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Why You Should Expect a Lakers Dynasty

4 rings and 30 years old, but somehow it feels like he's just getting started.

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4 rings and 30 years old, but somehow it feels like he's just getting started.

I've been working on this piece in various forms (mainly in my head) since the day after the Los Angeles Lakers won the 2009 NBA Championship. It was apparent to me then, as it is now, that the Lakers had all the potential to win a few more championships over the next several years. Of course, every time I prepared to write this piece, something major happened to change the NBA landscape, as the league's best teams attempted to better position themselves to challenge the Lakers next year. As a result, this post has gone through many changes in my mind.

Of course, the Lakers responded to all these moves by their biggest competitors with the acquisition of Ron Artest. So it is that while some of the specifics have changed, the final conclusion has not. I expect the Lakers to repeat as champions in 2010, and I foresee a new Lakers dynasty over the next several years. And I'm going to tell you why.

Hopefully, nothing drastic happens before I'm finished typing.

Star-divide

It Starts Where They Left Off


It's one thing to win a championship. That's hard enough — so hard, in fact, that only 17 teams have done it (one of which is now defunct), meaning that 14 of the league's 30 teams have never won a title. The Lakers and Celtics, of course, have combined for 32 of the league's 63 titles — more than half. The Spurs and Bulls have combined for 10 more. But despite the success of a very few teams, the moral of the story clearly is that winning a championship is a significant enough accomplishment. To build a dynasty in a league in which winning even one title is so difficult is no easy task.

So it is not simply the fact that the Lakers won the 2009 NBA Championship that leads me to proclaim the beginning of a Lakers dynasty. In large part, it is how they did it that leads me to that conclusion. It is how they looked in the 2009 NBA Finals that makes me think that they have what it takes to dominate the NBA for years to come. They didn't just win; they dominated. They found a level of play they had not yet touched until then — but one they will be able to continue to play at (particularly when it matters most), now that they have found it.

I could tell you about it, but honestly, Kelly Dwyer summed it up as well as anyone could have, so I'm simply going to ask you to take a moment to let his words sink in, to realize how great these Lakers were... and are.

First, to fully understand how truly amazing it was that this team dominated as they did, consider the numerous things that worked against them:

Problem is, they didn't stay healthy. And some of the career arcs seemed to spin off course.

After completely shoring up Los Angeles' awful point guard defense from two years ago in 2007-08, Derek Fisher fell off the face of the earth defensively, like an NFL running back that somehow went from 1300 to 500 yards in a year's time. Jordan Farmar, out of nowhere, fell off. Andrew Bynum tore a significant ligament in his knee, and Kobe Bryant lost a little bit of patience. A lot of patience. Especially in the first three rounds of this year's postseason.

But with all of that logged against them? 65 wins, in 82 tries. 81 in 105 attempts, overall. Third in offense, sixth in defense. Those are championship stats... And, from November until mid-June, they walked all over this league.

I'll add one more: Sasha Vujacic went from a 44% three-point shooter and very good defender to a hopeless "chucker" and defensive liability.

When foolishly attempting to predict, at the beginning of the NBA season, which teams will make it to the NBA Finals, these are the types of things that serve as asterisks. When predictions are coupled with phrases like, "assuming nothing goes wrong," these are exactly the kinds of things they are referring to. That is what was so incredible about this Lakers team — those things that usually serve to undermine a pre-season prediction happened, and the Lakers won anyways. The Lakers dominated anyways. Are you grasping the weight of this?

Along the way, they played some very tough competition. Tougher, by far, than Cleveland. And if you ask me, equally as tough as Orlando. Again, KD with the recap:

The playoffs, I'm sorry, but that was a tough, tough run. Laugh at the Utah Jazz all you want, but that team can play. And some of the best offensive stretches (small things, good four or five minute runs, but "stretches" nevertheless) I've ever seen in my life came from these Lakers against a Jazz team some picked to win the West before the season started.

The Rockets? Chortle if you must at the absence of Tracy McGrady and (eventually) Yao Ming, but that was an impossibly-tough defensive team that had advantages in all the right slots (Aaron Brooks taking on Fisher's defense, most profoundly), and were about as stern as second round warnings come.

The Denver Nuggets? Mock if you will, but that was a championship caliber team that had quite a few pundits wondering aloud about who, exactly, would win a Denver/Orlando Finals pairing. They weren't wrong in that line of thinking, because the Nuggets were good enough to get there.

I'm with KD; that was a very, very tough path to the Finals. Sure, the Lakers appeared to struggle at times. But was there ever a moment where you wondered whether the Lakers had what it took to overcome their opponents? For you, maybe there was. For me, not a single one. Perhaps you would have liked more consistent dominance from the Lakers — here again, Dwyer offers some food for thought:  "Could it have gone better? Could it have gone smarter? Yes, and yes. And guess what? They're not robots."

Not robots, indeed. And whenever it was necessary, and even often when it was not, the Lakers delivered in ways that their opponents couldn't even have dreamed of matching.

And then there was Orlando. This was a great team. This was a team that was one game from elimination, and responded by beating Boston at home, and then turning around and beating them a second time in a row — this time in Boston. This was a team that manhandled the Eastern Conference favorites, drop kicking the Cleveland Cavaliers in six shocking games. This was a team that had responded to every challenge, that had gotten up stronger each time they were knocked down.

These Orlando Magic were a truly great team. But again, don't take my word for it. Click on over and read the first thirteen paragraphs of Kelly Dwyer's Finals recap. He was so impressed by the Magic, it's simply too much to quote. They were that great.

And the Lakers put them away in a mere five games.

And still again, to convey to you how completely Los Angeles dominated the 2009 Finals, I give you more Dwyer (emphasis added):

And they were great enough to down the Orlando Magic in five games. Three may have been close. Two may have been won in overtime, but they beat a great, great team four out of five times in June. That is so, so impressive.

These are the things we have to remember. These are the things we need to appreciate, now. Not just for this week, as something to chew on before the Draft hits and free agency takes over.

But for all time. These Lakers were a powerhouse. These Lakers are a powerhouse.

Understand what the Lakers did to Orlando, with their offense. Please.

Teams double-team offensive firebrands like Kobe Bryant all season long. But nobody seems to get away with doubling Kobe, not just because of Kobe's brilliance, but because of Los Angeles' offense. And when the Magic, the best defensive team in the NBA did it, Los Angeles seemed to have a 6-on-3 advantage due to that offense, with its unmatched spacing. Not just your typical 4-on-3. The Magic were helpless once that ball started moving.

115, 104, 121, 103 and 110 points per 100 possessions for the Lakers in the series. That's against the NBA's best defense, a defense that gave up only 101.9 points per 100 [possessions] on average during the regular season. If the Lakers are the unstoppable force, and the Magic were the unmovable object, well, the force wouldn't stop. And the object got to moving.

That's the stuff I have to remind myself of. The Laker defense, however, will be hard to forget. Splayed out in front of me from Games 1 through 5, [the Lakers' defense] is the biggest thing I'll take from this series.

