Our All-Time Laker Fantasy Draft
Just the other day, I had a genius idea for an offseason blog post - something that would delight the SS&R readership and inspire the site's board of directors to lavish me with praise and cash prizes. (Our board of directors, by the way, consists of Josh. He rules the SS&R Empire from deep within a remote island fortress, in front of a bank of surveillance monitors that keep the writers under watch at all times. He's even watching you through your computer as you read this! Also, there's a rare Bengal tiger at his feet that he keeps as a pet, so please refrain from any sudden movements.)
Unfortunately, right when I had this brilliant idea a pigeon scared the hell out of me when he landed nearby. Those beady eyes freak me out! Away from my Kettle Chips, flying carp! By the time this chilling encounter ended, I'd forgotten what I was going to write about, so I dusted off a thesis topic of substantially diminished imagination and splendor:
Hey, what if we all got together and had an all-time Laker fantasy draft? I'm just saying, what if? Yeah, well, I'd like to see you come up with something better.
Suitably impressed with my ingenuity Apparently as bored with the offseason as I am, my colleagues agreed to humor me with their participation. The all-time fantasy draft was ON AND POPPIN'.
On the other side of the jump, see how the action played out, and learn of your own role in this grand undertaking. Don't let that pigeon win! (This poll will make more sense when you see what's after the jump.)
The rules were straightforward but ruthlessly enforced: each writer - there are six of us - had to draft a six-man team, plus a coach. Random, snaking draft order. Every current and former Laker player and coach was eligible to be picked. You had to draft on the basis of performance as a Laker.... in other words, if you drafted Karl Malone, your imaginary team got the 2004 edition of the Mailman, not the 1997 MVP model. Picking someone who has yet to play a game as a Laker - that is, Ron Artest - is a speculative play.
Now gaze upon the results! (Overall draft position is indicated in parentheses.)
Position C.A. Clark Dexter Sideout11 Josh ryebreadraz WildYams PG Byron Scott (14) Norm Nixon (21) Jerry West (5) G. Goodrich (11) Magic (1) Elgin Baylor (7) SG A. Dantley (15) Eddie Jones (16) M. Cooper (17) Kobe Bryant (2) Lucius Allen (25) C. Ceballos (18) SF C. Lovellette (22) L. Odom (28) Ron Artest (41) H. Hairston (23) Jim Pollard (12) Glen Rice (42) PF B. McAdoo (34) Pau Gasol (9) R. Horry (20) J. Worthy (10) V. Mikkelsen (13) R. LaRusso (31) C Abdul-Jabbar (3) Shaq O'Neal (4) G. Mikan (8) A. Bynum (35) Vlade Divac (25) Chamberlain (6) 6th Man Trevor Ariza (39) D. Fisher (33) N. Van Exel (29) Gary Payton (38) Jim Price (37) J. Wilkes (19) Coach Phil Jackson (26) Breda Kolff (40) Kurt Rambis (32) Pat Riley (27) John Kundla (36) Bill Sharman (30)
(Explanatory note: the above table reflects the results of a post-draft trade. Josh initially drafted both Worthy and Riles but traded them to C.A.C. for Phil and Byron Scott.)
Now here's where you come in. We want you all to decide who among us did the finest job as Make-Believe Laker GM. After hearing each of us state the case for our teams, cast your vote below for which squad you think would kick the most ass. Please choose carefully - your opinion is very important to us! Mostly because we all have terrible self-esteem.
C.A. Clark (Kareem, Byron Scott, Dantley, Lovelette, McAdoo and Ariza, coached by Phil Jackson): For starters, I drafted well. Really well. I managed to draft five Hall of Famers, and only one came from the old-school Minneapolis Lakers, from an era where athleticism wasn't quite what it is today. I drafted so well that I felt comfortable trading away a Hall of Famer (James Worthy) for a decent point guard (Byron Scott), just so I could get my hands on Phil Jackson. No one else came close to my talent level, in my opinion, and my picks didn't come at the expense of a good fit either.
