him over Odom regardless.
And frankly, I like the Orlando 4some better than yours.
Howard is the only Center better than Gasol
Give me Lewis over Ron ron anyday as well
Carter is a superior player to Odom
Kobe beats Nelson
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah i like you matched them up randomly….comparing players in two different positions doesnt make any sense. You’d have to compare complete starting fives, and even then individual advantages dont mean a thing if those five cant play together effectively.
but to humor you yes, orlando is techincally better than us on paper, but paper doesnt mean a thing. We’ll have this discussion come next june.
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The positions didn't match up obviously
And maybe. The odds are against an Orlando/LA finals.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Oden is somewhat of an unknown this year, but I’d take him over Odom regardless.”
? Is that a typo or a joke
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 4, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Neither.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 5, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see what Odom does
he might become even more valuable now that he doesn’t even have to be a 3rd or 4th option (depending on what petulant mood Bynum is in from game to game) with Artest around.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 5, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want Artest shooting
40% from the field and 40% from the 3 point line. So, you want him launching 3s, that’s pretty good, but he is also 40% from 2 point range. That is pretty horrific.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 6, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how many were open shots?
compared to him just dribbling the ball around. Lakers shoot high percentages not because they are all great shooters, or can hit under pressure, but because the triangle offense finds open shots for players on the court.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 13, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're kidding right?
Carter’s old, and DID YOU SEE HOWARD AND GASOL IN THE FINALS?
by KobeisGod on Sep 9, 2009 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
TBH
I have concerns over the Orlando team and the Blazers team.
Orlando for obviously the Nelson/Carter/Lewis/Howard combo’s pretty dangerous.
The Lakers couldn’t beat the Nelson/Lewis/Hedo/Howard combo in the regular season
It was pretty evident that a full strength Nelson was the difference.
So if Nelson is healthy and Carter meshes well with the team they’ll be a force to reckon with.
Their matchup against us would look like this:
Kobe / Pietrus
D-Fish / Nelson
Pau / Lewis
Bynum / Howard
Artest / Carter
LO / Bass
Sasha / Barnes
Nelson is a clear advantage (unless somehow Shannon can keep him in check).
Pau / LO can hold Howard / Lewis in check
Artest basically needs to hold his own against Carter. Pester him defensively. Fill TA’s role and beyond.
Bass and Barnes are the wild card for the Magic and Drew would be ours. If Drew can remain healthy, he could be a force to reckon with and that’ll leave LO to deal with Bass.
The Blazers have just been a matchup nightmare against us – especially at the Rose Garden – they’re young and athletic, but I’m hoping Artest can answer some of our problems with the Blazers.
Also, is anyone impressed with the Mavs? I am, they’ve been steadily improving during the offseason, quietly adding a lot of players, they have the potential to be the #3 to 5 seed, if everything works out for them.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 3, 2009 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nelson, when healthy, gives us fits.
by intuitive on Aug 3, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya Orlando is scary. They arent full of old men like the Celts.
LO is gonna be our main X factor. He is way more talented than Bass.
also Lewis tends to disapear during games too.
by robi s on Aug 3, 2009 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’s why i’m not worried too much about Lewis.
Either Pau or LO checked him just fine.
TA struggled with Hedo in the 2nd and 3rd games, but did a little better in the 4th and 5th.
Even though boston has old dudes they’re still a formidable team.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 4, 2009 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Artest didn't bother Roy in the playoffs
In fact, Roy was the only Blazer doing anything against Houston in that series. He will be a pain on the defensive side because of his size though. Bynum/Gasol/Artest is a pretty big lineup if that’s what you guys start with and not many teams can cover that easily.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
roy is like kobe, he is going to be able to do anything against pretty much everyone he plays.
Unfortunately i dont think the lakers have to play portland in next years playoffs
1-8 Lakers vs. Doesnt matter
2-7 spurs utah
3-6 Portland vs NO
4-5 Denver vs Mavs
Portland is not gonna be the spurs. and if portland is the 4 or 5th seat they arent going to be denver or the mavs.
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Portland beat Denver last year and got better this off season. Denver didn’t. Your logic doesn’t work.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
again we’ll see… just because a team beats a team during the regular season doesnt mean they are going to beat them in the playoffs. The lakers-magic series is a prime example.
We also dont know if a team got better until they actually start playing. Its not like they acquired steve nash, the got miller, he is an okay pg, hes not a significant improvement. billups can eat miller alive.
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
Magic had a crippled Nelson in the playoffs. Nelson averaged 27.5 on 60something percent shooting in the regular seasons. Obviously injuries happen, so that’s life, but the regular season is very telling of the playoffs.
1 Seed Dallas struggled vs 8 seed GSW in the regular season. Look what happened in playoffs.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
so your saying that if the lakers played the bobcats in the playoffs theyd get swept?