I don't know what you saw when you watched the five games of the shorter-than-expected 2009 NBA Finals. Me? I saw a team that figured out how to play at a level far beyond anything even the regular season Lakers had been capable of. The pundits often talk about championship teams having "that extra gear" for the playoffs. The Lakers found an extra gear even beyond that.

There is no doubt in my mind that the Lakers of the Finals would have beataen the Lakers of the regular season very solidly. Chew on that for a moment. Remember that those regular season Lakers won 65 games, despite once again losing Andrew Bynum to major injury. Recall how the Lakers dominated the regular season. And understand what I'm suggesting when I say that I believe they would have been dominated by the team they evolved into by early June.

I believe the Lakers figured something out throughout the course of the playoffs. I believe they were tested in ways that simply weren't possible in the regular season, and they grew into a team the likes of which we have rarely seen. They figured out how to play at a level they had previously been incapable of.

And here is the key:  For 2009-10, this is where they begin. Let that ruminate for a moment.

I don't expect them to play at that level consistently for 82 games. I doubt any team could do such a thing, and retain its sanity. Any team that tried just might burn out before they made it to June. But I do expect that these Lakers will have the ability to go to that place whenever they need it. I expect to see it against Cleveland, Boston, and Orlando. They've discovered the ability to play at a level they did not previously know, and now that they have that, they will be able to use it. And, especially in the playoffs, they will be able to build on it.


New Challenges


One of the struggles for an NBA Champion attempting to repeat is figuring out how to keep things fresh, how to keep the fire burning, while simply repeating the same exercise. If little changes — if there is no external impetus to compel continued dedication, no internal impetus to keep things interesting — then a team can become complacent, and therefore vulnerable to those other teams taking aim at them.

Fortunately for the Lakers, that will not be the case in the upcoming season. Externally, all of their biggest competitors have made serious upgrades to their roster.

The Cleveland Cavaliers added Shaquille O'Neal, addressing their need for a post presence to match up with Dwight Howard (and, potentially, Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol). I'm on record as not being convinced of the effectiveness of that trade, and my position hasn't changed. More importantly, the Cavaliers had very serious needs in other areas, and they have failed to address those so far, with time and options both running out. Nonetheless, they boasted the best record of the regular season last year, and while I don't see Shaq alone putting them over the championship hump, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they continued to dominate the regular season, perhaps even more than they did last year.

The Magic appear to be letting Hedo Turkoglu walk, but they have added Vince Carter to their roster, which was a great move for them. At the same time, a healthy Jameer Nelson would also go a long way for the Magic, and would give them a starting lineup featuring four All-Star level players and the go-to pure scorer they didn't have last season. Given good health entering the playoffs and a year of extensive (and very tough) experience, they could be even better than they were this year.

The Celtics have added Rasheed Wallace, and — are you detecting a recurring theme? — I'm with KD in thinking that everything rides on how motivated he is. If he is dialed in, happy, and engaged, then he can be a very significant contributor for the Celtics, and could potentially make them favorites in the East. But I'm goint a step further than Dwyer, and saying now that I do actually expect him to be motivated and happy again. Of course, health is probably even more important for the Celtics than the acquisition of Wallace, but if Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are healthy come playoff time, and Rasheed Wallace is once again playing inspired basketball, the Celtics could be a force to reckon with.

Even the Spurs have upgraded, adding Richard Jefferson — though Jefferson isn't the player he once was, and the Spurs may have sacrificed the front court depth they needed to combat the Lakers in the process. Word is they have moves left to make. Dallas is also making its best efforts, though I doubt it will put them over the hump. Portland is another team with money to spend, capable of making a stir and taking steps to become true contenders.

The end result is that so much has changed in the NBA, with the best teams getting better and the worst teams preparing for the summer of 2010, that the Lakers simply can't afford to become complacent. They will never have the chance to start feeling over-confident. They will feel the pressure immediately, and they will have a whole slew of new challenges (and challengers) to respond to and prepare for coming into this year. When the risk of complacency is a concern, this is a good thing.

Think of the 2009 playoffs as a microcosm for what the entire 2009-10 season (regular and playoffs) could be for the Lakers. I'm becoming more and more convinced that an easy path to the Finals is not a positive thing. Last year, the Celtics struggled and were faced with challenges while the Lakers stomped on easy competition. But the challenges they faced forced Boston to grow and prepared them for the ultimate challenge of the Finlas, while the Lakers arrived untested and, ultimately, not ready for what they would face. This year, the tables were turned. The Lakers faced plenty of challenges in the early rounds, and you saw what they became in the Finals. Meanwhile, the Cavaliers went for a stroll in the first two rounds, and looked dazed and confused against their first real challenge in the conference finals.

So it is that I believe a more challenging postseason schedule is better for a championship contender. In the same way, an entire season that presents a new round of challenges should ensure that the Lakers are prepared for the postseason once it arrives.


A New Look


Of course, the Lakers didn't stand pat while their opponents were upgrading. They responded by adding Ron Artest, a move which makes them considerably tougher, better defensively, and in my mind, even better than before and still favorites to win the 2010 championship. On this issue, KD and I part ways, though I think Henry Abbott is spot on.

But we've talked at great length about the ins and outs of the Ron Artest acquisition, so let's not beat a dead horse here. The key issue here is that this, along with fairly new acquisition Shannon Brown — he was with us last year, but this will be the first time he really has a chance to learn the offense and really become integrated into the system — should give the Lakers plenty to do to keep things interesting on the inside.

Especially because it's Ron Artest.

Everything from the challenge of integrating his game into the triangle offense, to the question of how to keep the ball moving with him on the court, to the inevitable randomness and quirkiness that follows him everywhere he goes — all of these things, and more, will serve to keep this season plenty interesting for the Lakers.

It will also present a new challenge. They are a different team now, with a somewhat different look. Can this team be as good as the last team was? Can this team accomplish the same thing? Can they change things up and still win it all — are they that good? These are the questions that will keep the Lakers going.

And of course, having Kobe Bryant cracking the whip and imparting his insatiable desire to win another ring, always another ring, certainly won't hurt.


Andrew Bynum — Again


I know we said the same thing last year: Andrew Bynum will change things. That didn't really pan out. He looked set to become something between a very good center and a dominant force in the paint, and then he once again suffered a major injury.

In the playoffs, he was almost a non-factor. Credit to him for recognizing that he would not be the dominant force he may have at one point hoped he could be, and willingly accepting his role as enforcer and relief defender. In that regard, he had some important moments. But he was expected to be a "deciding factor" this time around, and he simply was not that, or anything close to it.

So let's do this with qualifications this time around. Let's make it clear that this is not something we, as Lakers fans, are counting on. It is not something we're expecting, and not something we're relying on. We do not see the Lakers championship hopes as hinging on Bynum this time around. But we do still see a significant possibility for him to finally become the strong post presence he has shown the potential to be.

He takes some time to get going. He took most of 2008 to heal, and came back supposedly in full health to start the 2008-09 season, but he still took until January to really get going. Expect the same thing this year. He didn't really get going very much in the playoffs; he also struggled with foul trouble.