Why so much effort for Phil? Sure, the ten championships are nice, the ability to handle numerous egos is a plus given the talent on the roster, but the reason I was desperate for PJ is quite simple. I wanted the Triangle. See, the Lakers are a storied franchise with a host of great players at all positions except one, point guard. Outside of Magic, the pickings get slim real quick, in terms of a pure point. So I built my team around the Triangle and then had to make something happen to ensure I got the coach who uses it.
Anyway, my team is pretty well stacked and pretty well balanced. I have the Captain manning the post, and if Pau Gasol is the perfect Triangle post player, then Kareem is perfect-er. One of, if not the, best passing big men in Lakers history, and armed with a quite literally unstoppable shot. I've got Dantley as a poor man's Kobe on the wing, with McAdoo and Lovelette (the second-most talented of the old Lakers, behind Mikan) as hybrid 3's and 4's. Scott is there for defense and shooting (probably the best pure three-point shooter in Laker's history, discounting Radmanovic). The team's biggest weakness is defensively at the 3, so I have Ariza as my sixth man who can also provide additional three-point shooting, and he can easily become the starter with either McAdoo or Lovelette becoming the sixth man. I suppose the team is a little undersized at power forward, but McAdoo was a big 6'9", and Lovelette averaged double digit rebounds, so either one would be able to hold their own. It's a strong defensive team, an even stronger offensive team, and running the best offensive system there is, if Magic isn't an option. Oh, and four out of my six players have a Effective FG well over 50% from the field, including both of my guards.
Note* Since I, more than any other person involved, drafted players who didn't necessarily have their prime in LA, I wanted to take a second to explain what Dantley and McAdoo were providing my team. Dantley, in a little under two years with the Lakers, averaged roughly 21 points and 7 rebounds on 51.5% shooting. McAdoo averaged roughly 21 points and 7 boards on 50% shooting. Both of these stats are measured per 36 minutes. Sorry for the extra word count here, but I felt it was important that people understand what I was getting within the scope of the rules.
Dexter (Shaq, Pau, Eddie Jones, Norm Nixon, Odom and Fish, coached by Butch Van Breda Kolff): I don't want to overstate my case, but this is an essentially perfect team. Inside muscle, outside gunnery, deft passing and damn, lookit all that length on defense! Can you imagine Shaq and Pau together on a front line? I can, and it makes me very happy.
Keep in mind, this is vintage threepeat-era Shaq, the monster who ruled the basketball world without challenge. It's too easy to forget now in light of his late-career flab accrual, but in his prime Shaq was in the discussion for best center of all time. And no, you don't get to double-team him, because Pau is just a short dish away. With these twin towers on the floor, rebounds and layups are off the menu for any and all opponents.
The perimeter crew is nothing to scoff at, either. Eddie Jones had some sterling years as a Laker before becoming the key piece in the Glen Rice acquisition. I've got Norm Nixon as a classic passing-and-defense point guard, and as for Fish and Odom, you know how they do.
My coach, Butch Van Breda Kolff, may not be familiar to some of you youngsters, but he had a good little run in Los Angeles. Helming the Lakers in 1968 and 1969, he won 66% of his games and fell just short of a ring. Maybe he wouldn't be my first choice among all-time Laker coaches, but with the overwhelming on-court talent I've assembled, not even Isiah Thomas could screw this up.
Sideout11 (West, Mikan, Cooper, Horry, Van Exel and Artest, coached by Kurt Rambis): This team is a very well balanced one, both offensively and defensively. On offense just about anything is possible with The Logo himself running the point. He can go inside to Mikan, drive and dish to Horry or Artest, or just take it himself. Putting West at PG also ensures that the offense runs through him each and every time. which leads to good things. Mikan, while not overwhelmingly dominant on the inside, is very solid offensively and more than tough enough to hold his own against he likes of Shaq, Chamberlain and Kareem. Plus, I think that the man who paved the way for everyone else with the Mikan Drill would put on quite a show against his disciples. I have Van Exel coming off of the bench and not starting because he is a very offensive minded player, so I think he will provide a nice spark when spelling West or Cooper.