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to pick out 1 example that fits your needs!
You’re the same guy who cracks AA with TJ and uses that as a citation of why TJ is the best hand ever.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 5, 2009 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about Rockets-Lakers?
4-0 regular season, struggled to beat them in the playoffs
Regular season games are far different than playoff games. Only brief moments in a regular season games can give u a window into what to expect in a playoff game. Teams are on back-to-backs. 3 games in 4 nights. Long road trips. Dolldrums of the midseason.
This is, after all, why they play the game, and don’t give out trophies for assembling the best team on paper.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 5, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest difference is injuries and all that good stuff
Not that I want to go look at all 4 of those games or anything.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 6, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
“You’re the same guy who cracks AA with TJ and uses that as a citation of why TJ is the best hand ever.”
Actually I would just point out that you under bet and that I had the pot odds, but that’s just me.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 5, 2009 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I misclicked and shoved 120BBs pre!
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
True they’re good, but not great.
Are you kidding, that’s four former or current all-stars. None of them may be Kobe, but our 4some isn’t 4 all-star
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan. I only want to be Kobe Bryant,"
-Kobe Bryant
by KobeisGod on Oct 4, 2009 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry only that first sentence is supposed to be in the box : )
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan. I only want to be Kobe Bryant,"
-Kobe Bryant
by KobeisGod on Oct 4, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
First of all, you're a month behind.
Second of all, Howard is the only all-star currently. Nelson was voted in once (barely) and didn’t play. Carter is over the hill and no longer an all-star, Lewis has been an all-star twice, scored 5 ppg, shot 30%. I could give you a list of former all stars that would make you puke, but what is the point. The point was they are good, but not great. How about we compromise and call them “grood”?
It is reasonable to think that all 4 Lakers could be all-stars this year, (however not likely) but not nearly as reasonable to assume the 4 Magic would be.
Kareem, Magic, Bird, Worthy, and West are all perennial all stars, but that doesn’t mean they would currently field a very good team. Unless they are playing the Washington Generals.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Oct 5, 2009 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The lakers are gonna be trying an extra large lineup which I would love to see
Lo at the point
Kobe at the 2
Artest at the swing
Pau
Bynum.
sure pg’s will be running odom ragged, but they are already doing it to fisher. WIth LO at the point, the celts won be able to put rondo in, and most likely Scal will have to come in hahah.
by robi s on Aug 3, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
doubt it
Only happened for six minutes in the regular season, and only once in the playoffs. And what I’m talking about is having 3 bigs in the game at one time (Lamar was Small Forward, NOT Point Guard).
The regular season lineup was Fisher, Kobe, LO, Powell, and Bynum. The playoff lineup was Fisher, Bryant, Odom, Powell, and Pau.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 3, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read phil was going to experiment with it, during the preseasson and if it worked he would employ it.
It makes sense considering we would be exploiting our rivals small pgs. I read LO was working on his 3pt shot this summer too.
by robi s on Aug 3, 2009 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like fun, one problem though
Bynum will have to stop PGs on every play when they run by Odom. During the playoffs he picked up fouls at an Odenlike rate. That wouldn’t be a good sign for Andrew.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
well ideal odom will be forcing those pg to run into our twin towers.
Bynum wasnt necessarily to foul prone when he was 100%, its just his timing was way off during the playoffs…
also you’re forgeting pgs are running by fisher anyway lol
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, convince Phil to try that lineup
The rest of the NBA will love you for it.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 4, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol he already said he would tinker around with interesting combos in the preseason naming this one in specific so i dont have to convince phil of anything
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt it be kobe at point
artest at 2
Lo at SF
Pau at PF
and bynum at C?
that line up makes more since to me
by javon on Aug 4, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it does
but some people have been playing NBA Live or NBA 2k# too much. A common exploit is to place Odom at Point Guard, and you can exploit the opposition every time down.
"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)
by tandur on Aug 5, 2009 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zaig..........
do you mind if I copy all of your posts?…………And shove them in your face remind you what you said after the season?
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 4, 2009 7:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha I WOULD LOVE THAT!
rather have oden than odom my butt lol. if oden keeps playing like he did last year, he is in line to be the next Kandi Man
by robi s on Aug 4, 2009 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What posts do you have in mind?
The Oden vs Odom PER? Sure, go for it.
The Denver not being a top 4 seed? Go for that also.
What else you want?
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
by Zaig on Aug 5, 2009 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a funny guy, I will give you that.
“What posts do you have in mind?”
The Oden vs Odom PER? Sure, go for it.
The Denver not being a top 4 seed? Go for that also.
What else you want?"
Well in order, my answers would be yes, no, and “for you to keep up the funny stuff”.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
by pslakerfan on Aug 5, 2009 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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