But if Andrew Bynum can remain healthy, and if he can learn from his experiences in this postseason (and perhaps receive a bit more leniency from the officials the second time around), then it is very possible that come May, he may be that strong post presence we've wanted him to be. And if that happens, he will be playing with Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest, and Derek Fisher. That would be the biggest, strongest, most talented, most dominant and indefensible team in the NBA. (Sidenote: It would also put Gasol at the power forward spot, where he would be an even better defender than he is at center.)

At this point, don't bet your pretty penny on it — but if it should come to pass, and Andrew Bynum can become a big time contributor for the Lakers in 2010, these Lakers will become significantly better than they were in the 2009 Playoffs, where they essentially played without him. And the rest of the league will be in big, big trouble.


Built to Dominate


These are your Lakers. They were one of the greatest NBA teams I have ever seen in June 2009, and they have an entire season to build on that. They've learned to play at a level that few teams can even touch, and I believe they can get back there when they want or need to. They face new challenges, which will keep them from getting complacent. They have also made some major changes of their own, which will keep things interesting and keep them engaged — and ultimately, in my opinion, make them better than they were before. And on top of all of this, they still have room for improvement, room for a few things that went wrong this year to go right next year. They've shown that they can not only win, but win in dominant fashion, in the face of setbacks that would take most teams out of the running. If a couple of those setbacks (such as Andrew Bynum's injury) resolve themselves, I can't see any team stopping them.

In the end, looking at this team, they just have that "feel." They feel like a team capable of just destroying everything in its path. They feel like a team with all of the talent and ability they had last year, but with added confidence, strength, and toughness. As always, for today at least, Kelly Dwyer summed it up best:

And last year? Boy, I had fun. And I loved those Boston Celtics. But you never got a [sense] that they were in it for much more than 2008, and possibly 2009. Turns out, the former was right.

These Lakers? They look set to dominate. And that, to me, is never a bad thing when the basketball is good. And with these Lakers, the basketball is so, so good.

Indeed, the Lakers look set to dominate. With a rested Kobe Bryant for the first time in two years and a very strong starting cast that is now fully confident in what they are capable of, I feel confident in expecting at least a couple more championships in the near future for these Kobe-led Lakers. Who knows? Maybe even another three-peat...

As my dad would say:  Pay attention, Josh folks — we're watching a dynasty in the making, right in front of our very eyes.

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Awesome write-up Josh

Getting me amped for next season!

I will miss Ariza and I really hope he’s successful wherever he goes. It’s too bad for him that he won’t get to be a part of this team in the next coming years. If he goes to the Cavs though, I’ll hate him!

The 2009 Lakers WERE amazing. I never really agree with Hollinger, but he ranks them as #9 of ALL TIME championship teams. The best team in a decade and the best Jackson coached Lakers team ever. Can’t argue with him. +166 scoring margin through the playoffs? Seventh all time.

Next season is looking good and I’m praying for three things:

1) Ron Artest fits chemically with the team. I hope he gets along with everyone. I hope he acts a leader to the young guys, but doesn’t dominate them; that’s Kobe’s job. I hope he sets the tone for the team on defense. I hope he adjusts his offensive game over the course of the season to let the offense work through Kobe and Pau, while still aggressively exploiting match-ups on the post when he can. I hope his hunger for a ring fuels the rest of the team.

2) The Laker fire re-ignites. Kobe got his ring. He wanted it bad. Does he want the fifth JUST as bad? He may say he does, but I won’t believe it ’till I see it. This team wants to go out and defend its title, but this year there is no sting of disappointment nipping them in the butt. Even before KG went down, we all saw that Boston was lacking that fire in their eyes that they had two seasons ago and they were a lesser team because of it. Can the Lakers find the drive? We can only wait and see.

3) Everyone stays healthy. I hope Andrew Bynum plays all 82 games. I hope Kobe’s hand is okay. I hope Luke’s ankles don’t get broken too often. I hope Shaq stays on a roll from last year and plays better than people expect. I hope KGs knee fully recovers and he returns to all-star form. I hope Yao is at some point able to return from his injury. I hope the Spurs big 3 stays healthy for at least, say, 5 games straight :). Basically I hope everyone is playing at the highest level possible so that when the Lakers win, its an even sweeter victory.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 12:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Kobe want #5 as bad if not more than 4.

5 sets him apart from Shaq and really puts him in the Magic and Mike category. Kobe is chasing legacy. Four is just a step closer to what he really wants. To truly be considered the top 1 or 2 players ever.

There’s blood in the water.

by wondahbap on Jul 7, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

I waited a whole hour to comment on this. Ah well, maintenance must be done!

I, for one, seriously hope for a dynasty. And not only to call my Lakers a three-peat champion again. I sincerely have hopes for a Cavs-Lakers matchup in next years Finals, to finally settle all of the Lebron-Kobe-Shaq storylines. The year after that, I think we all will need to finish this three-peat off with what we, as Lakers fans, REALLY want. Revenge against Boston. Sure they will be older then, and not the same team that beat us. But turn about is fair play in my book. They took us down when we were at our weakest of these championship contending teams.

Finally, I whole-heartedly agree on the Bynum bits. I feel he is “possibly” a future All-Star. I will never see him as one of the all time greats, not without drastic improvement in a number of areas. But if we can just get him a full season, without any injury, and plenty of encouragement from all sides, maybe one day we can send him to the All-Star game because he deserves it, and not because he’s one of the last true centers left in the NBA.

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 7, 2009 1:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Boston please!

Revenge is sweet, and this is probably close to Boston’s last chance. Even if we get Cleveland, Lebron is gonna get all sorts of excuses made for him when they lose.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Lebron can wait till the year after. Boston’s time frame is shorter.

by Nostance on Jul 7, 2009 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaq might not be there after this season

This literally feels like a “Championship or Bust” season for the Cavaliers coming up. Shaq’s a FA. Lebron will be. So will Big Z.

"The problem actually is that PER is a extra-long, double high wagon load of horse crap." - timbo (7/3/09)

by tandur on Jul 7, 2009 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lebron will be playing

whichever team he’s going to in 2010 will probably find him a decent supporting cast.

by Nostance on Jul 7, 2009 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about this one, I think it’s a little presumptuous to already call it a dynasty or even expect one. I hope you are right though.

As usual though, great write-up Josh.

by shoothoop on Jul 7, 2009 1:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And I really hope Bynum becomes what he showed he was capable of in January before he went down with the injury (It was January right?). I think, to start off the season, Bynum will still be rusty, much like last season. Then he will start to gain momentum. I hope so. I’m keeping my fingers crossed on that one. I hope he strengthens his knee and gains a real “go-to move” for himself. He has shown a lot of offensive fire power already so hopefully he will work to refine those skills. Drew is also working on his jumper too, I just hope he doesnt get tooo jumper happy like he showed in the playoffs. Sometimes he settled for the jumper too often instead of getting deeper into the paint and going in for the higher percentage shot. I just want him to rehab and get his explosiveness back because during the playoffs you could tell he came back to early, and was not as explosive as before.