Everyone knows that defense wins championships, and I don't think you could put together a much better defensive Lakers team than this one. Mikan is the big bruiser in the middle, West matches up well at the point, and Coop and Artest are two of the best defenders the league has ever seen, ensuring that the wing turns into no-man's land. My only worry is Horry, but he is good at drawing charges and hopefully his offense will compensate for his defensive woes. Of course, all of these defenders are being led by another tough-guy, Coach Rambis.
Overall I am very happy with my team. I would have like to snagged a traditional PF like Lamar Odom, but I missed him by one pick. Although he has yet to prove himself as a Laker, I think that Ron Artest was a real steal at #41. Of course, should all else fail, Big Shot Bob will save the day, galloping off into the night with his hands behind his back.
Josh (Kobe, Goodrich, Worthy, Happy Hairston, Bynum and Payton, coached by Pat Riley): Why do I think my team will win? Let's start with the simplest, most obvious of reasons: What is the Lakers' track record when Kobe Bryant is paired with another star player and a top-tier coach? Not invincible, but close. Gail Goodrich was such a player. He consistently led the Lakers (and the Suns, during his brief stint with them) in scoring. You know that Lakers record we're all so proud of - the 33-game winning streak? That year, the Lakers won 69 games (an all-time record at the time), and then went on to win the championship. Gail Goodrich was their leading scorer that year.
Add Kobe Bryant to the picture, and you really don't even need any more star players, do you? Just some good support and a big man who can defend, and that's a championship on a platter, most years.
I originally drafted Phil Jackson as coach, but traded him to C.A. Clark for Pat Riley and James Worthy. Personally, I'm pretty happy with the deal. Like PJ, Riley has taken some flack over an apparent inability (or lack of interest) in the development of young talent and rebuilding teams - but like PJ, Riley is a coach that knows how to win when he's got a team with the talent for it.
Fortunately for me, the rest of my guys aren't mere role players. Happy Hairston was like a better Lamar Odom - a rebounding machine at small forward, but a better scorer. In his best year as a Laker, he put up 20.6 PPG and 12.5 RPG. And James Worthy at power forward? Well, that's recent enough not to need much explanation. Together, in their best years as Lakers, these four players (Gail, Kobe, Happy, James) averaged 103.3 points per game - and we've still got room for one more guy on the court!
Gary Payton is a solid backup at the point guard position; in fact, he could easily start, were it not for Gail. Sure, his best days were as a Sonic, but 14.6, 5.5 and 4.2 as a Laker weren't too shabby, either. The only real question mark for me is Andrew Bynum. From a certain perspective, I suppose I'm taking a bit of a gamble that he'll become the player he could be. Fortunately, however, I only need two things from him: defense and cleanup. He's got the physical gifts to capitalize when extra attention is given to teammates - and with the four on the floor with him, Andrew Bynum will be the last person anyone is thinking about. He may not be dominant, but he can punish a team in that situation. Aside from that, all I need from him is size and defense, both of which are things he can provide. He may not be The Captain, but on this team, he doesn't need to be.
Give me Kobe, one more 20+ point star player, a good coach and some decent role players, and I'll contend for a championship every single year. Kobe, Pat Riley, and three other 20+ point stars? That's just not fair!
ryebreadraz (Magic, Jim Pollard, Vern Mikkelsen, Vlade Divac, Lucius Allen and Jim Price, coached by John Kundla): I went with the old guys. Most of the other guys took some good players, but mainly from the 80's on so I was left with some Hall of Famers and all-time great Lakers later than expected.
I had the first overall pick so Magic was my guy. While the Lakers have some of the game's greatest players, I think Magic is the no-brainer best pick because the Lakers have only one true all-time great at the point. Lucius Allen is often forgotten as a Laker because he only spent two years with the club, but when the UCLA product came home to play with the purple and gold, he averaged over 14 a game, about five assists and was a lockdown defender. He was also a small guard, allowing him to guard the point at times to make up for Magic's defensive deficiencies.