Bynum also has said him and Dwight are hopeful they’ll be able to train together in the off-season, since I believe they have trainers near each other (homes next to each other? don’t quite remember). Dwight said he’d show him some ways to gain some muscle and add some bulk, so hopefully Dwight and Drew will both follow through with their plans.

by shoothoop on Jul 7, 2009 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dwight is just too nice

Strength & Honor
16...15...14...13...12...11...10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, but Josh makes very valid points.

There’s nothing wrong with expecting a dynasty because, as Josh says, all signs point that way. This team is about as talented as you can get, not too old, and disciplined both offensively and defensively. I guess the only “dynasty” factor might be coaching, which will probably change after next season.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh forgot, we also have a very very good and rich front office.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, but if this bunch doesn’t work out then there wont be any room to resign anyone because the lakers already used their mle and biannual exception. that means if someone doesn’t pan out barring a huge trade to get them under the salary cap they will be stuck with the guys they have right now.

by shoothoop on Jul 7, 2009 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we'll have some good trade material.

Maybe if Artest REALLY doesn’t work out, we can trade him because he’s dirt cheap and lots of teams would love that. Lamar Odom will have a nice contract that teams would love. Vujacic will have an expiring contract this season (I think? or is it next) as will Morrison.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with that option is that Ariza is now gone, and he’s the second best fit for that spot!

The greatest trick god ever pulled was convincing you he is real.

by decemberjazz on Jul 11, 2009 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sasha’s contract isn’t expiring, he still has 2 more seasons left on his.

The only expiring contracts are Morrison, Mbenga, Farmar, Powell, and Fisher. I don’t think we would trade Fisher though so he can’t be considered “trade bait”

by intuitive on Jul 11, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course it's presumptuous

But that is the case ANY time you predict a dynasty. As far as I’m concerned, with these Lakers, as dominant as they were, and coming off of winning an NBA championship while seeming to be in it for a longer haul than Boston was — it’s about as non-presumptuous as something like this can get.

But hey, this is what we do, as sports fans. We guess at the future. We imagine what might be. We try to analyze the effects of things we haven’t even yet seen in action. That’s the fun of it! And in that context, I personally think we’ve got plenty of valid reasons to expect a dynasty.

Strength & Honor
16...15...14...13...12...11...10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a championship next year will be sweet (obviously)

but beating boston in the finals is the icing on the cake. it would be so sweet that i’m not even sure i’ll be able to handle it.

by Adamas on Jul 7, 2009 1:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

something i didn't know about Ron

in Portland-Houston last year the subplot was Yao and Tracy (lol) advancing out of the first round for the first time of their careers, but it was also only Ron Artest’s SECOND time out of the first round. Dude’s ready to be a winner ala Pau Gasol.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 1:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Or

The Trailblazers at Portland.

by Charles Y on Jul 7, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we win at least once in Portland during the reg. season this year.

Defending champ swagger!

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking the same things. As much as I enjoyed sweeping Boston & Cleveland and taking 2 of 3 from the Spurs last year. This year, let’s sweep the Blazers & Bobcats just to shut them up.

by lazNirv on Jul 7, 2009 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not happening.

by lrh86 on Jul 7, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blazer fan huh?

Let me guess they’re gonna hang a banner in the Rose Garden for beating the Lakers twice up there last year. (I know you probably would have won the championship if it weren’t for those nasty Rockets.)

by lazNirv on Jul 7, 2009 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I just hope we get to see more of this…

and this…

by lrh86 on Jul 7, 2009 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can have all that...

…I’ll take these:

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Ha Ha

Well played

by lrh86 on Jul 7, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes. Well Done Justin N.

Plus Irh86, that second picture must be from the Sunday Jan 4, 2009 game. That was a great game indeed (Lakers 100, Portland 86). Can’t wait to see more just like it.

by lazNirv on Jul 7, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually you won't see any more just like that...

Cause Ariza (in background) is gone. :-(

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 7, 2009 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

once the contracts are signed,

I demand you get over it :P

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BURNED.

Control yourself
Take only what you need from it

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 7, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Control yourself
Take only what you need from it

by PeanutButterSpread on Jul 7, 2009 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I hope this is a dynasty in the making

Lakers are great, they did find that unstoppableness and teams will pay for it, I’m still waiting for Lamar to sign before I place this team anywhere close to the finals but I do feel they very strongly that there is a 100% chance we will repeat.

There are basic Fundamentals that are needed to move forward in this game. Always keep your guard up at all times to avoid being caught in a trap. Overcome the fouls that will be commited against you REBOUND AND PRESS ON. ADJUST to the LimeLight: ALL-STAR PLAYERS ARE ALWAYS THE CENTER OF ATTENTION. Know what your role is and play your position. Find a game plan and execute it. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET OUT OF THE GAME WHAT YOU PUT INTO IT.

by BrittneyM on Jul 7, 2009 2:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

You know what they say: Phil’s championships come in 3-peats.

by chrisbeomsuh on Jul 7, 2009 6:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

When Bynum was healthy

he was an absolute beast. I hated the fact that he was getting bagged on during the Playoffs. In the past 2 years, it took 20-25 games for him to really find his groove. Which was dominant when he did. He came back 2 games before the Playoffs and had to find his game i the most crucial time of the season, when there is no time to be patient with him.

He’ll come back with a force. So, just like last year. We’ll have 2 major additions to what is already the BEST team in the NBA.

by wondahbap on Jul 7, 2009 7:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bynum's Knees

Hey Wodahbap,

I’m just worried about Bynum having 3 knee surgeries. (High school and the last 2) Let’s not call him injury prone, or a slow healer; but 3 on the knee’s for a big body is not good. I’m not saying he is the Sam Bowie of the Lakers, but let’s wait and see if he can play through a full season brother before we set any expectations with AB. I did like his energy with the last game of the finals and the last game against Denver.

by Charles Y on Jul 7, 2009 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s still unproven. he’s yet to play a complete season where he played a significant role in his team’s season outcome. he has to stay healthy, otherwise he will be labeled as injury prone. he needs to toughen up. he needs to change that _ _ _ sy look on his face. he looks soft. he needs to get nasty. grow a beard and an afro. too often he looks lost, scared, or confused.

by chaucer on Jul 7, 2009 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hated that since day one

AB needs to get rid of that confused and scared look.

by xMUx on Jul 9, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you about Bynum wondahbap.

Obviously he’s still got lots to learn and he’ll have plenty of ups and downs but he was really fun to watch in January before he was hurt. In fact I think the game where he really figured it out last year was a game against the Spurs. He held his own just fine against Duncan. Bothered a lot of his shots out rebounded him, scored on him, just looked great. After that he kinda took off until he got hurt.

He is still a lot of unfulfilled potential but when he’s playing well he is already a big load for the other teams to handle. Can’t wait to see him back next season.