Up front I've got a pair of Minneapolis Hall of Famers. Pollard was an exceptional athlete, who many said could have played pro baseball. He would excel getting up and down the court with Magic on the ball and was a rugged player who would do some work on the glass. Mikkelsen is another Springfield inductee who was a five-time NBA champion. The proven winner was as tough as they come and averaged over 14 a game in a much lower-scoring era. Both Mikkelsen and Pollard went on to become coaches too, so you know they're smart players.
Vlade would be a perfect fit for this team. With Magic running the show and guys who love going to the rim to finish off a Magic pass, Vlade would be able to step out and knockdown the mid-range jumper all day. Toss in an athletic Jim Price, who averaged 18 a game in his last two years with the Lakers, and we've got explosion off the bench. Let Hall of Famer John Kundla, with his five NBA titles, coach 'em up and we've got ourselves a helluva squad.
WildYams (Wilt, Baylor, Ceballos, Wilkes, Rudy LaRusso and Glen Rice, coached by Bill Sharman): Any team featuring The Big Dipper at center is bound to be an inside-out team, and mine is no different. The plan would be to probably distribute the ball-handling duties between Elgin and Club Ced, and just pound it down low to Wilt as often as possible. Ced and Glen Rice would help to spread the floor with their three-point shooting. (Rice was one of the best distance shooters the league’s ever seen, and Cedric shot almost 40% from three in the ‘94-‘95 season with LA).
Rudy LaRusso, a man who averaged 17 points and 10 boards a game in the ‘61-‘62 season with the Lakers, would help solidify the frontcourt alongside Wilt, while Elgin would help keep defenses honest with his ability to slash and drive. Off the bench, "Silk" Wilkes could come in to help give relief at a number of different positions, as my team’s flexible lineup (nobody smaller than 6’5") would be able to give a number of different looks.
My team’s collection of talent might be unconventional, but you’d have to figure that Bill Sharman, the man who coached the Lakers to the most wins in any season in team history and the man who was at the helm for the legendary 33-game winning streak, would have some tricks up his sleeve to make it work.
Now it's time for you to vote, people! (Standard text-messaging rates apply.)
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I had to vote for Dexter
It was either him or Kareem’s team but not only do I think that Kareem would have a tougher time on Shaq defensively rather than vice versa but the rest of the players were better on Dexter’s team.
I don’t care who Kobe had on his team but Kobe has never won a title with at least one decent PF (Gasol) or Center (Shaq) and neithter one was on his team.
Let the debating begin. GREAT POST!
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Aug 21, 2009 8:26 PM PDT reply actions
Also!
are we assuming that these players would all be in their prime? If so, then worthy would Kick any sf’s ass on any of these lists.
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Aug 21, 2009 8:28 PM PDT reply actions
He is Big Game James
For a reason!
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
by Rich Langford on Aug 22, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions
ONE HUGE MISTAKE
If GP and Artest are allowable picks than why didn’t anyone pick Malone especially when Artest hasn’t played a single game. I would pick Malone over 90% of these players.
I dont want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be Kobe Bryant.
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Aug 21, 2009 8:32 PM PDT reply actions
One rule was that only a player's performance in a Lakers uniform would be considered
and in that light Malone was flat out awful. Artest was a development pick as I am hoping that he will have a very successful career as a Laker over the next 3+ years
lol malone wasnt terrible on the lakers. There just wasnt very much ball to go around on that team. I think payton was worse that malone when he came to the lakers…
In Kobe we trust!
Mainly because
GP is not a player that is going to thrive in the triangle system, which puts an onus on PG’s not to have the ball stick in their hands and hitting threes, two things the Gary Payton was never much good at. I’d much rather have 2004 Fisher than 2004 Payton and it isn’t even close.
Malone was banged up all year when he played for the Lakers, but he played his role very well. He was a big body/take fouls/make jumpers/rebound role — similar to what Horry was in L.A. just without the three point range. He played that very well, and I think he would have made a big difference had he been healthy in the 2004 Finals. He wasn’t terrible, but I’d take Laker’s era Dantley, McAdoo, or Baylor over him as a PF.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
I'd also like to point out
That the Lakers are the only team in the league for which a 6 team draft would be even remotely possible. Each team has at least one HOFer (most have 2), 2 or 3 bonafide stars from their time, and even choosing a coach was pretty easy with a little creativity.