Lastly, I think LA fans are spoiled with big men because of Shaq & Kareem and even Wilt. Who knows if Drew can ever reach that level but he’s already getting to be real fun to watch. At least for me.

by lazNirv on Jul 10, 2009 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bynum guarding Howard ,Duncan, and Shaq will be key for us

the only contending team that has a decent pf/c combo is the celtics but besides that if you put your star big man on gasol/bynum the other will sting you.

by KobeisGod on Aug 31, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post it seems JT is finally earning his pay

I’m happy to see you’re son confident in the team’s ability, don’t get me wrong i’m totally behind this team & I think they’re favorites for the title next year. It’s just that i’m still upset about the loss of Ariza and a bit nervous about Ron ‘Crazy Pills’ Artest.

by wayde_316 on Jul 7, 2009 8:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Only the regular season will tell us how that move will pan out

I’m confident — and I also think that if it’s rusty at the start, you gotta give it a couple months… but it’s all speculation until we see it in action. So it’s understandable to be nervous about it.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone who takes a paycut like that means business

I think he’ll fit in well he’ll provide 10 to 15 points a game take the defensive jobs off of Kobe. He’s also in incredible shape so he’ll work well in the triangle. all he wants is a ring.

by KobeisGod on Aug 31, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot relies on Bynum

And him coming back to form, but underneath that cloud caused by his injuries, he posted two straight seasons with a PER above 20. At twenty and twenty-one years of age respectively. You don’t do that unless you legitimately had skills that translated on the court or you were a bit player that put up insanely efficient numbers in limited minutes. Safe to say that Bynum was the former. I’m not going to put a whole lot of stock into his playoff performance mainly because he wasn’t there physically. He had no lift whatsoever, his confidence was shot because Phil had him on a short leash, and his main job became dealing hard fouls to whoever got past our perimeter defense — which was quite often mind you. I expect a much better performance starting next year.

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by Ben R on Jul 7, 2009 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It is funny

I enjoyed the 2008-2009 season but to me the 2008-2009 season was actually more enjoyable. (Especially if you leave out that last series loss to Boston – I know, big if.)

I still remember beating the pre-Shaq Suns on Christmas day with Bynum pounding them inside. Or playing in Utah where Fish would just stroll down the lane and toss it up to Drew for the slam. (OK. I love me some Bynum.) Add on top of that the seamless Pau Gasol transition and it so far exceeded expectations that it was real fun to watch.

With all the high expectations last year it was a big deal when we lost to Sacramento or some of the other scrub teams – even though this year’s team kept its focus more than reasonably expected.

Anyway, I hope you’re right about the dynasty but I won’t disappointed if the Lakers can only win titles in 4 of the next 5 years. :-)

PS. Stay humble my friends.

by lazNirv on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Crap. . .

I meant to say “the 2007-2008 season was actually more enjoyable”

by lazNirv on Jul 7, 2009 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

4 titles in 5 years = dynasty.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hell 3 in 5 years = dynasty

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

It was a weak attempt at humor.

I actually would be happy with re-signing Lamar Odom, everyone back healthy and at least one more title before Kobe hangs ’em up.

by lazNirv on Jul 7, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm.... does nobody remember

That Bynum and Howard are going to be working out / practicing together this summer?

This also means that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Patrick Ewing (coaches for Bynum and Howard, respectively) will most likely be working with BOTH of these young true-centers – who knows, maybe we’ll see Bynum with Howard’s aggressiveness and Howard with some more moves then a Dunk next year.

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by STREAKINGLIGHTS on Jul 7, 2009 12:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Kareem doesn't work with Bynum over the summer

Unless Bynum goes to L.A.

When he is elsewhere, as he will be this summer, Bynum brings in others to work with him. Kareem works with him more during the year.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah you're right

BUTTT they (howard/bynum) are working together in Atlanta for the summer…

so hopefully things will turn out well for Bynum & the Lakers ? :D

EH

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by STREAKINGLIGHTS on Jul 7, 2009 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think Kareem and Ewing would be working with Dwight and Drew. Its probably more of a personal just Dwight and Drew working out, playing some 1-on-1, etc.

by intuitive on Jul 7, 2009 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/07/07/kobe-bryants-fox-interview-to-reveal-he-used-title-without-shaq/

But more importantly, at least to me, was Kobe’s response to Fox’s question about how it feels to win a title without The Big Aristotle.

“It wasn’t even whether or not I could win one without him. It’s people saying that I can’t win one without him. And I use that as fuel, as motivation to push me and push me until we eventually won it.”

by intuitive on Jul 7, 2009 3:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Your pieces are friggin' long :-)

Gotta go microwave some popcorn before I sit down and read this baby. I’m sure it’s a great read, as always.

by Snoopy2006 on Jul 7, 2009 4:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

this was an incredibly long article; as a result, i didn’t read it. one thing that jumped out right away, however, is that i disagree with stating the lakers dominated the finals. obviously the lakers lost just once, but two of the games they won were in overtime—and what if lee made the layup? the only game in which the lakers truly dominated from start to finish was game 1. even game 5—which the final score suggested a blowout—was not a dominating performance by the lakers. they were down at the half. it was a dominating performance in the second half, but not for the entire game. so basically, i’d say the lakers dominated for a game and a half. aside from that, i think it was a thrilling series; one of the better one’s i’ve seen in recent years.

by chaucer on Jul 7, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

lol...

you can’t read a sentence and then respond to it! He addressed all those points.

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

by Justin N. on Jul 7, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

“you can’t read a sentence and then respond to it! He addressed all those points.”

Sure you can………..you just look stupid. Just ask a Blazer fan.

P.S. Not picking on you Chaucer, just bustin’ a few balls.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 7, 2009 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol i didnt have time to read the entire article, i will later. not the first time josh says it was a dominating victory by the lakers. i;ll read up to see his explanation, because given the definition of domination, i have to say i don’t agree.

by chaucer on Jul 7, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A win is a win is a win

And I’m sorry, but any time you win the Finals in 5 games, it was a dominant performance. Especially putting up those kinds of offensive numbers against the league’s best defense, and at the same time frustrating an offense no one else had really figured out. That’s dominant enough for me.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post Josh............long, but nice.

BTW, how come in person you don’t talk much, but you type like you get paid by the word, LOL….

Anyway I agree about the fact that it’s not too early to be talking about a dynasty. After all, that’s what we do. The truth is that if you throw out all of the uncontrollable variables (injuries, bad luck, refereeing, etc), we will be the favorites again. All of your points, especially about the Lakers roadblocks along the way, are valid. People focus too damn much on what they can’t control and not enough on what they can. In 2009-2010 we will have, in no particular order; arguably the best coaching staff, the best player, the best perimeter defense, the tallest and most talented front line, the deepest team, the most momentum, and the freshest championship pedigree.

Also, Crazy Pills notwithstanding, a team core that is getting very familiar with each other.

Since I don’t focus on what is uncontrollable, I expect a great season.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 7, 2009 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, nicely put

That’s some good perspective, right there!

As to your question… I dunno. Not really that talkative, in person, until something gets me going. (Then, look out.)