Simply amazing from the best franchise in history.
Celtics would beg to differ I'd bet
This is a cool idea though.
Poster for next year? I'm thinking My Little Pony.
I like your line-up Dex
but fiery Butch isn’t good enough for me, so I went for C.A. Clark’s instead. Coach Phil will find a way to win with that line-up.
Dammit, Magic just got buried in that line-up. Memories of Magic’s passes to Vlade being intercepted by detroit comes to mind.
Nice post Dex..........
I too voted for your team. The combo of Shaq and Pau would be nasty. Throw in Odom’s versatility, Fisher’s leadership and clutch outside shooting………..nasty.
One question though. Did Josh trade away Worthy and Riles or trade for them? Your comment and Josh’s comments seem to contradict. Either way the one who go Riles and Worthy for Jackson and Scott got a steal. Riley = Jackson, and Worthy > Scott.
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
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Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
I think what Dex meant was
C.A.C initially drafted both Worthy and Riley but traded them to Josh for Phil and Byron Scott.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 23, 2009 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I was the one who sought out the trade
I had my reasons, but they don’t seem to have been well received. I thought that having a coach which ran an offense that worked well with my team was more important than just having a bunch of really good players, but it certainly seems to have bitten me in ass.
Don't Worry
I voted for your team, if that counts for anything. Seeing that Kareem is the greatest scoring center of all time, and you have Scott and Dantley on the wings with Phil Jackson bringing on his Zen with Kareem inspired with his recent conversion to Islam, we have a powerful team :)
The one problem I have though...
I do think that when you face Dexter’s team you could have some problems.
Dex's team is clearly a formidable beast.
If I were to make a case for my team against his, it would be to point out that he has three guards and 3 C/PF. There’s a reason we’ve never really seen Bynum, Gasol and Odom out there at the same time, Odom’s not really quick enough to guard the 3. I think Mcadoo or Lovelette would be able to take advantage of that matchup. And if Shaq gets in foul trouble, then Jones gets murdered at the 3, because he doesn’t have the strength. But yes, Dex’s team causes mine the most trouble to be sure.
I wasn’t actually sure how this whole thing was supposed to go down in terms of comparison. I was trying to build the strongest overall team, not a team that could compete specifically against the other teams. If that had been my mantra, my last pick would have been Elmore Smith (one of the best defensive centers in Laker history) as my 6th man to deal with Dex’s size. But c’est la vie.
i picked you CA
to me your team is the best fitting to win and win,
i agree with you r picks even trading for phil and scott,
i just think the triangle would be unstoppable with your team.
your team just seems like they would all flow together in a game really well,
showtime!!!
by true_lakerfan on Aug 24, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Understandable
That makes sense that you weren’t trying to match up with others. I’m unfamiliar with Elmore Smith though, unfortunately. Nonetheless, I find it insane that we can have 5 completely behemoth teams simply by looking at the Lakers roster throughout the NBA (and ABA) history
Woo hoo!
Over 40% of the early vote. I’m dancing around my living room!
by DexterFishmore on Aug 22, 2009 12:55 AM PDT reply actions
Good post!
I am surprised no one picked Sam “The Big Smoothe” Perkins- the guy was a match-up nightmare and would be a great sixth man.
I also think I would consider Elden Cambell and A.C. Green over Horry.
Wherever I go, that's where I am.
By the way..
Who are all those other guys on Magic’s team? I swear that looks like the same line up that lost to the Bulls when Jordan got his first title. Just Kidding! But really though…who are those dudes?
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Aug 22, 2009 2:25 AM PDT reply actions
Jumpin Jim Pollard was one of the first few players to have a jump shot in an era of set shots(also could dunk from the free throw line), vern mikkelson was the reliable scoring threat behind george mikan all three were from the minneapolis lakers era.
Of course you gotta know vlade divac =.= he was a rookie center who came off the bench for abdul-jabbar(if im not mistaken it was jabbars last season) notorious for his flopping, last i heard of him was being a scout for the lakers.
purple and gold for life , u gotta know the history of the team ur supporting man =)
Thnx for that
dam I defenitely knew Vlade but I had no idea who those other players were. some day maybe i’ll read up on that.
"When I walked into the locker room on my first day as a Laker and saw my gold uniform hanging there, I cried." - Magic Johnson (Best Laker Ever)
by PURPLE AND GOLD FOR LIFE on Aug 22, 2009 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but Manu perfected it.....
Must be a white guy with big nose and beard thing…..
Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny
Dexter's team was my vote
Too much size and dominance inside with Shaq, Pau, and Odom (if Bynum can live up to his potential we can see a glimpse of it soon). Eddie Jones and Fish give enough on the outside to make them strong.
Josh’s team would give them a strong run especially since they can push the ball and score…Great post though, very interesting to consider the depth the Laker franchise has be blessed with.
"If you don't take out his battery, he's going to keep going all day."
Sideout11's team - Most fun to watch
Sideout 11’s team Looks like the most fun team to watch, with Van Exel, Artest, and Horry. West, of course would anchor the team. But the personalities, oh the personalities!
"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson
Gotta side with Josh's team, they got Kobe and thats all that matters to me the other teams are OK.
There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.
31 and looking good still
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 23, 2009 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Girl crush for me lol
As a girl, I can’t help it if I think Kobe’s a good looking man.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 23, 2009 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I hear Vanessa's not exactly the nicest lady to be around with
she seems so nice on TV and hugging her girls and what not, it’s so hard to believe she’d be so mean off camera.
But hey, if my man were kobe bryant, I’d give every female the evil eye too.
that being said, I would never try to steal the guy from her lol I’m no homewrecker. I could never do that to his little girls.
I can just admire him from afar lol she can’t stop me from that!
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 26, 2009 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Three way tie
I like CAC’s team. It’s a really good lineup with Kareem and Byron Scott making the triangle work with Phil Jackson.
Dex’s lineup is awesome. Shaq and Pau working together. Add Eddie Jones, LO, that is one hella freakish long and athletic team. Plus D-Fish is love.
I think though, my favorite might go with Josh’s. He’s got Kobe <3, Worthy and Goodrich. That’s already three hall of famers. Crazy awesome. Kobe and Gail, working the backcourt, dishing it to Drew and Big Game James. With Pat Riley at the helm? That’s pretty great team there.
Lakers 2009 Road to Redemption: TREVOR, DEREK, LAMAR, PAU & KOBE.
Play the game of which Lakers reminds you of: TA - TI, Shannon Brown - Chris Brown, Pau Gasol - Jesus, Machine - Luis Scola/Russell Brand, PJ with mustache and beard - Colonel Sanders.
by PeanutButterSpread on Aug 23, 2009 1:07 AM PDT reply actions
great, now you got me second guessing
i had karrem and scott with phil running the triangle,
now you got mea dreaming of kobe, worthy, and goodrich,
this is alot harder than i thot it was gonna be
by true_lakerfan on Aug 24, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Random thoughts
Why no love for LO? He was picked 8 picks behind Horry, seriously? I mean Horry’s my boy but come on.
And how come there’s no pick no. 24? It goes 22→23→25. Is that a coincidence? If not, I like it. :)
gotta go with dexter. he is way too big. None of the other teams on the board would be able to stop them.
plus can you imagine shaq playing next to a real pf instead of grant, and ac green?!
considering worthy isnt in his real position, gasol is arguably the best pf on the board.
norm, eddie, odom and fish are also great complimentary players by their own right.
In Kobe we trust!
Ryebreadraz could have won
Rye had the start with Magic man, but if he would have drafted Odom and Cooper at the 12th and 25 pick instead of Allen and Pollard.
I mean Magic, Cooper, Odom, Vlade and random PF would have been solid.
For me it was a toss up between Josh and Dex
miss eddie jones. how about rodman?
all this does is remind me how i loved eddie jones.
still hating that trade for glen rice.
how about dennis rodman? rebounds, defense, chaos.
- will all those scorers available, a solid role player may be better..