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

a few beers, maybe? lol that usually gets a lot of people going.,

by chaucer on Jul 7, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True that

And I’d be no exception.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

deepest team???

if our bench plays like last year i don’t know about having the deepest team,san antonio had a great offseason in terms of bench, Boston’s bench is pretty good too everything else is true and as for ron-ron he’ll be fine with kobe and Phil as leaders who artest has respect for and his old friend Lamar i think he’ll stay out of trouble with little-no issues

by KobeisGod on Aug 31, 2009 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

we are definitely a dynasty in the making. i predict we will win the title next year again. perhaps even two or three years straight. we are the best team in the league, and we are young. we are entering our prime—at least our key players are.

by chaucer on Jul 7, 2009 10:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I’d say we are IN our prime… close enough, though.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 7, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Possible Back-to-Back NBA Title?

The Lakers are definitely headed for a possible back-to-back NBA title if four factors happen:
     1. Lamar Odom re-signs a new contract.
     2. Bynum can stay focused and healthy.
     3. Gasol can gain more muscle by hitting the weight room.
     4. Ron Artest can gel with the team.

Getting Odom to re-sign should be Buss’ and Kupchak’s top priority. Odom was one of the key factors to the Lakers winning a championship. His presence off the bench would provide the Lakers depth at the forward and center positions, especially in giving rest periods for Bynum and Gasol.

As for Andrew Bynum, he would be a dominant force in the NBA next season if he can stay healthy and focused since he is young. Bynum should hit the weight room to gain more muscle so that he can withstand battles within the paint area when needed. The same can be said especially of Pau Gasol.

There have been critics that have said that Gasol is too soft, especially during the finals against the Celtics in 2008, and often times during the 2008-2009 season. If Gasol can hit the weight room more to muscle up so that he too can withstand battles under the rim, then the Lakers would be a dominant force in the paint area that would make other teams shoot from the perimeter, which would be their demise since Ron Artest is a good defender.

If Artest can gel with Jackson’s system, then the Lakers have found a diamond amongst the sea shells. Artest has the muscle as a good defender and is a good shooter from the perimeter 70 percent of the time. His presence gives the Lakers the intimidation factor they need on defense.

I truly believe if these four factors come to pass with everything else falling into play for the Lakers, they have to be dominant contenders for a back-to-back NBA title.

by Sports_Without_Politics on Jul 8, 2009 2:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I am up and watching the replay of the nba playoffs on nba tv

Guess what? I just saw TREVOR ARIZA making another big play!!!

How the eff did we lose this guy?

Am I being paranoid, I can’t take this, why is everyone being so calm about getting Artest?

I think i’ll go hit that bottle of vodka and go back to sleep

by wayde_316 on Jul 8, 2009 6:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How I Learned to Stop Worrying Love the Artest

I realize I have no control over player transactions. I play with the cards I am dealt. When life gives you lemons, make lemon-peel face masks.

Vodka helps, too. It will be okay.

"This is not a game for boys. This is a game for men." - Phil Jackson

by Gils_Keloids on Jul 8, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

When life gives you lemons, make lemon-peel face masks.

haha rec

by intuitive on Jul 8, 2009 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or ask for tequila

Libertarianism is just Anarchy for rich people

by Murcy on Jul 13, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blame Ariza's Agent For Being Too Greedy

Trevor could of fired his agent and re-negotiated his own under-the-cap contract filled with incentives, but decided not to. Oh well, like everything else in life, it’s all about the money. If anything start blaming Ariza’s agent for being too greedy.

by Sports_Without_Politics on Jul 8, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I'm not so sure I'm gonna jump on that bandwagon...

Day 1: Lakers say we’ve got a MLE for ya, if that’s not good enough, shop around.

Day 2: Lakers come to terms with Ron Artest.

To hear Ariza tell the story, there were no negotiations, just a vague invitation for them to test the market and when he turned around he was out the door. The Lakers PRIOR TO THIS clearly had something perking with Artest’s team. It went much, much, much too fast for it to have been otherwise.

See, for example, the story of Ron and Kobe in the shower:

Kobe said that after the Lakers lost game six of the ’08 NBA Finals in Boston by 39 points, he was alone in the shower, just fuming. He heard somebody walk in and assumed it was one of his teammates, or maybe a staff member. Instead, he looked up, and it was Ron Artest (to this day, Kobe has no idea how Artest got into the locker room).

“I want to come help you,” Artest said. “If I can, I’m going to find a way to come to LA and give you the help you need to win a title.”

Source: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/sports/basketball/Ron-Artest-and-Kobe-Bryant-In-The-Shower.html

It’s real trendy just now to blame Ariza’s agent for greed, but all he was doing was due diligence in testing the market for his client. There were no negotiations, no formal contract offer was advanced by Kupchak and turned down. The Lakers went with Plan A, not Plan B, in this situation, I believe. And this forced Ariza’s hand.

Daryl Morey was only too happy to help him out, and got the steal of the FA season for Houston…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 8, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like the time I got a new girlfriend

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by Gils_Keloids on Jul 8, 2009 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

huh?

“Day 1: Lakers say we’ve got a MLE for ya, if that’s not good enough, shop around.”

“Day 2: Lakers come to terms with Ron Artest.”

How about Day 1.5? That’s when his agent told the press;

“I had a long conversation with Mitch, and I don’t think it’s going anywhere,” agent David Lee said. “I think I’m being optimistic when I say it’s not going anywhere.”

“Asked if he could envision Ariza accepting a deal from another team without speaking to the Lakers again, Lee said, “Yes, we have no choice. That’s the position they’ve put us in.”

How exactly were they put in that position? Below is the Lakers position;

“A Lakers source speaking on the condition of anonymity said the offers Ariza has received from other teams are for the $5.6 million mid-level exception.”

“The Lakers are willing to match the other offers on the table for Ariza, according to the source, but they’re not going to overpay simply because it’s their own player.”

Does that sound unreasonable???

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 8, 2009 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not unreasonable, but how do you explain the timing? From "not willing to overpay" to "tossed overboard" in less than 24 hours???

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um.......

I would call it “if we don’t act fast we may end up without a starting Small Forward”. “Apparently Trevor isn’t happy here and Ron Artest is available, better pull the trigger now”.

David Lee bluffed, we called, Trevor loses all his chips, end of story.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 8, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If David Lee says........

“OK, Mitch. We want more, but we will go out and see what is available and come back to you. Trevor wants to stay here, but this is a business and if we can get more we will take it”

Then I think this turns out better. Instead he basically says "We will take an equal offer somewhere else because Trevor feels ‘disrespected’. That’s called a bluff. At least in retrospect considering the fact that now Trevor seems to be in shock.

Well, sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch! You just shot an unarmed man!.......Well, he should have armed himself if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend. – Will Munny

by pslakerfan on Jul 8, 2009 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cap Considerations

Nice post about David Lee, by the way. If it wasn’t for salary cap considerations, the Lakers would of probably paid Ariza between 5 to 7 million. But, his agent was too busy bargaining for more money.

In the end, Ariza will lose out on a possible repeat championship because of Lee. My feeling is that Ariza will be back in a couple years to enforce a dynasty.

by Sports_Without_Politics on Jul 8, 2009 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ariza thanks and god luck in Houston

the reason I’m calm is that we know artest will be a good boy you can read some of our comments above for reasons and if Bynum is healthy game over for the other teams. If you’re worried about no one else making big plays with artest and bynum along with kobe, pau and the rest of the team we’ll be dominating so much we won’t need big plays. last year we were only 1 trevor ariza better than everyone else.

by KobeisGod on Aug 31, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ariza's agent f***ed up...