- another thought: can u imagine dennis rodman and artest on the same team?
madsen or turiaf for morale boosting purposes? jk
get off me bandwagoners!
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Gotta roll with Dexter's line up
Not because of Shaq or Pau, it’s all about Eddie Jones, one of my all time favorite Lakers, and younger fans probably don’t realize how great Norm Nixon was, and Butch as the head coach is a great fit. Fish and LO nicely round out the team.
YOU DON'T KNOW THE POWER OF THE DARKSIDE.....
From a pure fantasy standpoint
When I think of “fantasy draft” I often think of teams from a purely statistical perspective. So in that case, I would vote for either Dexter’s team or WildYams. I haven’t looked at each player’s stats individually, and it’d be pretty hard to compare them since secondary stats weren’t counted back then, but we’ve all seen what a 2000 Shaq could do, and seen the kinds of numbers Pau, Jones, and Odom are capable of. And any team that features a slightly less but still stat padding Wilt (20 ppg, 21 rpg) and Elgin Baylor (38 ppg, 19 rpg.. outrageous) surrounded by Wilkes/Ceballos (21 ppg, 7 rpg) would make the points and rebound categories a non contest.
But in terms of a more real result, based on things like winning, team chemistry and such, ryebreadraz’s team looks like it would beat the others. Teams with guys like Shaq, Wilt, or Kobe may put up better individual numbers overall, I would never, ever bet against Magic. In 11 years, from 1980 to 1991, his Lakers went to the Finals 9 times (82%!) and won 5 championships (45%). Not to mention Mikkelsen’s and Pollard’s five titles each as well, two capable third options, and a solid young center who could run pass and shoot
by brianfbb on Aug 24, 2009 8:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I voted for ryebreadraz
Brianbb took my comment. From a results-based standpoint, rye is the choice. I know enough about the Lakers history to be impressed with his choices. Lucius, Vern and Vlade are all very smart picks to put around a Magic team. I honestly don’t know much about Pollard or Price. But we can shrug off the basketball-reference based choices.
Kundla didn’t deter my vote like Van Breda Kolff did ultimately with my initial choice: Dexter’s team. The history on Breda is a bit spotty and unflattering in behind the scenes recounts. But it was hard to pick against Dexter’s roster. I’m glad to see others representing the Eddie Jones love here. I’m such a personal fan that I’m glad his team won but I think my pick being last is a bit ridiculous. We’re talking Magic Johnson here.
I voted for Dex's team
Mainly because I don’t think any other team could handle Shaq in the post. C.A.‘s team is the only team equipped to handle him, unless you’re porting in the officials from Wilt’s era who never called a foul on Wilt. If the game is half court (and with the coach on Shaq’s team, it certainly would be) then no other team stands a chance. Not that it doesn’t have flaws though: poor three point shooting, no good penetrating guards who can get their own shot, and Odom is going to seem lost with Shaq on the floor since his post game won’t get much run).
To me, Josh has the best coach for the team he drafted. Riley like to run, run, run, in his Lakers days, and that team should be able to get into transition with the best of them. The problem that I see is that they don’t have any strong rebounders (even Worthy wasn’t a GREAT rebounder and you don’t want him under the basket anyway, you want him filling the lane opposite Kobe on the break). Hairston averaged 10 RPG in his career, but he’s 6’7", and would have been one of the biggest guys on the floor in his era. I don’t see him doing well against the other PF candidates on this list. Bynum is a good rebounder and shot blocker, but he’s going to be guarding Shaq, Kareem, Pau, and Wilt and probably fouling out by halftime in most of those games. He couldn’t handle Howard in the Finals, so there’s no f’ing way he’s handing those guys. This team would have to play like the D’Antoni’s Suns teams — let the other team score and then transition to the other end quickly to try and wear them out. Making Kareem and Shaq run the floor like this with a small lineup would be the only way they could win. I also think having Goodrich and Kobe on the same team is going to cause problems. Both were gunners, but neither is great at setting up teammates, and that’s going to be necessary on this squad.
"I just wish that the late Harry Caray were still around so I could hear him mispronounce 'Kosuke Fukudome' every fukun' night" -- Dennis Miller
Rick Fox? where's Rick Fox in anyone's fantasy draft?
Where’s Rick Fox, he won 3 rings (2000, 2001, 2002) w/ the Lakers w/ Kobe, Shaq, Big Shot Rob, and Fisher. Rick Fox, “Foxy” played with the Lakers from 1997-2004. You guys also forgot Caron Butler, Mitch Richmond, A.C. Green, Connie Hawkins, Ron Harper, Horace Grant, and Brain Shaw. Kurt Rambis was also a NBA player with the Lakers. Not a lot of NBA teams can say that they had/have this much talent in their teams’ histories, in each season, & 7 decades. I’m Not familar w/ Jim Price & Lucius Allen?, btw, I have been a LAKERS fan since nov 2001 …
brain shaw won 3 titles w/ Lakers, he might replace Phil Jackson in a year or two as lakers head coach,
Caron Butler scored 15.5 ppg in his only season w/ Lakers in 2004-05.
Mitch Richmond won a Ring with the Lakers in 2002, quietly.
A.C. Green & Kurt Ramis played with Magic, Worthy, Kareem, B-Scott, Coop & McAdoo in the 1980’s. … Lakers Are NBA champions, this year, 2009, sweet. 15x champs.
SHAQ may say "Can You Dig It?" if he had this lineup
Any team w/ KOBE and/or SHAQ can win most games. both josh’s & dexter’s teams are awesome. …
shaq, pau gasol, d-fisher, lamar, eddie jones, & norm nixon. PAU Gasol, Shaq & Lamar could create a big “shot blocking” party on defense, most players would have trouble scoring in the paint with these guys (pau, shaq, lamar) in the paint & “the big fella” (shaq) playing D, (shaq o’neal in his Laker days). Don’t leave Fish & Eddie Jones open for long (jump) shots.
because Fisher loves to take long 2 pointers (20 to 23 footers) & 3 pointers, clutch shooter (game 4 of nba finals 2009, & game 5 West Semis vs. Spurs in 2004, the amazing 0.4 shot; both games on the road, not at staples (center) …
Kobe won’t have to score 81 points or may not have to score 50+ points with this fantasy draft team of kobe, goodrich, worthy, ‘drew (bynum), “glove” payton, & happy hairston. …
best fantasy draft team, in my opinion is 1a: Dexter’s team with shaq & fish, 1b: Josh’s team with kobe & ‘drew. … Norm Nixon also played on those 1980’s Lakers teams.
—→ The Lakers have Won 4 NBA championships this decade, (2000’s), more than any of the 4 pro sports in the USA (NBA, MLB, NFL, or NHL). Amazing. best team ever.
Kobe24mvp on cover of video game; Where's The Mailman, Paul Westhead (1980 Coach), Del Harris, Magic's other teammate?
Why pick Kurt Rambis as a fantasy draft coach & Not pick Paul Westhead, who coached the Lakers to a NBA title in 1980, Magic’s first season. Also, Del Harris is missing as a coach. You guys put Kurt Rambis as head coach, he was only the “head coach” of the Lakers for less than a season (1998-99 season), why Not Del Harris instead of Rambis? Del Harris was the head coach of Lakers (1994-99), & under Del Harris, the Lakers had a 61-win season in 1997-98 season & first trip for Kobe8 & Shaq together thru the West Conf Finals ‘98. …
You guys didn’t draft Karl Malone (“The Mailman”) or Spencer Haywood, (Haywood won a ring in 1980 w/ Magic Johnson & Paul Westhead as coach). …
Jamaal Wilkes & Spencer Haywood also played on those 1980’s Lakers teams. …
I know, this is a fantasy draft, but it’s fun that people can play these 6 fantasy draft teams on video games; nba 2k9; nba live 09, nba ’09, nba 2k10, nba live 10.
—>>> Oh yeah, Kobe Bryant will be on the cover of nba 2k10 for playstation 2, xbox 360, ps3, etc, Game out OCTober 6, tuesday, year 2k9. kobe 2009 NBA finals MVP & 2008 MVP. m-v-p-m-v-p

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