Ariza was Plan A: With the Los Angeles Laker boldly agreeing to terms with forward Ron Artest, General Manager Mitch Kupchak has landed a player the team has been itching to acquire since he was in Indiana.

The cost was the well-liked Trevor Ariza, who has agreed to sign an MLE deal with the Houston Rockets (~$32.3 million).

A source tells HOOPSWORLD that Kupchak was prepared to give Ariza an offer equivalent to the full MLE but at 10.5% raises, totaling at approximately $33.8 million over five years.

LA’s ceiling might have been a $6 million starting salary for $36 million over five but before negotiations progressed after 9:00pm Pacific on Tuesday night, the source says that Ariza’s agent, David Lee, took a confrontational approach with Kupchak.

Lee wanted a deal in the $50 million range and took offense to the team’s stance that Trevor should test the market first for that level of compensation.

By the next morning, the Lakers were going after Artest in full force with Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom and even Magic Johnson reaching out to the Houston forward.

LA was acknowledging privately that Ariza was going down the path of Ronny Turiaf, a player the team had great affection for and wanted to keep but couldn’t because of economics.

Ariza’s agent ended up settling for significantly less money with the Rockets, at least based on the expectations he presented to Kupchak.

by Prashant Shukla on Jul 8, 2009 11:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's certainly the Leaked Official Lakers Story....

But I still contend that there was probably an Artest negotiation already going on behind the scenes. Things moved too fast and the result was too violent for there not to have been foundations having been previously laid…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 8, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read: "......not to have been foundations previously laid."

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Jul 8, 2009 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lakers dynasty in terms of other contenders...

in order to judge a possible dynasty i feel like u have to look at the other contenders….

the cavs upgraded with shaq. we would have beaten the cavs pretty easily in 2009 if they made it to the finals, this addition simply puts them in the discussion. but now the lakers got better as well (in terms of talent + guarding LBJ). the cavs are somewhat of a threat, but if we re-sign LO and everyone is healthy we would beat them in a 7 game series.

the spurs look to be more healthy and added young richard jefferson. we beat the spurs in 2008 but ginobili was a bit injured. it was a close series, but we didnt have bynum or ariza. now that we have bynum and an upgrade with artest, if the entire spurs team can stay healthy, this is a pretty even matchup in my opinion with their additions.

the nuggets haven’t made any big changes yet…and if they don’t, they won’t be a real contender.

the celtics won the title in 08, but they were pretty unconvincing in doing so, even against LA (except for game 6). they beat us without bynum and ariza, and i feel like if we had those pieces we would have been champions in 08. regardless, they are back to 08 form with KG minus james posey but with a new-and-improved rondo, plus a rasheed wallace. but, bynum+artest>>>wallace, just isolating those pieces, it looks like we would be able to handle them like we didn’t do in 08, because we are MUCH better without the injuries in 08 and the artest addition, and they are marginally better.

the magic have lost turkoglu, gortat, and lee, while they’ve added vince. i think AT BEST they’ve stayed even, and we’ve improved with artest after already beating them pretty easily in the 09 finals. i think we would handle them if things don’t change much.

all in all, i see the order of highest threat to repeat to lowest threat as:
spurs, celtics, cavs, magic, nuggets.

the celtics have a big time player coming back from injury + a new addition, but we didnt have 2 key players when we faced em in 08. if the spurs come back healthy and jefferson is effective, they look scary, but again we beat them in 08 without bynum and ariza and now we’ve upgraded ariza to artest.

the drop-off after that IMO is pretty steep. the cavs and magic are still 1 piece away.

by Prashant Shukla on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

and i realize josh talked about contenders as well...

but i wanted to give a perspective in terms of improvements/declines over the past few years for all the contenders relative to some standard, and the lakers specific playoff wins/losses to the relevant teams.

by Prashant Shukla on Jul 8, 2009 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

but kobe pau, artest, odom, healthy bynum,and fish>old duncan, tp, manu, rj, mcydyess, and whoever their 6 man is. It’s close but in the end it’s LA

by KobeisGod on Aug 31, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ron Artest press conference

Artest in his opening comments: “where’s TMZ?” good line.

“Once again, I’m probably underpaid, but it’s okay . . at the end of the day, if you can’t live with $33M, you can’t live!”

“Kobe has 4 Rings, I have none . . Lamar has 1, I have none . . I want one real bad . . I need one . . . need one man!”

Ron respects Kobe for doing anything to win, but then said “i can’t do anything to win b/c I’ll get suspended!”

“It’s not given that you put me on the team and we’re the No. 1 team” – “I didn’t speak to him (kobe) before I signed”

by intuitive on Jul 8, 2009 1:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

33 millions means we signed him for 5 years, that’s a long time. I don’t like the deal as much anymore

by intuitive on Jul 8, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LAKERS: The hype versus the reality and what that means in regard to a dynasty

i would not even consider them one of the top ten laker championship teams of all time, let alone overall. I think they played good enough to win, not dominate. They simply are not as good as you arehyping them up to be and dont get me wrong they are my team, but i would nver rank them as one of the greatest. They have to prove that. All they did was prove they had jusr ENOUGH to win.
And yes they won 65 games, but not in a manner that doesnt make people question them. Not in a way that makes them the automatic choice to win games. Not with DOMINANCE.

In regard to them coasting through and being challenged, i disagree. Yes, you can and should be challenged in earlier rounds for the finals, but it is still possible for you to be that damm good. It is even more possible to learn your toughness during the regular season. The way i see it. You dont get tough when the post season starts you get tough way beforethat. In the weight room, and during the season. You learn those challenges during the season so you give your team the best chance to win when playoff time comes.

I do believe that they never reached their potential as a team. Amazingly, they still won a title, but their competition was not at top strength either. They didnt have the presence that would dictate to anyone that they could beat you by 60 any day of the week. I think that ability however is forming.

I certainly think with a much greater defensive presence they can begin to dominate. Especially with pau playing in spain. He can toughen up and ron can keep everyone tough and mentally sharp during the season and postseason.

You mentioned that they arent robots and would be drained by june if they brought the A+ game night in and night out. I think that while it is far reaching for them to do that, it certainly is an effort worth giving. I mean, the more they bring the A+ game, the better they are at executing it to perfection. Thats why people liked the shaq era lakers. They had the ability to dominate at will. Though ill admit that they were lazy and complacent at times as these current lakers are, there was no question that they could anihilate you if they wanted to.

People have been waiting for the lakers to BECOME dominant again. People want to see a talented team play like one. People want to see a team blowout another team CONSISTENTLY to show everyone that they are to be feared and that even your best game wont stand a chance against them. A Dynasty ALWAYS has that in them. Its what makes them great.

Only then can they reach true elite status and prove naysayers wrong that they are indeed a force to be reckoned with.

by LEGEND27 on Jul 8, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats why people liked the shaq era lakers. They had the ability to dominate at will. Though ill admit that they were lazy and complacent at times as these current lakers are, there was no question that they could anihilate you if they wanted to.

How is that any better than these Lakers AT ALL?? If anything, the Shaq-Kobe Lakers were MORE complacent, MORE lazy… pretty much all they had was the POTENTIAL to destroy you. Guess what — so do these Lakers. We know this, because they did it more than once, to good teams, even.

You want these Lakers to dominate all the time, but you remember the Shaq Lakers fondly… and they dominated even less. Only when it mattered — which this team can do, as well. That’s just rose colored, revisionist glasses.

Also, blowing out teams consistently isn’t what makes you a dynasty, and it isn’t what makes you great. It’s what makes you the Cavaliers.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 8, 2009 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Tucker, this comment makes me realize why bloggers should limit their comments to their own articles. I liked your blog and also Kelly Dwyer’s praise but I refuse to concede the Western Conference playoffs was anything but a labored cakewalk. And since this is my first post, I have to clarify, I’m a huge Lakers fan.

You can’t possibly compare this team to the Shaq/Kobe Lakers for a very simple reason: The 2000-2001 season. Sweeping Portland, San Antonio and Sacramento during all three of those teams plausible primes was absolutely incredible. That Lakers team lost one game in the Finals to one of the incredible individual performances I’ve ever seen in AI’s Game 1 showcase. A 15-1 record in one of the most top-heavy Western Conferences ever?

In more of a direct response to what you just wrote, that 00-01 team, for example, could be lazier and complacent because they had veterans like Ron Harper and Horace Grant to do so. Even Robert Horry happily split time with Samaki Walker, of all people, during the regular season because he knew that his real time to play started in April. I’ll take our00-01 team up against any single-season greatest team ever simply due to that jaw-dropping playoff run. My proudest moment as a fan.

by Bonzo91 on Aug 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Josh. You need to update it, though – the Spurs got McDyess, and the NBA just got very entertaining.

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by LatinD on Jul 8, 2009 6:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Eh

It was written when it was written. People can take new developments into consideration when reading it in retrospect.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 8, 2009 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, of course. This was my way of telling you, “Hey, something happened to us.” Because I was looking forward to seeing what you thought of our front court depth with McDyess and Haislip in the roster, and how well you think the Spurs match up with the Lakers now.

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by LatinD on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey LatinD, haven’t seen you around in awhile!

I can’t believe you guys got McDyess too… It’s going to be interesting to watch how all the new acquisitions fit with their respective teams. Going to be a fun upcoming season

by intuitive on Jul 8, 2009 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, int. I’ve been reading Josh’s posts, but I haven’t participated much. It’s been a crazy offseason for the Spurs, and keeping up with PTR on its own is nearly impossible.

I agree with you – it’s shaping up to be a crazy season. So far it’s basically an arms race between 5 or 6 teams, 3 in each conference. I can’t wait. Hell, I’m even looking forward to the Summer League for the first time ever, because I need some basketball to tide me over (and 5 Spurs or potential Spurs will be playing, too).

I promise I’ll be around more when the season starts and the game threads take off. :)

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by LatinD on Jul 8, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds good to me. See you around.

by intuitive on Jul 8, 2009 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m actually of the opinion that Spurs will be the clear second best in the West. But at this point, it will take quite a lot to make me believe they could beat the Lakers.

Or, conversely, “quite a little” from the Lakers.

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 8, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW… Who’s the third team? Dallas? They’re making moves, but do you think they’re enough to actually put them in the race?

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by Josh Tucker on Jul 8, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, I was thinking Dallas. Honestly, I think signing Marion is a big mistake (paying so much for Kidd was probably another) and I doubt they’ll contend, but I have to give Cuban props for trying. I honestly don’t expect much from them, which is why I said “5 or 6”.

I do think the Lakers are a bit better right now, mainly based on Bynum’s potential and the Odom/Artest combo – under the assumption that he’ll regain his early season form. However, if Odom somehow leaves Los Angeles, then all bets are off. How’s that looking nowadays?

It’s difficult to know whether the chemistry will be there for the Spurs, or how the promising rookies will pan out. And I’m not sold on Ron learning how to play like Ariza 2.0 and embracing his role in the team. It’s mostly speculation at this point – but that’s what fans do, eh? As I said, I’m mighty glad we’ll get a preview of the 5 kids likely to fill out our roster next season in just a few days.

Oh, and regarding that 5/6 team claim, I keep expecting the Blazers to do something. I’m not sure what, but their draft was blah, and then they tried to add Hedo Turkoglu, which seemed a bit ridiculous to me. I don’t know what they want, but they could be in the race with a good trade or two.

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by LatinD on Jul 8, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that we have Odom

both are gonna be 60+ win teams honestly the spurs are the only team (assuming there’s no changes and everyone’s healthy) that I think could knock off the Lakers

by KobeisGod on Sep 1, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lakers frontline

Out of all the contenders the lakers front line is still the tallest, youngest and most skilled. Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Artest -who can play some power foward. Except for AB they can all handle the ball and pass.

Looking at the other teams front line.

Celtics – KG, Wallace are getting old, Perkins – 1 dimensional
Magic – lost depth from the trade, Howard + undersized Bass, underweighted Lewis
Cavs – old and immobile Shaq + Z, overrated AV – no post moves basically a energy player
Spurs – too old in TD and Dice or too young with Blair/Mahinmi + Bonner ?
Mavs – Dampier/Gortat – enough said only Dirk at PF is relevent here and he is a jump shooter
Blazers – only if Oden improves with Aldridge and the Jazz dont match Milsaps offer this would be the biggest frontline threat.

Lakers front line will dominate this season, with Bynum finally having his breakout year.

by lakers#1 on Jul 12, 2009 8:05 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Re: Lakers Frontline

The Lakers frontline will be impervious in the paint only if Gasol starts to muscle up in the weight room since there have been alot of critics who have said that he has been too soft. I say with Gasol muscling up and with Bynum getting healthy and more experienced, the Lakers will have dominant force in the paint, which would force other teams to perimeter shooting. And, Artest, if he should gel with the team, would be great defensive muscle out in the perimeter as well as in the paint.

Sure, the Lakers frontline will dominate next season if Gasol muscles up and Bynum stays healthy and focused and musles up as well and if Artest gels with the team. Lakers domination will be a dynasty and they will be without a question 2010 NBA Champs again!

by Sports_Without_Politics on Jul 14, 2009 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Lakers Frontline

With a good chance LO might not be back, Gasol definitely needs to muscle up and Bynum has
to step up and earn his 12 mil. If LO doesnt come back and Bynum doesnt step up, Lakers will be
in for a long battle. As I said, I feel Bynum will stay healthy and have his breakout year.

Hope LO comes back, if not all the top contenders improved except the lakers which lose 2 key pieces and gain 1 new volatile player in Artest. LO is the insurance policy, but is it worth 10 mil/yr
for 5 yrs. (thats the lenght LO wants)

by lakers#1 on Jul 14, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

now that LO IS back...

BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK TO BACK UNTIL SOMEONE IMPORTANT LEAVES

by KobeisGod on Aug 31, 2009 10:18 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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